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	<title>Comments on: 10.7 solar radio flux, then and now</title>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154438</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vukcevic (06:33:53) :
&lt;i&gt;Since it appears that you have been giving more than passing attention to my formula&lt;/i&gt;
Pseudo-science should be beaten down whenever it rears its ugly head.</description>
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<i>Since it appears that you have been giving more than passing attention to my formula</i><br />
Pseudo-science should be beaten down whenever it rears its ugly head.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154436</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vukcevic (06:33:53) :
&lt;i&gt;I did say I am not competing for the for the Astronomy’s award of the year.&lt;/i&gt;
But you did claim that your formula had predictive power, which it obviously with a fixed period does not. 

&lt;i&gt;Since it appears that you have been giving more than passing attention to my formula&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;
Pseudo-science should be beaten down whenever it rears its ugly head.

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;so not many SS would occur, and they may be hardly visible (LP). &lt;/i&gt;
The L-P effect [if it occurs] does not mean that the magnetic field is gone, so will have very little effect on the dynamo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vukcevic (06:33:53) :<br />
<i>I did say I am not competing for the for the Astronomy’s award of the year.</i><br />
But you did claim that your formula had predictive power, which it obviously with a fixed period does not. </p>
<p><i>Since it appears that you have been giving more than passing attention to my formula</i><i><br />
Pseudo-science should be beaten down whenever it rears its ugly head.</p>
<p></i><i>so not many SS would occur, and they may be hardly visible (LP). </i><br />
The L-P effect [if it occurs] does not mean that the magnetic field is gone, so will have very little effect on the dynamo.</p>
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		<title>By: vukcevic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154414</link>
		<dc:creator>vukcevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leif Svalgaard (04:31:03) : 
Omitting what doesn’t fit will always improve things. But you miss the point, namely that your formula predicts a constant length and the real lengths vary considerably.

Of course, I know they do. I did say I am not competing for the for the Astronomy’s award of the year. I would prefer, if instead of stating obvious you might speculate about the L-P effect. 
Since it appears that you have been giving more than passing attention to my formula (I am flattered ! ), you may have noticed that actually it does cross zero, but for such short time that actual SC25 would be insignificant (appearance of a long minimum), the Sun going early into SC26 which of course has same polarity as SC24.
Alternatively, if next set of PF is 50% lower (as the current is) than SC25 might be about 30-35, so not many SS would occur, and they may be hardly visible (LP). In such circumstances, whatever induces Hale cycle changeover may be so week and unable to completely flip the dynamo (complete process usually takes a year +), so hey presto we may not have polarity change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (04:31:03) :<br />
Omitting what doesn’t fit will always improve things. But you miss the point, namely that your formula predicts a constant length and the real lengths vary considerably.</p>
<p>Of course, I know they do. I did say I am not competing for the for the Astronomy’s award of the year. I would prefer, if instead of stating obvious you might speculate about the L-P effect.<br />
Since it appears that you have been giving more than passing attention to my formula (I am flattered ! ), you may have noticed that actually it does cross zero, but for such short time that actual SC25 would be insignificant (appearance of a long minimum), the Sun going early into SC26 which of course has same polarity as SC24.<br />
Alternatively, if next set of PF is 50% lower (as the current is) than SC25 might be about 30-35, so not many SS would occur, and they may be hardly visible (LP). In such circumstances, whatever induces Hale cycle changeover may be so week and unable to completely flip the dynamo (complete process usually takes a year +), so hey presto we may not have polarity change.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154405</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 11:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vukcevic (00:24:06) :
&lt;i&gt;There are 3 odd cycles SC 6, 13, (SC23 is going to be one), longer than 12 years. If you remove SC6&amp;13, then average length is 10.833, against 10.81 in my formula, which is closer than many other estimates.&lt;/i&gt;
Omitting what doesn&#039;t fit will always improve things. But you miss the point, namely that your formula predicts a constant length and the real lengths vary considerably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vukcevic (00:24:06) :<br />
<i>There are 3 odd cycles SC 6, 13, (SC23 is going to be one), longer than 12 years. If you remove SC6&amp;13, then average length is 10.833, against 10.81 in my formula, which is closer than many other estimates.</i><br />
Omitting what doesn&#8217;t fit will always improve things. But you miss the point, namely that your formula predicts a constant length and the real lengths vary considerably.</p>
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		<title>By: vukcevic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154379</link>
		<dc:creator>vukcevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 07:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 3 odd cycles SC 6, 13, (SC23 is going to be one), longer than 12 years. If you remove SC6&amp;13, then average length is 10.833, against 10.81 in my formula, which is closer than many other estimates. If I got it all correct, you would still dispute it, but even if you did not, lets face it, it would not be a candidate for the Astronomy’s award of the year. Thanks for the encouragement. 
I am idling away my time on ‘climate change’ project at the moment, and since there is no mention of TSI, Sun, solar or SC, and making good progress, I may need some help there, if you are so inclined.
As far as reversals are concerned, I know about that anomaly in the formula, but now you brought it up, it did occur to me that the Livingstone-Penn effect might be a precursor to such an event (if you follow logic of it), which for some reason, may happen from time to time. If so than it reversal would be missed at SC24-25 transition around 2025, and remember you first heard it here.
What do you think the exit from the L-P effect may be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 3 odd cycles SC 6, 13, (SC23 is going to be one), longer than 12 years. If you remove SC6&amp;13, then average length is 10.833, against 10.81 in my formula, which is closer than many other estimates. If I got it all correct, you would still dispute it, but even if you did not, lets face it, it would not be a candidate for the Astronomy’s award of the year. Thanks for the encouragement.<br />
I am idling away my time on ‘climate change’ project at the moment, and since there is no mention of TSI, Sun, solar or SC, and making good progress, I may need some help there, if you are so inclined.<br />
As far as reversals are concerned, I know about that anomaly in the formula, but now you brought it up, it did occur to me that the Livingstone-Penn effect might be a precursor to such an event (if you follow logic of it), which for some reason, may happen from time to time. If so than it reversal would be missed at SC24-25 transition around 2025, and remember you first heard it here.<br />
What do you think the exit from the L-P effect may be?</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154337</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vukcevic (00:29:28) :
&lt;i&gt;Experts do not agree, but you may find some answers here:
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/ links solar current, and solar subcycle&lt;/i&gt;

