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	<title>Comments on: Antarctica&#8217;s ice story has been put on ice</title>
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		<title>By: vannah</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/08/antarcticas-ice-story-has-been-put-on-ice/#comment-245502</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vannah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NASA knows whats going on and what the problem is]]></description>
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		<title>By: Bart Verheggen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bart Verheggen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Where are the headlines? Where are the press releases? Where is all the attention?&quot;

Where is the context? 

The two authors of the study have an explanation of the context of their findings at RC (guest post): http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/putting-the-recent-antarctic-snowmelt-minimum-into-context/ 

Grumbine also has an informative post, and rightly highlights that
 “there is more than one way for the Antarctic to lose mass.” (http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/10/antarctic-snow-and-ice.html) Note that Tedesco (one of the study’s authors) responded as follows (presumably via email) on Grumbine’s blog (2nd comment): 

“Let me also catch the opportunity to mention that the results of our work have been extremely simplified and not all results have been reported on many blogs. In the paper we do report the lowest melt in the 30-year satellite record this past austral summer but we also examine the causality of the low melt and find that it is related to the belt of westerly winds that encircles Antarctica. These winds are expected to weaken as the ozone hole is projected to recover significantly during the next 25 years and, as a consequence, we expect that temperature increases over Antarctica will become stronger and more widespread.

We also note that our results do not contradict recently published results on surface temperature trends over Antarctica: the time period used for those studies extends back to the 1950&#039;s, well beyond 1980, and the largest temperature increases are found during winter and spring rather than summer, and are generally limited to West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula.” 

It’s an art to stir up conflict where there is none. But what good does it do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where are the headlines? Where are the press releases? Where is all the attention?&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is the context? </p>
<p>The two authors of the study have an explanation of the context of their findings at RC (guest post): <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/putting-the-recent-antarctic-snowmelt-minimum-into-context/" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/putting-the-recent-antarctic-snowmelt-minimum-into-context/</a> </p>
<p>Grumbine also has an informative post, and rightly highlights that<br />
 “there is more than one way for the Antarctic to lose mass.” (<a href="http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/10/antarctic-snow-and-ice.html" rel="nofollow">http://moregrumbinescience.blogspot.com/2009/10/antarctic-snow-and-ice.html</a>) Note that Tedesco (one of the study’s authors) responded as follows (presumably via email) on Grumbine’s blog (2nd comment): </p>
<p>“Let me also catch the opportunity to mention that the results of our work have been extremely simplified and not all results have been reported on many blogs. In the paper we do report the lowest melt in the 30-year satellite record this past austral summer but we also examine the causality of the low melt and find that it is related to the belt of westerly winds that encircles Antarctica. These winds are expected to weaken as the ozone hole is projected to recover significantly during the next 25 years and, as a consequence, we expect that temperature increases over Antarctica will become stronger and more widespread.</p>
<p>We also note that our results do not contradict recently published results on surface temperature trends over Antarctica: the time period used for those studies extends back to the 1950&#8242;s, well beyond 1980, and the largest temperature increases are found during winter and spring rather than summer, and are generally limited to West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula.” </p>
<p>It’s an art to stir up conflict where there is none. But what good does it do?</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/08/antarcticas-ice-story-has-been-put-on-ice/#comment-205408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL039186.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability&lt;/a&gt;

Marco Tedesco
Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, City College of New York, New York, New York, USA

Andrew J. Monaghan
National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, USA
Abstract:
&lt;blockquote&gt;A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008–2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980–2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008–2009 melt season. The 30-year record confirms that significant negative correlations exist at regional and continental scales between austral summer melting and both the ENSO and SAM indices for October–January. In particular, the strongest negative melting anomalies (such as those in 2008 and 2009) are related to amplified large-scale atmospheric forcing when both the SAM and ENSO are in positive phases. Our results suggest that enhanced snowmelt is likely to occur if recent positive summer SAM trends subside in conjunction with the projected recovery of stratospheric ozone levels, with subsequent impacts on ice sheet mass balance and sea level trends.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Received 13 May 2009; accepted 12 August 2009; published 24 September 2009.

