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		<title>By: Mike McMillan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/11/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-90/#comment-158319</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike McMillan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adam (20:10:38) :&lt;i&gt;
If the US surface station network suffers from so many UHI and siting deficiencies that result in a false warming trend, then why does the UAH satellite data, which should be more representative, have a higher trend than GISS for the US and surrounding regions?&lt;/i&gt;

Artificial adjustments like GISS&#039;s will deviate from reality over time, even to the point of not taking advantage of temporary &quot;favorable&quot; (pro-warming) trends in the actual temperature.  You have to take the bad with the good to avoid being overtly biased.  Just keep your eyes on the prize, so to speak.

If you compare the raw data charts with homogenized temperature charts for many stations, you&#039;ll find the number of sites with pro-warming (overall slope increased) GISS adjustments feels about the same as the number of sites adjusted to show less warming.  There&#039;s no obvious finagling.  Not until you see the average adjustment for the whole system does the warming bias appear.  It&#039;s subtle, but it&#039;s there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam (20:10:38) :<i><br />
If the US surface station network suffers from so many UHI and siting deficiencies that result in a false warming trend, then why does the UAH satellite data, which should be more representative, have a higher trend than GISS for the US and surrounding regions?</i></p>
<p>Artificial adjustments like GISS&#8217;s will deviate from reality over time, even to the point of not taking advantage of temporary &#8220;favorable&#8221; (pro-warming) trends in the actual temperature.  You have to take the bad with the good to avoid being overtly biased.  Just keep your eyes on the prize, so to speak.</p>
<p>If you compare the raw data charts with homogenized temperature charts for many stations, you&#8217;ll find the number of sites with pro-warming (overall slope increased) GISS adjustments feels about the same as the number of sites adjusted to show less warming.  There&#8217;s no obvious finagling.  Not until you see the average adjustment for the whole system does the warming bias appear.  It&#8217;s subtle, but it&#8217;s there.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Adam (16:59:49) :
Charlie,
Those pics are from Bob Tisdale’s blog. Bob did an interesting series comparing UAH to GISSTEMP for different regions.
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-1-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html
If you ‘trust’ the UAH data more than GISS, then you should be much more worried about surface station reliability/coverage in areas of the world other than the US… at least that’s how I interpret Bob’s analysis. Bob’s posts didn’t recieve much attention here, but I suppose that’s understandable given Anthony’s focus on the US stations.&lt;/i&gt;  

Ooohh, not good Adam. How come Bob&#039;s global trend for gisstemp is higher than the UAH trend. someone fudging the data?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Adam (16:59:49) :<br />
Charlie,<br />
Those pics are from Bob Tisdale’s blog. Bob did an interesting series comparing UAH to GISSTEMP for different regions.<br />
<a href="http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html</a><br />
<a href="http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-1-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-1-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html</a><br />
If you ‘trust’ the UAH data more than GISS, then you should be much more worried about surface station reliability/coverage in areas of the world other than the US… at least that’s how I interpret Bob’s analysis. Bob’s posts didn’t recieve much attention here, but I suppose that’s understandable given Anthony’s focus on the US stations.</i>  </p>
<p>Ooohh, not good Adam. How come Bob&#8217;s global trend for gisstemp is higher than the UAH trend. someone fudging the data?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Ramsay</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oliver Ramsay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bill (13:58:55) :

Here’s a little thought

With all this talk of UHI wrecking the temperature record. Surely some actual temperatures recorded in cities must be included, with UHI effect intact.