How is your comparison between observed and calculated times of solar maxima coming? You formula predicts a constant cycle length of 10.81 [except every century or so, when your polar fields do not reverse].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vukcevic (00:29:28) :<br />
<i>Experts do not agree, but you may find some answers here:<br />
<a href="http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/</a> links solar current, and solar subcycle</i></p>
<p>How is your comparison between observed and calculated times of solar maxima coming? You formula predicts a constant cycle length of 10.81 [except every century or so, when your polar fields do not reverse].</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154335</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed (23:54:36) :
&lt;i&gt;100 years from now, people will be looking back and laughing at our ignorance in our understanding of the Sun&lt;/i&gt;
100 years ago, it was widely believed that the planets were controlling solar activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed (23:54:36) :<br />
<i>100 years from now, people will be looking back and laughing at our ignorance in our understanding of the Sun</i><br />
100 years ago, it was widely believed that the planets were controlling solar activity.</p>
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		<title>By: vukcevic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154023</link>
		<dc:creator>vukcevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 07:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed (23:54:36) :
&quot;Why does the sun have a roughly eleven year cycle (suspiciously like our largest planet’s orbital period)? Why does it flip polarity every 22yrs (suspiciously like the conjunction period of our two largest planets)?&quot;

Experts do not agree, but you may find some answers here:
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/ links solar current, and solar subcycle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed (23:54:36) :<br />
&#8220;Why does the sun have a roughly eleven year cycle (suspiciously like our largest planet’s orbital period)? Why does it flip polarity every 22yrs (suspiciously like the conjunction period of our two largest planets)?&#8221;</p>
<p>Experts do not agree, but you may find some answers here:<br />
<a href="http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/</a> links solar current, and solar subcycle</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-154006</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would comment on Lief&#039;s behavior, but it wouldn&#039;t change anything. I would just ignore everything other than actual scientific discussion. As humans, we should be able to rise above it...

Why does the sun have a roughly eleven year cycle (suspiciously like our largest planet&#039;s orbital period)? Why does it flip polarity every 22yrs (suspiciously like the conjunction period of our two largest planets)? I think there is a lot we don&#039;t understand about our planetary system, and the magnetic relationships between the sun and all of our planets...the tidal forces, etc..certainly worth investigating and working on, whether professionally or as an amateur.

100 years from now, people will be looking back and laughing at our ignorance in our understanding of the Sun, Lief, the solar system...the blue planet for that matter. 

Humbling I would think...the little that we know...keep the ideas rolling!

