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		<title>By: Mitch Chester</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-166077</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch Chester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Imagine...Reducing the Punch of Hurricanes,&quot; published May 22, 2009.
http://sharedemergency.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/imagine-reducing-the-punch-of-hurricanes-2/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Imagine&#8230;Reducing the Punch of Hurricanes,&#8221; published May 22, 2009.<br />
<a href="http://sharedemergency.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/imagine-reducing-the-punch-of-hurricanes-2/" rel="nofollow">http://sharedemergency.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/imagine-reducing-the-punch-of-hurricanes-2/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jankowski</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-160420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Jankowski]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the patent they are seeking for a fence that would fire photons at mosquitos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the patent they are seeking for a fence that would fire photons at mosquitos.</p>
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		<title>By: Before Gore Kneel</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-159070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Before Gore Kneel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill&#039;s new grasping,
Oh Rent Seeking Blue Screen of Death,
Writ large, writ stoopid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8217;s new grasping,<br />
Oh Rent Seeking Blue Screen of Death,<br />
Writ large, writ stoopid.</p>
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		<title>By: TJA</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-159028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and if someone is able have Mr.Gates contact me I will be glad to share my ideas with him because I have been thinking about this ever since the storm destroyed the Gulf Coast some years back&quot;

Let&#039;s just assume you are not joking, for the sake of discussion. Who pays if you steer the hurricane away from New Orleans, and it hits Galveston?

My personal favorite? Glad you asked. We will install wind turbines with giant batteries, and when a hurricane comes, we will reverse the power and turn them into giant fans, shearing off the storm. D&#039;oh! I just gave away my billion dollar idea!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and if someone is able have Mr.Gates contact me I will be glad to share my ideas with him because I have been thinking about this ever since the storm destroyed the Gulf Coast some years back&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just assume you are not joking, for the sake of discussion. Who pays if you steer the hurricane away from New Orleans, and it hits Galveston?</p>
<p>My personal favorite? Glad you asked. We will install wind turbines with giant batteries, and when a hurricane comes, we will reverse the power and turn them into giant fans, shearing off the storm. D&#8217;oh! I just gave away my billion dollar idea!</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana Bones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-159012</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Indiana Bones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray (23:24:10) :

&lt;i&gt;Obviously, you haven’t looked into the two links I put in my comment.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, Ray I did.  Like I said.  About as scary as the melting ice caps and sea level rise.  Those Norwegians really got it in for us.

&lt;i&gt;Reply: ??? Whatzamatta for you? I see nothing upon which comment. ~ charles the moderator&lt;/i&gt;

Holy macaroni Challie... I gotto get more &lt;i&gt;organizized, eh?&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray (23:24:10) :</p>
<p><i>Obviously, you haven’t looked into the two links I put in my comment.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, Ray I did.  Like I said.  About as scary as the melting ice caps and sea level rise.  Those Norwegians really got it in for us.</p>
<p><i>Reply: ??? Whatzamatta for you? I see nothing upon which comment. ~ charles the moderator</i></p>
<p>Holy macaroni Challie&#8230; I gotto get more <i>organizized, eh?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-158833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary Pearse (08:46:51) : 

&quot;From a little drop-out with an idea and a garage for a factory he deserves some respect&quot;.

You are right on the drop-out but wrong on the garage.
I think you confuse Microsoft with Apple here.

Or did they all start in a garage?

Anyhow, I lost my respect using his software.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Pearse (08:46:51) : </p>
<p>&#8220;From a little drop-out with an idea and a garage for a factory he deserves some respect&#8221;.</p>
<p>You are right on the drop-out but wrong on the garage.<br />
I think you confuse Microsoft with Apple here.</p>
<p>Or did they all start in a garage?</p>
<p>Anyhow, I lost my respect using his software.</p>
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		<title>By: ELM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ELM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too have been thinking of ways to power down a hurricane...I don&#039;t think it can be stopped but I do believe that it may be possible to knock some of the punch out of a hurricane....and if someone is able have Mr.Gates contact me I will be glad to share my ideas with him because I have been thinking about this ever since the storm destroyed the Gulf Coast some years back]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have been thinking of ways to power down a hurricane&#8230;I don&#8217;t think it can be stopped but I do believe that it may be possible to knock some of the punch out of a hurricane&#8230;.and if someone is able have Mr.Gates contact me I will be glad to share my ideas with him because I have been thinking about this ever since the storm destroyed the Gulf Coast some years back</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why does Bill not find a way to fish all that disposed plastic out of the oceans.
He would still be &quot;Off Shore&quot; but actually doing something useful with his money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Bill not find a way to fish all that disposed plastic out of the oceans.<br />
He would still be &#8220;Off Shore&#8221; but actually doing something useful with his money.</p>
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		<title>By: TJA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I’ve read that AGW is the majority view among climate scientists”


If thinking about science to you consists of head counting opinions based on press accounts and the *Wikipedia*, fer [explitive deleted], could you please explain why you come here and comment?