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If you want an idea of how ambient temperatures in cities have changed over the years, you can keep on taking daily readings, rounding them, averaging them and then adjusting them. Then you&#039;ll have something interesting.
If you get really carried away, you can toss in a random assortment of readings from rural sites and the bilge-water of ocean-going vessels, then you can convince yourself that you know just how warm the air is today, yesterday and in 50 years&#039; time. Furthermore, you will know exactly how it came to be that temperature and you&#039;ll know just how to correct it to your preferred value.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bill (13:58:55) :</p>
<p>Here’s a little thought</p>
<p>With all this talk of UHI wrecking the temperature record. Surely some actual temperatures recorded in cities must be included, with UHI effect intact.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
If you want an idea of how ambient temperatures in cities have changed over the years, you can keep on taking daily readings, rounding them, averaging them and then adjusting them. Then you&#8217;ll have something interesting.<br />
If you get really carried away, you can toss in a random assortment of readings from rural sites and the bilge-water of ocean-going vessels, then you can convince yourself that you know just how warm the air is today, yesterday and in 50 years&#8217; time. Furthermore, you will know exactly how it came to be that temperature and you&#8217;ll know just how to correct it to your preferred value.</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[timetochooseagain (18:45:37)  and others. I produced this plot of CO2 levels (same scales, not normalised) The levels are similar fron NH to SH. The peaks vary in time slightly with much less variation in SH:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6153/co2manysitesch4.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>timetochooseagain (18:45:37)  and others. I produced this plot of CO2 levels (same scales, not normalised) The levels are similar fron NH to SH. The peaks vary in time slightly with much less variation in SH:<br />
<a href="http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6153/co2manysitesch4.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6153/co2manysitesch4.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Gillian Lord (03:33:45) :
How about the CO2 measurements?
To get the 2008 figures in WUWT you need to go to the Archives section at the bottom of the right hand side of the page.
Apparently other places in the world keep CO2 statistics, but the IPCC will only use the Mauna Loa figures. Here in Tasmania they are kept at Cape Grim, but I have not seen them – I’ll make further enquiries.&lt;/em&gt;

You can find them here: http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/csiro/csiro-cgrim.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Gillian Lord (03:33:45) :<br />
How about the CO2 measurements?<br />
To get the 2008 figures in WUWT you need to go to the Archives section at the bottom of the right hand side of the page.<br />
Apparently other places in the world keep CO2 statistics, but the IPCC will only use the Mauna Loa figures. Here in Tasmania they are kept at Cape Grim, but I have not seen them – I’ll make further enquiries.</em></p>
<p>You can find them here: <a href="http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/csiro/csiro-cgrim.html" rel="nofollow">http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/csiro/csiro-cgrim.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: timetochooseagain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[timetochooseagain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about the CO2 measurements? (18:14:08) : No. CO2 is measured at numerous locations all over the world. See this map from Earth System Research Laboratory:
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi_2008.png

A rise is observed similarly everywhere. ESRL also provides global means here:
ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_gl.txt

There is lots one might question about AGW but this really isn&#039;t one of them. And WTR to Beck:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/beck_data.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the CO2 measurements? (18:14:08) : No. CO2 is measured at numerous locations all over the world. See this map from Earth System Research Laboratory:<br />
<a href="http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi_2008.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi_2008.png</a></p>
<p>A rise is observed similarly everywhere. ESRL also provides global means here:<br />
<a href="ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_gl.txt" rel="nofollow">ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_gl.txt</a></p>
<p>There is lots one might question about AGW but this really isn&#8217;t one of them. And WTR to Beck:<br />
<a href="http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/beck_data.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/beck_data.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: How about the CO2 measurements?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[How about the CO2 measurements?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently other places in the world keep CO2 statistics, but the IPCC will only use the Mauna Loa figures...

Please say it ain&#039;t so!  I was afraid that might be the case - so all the AGW stuff is based on a single measuring point, partway down the side of an active volcano?  It truly boggles the mind.  Well... I assume that other locations being measured must be showing fairly similar values?  

