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	<title>Comments on: McIntyre on the NCDC Talking Points Memo</title>
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		<title>By: ohioholic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/mcintyre-on-the-ncdc-talking-points-memo/#comment-152407</link>
		<dc:creator>ohioholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 05:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>evanmjones (16:39:51) : 

Snatch the pebble from my hand, and you are ready to adjust. 

Ah, but do you hear the air conditioning vent at your feet?

I could come up with several more, but I am not sure if you are even referring to this, so I will abate. :)</description>
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<p>Snatch the pebble from my hand, and you are ready to adjust. </p>
<p>Ah, but do you hear the air conditioning vent at your feet?</p>
<p>I could come up with several more, but I am not sure if you are even referring to this, so I will abate. :)</p>
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		<title>By: evanmjones</title>
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		<dc:creator>evanmjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How does one compare the weather in a desert to the weather in a rain forest?&lt;/i&gt;

As best as I can recall it involves walking on rice paper . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How does one compare the weather in a desert to the weather in a rain forest?</i></p>
<p>As best as I can recall it involves walking on rice paper . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Highlander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Highlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this is corrupt.
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How on Earth can ~anyone~ honestly say that averaging all those temperatures will provide =ANY= kind of TRUE assessment?
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Thermal variations between disparate climate areas simply CANNOT be compared, nor &#039;amalgamated&#039; with some idiot whole.
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How does one compare the weather in a desert to the weather in a rain forest?
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The very best which might accomplished is to look at ALL OF THEM SEPARATELY and make an astute observation regarding what&#039;s happening AT EACH OF THOSE locations.
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If one were to analyze a piece of art in the same way those idiots analyze weather, why one would be required to mix all of the colors together to get an &#039;average&#039; of the color of the piece.
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The essence of that would be: Gee, let&#039;s compare the relative color and shade of this piece to that piece ... Talk about tossing out the baby with the bath water!
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Another analogue would be: Dump all of the world&#039;s wines into a bucket each year and make a quality assessment of the whole rather than the unique qualities of each.
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Science? SCHMIANCE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this is corrupt.<br />
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How on Earth can ~anyone~ honestly say that averaging all those temperatures will provide =ANY= kind of TRUE assessment?<br />
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Thermal variations between disparate climate areas simply CANNOT be compared, nor &#8216;amalgamated&#8217; with some idiot whole.<br />
.<br />
How does one compare the weather in a desert to the weather in a rain forest?<br />
.<br />
The very best which might accomplished is to look at ALL OF THEM SEPARATELY and make an astute observation regarding what&#8217;s happening AT EACH OF THOSE locations.<br />
.<br />
If one were to analyze a piece of art in the same way those idiots analyze weather, why one would be required to mix all of the colors together to get an &#8216;average&#8217; of the color of the piece.<br />
.<br />
The essence of that would be: Gee, let&#8217;s compare the relative color and shade of this piece to that piece &#8230; Talk about tossing out the baby with the bath water!<br />
.<br />
Another analogue would be: Dump all of the world&#8217;s wines into a bucket each year and make a quality assessment of the whole rather than the unique qualities of each.<br />
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Science? SCHMIANCE!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE Quote of Week suggestion:  See  http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1980
&lt;blockquote&gt;Hansen tells us that he won&#039;t &quot;joust with jesters&quot;, as presumably he&#039;s too busy adjusting to have time for jousting. We by contrast have lots of time to jest with adjusters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Better A Jester than Adjuster&quot;
Hansen et al 2001 describes:
a) the gist of the adjustment;
b) a jest of an adjustment
c) just an adjustment
d) a joust with a jester
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY: &lt;/strong&gt; LOL!  - A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE Quote of Week suggestion:  See  <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1980" rel="nofollow">http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1980</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hansen tells us that he won&#8217;t &#8220;joust with jesters&#8221;, as presumably he&#8217;s too busy adjusting to have time for jousting. We by contrast have lots of time to jest with adjusters.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Better A Jester than Adjuster&#8221;<br />
Hansen et al 2001 describes:<br />
a) the gist of the adjustment;<br />
b) a jest of an adjustment<br />
c) just an adjustment<br />
d) a joust with a jester
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<p><strong>REPLY: </strong> LOL!  &#8211; A</p>
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		<title>By: Julie KS</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/mcintyre-on-the-ncdc-talking-points-memo/#comment-152225</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in San Antonio too. A swath of South and Central Texas is the only part of the US experiencing Extreme and Exceptional drought, according to these folks:

