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	<title>Comments on: Ooops, Dutch Meteorological Institute caught in weather station siting failure &#8211; moved station and told nobody</title>
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		<title>By: RR Kampen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RR Kampen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Alexej Buergin (12:56:09) :

Is our RR Kampen not a Dutch meteorologist? Where is he when he is needed? Can he be prodded to come out of the woods?
(I just hope he does not work at KNMI)

and

 Alexej Buergin (07:59:42) :

Do I understand correctly:

RR Kampen IS a emloyee of KNMI?

And there are THREE different set of records by KNMI at GISS? Why?

And summer 1947 WAS warmer in Holland than anything recent?

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I am no employee of KNMI or any other weather/climate institute, although in 2006 I was close to a job of operational meteorologist at WeatherNews. But I&#039;m into software quality assurance for a company not at all related to weather/climate. Nevertheless I&#039;m &#039;into weather and climate&#039; since I was 11, 31 years ago, have some years university on this subject until I went into mathematics to study (&#039;chaotic&#039;) dynamic systems, am an active participant in the Dutch meteorological community. 

For the sets of de Bilt records at GISS, see explanations by Ben Lankamp.

1947 is still the hottest summer in the Dutch record, though individual summer months July and August carry high records of very recent years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Alexej Buergin (12:56:09) :</p>
<p>Is our RR Kampen not a Dutch meteorologist? Where is he when he is needed? Can he be prodded to come out of the woods?<br />
(I just hope he does not work at KNMI)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p> Alexej Buergin (07:59:42) :</p>
<p>Do I understand correctly:</p>
<p>RR Kampen IS a emloyee of KNMI?</p>
<p>And there are THREE different set of records by KNMI at GISS? Why?</p>
<p>And summer 1947 WAS warmer in Holland than anything recent?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>I am no employee of KNMI or any other weather/climate institute, although in 2006 I was close to a job of operational meteorologist at WeatherNews. But I&#8217;m into software quality assurance for a company not at all related to weather/climate. Nevertheless I&#8217;m &#8216;into weather and climate&#8217; since I was 11, 31 years ago, have some years university on this subject until I went into mathematics to study (&#8216;chaotic&#8217;) dynamic systems, am an active participant in the Dutch meteorological community. </p>
<p>For the sets of de Bilt records at GISS, see explanations by Ben Lankamp.</p>
<p>1947 is still the hottest summer in the Dutch record, though individual summer months July and August carry high records of very recent years.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lankamp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Lankamp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Espen (12:17:30):

Data is available from KNMI in comma-separated format: http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/maandgegevens/datafiles/mndgeg_260_tg.txt
Notification from KNMI with regard to this record: due to possible relocations and changes in observation methodes these records of monthly values are not homogenic.

There is no step change around 1950 in this record, so possibly the 1950 relocation, which Hans already described, is the -only- thing corrected for in the record above. For the rest it is non-homogenized data (according to KNMI). The official homogenized version of the De Bilt record can be found here:

http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/temp_De_Bilt_hom.dat

Source: A.P. van Ulden, The Construction of a Central Netherlands Temperature, KNMI-WR 2009-03, available online: http://www.knmi.nl/publicaties/fulltexts/CNT.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Espen (12:17:30):</p>
<p>Data is available from KNMI in comma-separated format: <a href="http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/maandgegevens/datafiles/mndgeg_260_tg.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/maandgegevens/datafiles/mndgeg_260_tg.txt</a><br />
Notification from KNMI with regard to this record: due to possible relocations and changes in observation methodes these records of monthly values are not homogenic.</p>
<p>There is no step change around 1950 in this record, so possibly the 1950 relocation, which Hans already described, is the -only- thing corrected for in the record above. For the rest it is non-homogenized data (according to KNMI). The official homogenized version of the De Bilt record can be found here:</p>
<p><a href="http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/temp_De_Bilt_hom.dat" rel="nofollow">http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/temp_De_Bilt_hom.dat</a></p>
<p>Source: A.P. van Ulden, The Construction of a Central Netherlands Temperature, KNMI-WR 2009-03, available online: <a href="http://www.knmi.nl/publicaties/fulltexts/CNT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.knmi.nl/publicaties/fulltexts/CNT.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a reader (05:59:18) :
I obtained the long GHCN series from the GISS website, before James Hansen decided to truncate all records at 1880
Full record is still available at KNMI
http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/daggegevens/antieke_wrn/labrijn_ea.zip