Thanks to both Gillian and h.oldeboom -- I&#039;m off to check out your recommendations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently other places in the world keep CO2 statistics, but the IPCC will only use the Mauna Loa figures&#8230;</p>
<p>Please say it ain&#8217;t so!  I was afraid that might be the case &#8211; so all the AGW stuff is based on a single measuring point, partway down the side of an active volcano?  It truly boggles the mind.  Well&#8230; I assume that other locations being measured must be showing fairly similar values?  </p>
<p>Thanks to both Gillian and h.oldeboom &#8212; I&#8217;m off to check out your recommendations.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Charlie, 
Those pics are from Bob Tisdale&#039;s blog.  Bob did an interesting series comparing UAH to GISSTEMP for different regions.  
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html
http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-1-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html
If you &#039;trust&#039; the UAH data more than GISS, then you should be much more worried about surface station reliability/coverage in areas of the world other than the US... at least that&#039;s how I interpret Bob&#039;s analysis.  Bob&#039;s posts didn&#039;t recieve much attention here, but I suppose that&#039;s understandable given Anthony&#039;s focus on the US stations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,<br />
Those pics are from Bob Tisdale&#8217;s blog.  Bob did an interesting series comparing UAH to GISSTEMP for different regions.<br />
<a href="http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-2-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html</a><br />
<a href="http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-1-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html" rel="nofollow">http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/06/part-1-of-comparison-of-gistemp-and-uah.html</a><br />
If you &#8216;trust&#8217; the UAH data more than GISS, then you should be much more worried about surface station reliability/coverage in areas of the world other than the US&#8230; at least that&#8217;s how I interpret Bob&#8217;s analysis.  Bob&#8217;s posts didn&#8217;t recieve much attention here, but I suppose that&#8217;s understandable given Anthony&#8217;s focus on the US stations.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; bill (13:58:55) :

Here’s a little thought

With all this talk of UHI wrecking the temperature record. Surely some actual temperatures recorded in cities must be included, with UHI effect intact.

London is 1580sq km the UK is 224820sq km i.e. London is 0.7% of the total land area of UK Birmingham 0.1%. This deserves to be included as it is part of the environment&lt;/i&gt;

Bill here&#039;s a little counter thought

If you want to include urban areas like London and Birmingham, what about the upland areas in the Scottish Highlands, i.e. the area over 1500 feet?  (This area is of course far greater in areal extent than all the cities and towns in the UK put together).   To my knowledge, apart from Braemar there are no Met. Office stations above 1000 feet.  In winter our temperatures (in Highland Perthshire in the Southern Highlands) are regularly 3 or 4C colder than the Met Office&#039;s forecasts, and regularly 2 or 3 degrees colder than the minimum&#039;s recorded by the nearest official stations at Tyndrum and Bridge of Allan.  And I live next to the River Tay, at only 80m above sea level.   Glen Lyon is usually 3C colder than here, and it is only 15 miles further west.  And  the temperatures  above the tree line (1500 feet) and on the snow fields will typically be even colder.  But as the Met Office network seems to be incapable of recording (and forecasting) these lower temperatures, maybe they are just my imagination. After all, their computer generated forecasts can&#039;t be wrong. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> bill (13:58:55) :</p>
<p>Here’s a little thought</p>
<p>With all this talk of UHI wrecking the temperature record. Surely some actual temperatures recorded in cities must be included, with UHI effect intact.</p>
<p>London is 1580sq km the UK is 224820sq km i.e. London is 0.7% of the total land area of UK Birmingham 0.1%. This deserves to be included as it is part of the environment</i></p>
<p>Bill here&#8217;s a little counter thought</p>
<p>If you want to include urban areas like London and Birmingham, what about the upland areas in the Scottish Highlands, i.e. the area over 1500 feet?  (This area is of course far greater in areal extent than all the cities and towns in the UK put together).   To my knowledge, apart from Braemar there are no Met. Office stations above 1000 feet.  In winter our temperatures (in Highland Perthshire in the Southern Highlands) are regularly 3 or 4C colder than the Met Office&#8217;s forecasts, and regularly 2 or 3 degrees colder than the minimum&#8217;s recorded by the nearest official stations at Tyndrum and Bridge of Allan.  And I live next to the River Tay, at only 80m above sea level.   Glen Lyon is usually 3C colder than here, and it is only 15 miles further west.  And  the temperatures  above the tree line (1500 feet) and on the snow fields will typically be even colder.  But as the Met Office network seems to be incapable of recording (and forecasting) these lower temperatures, maybe they are just my imagination. After all, their computer generated forecasts can&#8217;t be wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: H.R.</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That mounting pole doesn&#039;t look to be Regulation-Spec-Niner-Niner-Aught-Stroke-Zulu standard issue. Looks like a re-mount on a chain link fence post to me.