http://drought.unl.edu/DM/MONITOR.html

It&#039;s still nothing like what my parents and grandparents had to deal with in our drought of record, back in the 50&#039;s (unless this continues).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in San Antonio too. A swath of South and Central Texas is the only part of the US experiencing Extreme and Exceptional drought, according to these folks:</p>
<p><a href="http://drought.unl.edu/DM/MONITOR.html" rel="nofollow">http://drought.unl.edu/DM/MONITOR.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s still nothing like what my parents and grandparents had to deal with in our drought of record, back in the 50&#8217;s (unless this continues).</p>
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		<title>By: chris y</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 20:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re timetochooseagain- you say;

&quot;They have no time to joust with us jesters, but we must jest with these adjusters.&quot;

Just the right lilt and cadence. Cousteau-quality.

I nominate this for quote of the week!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re timetochooseagain- you say;</p>
<p>&#8220;They have no time to joust with us jesters, but we must jest with these adjusters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just the right lilt and cadence. Cousteau-quality.</p>
<p>I nominate this for quote of the week!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember learning how a weather station should be set up in Geography lessons at school when I was 14 years old (25 years ago)....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember learning how a weather station should be set up in Geography lessons at school when I was 14 years old (25 years ago)&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ohioholic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/mcintyre-on-the-ncdc-talking-points-memo/#comment-152092</link>
		<dc:creator>ohioholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;San Antonio.
We just went from stage2 restrictions (sprinklers once a week on your designated day) to stage3 (sprinklers every 2 weeks).
It’s easy to spot the the water wasters – green lawns.&quot;

Ha! I remember the days I spent in the Mojave, on Edwards. You had to have a green lawn per the Air Force regs for property upkeep, but you were only allowed to water once a day either at 6am, or 8pm. You could not tell the water wasters, but you could tell the people who painted the lawns green when it rained. The paint would run off into the street. Base institutions were among the offenders if I remember correctly. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;San Antonio.<br />
We just went from stage2 restrictions (sprinklers once a week on your designated day) to stage3 (sprinklers every 2 weeks).<br />
It’s easy to spot the the water wasters – green lawns.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha! I remember the days I spent in the Mojave, on Edwards. You had to have a green lawn per the Air Force regs for property upkeep, but you were only allowed to water once a day either at 6am, or 8pm. You could not tell the water wasters, but you could tell the people who painted the lawns green when it rained. The paint would run off into the street. Base institutions were among the offenders if I remember correctly. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In spite of Anthony&#039;s spectacular spotlighting of siting issues (and what I politely call institutional negligence), the question remains as to how well the instrumentation and operators perform despite of, or in addition to, the siting issues.

One would expect instrument error (unknown at this time in direction and magnitude) to further degrade the USCHN observation accuracy. And for example, are observers even aware of proper procedures in reading instruments - for example, overcoming parallax error?

I would not even remotely imply that Anthony do anything different than carry-on with his current survey, but everyone should recognize that he will not discover all of the possible errors embedded in the observations.

In short, Anthony&#039;s survey may just expose the tip of the iceberg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In spite of Anthony&#8217;s spectacular spotlighting of siting issues (and what I politely call institutional negligence), the question remains as to how well the instrumentation and operators perform despite of, or in addition to, the siting issues.</p>
<p>One would expect instrument error (unknown at this time in direction and magnitude) to further degrade the USCHN observation accuracy. And for example, are observers even aware of proper procedures in reading instruments &#8211; for example, overcoming parallax error?</p>
<p>I would not even remotely imply that Anthony do anything different than carry-on with his current survey, but everyone should recognize that he will not discover all of the possible errors embedded in the observations.</p>
<p>In short, Anthony&#8217;s survey may just expose the tip of the iceberg.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AKD (07:33:21) : &quot;Where in Texas do you live?&quot;