A van Engelen and Nellestijn, JW, 1996, Monthly, seasonal and annual means of air temperature in tenths of centigrades in De Bilt, Netherlands, 1706-1995. KNMI report from the Climatological Services Branch 

this maps shows the sites that are used to make the series
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=108455475154621623933.0000011301001df084755

Original source:
A. Labrijn, 1945, Het klimaat van Nederland gedurende de laatste twee en een halve eeuw, Mededelingen en Verhandelingen nr. 49, KNMI publ. 102. (PhD dissertation Utrecht University)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a reader (05:59:18) :<br />
I obtained the long GHCN series from the GISS website, before James Hansen decided to truncate all records at 1880<br />
Full record is still available at KNMI<br />
<a href="http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/daggegevens/antieke_wrn/labrijn_ea.zip" rel="nofollow">http://www.knmi.nl/klimatologie/daggegevens/antieke_wrn/labrijn_ea.zip</a></p>
<p>A van Engelen and Nellestijn, JW, 1996, Monthly, seasonal and annual means of air temperature in tenths of centigrades in De Bilt, Netherlands, 1706-1995. KNMI report from the Climatological Services Branch </p>
<p>this maps shows the sites that are used to make the series<br />
<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;msid=108455475154621623933.0000011301001df084755" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;msid=108455475154621623933.0000011301001df084755</a></p>
<p>Original source:<br />
A. Labrijn, 1945, Het klimaat van Nederland gedurende de laatste twee en een halve eeuw, Mededelingen en Verhandelingen nr. 49, KNMI publ. 102. (PhD dissertation Utrecht University)</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Espen (14:40:12) : 
The climate in Western Europe is remarkably similar as this graph shows from observation points 1400 km apart
http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/europe.htm
I also used these stations to identify the inhomogeneity in the Hohenheim temperature data
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7134#comment-357111

So yes Fichtelberg can be used as a homogeneitytest. Of course if stations are remote, small inhomogeneities can disappear in the noise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Espen (14:40:12) :<br />
The climate in Western Europe is remarkably similar as this graph shows from observation points 1400 km apart<br />
<a href="http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/europe.htm" rel="nofollow">http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/europe.htm</a><br />
I also used these stations to identify the inhomogeneity in the Hohenheim temperature data<br />
<a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7134#comment-357111" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7134#comment-357111</a></p>
<p>So yes Fichtelberg can be used as a homogeneitytest. Of course if stations are remote, small inhomogeneities can disappear in the noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Martian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony,

Several people here have pointed out the errors in the newspaper articles. So for the sake of presenting balanced and objective information, it would be fair to update your post and make clear that the two newspaper articles you quoted are erroneous.

At the very least it should be noted that there is no basis for the statement that there was a “on average half a degree error” at De Bilt. This statement apparently was made up by a reporter who wanted to write a juicy story, and then other reporters eagerly copied it without checking it out themselves.
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REPLY: &lt;/strong&gt;Actually I have something better - the internal report prepared by De bilt that shows the results of a running field experiment on this issue, which I&#039;ll publish soon. - Anthony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>Several people here have pointed out the errors in the newspaper articles. So for the sake of presenting balanced and objective information, it would be fair to update your post and make clear that the two newspaper articles you quoted are erroneous.</p>
<p>At the very least it should be noted that there is no basis for the statement that there was a “on average half a degree error” at De Bilt. This statement apparently was made up by a reporter who wanted to write a juicy story, and then other reporters eagerly copied it without checking it out themselves.<br />
<strong><br />
REPLY: </strong>Actually I have something better &#8211; the internal report prepared by De bilt that shows the results of a running field experiment on this issue, which I&#8217;ll publish soon. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: a reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections Volume 79 page 559 with corrections on page n43, there are records for Utrecht-DeBilt going from 1849-1900.  Later volumes contain the more recent records.  I expect records like these may be the &quot;outdated&quot; or incorrect records, or the source of the multiple versions.

