Highly reminiscent of Tamino’s response to having his snip wiped by Steve McIntyre (along with some other responses on here).

The bad news Pamela is that they’re currently only at stage one. Six more to go:

1. SHOCK & DENIAL-
You will probably react to learning of the loss with numbed disbelief. You may deny the reality of the loss at some level, in order to avoid the pain. Shock provides emotional protection from being overwhelmed all at once. This may last for weeks.

“But I’m just a pot hole….ssooooooo…..okay By!”

This is exactly the type of response I’d expect from someone who doesn’t have a clue. Pure projection. Most people, when they actually know something, provide support for their opinions.

I did and the ‘clueless one’ indicated by her response that she didn’t understand it! I have better things to do with my time than lead someone through the data when they clearly don’t want to understand.

“You really don’t have a clue do you?”

This is exactly the type of response I’d expect from someone who doesn’t have a clue. Pure projection. Most people, when they actually know something, provide support for their opinions.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2007/10/03/nh-sea-ice-loss-its-the-wind-says-nasa/
Arctic Sea ice loss – “it’s the wind” says NASA
(2007)
“Unusual atmospheric conditions set up wind patterns that compressed the sea ice, loaded it into the Transpolar Drift Stream and then sped its flow out of the Arctic,” said Son Nghiem of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory and leader of the study.

http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~igor/research/ice/index.php
Long-term ice variability in arctic marginal seas
(2003)
…Polyakov and Johnson (2000) and Holloway and Sou (2002) using coupled ice-ocean models showed that most ice loss in the recent decades was due to wind forced ice export from the central Arctic.
…Previous studies showed that at time scales of up to decades sea-ice conditions are controlled by changes in the atmospheric circulation pattern. Our study extends this result, suggesting that even at interdecadal time scales winds remain the major contributor to ice-extent variation in the Siberian marginal-ice zone. …dynamical factors (wind or surface currents) are at least of the same order of importance as thermodynamical factors in the Laptev, East Siberian, and Chukchi seas … winds over the Chukchi Sea cannot contribute much to northward advection of ice into the Arctic Ocean … However, northward surface currents fed by Pacific waters entering the Chukchi Sea through Bering Strait provide an effective mechanism of ice transport to the Beaufort Sea.

http://www.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:8080/~igor/research/50yr/index.php
Arctic decadal and interdecadal variability
(2003(?))
The resemblance between variability of the ice thickness (Figure 3b) and the vortivity index ( Figure 3a) is striking, attesting to a close connection between large-scale atmospheric circulation pattern and arctic ice conditions.

http://www.asp.ucar.edu/colloquium/2000/Lectures/holland.html
Variability in Arctic Sea Ice: Causes and Effects
(2001(?))
The ice motion field is primarily wind-driven and causes the removal of ice from the Siberian coast and the transport of ice from the Arctic to the Greenland Sea via Fram Strait. This results in an average net transport of approximately 2800 km3 per year (Aagaard and Carmack, 1989) into the northern North Atlantic.

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/report07/ocean.html
Arctic Report Card 2007 (NOAA)
The circulation of the sea ice cover and ocean surface layer are closely coupled and are primarily wind-driven (Proshutinsky and Johnson, 1997). Data from satellites and drifting buoys indicate that the entire period of 2000-2006 has been characterized by an anticyclonic (clockwise) circulation regime due to a higher sea level atmospheric pressure over the region north of Alaska, relative to the 1948-2005 mean, and the prevalence of anticyclonic winds (Figure O1). Under these conditions, the clockwise circulation pattern in the Beaufort Sea region (the Beaufort Gyre) tends to be relatively strong. Conversely, in the cyclonic regime the clockwise circulation pattern in the Beaufort Sea region weakens, and the flow across the basin, from the Siberian and Russian coasts to Fram Strait (the Transpolar Drift), shifts poleward. The cyclonic pattern dominated during 1989-1996; the anticyclonic pattern has prevailed since 1997. The dominance of the anticyclonic regime during last decade of 1997-2006 is consistent with the Arctic Oscillation (AO) index (Figure A1) which fluctuated about zero indicating a relatively low level of influence from the Atlantic on these Arctic processes (Rigor et al., 2002).