Ed</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would comment on Lief&#8217;s behavior, but it wouldn&#8217;t change anything. I would just ignore everything other than actual scientific discussion. As humans, we should be able to rise above it&#8230;</p>
<p>Why does the sun have a roughly eleven year cycle (suspiciously like our largest planet&#8217;s orbital period)? Why does it flip polarity every 22yrs (suspiciously like the conjunction period of our two largest planets)? I think there is a lot we don&#8217;t understand about our planetary system, and the magnetic relationships between the sun and all of our planets&#8230;the tidal forces, etc..certainly worth investigating and working on, whether professionally or as an amateur.</p>
<p>100 years from now, people will be looking back and laughing at our ignorance in our understanding of the Sun, Lief, the solar system&#8230;the blue planet for that matter. </p>
<p>Humbling I would think&#8230;the little that we know&#8230;keep the ideas rolling!</p>
<p>Ed</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Hughes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully there&#039;s no doubt about the current group on the sun which has been rapidly emerging during the past several hours. Maybe Region 1024 can even produce a few C-Class flares for the first time in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully there&#8217;s no doubt about the current group on the sun which has been rapidly emerging during the past several hours. Maybe Region 1024 can even produce a few C-Class flares for the first time in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part A is getting a preliminary area count that isn&#039;t a nearest 10 kludge.
Part B is when someone like Lief convinces organizations to adopt a standardized way to come up with SSN via area measurement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part A is getting a preliminary area count that isn&#8217;t a nearest 10 kludge.<br />
Part B is when someone like Lief convinces organizations to adopt a standardized way to come up with SSN via area measurement.</p>
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		<title>By: pkatt</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-153516</link>
		<dc:creator>pkatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>grrrrr. Go figure. Two organizations doing the same work (sunspot count) cant even mutually decide what qualifys as a sunspot? Break out the telescope, if you can see it, its a spot.. if you cant, then its not:P No cheating with magnetograms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>grrrrr. Go figure. Two organizations doing the same work (sunspot count) cant even mutually decide what qualifys as a sunspot? Break out the telescope, if you can see it, its a spot.. if you cant, then its not:P No cheating with magnetograms.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunspot Automatic
Measurement (SAM) (Gy}ori, 1998), is the name of the program Debrecen uses.
I&#039;m sure we couldn&#039;t get it, and it probably runs on a specific brand of Unix or Linux, as most specialized scientific processing does.
I&#039;ll check IRAF for any packages, but don&#039;t hold your breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunspot Automatic<br />
Measurement (SAM) (Gy}ori, 1998), is the name of the program Debrecen uses.<br />
I&#8217;m sure we couldn&#8217;t get it, and it probably runs on a specific brand of Unix or Linux, as most specialized scientific processing does.<br />
I&#8217;ll check IRAF for any packages, but don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a lot of work.
Read this paper:
http://fenyi.sci.klte.hu/publ/Gyori_et_al_ASR2004.pdf
The big deal is that observations (images) have piled up for years, so as far as staying current, it&#039;s what we come up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a lot of work.<br />
Read this paper:<br />
<a href="http://fenyi.sci.klte.hu/publ/Gyori_et_al_ASR2004.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://fenyi.sci.klte.hu/publ/Gyori_et_al_ASR2004.pdf</a><br />
The big deal is that observations (images) have piled up for years, so as far as staying current, it&#8217;s what we come up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rbateman (23:07:18) : 

Seems like a lot of hard work. If we had a stack of SOHO images, all we need is a program that stores the date, then counts how many pixels have a red value higher than 240 (isolates space background) and also have a green value of &gt;70. This gives us the sunspot area by date which can then be graphed. Further work could be done to analyze the darkness of the spot by factoring in the green and blue values.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rbateman (23:07:18) : </p>
<p>Seems like a lot of hard work. If we had a stack of SOHO images, all we need is a program that stores the date, then counts how many pixels have a red value higher than 240 (isolates space background) and also have a green value of &gt;70. This gives us the sunspot area by date which can then be graphed. Further work could be done to analyze the darkness of the spot by factoring in the green and blue values.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geoff Sharp (17:11:14) : 

Not to worry too much, Geoff.  
For SOHO 1024x1024 MDI Continuum Images:
Open in AIP4Win
Get Red Channel
Check Statistics of whole image
Subtract Std. Dev. from Median
Crop image
Clip Min to Median-StdDev + 1=0
Use Histogram 
Check Min &amp; Max
Bar will have pixel count
Divide into Hemispherical for image computed by --
(X @ Y=512 on right limb - X @ Y=512 on left limb)/2 * (same) * pi
Matches San Fernando Observatory Hemispherical within 10% 
Using Leif&#039;s suggestion (Hem. Area * 0.27 ^ 0.775) 
03/26/2008 comes out to 498 10E-6 Hemi. / 45 ssn
06/23/2009 comes out to 19 10E-6 Hemi /8 ssn (SIDC=7)
It&#039;s a pain, have to be very careful all the way, but it seems to work.
The Green channel by the same method makes a Hemi. 2 x larger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff Sharp (17:11:14) : </p>
<p>Not to worry too much, Geoff.<br />
For SOHO 1024&#215;1024 MDI Continuum Images:<br />
Open in AIP4Win<br />
Get Red Channel<br />
Check Statistics of whole image<br />
Subtract Std. Dev. from Median<br />
Crop image<br />
Clip Min to Median-StdDev + 1=0<br />
Use Histogram<br />
Check Min &amp; Max<br />
Bar will have pixel count<br />
Divide into Hemispherical for image computed by &#8211;<br />
(X @ Y=512 on right limb &#8211; X @ Y=512 on left limb)/2 * (same) * pi<br />
Matches San Fernando Observatory Hemispherical within 10%<br />
Using Leif&#8217;s suggestion (Hem. Area * 0.27 ^ 0.775)<br />
03/26/2008 comes out to 498 10E-6 Hemi. / 45 ssn<br />
06/23/2009 comes out to 19 10E-6 Hemi /8 ssn (SIDC=7)<br />
It&#8217;s a pain, have to be very careful all the way, but it seems to work.<br />
The Green channel by the same method makes a Hemi. 2 x larger.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 00:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten Arnholm, Norway (11:42:58) :