Citation: Tedesco, M., and A. J. Monaghan (2009), An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L18502,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009GL039186.shtml" rel="nofollow">An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability</a></p>
<p>Marco Tedesco<br />
Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, City College of New York, New York, New York, USA</p>
<p>Andrew J. Monaghan<br />
National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado, USA<br />
Abstract:</p>
<blockquote><p>A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008–2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980–2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008–2009 melt season. The 30-year record confirms that significant negative correlations exist at regional and continental scales between austral summer melting and both the ENSO and SAM indices for October–January. In particular, the strongest negative melting anomalies (such as those in 2008 and 2009) are related to amplified large-scale atmospheric forcing when both the SAM and ENSO are in positive phases. Our results suggest that enhanced snowmelt is likely to occur if recent positive summer SAM trends subside in conjunction with the projected recovery of stratospheric ozone levels, with subsequent impacts on ice sheet mass balance and sea level trends.</p></blockquote>
<p>Received 13 May 2009; accepted 12 August 2009; published 24 September 2009.</p>
<p>Citation: Tedesco, M., and A. J. Monaghan (2009), An updated Antarctic melt record through 2009 and its linkages to high-latitude and tropical climate variability, Geophys. Res. Lett., 36, L18502,</p>
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		<title>By: Onan the Barbarian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onan the Barbarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 06:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jorge: the amount of energy emitted by radars is absolutely negligible on these scales.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge: the amount of energy emitted by radars is absolutely negligible on these scales.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/08/antarcticas-ice-story-has-been-put-on-ice/#comment-202351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Graeme... I didn&#039;t think it was a cheap shot at all... you were altogether too easy on Steig, et al... And the irony was placed perfectly...
Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme&#8230; I didn&#8217;t think it was a cheap shot at all&#8230; you were altogether too easy on Steig, et al&#8230; And the irony was placed perfectly&#8230;<br />
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a thought ... or TWO!
1.  Is not the glacier on Pine Island sitting over the &quot;ring of fire&quot; volcanic ridge which extends from Sth America??????
2.  Are not BOTH the USA and Russia keeping an eye on each other over the North Pole with &#039;over the horizon radar&#039;??
AND ... just a question .... How do you defrost a frozen steak for a BBQ without leaving it sit out in the air or on a shelf in the fridge? .. pop into microwave for a while on low setting????
And what do the &#039;over the horizon radars &#039; do to the ice they play over [notice that the ice is melting in Greenland .. at high altitude......]
Just trying to get my head around this, as there is very little radar activity ovet the Antarctica!
And remember that we have a Wong in charge of our policy on these matters .. wonder when she will make it wite..
Jorge]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought &#8230; or TWO!<br />
1.  Is not the glacier on Pine Island sitting over the &#8220;ring of fire&#8221; volcanic ridge which extends from Sth America??????<br />
2.  Are not BOTH the USA and Russia keeping an eye on each other over the North Pole with &#8216;over the horizon radar&#8217;??<br />
AND &#8230; just a question &#8230;. How do you defrost a frozen steak for a BBQ without leaving it sit out in the air or on a shelf in the fridge? .. pop into microwave for a while on low setting????<br />
And what do the &#8216;over the horizon radars &#8216; do to the ice they play over [notice that the ice is melting in Greenland .. at high altitude......]<br />
Just trying to get my head around this, as there is very little radar activity ovet the Antarctica!<br />
And remember that we have a Wong in charge of our policy on these matters .. wonder when she will make it wite..<br />
Jorge</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yesterday in Christchurch n.z we had a record coldest air day max temp 6c( STILL TO BE COMFIRMED) .The last coldest october day was in 1987 6.3c as fas as i can tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yesterday in Christchurch n.z we had a record coldest air day max temp 6c( STILL TO BE COMFIRMED) .The last coldest october day was in 1987 6.3c as fas as i can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Rational Debate</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rational Debate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of plate tectonics and going off on a tangent here but hoping someone could enlighten me... I&#039;d always assumed that all planets had plate tectonics just as the Earth does.  A few days ago read that one of the other planets doesn&#039;t (mercury maybe?  don&#039;t recall).   Why would some planets have plate tectonics but not others?  To be very simplistic, I&#039;d thought we basically had them because of the molten core?  

Thanks in advance!

@ Stu (20:26:39) - good point.  I was trying to say that if the headlines were only driven by sensationalism, they&#039;d&#039;ve jumped on this contrary seeming news... but I imagine you&#039;re right, the sheer weight of AGW media would drown out anything contrary at this point.  Just think, tho - the intrepid editor and journalist who dared it might not get much at first, but they&#039;d be opening up a whole new area for all journalists!  ;0)