We can read the papers too. This argument is not, as it seems to a lot of people who believe in global warming seem to think, about *reading comprehension*, it is about independent *critical thinking*. If you don&#039;t think that is possible, once again, why bother? What can you say that we haven&#039;t heard a million times? A more effective use of your time might be to answer our objections to things like use of Wikipedia as a source, and bringing up a temperature record which this blog has dedicated tremendous effort on the part of a lot of people to either validate or invalidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’ve read that AGW is the majority view among climate scientists”</p>
<p>If thinking about science to you consists of head counting opinions based on press accounts and the *Wikipedia*, fer [explitive deleted], could you please explain why you come here and comment?</p>
<p>We can read the papers too. This argument is not, as it seems to a lot of people who believe in global warming seem to think, about *reading comprehension*, it is about independent *critical thinking*. If you don&#8217;t think that is possible, once again, why bother? What can you say that we haven&#8217;t heard a million times? A more effective use of your time might be to answer our objections to things like use of Wikipedia as a source, and bringing up a temperature record which this blog has dedicated tremendous effort on the part of a lot of people to either validate or invalidate.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Max]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronan (13:00:10) : &quot;I’ve read that AGW is the majority view among climate scientists&quot;

Even if true (and I think that&#039;s changed), this is argumentum ad populum (the head-count argument) a classic form of fallacious logic, proving nothing.  Remember, majority view once held that the planet was 150 million years old, that bleeding was the proper treatment for pneumonia, that the Earth was the center of the universe.  How many times have we all seen the &quot;consensus of experts&quot; suddenly proved wrong, on everything from carcinogenic saccharine to Saddam&#039;s WMD?

I believe you when you say you &quot;look on the near future of humanity and Earth with a distinctly worried eye&quot;.   It may explain your suseptibility to doomsday prophesy.  Myself, I was born with the skepticism that makes a true scientist--if only I had the brains to go with it.

This is a first-rate site.  I hope you&#039;ll visit often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronan (13:00:10) : &#8220;I’ve read that AGW is the majority view among climate scientists&#8221;</p>
<p>Even if true (and I think that&#8217;s changed), this is argumentum ad populum (the head-count argument) a classic form of fallacious logic, proving nothing.  Remember, majority view once held that the planet was 150 million years old, that bleeding was the proper treatment for pneumonia, that the Earth was the center of the universe.  How many times have we all seen the &#8220;consensus of experts&#8221; suddenly proved wrong, on everything from carcinogenic saccharine to Saddam&#8217;s WMD?</p>
<p>I believe you when you say you &#8220;look on the near future of humanity and Earth with a distinctly worried eye&#8221;.   It may explain your suseptibility to doomsday prophesy.  Myself, I was born with the skepticism that makes a true scientist&#8211;if only I had the brains to go with it.</p>
<p>This is a first-rate site.  I hope you&#8217;ll visit often.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Parkyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Parkyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To WestHoustonGeo:  You can&#039;t patent that idea so Gates wouldn&#039;t be interested, however more sensible it is.
To starzmom: The artificial upwellings are the same as for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC), with no pumping back down.  The upwelling is best done in a current, such as across the Yucatan Straits, so that the cold water mixes with the hot water to get lukewarm. 
MC:  During the summer the Yucatan pump line would be keeping the Y-current at spring temps, thereby suppressing sea-surface evaporation downstreat for a week per 10C cooling, or all of the Gulf Coast of Mexico, Texas, and Louisiana.   After that you&#039;d use the ones in the picture above.  What temps do your warm-water fish actually need?  As for oxygen, it&#039;s easy to pump a little air down and blow bubbles in the upcoming cold water.  The high fertilizer value of the cold water will result in more fish, not less.
To D. Cohen:  the thermocline is only a hundred feet thick while the ocean is of course far deeper, so there&#039;s lots of cooling potential.  The sun needs two weeks to re-warm it.
To GuruOfReason:  Most of the rain in the West comes from winter storms, so you want to humidify them with ocean sprayers west of Canada, say, to boost rain downwind.  This would be much more valuable than ocean cooling.  The impending Little Ice Age will render cooling schemes unnecessary, because soon there won&#039;t be a warm Gulf.
GigaWatt solar power sats could be used to strategically deposit heat in key &#039;butterfly effect&#039; parcels a few cubic miles in size, to steer storms as well as strengthen or weaken them.  But first you&#039;d have to follow Shakespeare&#039;s advice about lawyers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To WestHoustonGeo:  You can&#8217;t patent that idea so Gates wouldn&#8217;t be interested, however more sensible it is.<br />
To starzmom: The artificial upwellings are the same as for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC), with no pumping back down.  The upwelling is best done in a current, such as across the Yucatan Straits, so that the cold water mixes with the hot water to get lukewarm.<br />
MC:  During the summer the Yucatan pump line would be keeping the Y-current at spring temps, thereby suppressing sea-surface evaporation downstreat for a week per 10C cooling, or all of the Gulf Coast of Mexico, Texas, and Louisiana.   After that you&#8217;d use the ones in the picture above.  What temps do your warm-water fish actually need?  As for oxygen, it&#8217;s easy to pump a little air down and blow bubbles in the upcoming cold water.  The high fertilizer value of the cold water will result in more fish, not less.<br />
To D. Cohen:  the thermocline is only a hundred feet thick while the ocean is of course far deeper, so there&#8217;s lots of cooling potential.  The sun needs two weeks to re-warm it.<br />
To GuruOfReason:  Most of the rain in the West comes from winter storms, so you want to humidify them with ocean sprayers west of Canada, say, to boost rain downwind.  This would be much more valuable than ocean cooling.  The impending Little Ice Age will render cooling schemes unnecessary, because soon there won&#8217;t be a warm Gulf.<br />
GigaWatt solar power sats could be used to strategically deposit heat in key &#8216;butterfly effect&#8217; parcels a few cubic miles in size, to steer storms as well as strengthen or weaken them.  But first you&#8217;d have to follow Shakespeare&#8217;s advice about lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/12/bill-gates-to-control-hurricanes/#comment-158663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indiana Bones (17:29:35) :