&lt;i&gt;Geoff Sharp (22:59:28) :
I dont think this would be hard to do.
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Then do it, no need to wait.&lt;/i&gt;

I was hoping someone with programming skills, like you, might put their hand up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten Arnholm, Norway (11:42:58) :</p>
<p><i>Geoff Sharp (22:59:28) :<br />
I dont think this would be hard to do.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Then do it, no need to wait.</i></p>
<p>I was hoping someone with programming skills, like you, might put their hand up.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rik Gheysens (11:42:14) :
&lt;i&gt;Apart from that, I ascertain that during the past 12 months, the number of spotless days remains high (data SIDC). From July 2008 to June 2009, I count 291 spotless days, i.e. 79.7 %. I conclude that during several months, solar activity will remain low.
Me: &quot;Try to plot the number of spotless days per month and see what it tells you. Solar activity will remain ‘low’ for years to come. Just how ‘low’ is the question.&quot;

It is done for you here:
http://www.solarcycle24.com/&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rik Gheysens (11:42:14) :<br />
<i>Apart from that, I ascertain that during the past 12 months, the number of spotless days remains high (data SIDC). From July 2008 to June 2009, I count 291 spotless days, i.e. 79.7 %. I conclude that during several months, solar activity will remain low.<br />
Me: &#8220;Try to plot the number of spotless days per month and see what it tells you. Solar activity will remain ‘low’ for years to come. Just how ‘low’ is the question.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is done for you here:<br />
<a href="http://www.solarcycle24.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.solarcycle24.com/</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/29/10-7-solar-radio-flux-then-and-now/#comment-153176</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rik Gheysens (11:42:14) :
&lt;i&gt;- Are the data of your graph the daily sunspot numbers of both data centers (or the monthly smoothed sunspot numbers, or …)?&lt;/i&gt;
There is a point for every day [same as for all the other curves]

&lt;i&gt;- Do you mean that the NOAA counts are focused on groups, even if the one or two spots of these groups are possibly hardly visible whereas SIDC is focused on spots? Then, if the spots are hardly visible, SIDC notices nothing at all? (In June, SIDC didn’t notice the spots of NOAA numbers 1020 and 1021.)&lt;/i&gt;
Something like that, yes. But the process is not transparent enough to know for sure what they do.

&lt;i&gt;Apart from that, I ascertain that during the past 12 months, the number of spotless days remains high (data SIDC). From July 2008 to June 2009, I count 291 spotless days, i.e. 79.7 %. I conclude that during several months, solar activity will remain low.&lt;/i&gt;
Try to plot the number of spotless days per month and see what it tells you. Solar activity will remain &#039;low&#039; for years to come. Just how &#039;low&#039; is the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rik Gheysens (11:42:14) :<br />
<i>- Are the data of your graph the daily sunspot numbers of both data centers (or the monthly smoothed sunspot numbers, or …)?</i><br />
There is a point for every day [same as for all the other curves]</p>
<p><i>- Do you mean that the NOAA counts are focused on groups, even if the one or two spots of these groups are possibly hardly visible whereas SIDC is focused on spots? Then, if the spots are hardly visible, SIDC notices nothing at all? (In June, SIDC didn’t notice the spots of NOAA numbers 1020 and 1021.)</i><br />
Something like that, yes. But the process is not transparent enough to know for sure what they do.</p>
<p><i>Apart from that, I ascertain that during the past 12 months, the number of spotless days remains high (data SIDC). From July 2008 to June 2009, I count 291 spotless days, i.e. 79.7 %. I conclude that during several months, solar activity will remain low.</i><br />
Try to plot the number of spotless days per month and see what it tells you. Solar activity will remain &#8216;low&#8217; for years to come. Just how &#8216;low&#8217; is the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Arnholm, Norway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carsten Arnholm, Norway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Geoff Sharp (22:59:28) :
I dont think this would be hard to do.&lt;/i&gt;

Then do it, no need to wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Geoff Sharp (22:59:28) :<br />
I dont think this would be hard to do.</i></p>
<p>Then do it, no need to wait.</p>
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