“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill … All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”

The Club of Rome

Oh and of course I forgot this,
“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill … All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself.”

The Club of Rome

http://www.working-minds.com/money.htm

“Nicholson, the former head of sustainability at Newcastle-based Grainger plc, says he was dismissed…”

IMHO, any company that has a ‘head of sustainability’ is wasting the shareholders’ money. Unless, of course, the company is a comedy troupe.

@ Ron de Haan (10:44:02) :

IMHO the “german team” (Schellnhuber, Rahmstorf, Edenhofer, Töpfer, Steiner etc.) must be taken seriously, their influence is great, chancellor Merkel relies on their advice.
A closer look to the conference program i mentioned:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/component/content/article/31

Many of the usual suspects are involved”.

Very Unfortunately.
But don’t tell me, tell it to the Germans.
There are elections going on right now and they have the chance to send Merkel out although I doubt they have any viable alternative.

It’s not an Institute, it’s a Prostitute.

As a libertarian I don’t think we should be meddling in another country’s affairs, but as a friend to many Kurds over the years I can’t argue against their pleasure of being liberated. We really had no choice. Saddam was going to die sooner or later and his regime would have imploded because he had nobody to take over (forget his sons). In the power vacuum that was going to occur, the Kurds would have attempted to liberate themselves which would have triggered off a conflict with the Turks, which then would bring in the Iranians (who would offer support to the Kurds) and then the Syrians. The place was going to erupt between neighbouring countries, divided Iraqi generals, sectarian strife and Islamist actions. Forget about the violence we have seen. It’s nothing compared to what would have happened and then we would have had a war like we haven’t seen for over half a century. We had no choice but to prevent the worst case scenario.

The question is, how come the Left doesn’t mind us taking expensive actions (including selling our liberties) against a climate change hysteria based on bad science but no expensive action against a definite violent scenario that would have engulfed a large portion of the world?

As for Tony Benn, I am glad to hear that he said the science is not settled but his son doesn’t seem to agree and he’s the one in government.

Reply: Let’s try and avoid spinning off into political tangents such as these. ~ ctm

Dodgy Geezer (09:07:50) :
“The greens of the West should please just try asking the rest of the world what all these different peoples want…” — Stefan

A problem with asking is that a typical third-world country (hey, ANY country) will reply ‘Yes Please’ to any attempt to give them carbon cash. Or any other cash. And similarly, they would say ‘Yes Please’ to any offer to bomb, so long as they could define the target as their internal enemies.

What people want and what they need are two different things…

Very true… I don’t know how it could work in practice. At least if the greens could begin by questioning their own assumption that they know what’s best for the world… maybe this is how they get round having to question themselves… merely by offering African countries money, Africans are going to “agree” with the greens. I see now that’s how it works? Greens are looking to buy supporters?

“son of the infamous Marxist Tony Benn who has protested against the liberation of Iraq.”

“Infamous?” Your arguments are discredited by your own predjudice. I also believe we should not have gone into Iraq. And were the million British citizens who protested in Trafalger square also “infamous Marxists?” What business is it of ours to “liberate” another country. Forgive me, but isn’t even the word “liberate” a euphemism for “conquer?” Why don’t we “liberate” Zimbabwe or Burma for that matter?

Tony Benn is actually one of the more sensible people regarding AGW. I once remember a couple of years ago Benn was on the “Any questions” radio talk show. A member of the audience asked a question about man made global warming and why we aren’t doing more to stop it. All the panel members gave the predictable PC comments, except for Benn. He was the only respondent to mention that the science is not settled. He actually said “there’re a number of very serious scientists who do not beleive that man made greenhouse gases are significantly warming the planet.”

IMHO the “german team” (Schellnhuber, Rahmstorf, Edenhofer, Töpfer, Steiner etc.) must be taken seriously, their influence is great, chancellor Merkel relies on their advice.
A closer look to the conference program i mentioned:
http://www.greattransformation.eu/index.php/component/content/article/31

Many of the usual suspects are involved.