You really don’t have a clue do you?

http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/topstory/20020807seaice.html

And was what he actually said etched into your memory too? He didn’t say ‘WILL’.
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It was the 5 years that was etched in my memory (correctly, I might add).

Go on then, what did he say ? “Might”, “It’s plausible”, “possibly”, “I’m not a scientist, but …”, “count these fingers ..”, “I once got a chemistry set for Christmas, so therefore … “

Gawdamighty, all of these ivory tower groups need a runofthemill weather guy/gal to knock some sense into their heads.

Hey Pamela how about you stop pushing this nonsense that you can’t back up. Your notion of the ice not leaving via the Fram Strait and instead piling up at the pole is fiction. Here’s one of many daily records showing the ice sailing out of the Fram earlier this year:
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn107/Sprintstar400/Drift.png
Currently this year’s North Pole Environmental Observatory is drifting out the Fram at about 0.4º/day.

Old ice is not like old growth forests. Sea ice recycles completely. You won’t be able to get sea ice cores that go back more than a few years (IE 5 to 6 at the most). In addition, sea ice gets jumbled up against itself or land edges. Take a core there and you will get very confused results. The summer melt is a combination of a steeper angle to the Sun and wind. Under the right conditions (primarily a nice strong wind breaking up and directing ice out of the Arctic basin into the Atlantic), the ice melts rapidly as it moves South. It has very little to do with air-born CO2. In a phrase, summer ice melt is not climate-related, it is weather-related. The climate in summer and winter is cold enough for ice to stay. Why doesn’t then? Weather.

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Let’s look at this based on “What has happened to actual sea ice extents” rather than the more typical AGW “Let me tell you what will happen based on my simple theory of ‘The world is getting hotter and everything will melt unless we reduce CO2 levels.’”

Following is based on simply looking at the AMSRE Sea Ice extents plot in today’s WUWT, and a “real analysis” needs to create a 2 month daily average of max sea ice extents and a minimum sea extents – since almost every year, the max extent is really a jagged up-and-down peak, with different years crossing each other several times. (Just taking the single max or min number isn’t accurate enough either.)

Max Sea Ice Extent, from largest to smallest maximum area since 2003. (2002 = ?)

2003
2008
2009 (March & April 2009 set new records, 2008 was a little higher in Feb.)
2004
2005
2007
2006

Minimum Sea Ice Extent, since 2002, from largest to smallest area

2003
2006
2004
2002
2005
2009
2008
2007

Note that global temperatures have been declining slightly through the period, but have changed very little with respect to each year.

Note that the AGW “crisisologists” have NOT defined any specific relationship between global temperature and sea ice extents (either minimum or maximum) that allows any comparision between any particular global climate (assumed or modelled) temperature and sea ice extents. We have only been told that “Everything will melt.” and that “We will see ice-free Arctic Sea’s in xxx year unless more money is paid to the UN/IPCC/third world dictators.”

(Determining that equation might be a useful test of these predictions.)

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Looking at this list, we notice that 2003 was at the top of sea ice maximum extent, and the top of the minimum sea ice extents list.

2007 was near the bottom of the maximum sea ice list, and at the bottom of the minimum sea ice extents.

But 2008 and 2009 set the next highest maximum points, and then came down set the next two lowest sea ice extents.
2005 was relatively high for sea ice maximum, and relatively low for sea ice minimum.
2006 set the lowest sea ice maximum point, but then was near the highest of sea ice minimum extents.

Conclusion?

There is NO consistent observed relation between sea minimum extents one year, and the next year’s sea maximum extent.
There is NO consistent observed relation between between a low sea ice minimum point one year, and the subsequent maximum sea ice point six months later.

The long-proclaimed “albedo effect” of open water heatinig up the world to melt even more ice next year is false.

Thank you for the correction!

“The 2009 melt season ended on Sept. 12th and saw the largest yearly increase in Arctic ice in history! As a matter of fact, the last 2 years rank 1st and 2nd respectively for amount of square kilometers in a single year in Arctic ice increase since records have been kept. 2008 saw a respectable increase of 400,000 KM2 but ranks far behind the record increase of over 600,000 km2 for 2009. Scientists at the Climate Analysis center of the National Climate Center were stunned at the size of the increase and had no explanation for the huge increases despite rising CO2 levels”………………… developing