Obviously, you haven&#039;t looked into the two links I put in my comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indiana Bones (17:29:35) :</p>
<p>Obviously, you haven&#8217;t looked into the two links I put in my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Quist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Quist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why cool the water?  One ice-cold quart of water tossed into the air as mist will pull a tremendous amount of heat out of the air before it is warmed up.

Pull bottom water through an insulated pipe to the surface and eject the water say 1000ft into the air.

You don&#039;t have to do this all the time.  You would only need to do it in the area in front of the hurricane that is threatened by a landfall.

I&#039;m not too serious about this, but here is a back of the envelope calculation.

To heat 1Kilo of water 1C. takes 4186 Joules

Energy released through clouds/rain by a Hurricane during 24 hours, 5.2x10^19 Joule.

Too warm up 1000 liters, or one ton of water from say 0C to 26C takes 109 million Joules.

How much ice-cold water would have to be pumped into the air to nullify the energy in a hurricane??  My calculation is 5.5 million tonnes per second...  I might be off somewhere.  But still, that is an enormous amount of water to be pumped into the air...

Maybe we could cool it a little....  But, with these kind of numbers, it all is out of our range.

You would need one gigantic pump for that...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why cool the water?  One ice-cold quart of water tossed into the air as mist will pull a tremendous amount of heat out of the air before it is warmed up.</p>
<p>Pull bottom water through an insulated pipe to the surface and eject the water say 1000ft into the air.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to do this all the time.  You would only need to do it in the area in front of the hurricane that is threatened by a landfall.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not too serious about this, but here is a back of the envelope calculation.</p>
<p>To heat 1Kilo of water 1C. takes 4186 Joules</p>
<p>Energy released through clouds/rain by a Hurricane during 24 hours, 5.2&#215;10^19 Joule.</p>
<p>Too warm up 1000 liters, or one ton of water from say 0C to 26C takes 109 million Joules.</p>
<p>How much ice-cold water would have to be pumped into the air to nullify the energy in a hurricane??  My calculation is 5.5 million tonnes per second&#8230;  I might be off somewhere.  But still, that is an enormous amount of water to be pumped into the air&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe we could cool it a little&#8230;.  But, with these kind of numbers, it all is out of our range.</p>
<p>You would need one gigantic pump for that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Sowell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Sowell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chuck, no, the patent office does not usually require a working model, but can require one when a fundamental principle of physics is violated - such as perpetual motion.   see 35 U.S.C. 114, shown below:

35 U.S.C. 114

&quot;Models, specimens.
The Director [of the Patent Office] may require the applicant to furnish a model of convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his invention.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck, no, the patent office does not usually require a working model, but can require one when a fundamental principle of physics is violated &#8211; such as perpetual motion.   see 35 U.S.C. 114, shown below:</p>
<p>35 U.S.C. 114</p>
<p>&#8220;Models, specimens.<br />
The Director [of the Patent Office] may require the applicant to furnish a model of convenient size to exhibit advantageously the several parts of his invention.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck Bradley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This will be an interesting patent application to follow.  
Does the Patent Office still require a working model?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be an interesting patent application to follow.<br />
Does the Patent Office still require a working model?</p>
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