@ philincalifornia (20:54:49) - yes, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re right.  I&#039;ve wondered a number of times just how much AGW market manip. has been occurring as it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of plate tectonics and going off on a tangent here but hoping someone could enlighten me&#8230; I&#8217;d always assumed that all planets had plate tectonics just as the Earth does.  A few days ago read that one of the other planets doesn&#8217;t (mercury maybe?  don&#8217;t recall).   Why would some planets have plate tectonics but not others?  To be very simplistic, I&#8217;d thought we basically had them because of the molten core?  </p>
<p>Thanks in advance!</p>
<p>@ Stu (20:26:39) &#8211; good point.  I was trying to say that if the headlines were only driven by sensationalism, they&#8217;d've jumped on this contrary seeming news&#8230; but I imagine you&#8217;re right, the sheer weight of AGW media would drown out anything contrary at this point.  Just think, tho &#8211; the intrepid editor and journalist who dared it might not get much at first, but they&#8217;d be opening up a whole new area for all journalists!  ;0)</p>
<p>@ philincalifornia (20:54:49) &#8211; yes, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re right.  I&#8217;ve wondered a number of times just how much AGW market manip. has been occurring as it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 22:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;ET (12:44:03) &quot;Fascinating stuff [...] Do you have a link by chance?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I know of no free/public link to that Sidorenkov paper, but the paper you&#039;ve found is an excellent overview of his work.

What I can share is a result I found &lt;i&gt;with ease&lt;/i&gt; not long after discovering the works of Barkin:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/-LOD_aa_Pr._r.._LNC_Env_MorletPi.png

You will note one discrepancy.  It relates to Earth nutation and I will be endeavoring to identify the source of the asymmetry; I already have a short-list of potential conditioning factors.

Barkin gives a series of clues that liberate investigators of terrestrial oscillations from the oppression of misguided conventional paradigms that have rammed head-on (at full speed) into impenetrable barriers.

For anyone who hasn&#039;t clued in yet: This is serious business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>ET (12:44:03) &#8220;Fascinating stuff [...] Do you have a link by chance?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I know of no free/public link to that Sidorenkov paper, but the paper you&#8217;ve found is an excellent overview of his work.</p>
<p>What I can share is a result I found <i>with ease</i> not long after discovering the works of Barkin:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/-LOD_aa_Pr._r.._LNC_Env_MorletPi.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/-LOD_aa_Pr._r.._LNC_Env_MorletPi.png</a></p>
<p>You will note one discrepancy.  It relates to Earth nutation and I will be endeavoring to identify the source of the asymmetry; I already have a short-list of potential conditioning factors.</p>
<p>Barkin gives a series of clues that liberate investigators of terrestrial oscillations from the oppression of misguided conventional paradigms that have rammed head-on (at full speed) into impenetrable barriers.</p>
<p>For anyone who hasn&#8217;t clued in yet: This is serious business.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ET]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating stuff Paul. &quot;The physics of the Earth&#039;s rotation instabilities&quot;.

Couldn&#039;t find this other paper though.  &quot;The Effect of El-Niño Oscillation on the Exitation of the Chandler Motion of the Earth Pole&quot; Do you have a link by chance?

Thanks, d]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating stuff Paul. &#8220;The physics of the Earth&#8217;s rotation instabilities&#8221;.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t find this other paper though.  &#8220;The Effect of El-Niño Oscillation on the Exitation of the Chandler Motion of the Earth Pole&#8221; Do you have a link by chance?</p>
<p>Thanks, d</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schoneveld</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/08/antarcticas-ice-story-has-been-put-on-ice/#comment-201096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Schoneveld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 11:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Graeme Rodaughan (03:53:33) :

&quot;Hi Chris – Looks like you missed my ironic tone…&quot;

No, I didn&#039;t miss the irony but I thought it was a cheap shot and the irony  misplaced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme Rodaughan (03:53:33) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Hi Chris – Looks like you missed my ironic tone…&#8221;</p>
<p>No, I didn&#8217;t miss the irony but I thought it was a cheap shot and the irony  misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 09:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Ed (20:17:21) &quot;[...] contrast in [...] trends between the two hemispheres is a counter-balancing or dampening effect? [...] They always seem to have opposing trends. Why? Is is that warming trends from solar forcing (or whatever source) are driven from the NH and the departing heat leaves the cold in the SH? Whatever it is, it seems to hold regardless of time period. [...] Any theories?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;See the works of Russian scientists Yu.V. Barkin and N.S. Sidorenkov.&lt;/b&gt;  Particularly for anyone who knows cross-wavelet methods, this could be among the very best climate-literature-reading investments possible.