San Antonio.  
We just went from stage2 restrictions (sprinklers once a week on your designated day) to stage3 (sprinklers every 2 weeks). 
It&#039;s easy to spot the the water wasters - green lawns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AKD (07:33:21) : &#8220;Where in Texas do you live?&#8221;</p>
<p>San Antonio.<br />
We just went from stage2 restrictions (sprinklers once a week on your designated day) to stage3 (sprinklers every 2 weeks).<br />
It&#8217;s easy to spot the the water wasters &#8211; green lawns.</p>
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		<title>By: An Inquirer</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Inquirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Austin, Texas, is finally getting a thunderstorm with a comfortable 73 degree temperature.  I also note that Dallas so far this month has had 6.58 inches of rain compared to a past average of 3.92.  Of course, many parts of Texas is in a severe drought, but the drought is not as widespread as it was in the 1930s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Austin, Texas, is finally getting a thunderstorm with a comfortable 73 degree temperature.  I also note that Dallas so far this month has had 6.58 inches of rain compared to a past average of 3.92.  Of course, many parts of Texas is in a severe drought, but the drought is not as widespread as it was in the 1930s.</p>
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		<title>By: An Inquirer</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Inquirer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom in Texas, I am sure that I will not be the first to point out that 30 years is not a long time in climate history -- in fact, far too short to establish a trend.   The cycle involved in the PDO is at least 60 years, and in the last thirty years, you only have the positive cycle.  The AMO may be a shorter cycle, but to have both PDO and AMO in positive cycles for a couple of decades -- that phenomen probably won&#039;t be repeated for 120 years.  
To have a positive GMT trend from 1980 to 2002 would surprise no one here.  The PDO and AMO are enough to explain it.  Others would point to lagged effect of certain solar phenomena.  Throw in land use changes and UHI, and one may be surprised that the GMT rose so little!  And most observers would not preclude that CO2 and other greenhouse gases can make some contribution, but there is nothing in the real science that conveys a message of catastrophic temperature increases.
Here is an interesting note that I believe gets often overlooked:  According to satellite measurements, oceans are no warmer now than they were in 1980.  Yes, land tempeartures are up as we would expect from land use changes and UHI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom in Texas, I am sure that I will not be the first to point out that 30 years is not a long time in climate history &#8212; in fact, far too short to establish a trend.   The cycle involved in the PDO is at least 60 years, and in the last thirty years, you only have the positive cycle.  The AMO may be a shorter cycle, but to have both PDO and AMO in positive cycles for a couple of decades &#8212; that phenomen probably won&#8217;t be repeated for 120 years.<br />
To have a positive GMT trend from 1980 to 2002 would surprise no one here.  The PDO and AMO are enough to explain it.  Others would point to lagged effect of certain solar phenomena.  Throw in land use changes and UHI, and one may be surprised that the GMT rose so little!  And most observers would not preclude that CO2 and other greenhouse gases can make some contribution, but there is nothing in the real science that conveys a message of catastrophic temperature increases.<br />
Here is an interesting note that I believe gets often overlooked:  According to satellite measurements, oceans are no warmer now than they were in 1980.  Yes, land tempeartures are up as we would expect from land use changes and UHI.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Illis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Illis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Anthony might be interested in this.

If anyone remembers John V&#039;s early look at temperatures from CRN1,2 stations versus CRN3,4,5 and then comparing that to GISS&#039; records, I believe John V and other posters may not have appreciated the problems with using the homogeneity adjusted numbers - like the NOAA above. 

Some of the earliest data John V produced showed a huge difference in just the TOBs-adjusted data between CRN1,2 and the CRN5 stations (using just the TOBs adjustment might be valid but I would prefer to see just the Raw data as well.)

Effectively, the trend differential is 0.6C between CRN1,2 (TOBs only) and CRN5 (TOBs only) from 1900 to 2002 (5 year smoothing).

http://www.opentemp.org/_results/20071002_CRN12R_CRN5_TOBS/temp5yr_1996_2005.png

I still don&#039;t buy that it vindicates GISS&#039; methods - there is still a problem with that analysis.