Could one of the knowledgeable commenters from the Netherlands explain how records from that long ago are determined to be outdated or incorrect?  I think this question ties in with requests for raw data recently done at Climate Audit, as I believe GISS and its predecessor agencies as well as Hadley Center all used these Smithsonian Collections as their first resources when building their climate history records.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Smithsonian Miscellaneous Collections Volume 79 page 559 with corrections on page n43, there are records for Utrecht-DeBilt going from 1849-1900.  Later volumes contain the more recent records.  I expect records like these may be the &#8220;outdated&#8221; or incorrect records, or the source of the multiple versions.</p>
<p>Could one of the knowledgeable commenters from the Netherlands explain how records from that long ago are determined to be outdated or incorrect?  I think this question ties in with requests for raw data recently done at Climate Audit, as I believe GISS and its predecessor agencies as well as Hadley Center all used these Smithsonian Collections as their first resources when building their climate history records.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Giss Data not homogenise shows much the same as the series 1,2,3,4 from 1882 - 2009
The homogenised is only from 1963 - 2009 but again follows 1,2,3,4 (1963 to 1970 are similar temps to 2000 to 2005)

So where have you obtained series 5?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giss Data not homogenise shows much the same as the series 1,2,3,4 from 1882 &#8211; 2009<br />
The homogenised is only from 1963 &#8211; 2009 but again follows 1,2,3,4 (1963 to 1970 are similar temps to 2000 to 2005)</p>
<p>So where have you obtained series 5?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Yarber</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Yarber]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to Clint Hotvedt 

[snip]

Moving the sensor out from under the trees and into an open area would not have made the night time temperatures warmer. The trees, like concrete and building walls, would be a heat souce at night and would have warmed the night time readings. That&#039;s why there is a urban heat island effect. You obviously need to stay in school much longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Clint Hotvedt </p>
<p>[snip]</p>
<p>Moving the sensor out from under the trees and into an open area would not have made the night time temperatures warmer. The trees, like concrete and building walls, would be a heat souce at night and would have warmed the night time readings. That&#8217;s why there is a urban heat island effect. You obviously need to stay in school much longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Darwin, at the North centre of the Australia coast, is a bit important when examining El Ninos. The land temperature at Darwin over about 100 years can be found on the Internet and on Bureau of Meteorology products, as adjusted by various parties.

Here is one version (I have applied minor in fills to missing data here and there, not significant in showing the picture, but not reproducible for detailed maths).

Given that all of the data originate from one source (the earliest being labelled BOM CD 1993, it was not a CD but a dowload) it is fair amazing how much variation there is. Plotted are annual averages from daily records.

If you wanted to correlate a climate property with temperature, which curve would you select and why?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/sherro_2008/DARWIN_SPAGHETTI_2.jpg?t=1253928389]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwin, at the North centre of the Australia coast, is a bit important when examining El Ninos. The land temperature at Darwin over about 100 years can be found on the Internet and on Bureau of Meteorology products, as adjusted by various parties.</p>
<p>Here is one version (I have applied minor in fills to missing data here and there, not significant in showing the picture, but not reproducible for detailed maths).</p>
<p>Given that all of the data originate from one source (the earliest being labelled BOM CD 1993, it was not a CD but a dowload) it is fair amazing how much variation there is. Plotted are annual averages from daily records.</p>
<p>If you wanted to correlate a climate property with temperature, which curve would you select and why?</p>
<p><a href="http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/sherro_2008/DARWIN_SPAGHETTI_2.jpg?t=1253928389" rel="nofollow">http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii14/sherro_2008/DARWIN_SPAGHETTI_2.jpg?t=1253928389</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alexej Buergin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexej Buergin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have thought that the US and Western Europe would be where the best measurements of Temperature are made. Not so good, as we now know.

I wonder what Anthony would find if he had the time to look at European WX-stations. And I prefer not to think about what he might find in some other places.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought that the US and Western Europe would be where the best measurements of Temperature are made. Not so good, as we now know.</p>
<p>I wonder what Anthony would find if he had the time to look at European WX-stations. And I prefer not to think about what he might find in some other places.</p>
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		<title>By: Espen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Espen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hans Erren: Thank you for the links! If the 50/51 step is a well known WMO artifact, I&#039;m surprised that it&#039;s not removed in the homogenized GISS records.