How many times has the unit been hit? As many times as the rain gage?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That mounting pole doesn&#8217;t look to be Regulation-Spec-Niner-Niner-Aught-Stroke-Zulu standard issue. Looks like a re-mount on a chain link fence post to me.</p>
<p>How many times has the unit been hit? As many times as the rain gage?</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a little thought

With all this talk of UHI wrecking the temperature record. Surely some actual temperatures recorded in cities must be included, with UHI effect intact.

London is 1580sq km the UK is 224820sq km i.e. London is 0.7% of the total land area of UK Birmingham 0.1%.  This deserves to be included as it is part of the environment]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a little thought</p>
<p>With all this talk of UHI wrecking the temperature record. Surely some actual temperatures recorded in cities must be included, with UHI effect intact.</p>
<p>London is 1580sq km the UK is 224820sq km i.e. London is 0.7% of the total land area of UK Birmingham 0.1%.  This deserves to be included as it is part of the environment</p>
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		<title>By: SunSword</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SunSword]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So -- for sites like this -- all that is necessary to drop the temperature recorded should be for someone to go there at night when the parking lot is deserted and quickly paint in a 20 foot in diameter white circle around it. Maybe add a red border around the outside of the circle and paint via a stencil something like &quot;Official NOAA boundary No Parking&quot; in white on the red boundary repeatedly all the way around.

After all, people can do pretty elaborate crop circles over night. Something like this could be done by 3 or 4 people in about an hour. And who could complain? After all, UHI effects are &quot;negligible&quot;, right? So if the sensors suddenly started recording 1 degree F lower (or more) -- who could legitimately complain? And since they don&#039;t bother to actually CHECK all the sites - they couldn&#039;t fiddle and make &quot;adjustments&quot; for quite a while -- and wouldn&#039;t be able to justify them anyway since the amount by which they applied &quot;adjustments&quot; would be the new defacto admission of UHI effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8212; for sites like this &#8212; all that is necessary to drop the temperature recorded should be for someone to go there at night when the parking lot is deserted and quickly paint in a 20 foot in diameter white circle around it. Maybe add a red border around the outside of the circle and paint via a stencil something like &#8220;Official NOAA boundary No Parking&#8221; in white on the red boundary repeatedly all the way around.</p>
<p>After all, people can do pretty elaborate crop circles over night. Something like this could be done by 3 or 4 people in about an hour. And who could complain? After all, UHI effects are &#8220;negligible&#8221;, right? So if the sensors suddenly started recording 1 degree F lower (or more) &#8212; who could legitimately complain? And since they don&#8217;t bother to actually CHECK all the sites &#8211; they couldn&#8217;t fiddle and make &#8220;adjustments&#8221; for quite a while &#8212; and wouldn&#8217;t be able to justify them anyway since the amount by which they applied &#8220;adjustments&#8221; would be the new defacto admission of UHI effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronaldo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronaldo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ralph Ellis:      11:42:07

How right you are.

My old Grammar School physics teacher must be turning in his grave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph Ellis:      11:42:07</p>
<p>How right you are.</p>
<p>My old Grammar School physics teacher must be turning in his grave.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ralph ellis:

What did Prime Minister Blair say?

&quot;Education. Education. Education.&quot;

Meaning that was their first target, I presume.

What he failed to add was:

&quot;If we can destroy that, they will all be stupid enough to put up with us forever.&quot;

Maybe he only added that after the cameras had gone!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ralph ellis:</p>
<p>What did Prime Minister Blair say?</p>
<p>&#8220;Education. Education. Education.&#8221;</p>
<p>Meaning that was their first target, I presume.</p>
<p>What he failed to add was:</p>
<p>&#8220;If we can destroy that, they will all be stupid enough to put up with us forever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe he only added that after the cameras had gone!</p>
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		<title>By: A.Syme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.Syme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 19:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve often wondered if the MMTS is shipped as a kit for installation. If the cable harness for the sensors is of a precut lenght, that would explain why MMST is allways so close to a building. A longer harness would allow installation farther away from heat sources.
Just a thought, anyone have info on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered if the MMTS is shipped as a kit for installation. If the cable harness for the sensors is of a precut lenght, that would explain why MMST is allways so close to a building. A longer harness would allow installation farther away from heat sources.<br />
Just a thought, anyone have info on this?</p>
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