I have been preparing for the backlash; true environmentalists may find themselves mired in the &lt;i&gt;battle-of-a-lifetime&lt;/i&gt; correcting the climate-alarmist movement.  This task must be pursued with appropriate restraint, but also with due severity; public confidence must not be undermined.  There is not a moment to waste in planning to catch all that will fall; with careful &amp; strategic planning, this is an opportunity to harness the accumulated charge and coax the momentum in a &lt;i&gt;positive&lt;/i&gt; direction.  There is little time to prepare the public for what will come, so this is a call to the very brightest amongst amongst us to be vigilantly on-their-game in preparing, starting &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt;.  Stability can be maintained during the transition if we are &lt;i&gt;prepared in-advance&lt;/i&gt; to gather each loose thread &lt;i&gt;as it unravels&lt;/i&gt;; there is no need for alarmism tomorrow, just as there wasn&#039;t yesterday ...and this isn&#039;t a time for &quot;I told you so&quot; - we have &lt;i&gt;serious&lt;/i&gt; work to do and under the circumstances the most sensible course might be one of austerity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ed (20:17:21) &#8220;[...] contrast in [...] trends between the two hemispheres is a counter-balancing or dampening effect? [...] They always seem to have opposing trends. Why? Is is that warming trends from solar forcing (or whatever source) are driven from the NH and the departing heat leaves the cold in the SH? Whatever it is, it seems to hold regardless of time period. [...] Any theories?&#8221;</i></p>
<p><b>See the works of Russian scientists Yu.V. Barkin and N.S. Sidorenkov.</b>  Particularly for anyone who knows cross-wavelet methods, this could be among the very best climate-literature-reading investments possible.</p>
<p>I have been preparing for the backlash; true environmentalists may find themselves mired in the <i>battle-of-a-lifetime</i> correcting the climate-alarmist movement.  This task must be pursued with appropriate restraint, but also with due severity; public confidence must not be undermined.  There is not a moment to waste in planning to catch all that will fall; with careful &amp; strategic planning, this is an opportunity to harness the accumulated charge and coax the momentum in a <i>positive</i> direction.  There is little time to prepare the public for what will come, so this is a call to the very brightest amongst amongst us to be vigilantly on-their-game in preparing, starting <i>now</i>.  Stability can be maintained during the transition if we are <i>prepared in-advance</i> to gather each loose thread <i>as it unravels</i>; there is no need for alarmism tomorrow, just as there wasn&#8217;t yesterday &#8230;and this isn&#8217;t a time for &#8220;I told you so&#8221; &#8211; we have <i>serious</i> work to do and under the circumstances the most sensible course might be one of austerity.</p>
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		<title>By: bradley13</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bradley13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry about the silence. Give the politicians and their pets 10 years, and the panic will be all about global cooling and the coming ice age. Due, undoubtedly, to human activities, which must be controlled and regulated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry about the silence. Give the politicians and their pets 10 years, and the panic will be all about global cooling and the coming ice age. Due, undoubtedly, to human activities, which must be controlled and regulated.</p>
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		<title>By: philincalifornia</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[philincalifornia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rational Debate (17:31:00) :

All of it relatively short term gain for a very few, regardless of the long term harm to pretty literally everyone in terms of standards of living, productivity, and so on.
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Litigation around manipulation of the stock market could be lots of fun when the markets in question crash.

Revenge is a meal best eaten cold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rational Debate (17:31:00) :</p>
<p>All of it relatively short term gain for a very few, regardless of the long term harm to pretty literally everyone in terms of standards of living, productivity, and so on.<br />
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<p>Litigation around manipulation of the stock market could be lots of fun when the markets in question crash.</p>
<p>Revenge is a meal best eaten cold.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rational Debate,

I think that while any of the headlines you posted above are obviously sensationalistic (and creative ;) enough to merit front page news, they just don&#039;t fit or make sense within the prevailing cultural fears. They probably would have been perfect in the 70s when the big concern was a looming Ice Age, but we have been consistently been sold the story of melting ice and sea level rise.. I imagine the emotional response to these kinds of headlines in today&#039;s world would be primarily a neutral one- they would work as a diffuser of global warming fears but probably wouldn&#039;t carry enough strength on their own to create a fear response. 

The global warming story presented in the media, while ever confused in the details, is still coherent enough in making sure that people are getting the primary message - &#039;global warming is bad, the polar bears are dying, it&#039;s our fault and we need to turn things around&#039;. 

Which makes the lowest melt recorded in the Antarctic completely off message and therefore extremely un-newsworthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rational Debate,</p>
<p>I think that while any of the headlines you posted above are obviously sensationalistic (and creative ;) enough to merit front page news, they just don&#8217;t fit or make sense within the prevailing cultural fears. They probably would have been perfect in the 70s when the big concern was a looming Ice Age, but we have been consistently been sold the story of melting ice and sea level rise.. I imagine the emotional response to these kinds of headlines in today&#8217;s world would be primarily a neutral one- they would work as a diffuser of global warming fears but probably wouldn&#8217;t carry enough strength on their own to create a fear response. </p>
<p>The global warming story presented in the media, while ever confused in the details, is still coherent enough in making sure that people are getting the primary message &#8211; &#8216;global warming is bad, the polar bears are dying, it&#8217;s our fault and we need to turn things around&#8217;. </p>
<p>Which makes the lowest melt recorded in the Antarctic completely off message and therefore extremely un-newsworthy.</p>
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