Regarding the UHI adjustments in the article you refer to, I&#039;m surprised that one uses remote Fichtelberg to adjust dutch data - the climate of Fichtelberg in Sachsen is obviously very different from the dutch climate, so don&#039;t you introduce a lot of noise that way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans Erren: Thank you for the links! If the 50/51 step is a well known WMO artifact, I&#8217;m surprised that it&#8217;s not removed in the homogenized GISS records.</p>
<p>Regarding the UHI adjustments in the article you refer to, I&#8217;m surprised that one uses remote Fichtelberg to adjust dutch data &#8211; the climate of Fichtelberg in Sachsen is obviously very different from the dutch climate, so don&#8217;t you introduce a lot of noise that way?</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and this interactive google map
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;msid=108455475154621623933.0000011301001df084755&amp;ll=52.100488,5.177125&amp;spn=0.002755,0.007081&amp;t=h&amp;z=17&amp;om=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and this interactive google map<br />
<a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;msid=108455475154621623933.0000011301001df084755&#038;ll=52.100488,5.177125&#038;spn=0.002755,0.007081&#038;t=h&#038;z=17&#038;om=1" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;msid=108455475154621623933.0000011301001df084755&#038;ll=52.100488,5.177125&#038;spn=0.002755,0.007081&#038;t=h&#038;z=17&#038;om=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 1950 step is a well known WMO artifact

Below is the reported well documented move in De Bilt:
http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/debiltlocations.jpg

Compare adjustments to GHCN data by GIS, van Engelen &amp; Nellesein (KNMI) and myself.
http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/debilthomogenisations.gif

http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/homogen.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1950 step is a well known WMO artifact</p>
<p>Below is the reported well documented move in De Bilt:<br />
<a href="http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/debiltlocations.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://members.casema.nl/errenwijlens/co2/debiltlocations.jpg</a></p>
<p>Compare adjustments to GHCN data by GIS, van Engelen &amp; Nellesein (KNMI) and myself.<br />
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		<title>By: Espen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...but what if the step change in 1951 was real?
Uccle actually shows a very similar step change! - but on the other hand, Uccle seems to have gotten an additional station in 1951 too, so they may have introduced a similar error. However, right on the other side of the canal lies Gorleston, which ALSO had a big temperature drop in 1951:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=651034960010&amp;data_set=0&amp;num_neighbors=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;but what if the step change in 1951 was real?<br />
Uccle actually shows a very similar step change! &#8211; but on the other hand, Uccle seems to have gotten an additional station in 1951 too, so they may have introduced a similar error. However, right on the other side of the canal lies Gorleston, which ALSO had a big temperature drop in 1951:<br />
<a href="http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=651034960010&#038;data_set=0&#038;num_neighbors=1" rel="nofollow">http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/gistemp_station.py?id=651034960010&#038;data_set=0&#038;num_neighbors=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Espen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben Lankamp (08:10:50) :
&quot;No adjustments were applied to the official (non-homogenized) KNMI record. The GHCN contains outdated or plain wrong records of De Bilt, of which I have already notified NOAA through the proper channels. Hopefully an update will be made to the GHCN soon.&quot;

The record in http://www.mscha.org/knmi/summer.cgi?station=260&amp;sort=year&amp;month=-1&amp;columns=more does not contain the step change in 1951 which is obvious in the GISS record. And this step change is discussed in http://www.knmi.nl/publications/fulltexts/hisklim7.pdf

To me it looks like the unadjusted GISS record is unadjusted for the 1951 step change because of the station relocation, while the record in http://www.mscha.org/knmi/summer.cgi?station=260&amp;sort=year&amp;month=-1&amp;columns=more is indeed adjusted.

Do you have a direct link to the non-homogenized record you mention above?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Lankamp (08:10:50) :<br />
&#8220;No adjustments were applied to the official (non-homogenized) KNMI record. The GHCN contains outdated or plain wrong records of De Bilt, of which I have already notified NOAA through the proper channels. Hopefully an update will be made to the GHCN soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>The record in <a href="http://www.mscha.org/knmi/summer.cgi?station=260&#038;sort=year&#038;month=-1&#038;columns=more" rel="nofollow">http://www.mscha.org/knmi/summer.cgi?station=260&#038;sort=year&#038;month=-1&#038;columns=more</a> does not contain the step change in 1951 which is obvious in the GISS record. And this step change is discussed in <a href="http://www.knmi.nl/publications/fulltexts/hisklim7.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.knmi.nl/publications/fulltexts/hisklim7.pdf</a></p>
<p>To me it looks like the unadjusted GISS record is unadjusted for the 1951 step change because of the station relocation, while the record in <a href="http://www.mscha.org/knmi/summer.cgi?station=260&#038;sort=year&#038;month=-1&#038;columns=more" rel="nofollow">http://www.mscha.org/knmi/summer.cgi?station=260&#038;sort=year&#038;month=-1&#038;columns=more</a> is indeed adjusted.</p>
<p>Do you have a direct link to the non-homogenized record you mention above?</p>
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