At some point, we still need to compare the station&#039;s ratings against the Raw and TOBs-only data trends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Anthony might be interested in this.</p>
<p>If anyone remembers John V&#8217;s early look at temperatures from CRN1,2 stations versus CRN3,4,5 and then comparing that to GISS&#8217; records, I believe John V and other posters may not have appreciated the problems with using the homogeneity adjusted numbers &#8211; like the NOAA above. </p>
<p>Some of the earliest data John V produced showed a huge difference in just the TOBs-adjusted data between CRN1,2 and the CRN5 stations (using just the TOBs adjustment might be valid but I would prefer to see just the Raw data as well.)</p>
<p>Effectively, the trend differential is 0.6C between CRN1,2 (TOBs only) and CRN5 (TOBs only) from 1900 to 2002 (5 year smoothing).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opentemp.org/_results/20071002_CRN12R_CRN5_TOBS/temp5yr_1996_2005.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.opentemp.org/_results/20071002_CRN12R_CRN5_TOBS/temp5yr_1996_2005.png</a></p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t buy that it vindicates GISS&#8217; methods &#8211; there is still a problem with that analysis.</p>
<p>At some point, we still need to compare the station&#8217;s ratings against the Raw and TOBs-only data trends.</p>
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		<title>By: AKD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tom in Texas (20:41:04) :
Don’t the models say the SW U.S. will be the canary in the coal mine?
Well they were right on. We’re cooking down here – 103°F again today.
Forecast is for 50% chance of thunder storms tomorrow.
I’ll believe that when I see it.
My lawn is brown and it hasn’t rained since ‘07.&lt;/b&gt;

Where in Texas do you live?  We had tons of rain (records even set) and cool temperatures in North Cental Texas up through the beginning of June.  I didn&#039;t turn my sprinklers on until a few weeks ago, and my lawn is currently growing out of control with only one watering per week. Nothing unusual in my part of Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tom in Texas (20:41:04) :<br />
Don’t the models say the SW U.S. will be the canary in the coal mine?<br />
Well they were right on. We’re cooking down here – 103°F again today.<br />
Forecast is for 50% chance of thunder storms tomorrow.<br />
I’ll believe that when I see it.<br />
My lawn is brown and it hasn’t rained since ‘07.</b></p>
<p>Where in Texas do you live?  We had tons of rain (records even set) and cool temperatures in North Cental Texas up through the beginning of June.  I didn&#8217;t turn my sprinklers on until a few weeks ago, and my lawn is currently growing out of control with only one watering per week. Nothing unusual in my part of Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tom in Texas (20:41:04) : 
Don’t the models say the SW U.S. will be the canary in the coal mine?
Well they were right on. We’re cooking down here – 103°F again today.
Forecast is for 50% chance of thunder storms tomorrow.
I’ll believe that when I see it.
My lawn is brown and it hasn’t rained since ‘07.&lt;/i&gt;

Expect a Texan to whine.  :~P


Plenty hot in Dallas -- but no chance of a record 

The National Weather Service is talking about high temperatures of 103 today in Dallas and at Dallas-Fort Worth International, not to mention a searing 105 in Waco.

True, those would be the highest temperatures this year -- but 103 still misses the record for the date by 10 degrees.

Back in 1980, the summer that encapsulates all that is hot about the Texas summer, the mercury climbed to 113 on June 26 and repeated the feat the next day. Those two days were the peak of a mind-numbing 11-day run of record-high temperatures that still stand 29 years later. Here are the specifics:

June 23 104
June 24 106
June 25 109
June 26 113
June 27 113
June 28 112
June 29 108
June 30 108
July 1 109
July 2 110
July 3 109</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Tom in Texas (20:41:04) :<br />
Don’t the models say the SW U.S. will be the canary in the coal mine?<br />
Well they were right on. We’re cooking down here – 103°F again today.<br />
Forecast is for 50% chance of thunder storms tomorrow.<br />
I’ll believe that when I see it.<br />
My lawn is brown and it hasn’t rained since ‘07.</i></p>
<p>Expect a Texan to whine.  :~P</p>
<p>Plenty hot in Dallas &#8212; but no chance of a record </p>
<p>The National Weather Service is talking about high temperatures of 103 today in Dallas and at Dallas-Fort Worth International, not to mention a searing 105 in Waco.</p>
<p>True, those would be the highest temperatures this year &#8212; but 103 still misses the record for the date by 10 degrees.</p>
<p>Back in 1980, the summer that encapsulates all that is hot about the Texas summer, the mercury climbed to 113 on June 26 and repeated the feat the next day. Those two days were the peak of a mind-numbing 11-day run of record-high temperatures that still stand 29 years later. Here are the specifics:</p>
<p>June 23 104<br />
June 24 106<br />
June 25 109<br />
June 26 113<br />
June 27 113<br />
June 28 112<br />
June 29 108<br />
June 30 108<br />
July 1 109<br />
July 2 110<br />
July 3 109</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queen1 writes:

&quot;an odd juncture of history where the agenda of the power-brokers is aligned with the world-view of the press. The media won’t tattle on itself.&quot;

Another odd feature is that the pols who are supposed to be running the show see themselves instead as part of a protest movement against the status quo. 

A kind of worldwide vandal-ocracy.

I&#039;m thinking especially about Penny Wong in Aus and Ed Miliband in the UK. Both are cartoonish caricatures of deadbeat student protestors against everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queen1 writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;an odd juncture of history where the agenda of the power-brokers is aligned with the world-view of the press. The media won’t tattle on itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Another odd feature is that the pols who are supposed to be running the show see themselves instead as part of a protest movement against the status quo. </p>
<p>A kind of worldwide vandal-ocracy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking especially about Penny Wong in Aus and Ed Miliband in the UK. Both are cartoonish caricatures of deadbeat student protestors against everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom in Texas (20:41:04) :

&quot;Don’t the models say the SW U.S. will be the canary in the coal mine?

Well they were right on. We’re cooking down here – 103°F again today.&quot;

Well, weather patterns have shifted and the winds bringing moist air in to your area are going elsewhere these last couple of years. You&#039;re hot because you&#039;re dry...not because of CO2. Lower humidity allows for higher temps. Which makes me wonder about that positive water vapor feedback. I mean the more water vapor in the air, the less likely temps are going to skyrocket. Warmer at night, yeah, but during the day?

That AGW thang is full of inconsistencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom in Texas (20:41:04) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Don’t the models say the SW U.S. will be the canary in the coal mine?</p>
<p>Well they were right on. We’re cooking down here – 103°F again today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, weather patterns have shifted and the winds bringing moist air in to your area are going elsewhere these last couple of years. You&#8217;re hot because you&#8217;re dry&#8230;not because of CO2. Lower humidity allows for higher temps. Which makes me wonder about that positive water vapor feedback. I mean the more water vapor in the air, the less likely temps are going to skyrocket. Warmer at night, yeah, but during the day?</p>
<p>That AGW thang is full of inconsistencies.</p>
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		<title>By: old construction worker</title>
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		<dc:creator>old construction worker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what this reminds me of? ?  How our government adjust for “inflation”. Back in the 70’s before cost of living allowance was attached to social security, the rate of   “inflation” was understated by only a few percentage points.  How the real rate of   “inflation” is reflected in the cost of health care. In health care, the government can’t substitute the cost of dog food for the cost of steak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what this reminds me of? ?  How our government adjust for “inflation”. Back in the 70’s before cost of living allowance was attached to social security, the rate of   “inflation” was understated by only a few percentage points.  How the real rate of   “inflation” is reflected in the cost of health care. In health care, the government can’t substitute the cost of dog food for the cost of steak.</p>
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		<title>By: Curiousgeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curiousgeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone needs to seek an injunction against the EPA to prevent them from issuing any regulation regarding CO2.  Any competent lawyer should be able to make a case that it would cause unwarranted financial harm to businesses and individuals with no demonstrable benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to seek an injunction against the EPA to prevent them from issuing any regulation regarding CO2.  Any competent lawyer should be able to make a case that it would cause unwarranted financial harm to businesses and individuals with no demonstrable benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am not an expert on analyzing long term time series physical data. Perhaps analysis of covariance (ANCOVA) can be used on the annual means for the past 30 years.&quot;

30years is long term?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not an expert on analyzing long term time series physical data. Perhaps analysis of covariance (ANCOVA) can be used on the annual means for the past 30 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>30years is long term?</p>
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