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	<title>Comments on: An Australian look at USHCN: 20th century trend is largely if not entirely an artefact arising from the “corrections”</title>
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		<title>By: Konrad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would also love to know the  justification for TOB trends. My current CAD modeling can find no justification for TOB adjustment outside of half day step changes once off for change in TO. I get the same Tav Monthly for TO at 0700, 1700 and 2400 reading and reset for MMTS using typical summer diurnal profiles and winter profiles. WUWT? If I introduce extreme (Tmax, Tmin randomly overlaping TO) red noise to my pseudo diurnal profiles, TOB is random in sign. Even though I have now read the Karl et al 1985 paper, I am not convinced of the need for TOB adjustments. If TOB adjustments are preformed without reference to the TO recorded for individual stations, I suspect these adjustments belong in the wicker filling cabnet. If these adjustment are preformed over the top of data infilling add a can of lighter fluid and a struck match...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also love to know the  justification for TOB trends. My current CAD modeling can find no justification for TOB adjustment outside of half day step changes once off for change in TO. I get the same Tav Monthly for TO at 0700, 1700 and 2400 reading and reset for MMTS using typical summer diurnal profiles and winter profiles. WUWT? If I introduce extreme (Tmax, Tmin randomly overlaping TO) red noise to my pseudo diurnal profiles, TOB is random in sign. Even though I have now read the Karl et al 1985 paper, I am not convinced of the need for TOB adjustments. If TOB adjustments are preformed without reference to the TO recorded for individual stations, I suspect these adjustments belong in the wicker filling cabnet. If these adjustment are preformed over the top of data infilling add a can of lighter fluid and a struck match&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Stokes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris W,
&lt;a href=&quot;http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/141108.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is another recent paper with lots more detail (free). And here&#039;s what they say about the history of TOB:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The systematic time of observation bias would be of little concern with regard to temperature trends provided that the observation time at a given station did not change during its operational history. As shown in Fig. 3, however, there has been a widespread conversion from afternoon to morning observation times in the HCN. Prior to the 1940s, for example, most observers recorded near sunset in accordance with U.S. Weather Bureau instructions. Consequently, the U.S. climate record as a whole contains a slight positive (warm) bias during the first half of the century. A switch to morning observation times has steadily occurred during the latter half of the century to support operational hydrological
requirements. The result is a broad-scale reduction in mean temperatures that is simply caused by the conversion in the daily reading schedule of the Cooperative Observers. In other words, the gradual conversion to morning observation times in the United States during the past 50 years has artificially reduced the true temperature trend in the U.S. climate record (Karl et al. 1986; Vose et al. 2003; Hubbard and Lin 2006; Pielke et al. 2007a).&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris W,<br />
<a href="http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/141108.pdf" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is another recent paper with lots more detail (free). And here&#8217;s what they say about the history of TOB:</p>
<blockquote><p>The systematic time of observation bias would be of little concern with regard to temperature trends provided that the observation time at a given station did not change during its operational history. As shown in Fig. 3, however, there has been a widespread conversion from afternoon to morning observation times in the HCN. Prior to the 1940s, for example, most observers recorded near sunset in accordance with U.S. Weather Bureau instructions. Consequently, the U.S. climate record as a whole contains a slight positive (warm) bias during the first half of the century. A switch to morning observation times has steadily occurred during the latter half of the century to support operational hydrological<br />
requirements. The result is a broad-scale reduction in mean temperatures that is simply caused by the conversion in the daily reading schedule of the Cooperative Observers. In other words, the gradual conversion to morning observation times in the United States during the past 50 years has artificially reduced the true temperature trend in the U.S. climate record (Karl et al. 1986; Vose et al. 2003; Hubbard and Lin 2006; Pielke et al. 2007a).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Chris Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 09:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@  Nick Stokes (05:50:59)
Nick, thanks for your efforts. If there are any papers available that are free that would be great but, failing that, I wonder if you could briefly describe the basic explanation for this trend. You would certainly expect random changes, depending on who happens to be running the station, but there would have to be some systematic change that led to a consistent trend over fifty years. I would be intrigued to know what it was.
Many thanks,
  Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  Nick Stokes (05:50:59)<br />
Nick, thanks for your efforts. If there are any papers available that are free that would be great but, failing that, I wonder if you could briefly describe the basic explanation for this trend. You would certainly expect random changes, depending on who happens to be running the station, but there would have to be some systematic change that led to a consistent trend over fifty years. I would be intrigued to know what it was.<br />
Many thanks,<br />
  Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Robert A Cook PE</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert A Cook PE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard M (07:27:20) :

Has anyone attempted to extrapolate the adjustments into the future? Just by eyeballing the charts it looks like the adjustments could becomes several degrees by 2100. 

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Richard, Richard....   Haven&#039;t been keeping up with the news?  

MIT did just that study a few weeks ago, and came up with a whirling prediction circular pieplate (er, template) that ALL corrected UHI thermometers will read +9 degrees by the year 2010.    

Come on.  Ya gotta keep up better!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard M (07:27:20) :</p>
<p>Has anyone attempted to extrapolate the adjustments into the future? Just by eyeballing the charts it looks like the adjustments could becomes several degrees by 2100. </p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>Richard, Richard&#8230;.   Haven&#8217;t been keeping up with the news?  </p>
<p>MIT did just that study a few weeks ago, and came up with a whirling prediction circular pieplate (er, template) that ALL corrected UHI thermometers will read +9 degrees by the year 2010.    </p>
<p>Come on.  Ya gotta keep up better!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Nick Stokes (05:50:59) :
For Chris Wright (again)
I think this 2003 review of TOBS is what you are looking for. Unfortunately, it is also behind a (fairly small) paywall.&lt;/i&gt;

For your money, this might be a better investment.

Pielke, Roger A., Christopher A. Davey, Dev Niyogi, Souleymane Fall, Jesse Steinweg-Woods, Ken Hubbard, Xiaomao Lin, Ming Cai, Young-Kwon Lim, and Hong Li (2007), Unresolved issues with the assessment of multidecadal global land surface temperature trends, J Geophys Res, 112, D24S08.[CrossRef]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nick Stokes (05:50:59) :<br />
For Chris Wright (again)<br />
I think this 2003 review of TOBS is what you are looking for. Unfortunately, it is also behind a (fairly small) paywall.</i></p>
<p>For your money, this might be a better investment.</p>
<p>Pielke, Roger A., Christopher A. Davey, Dev Niyogi, Souleymane Fall, Jesse Steinweg-Woods, Ken Hubbard, Xiaomao Lin, Ming Cai, Young-Kwon Lim, and Hong Li (2007), Unresolved issues with the assessment of multidecadal global land surface temperature trends, J Geophys Res, 112, D24S08.[CrossRef]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone attempted to extrapolate the adjustments into the future? Just by eyeballing the charts it looks like the adjustments could becomes several degrees by 2100. Makes one wonder about the methods being used.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone attempted to extrapolate the adjustments into the future? Just by eyeballing the charts it looks like the adjustments could becomes several degrees by 2100. Makes one wonder about the methods being used.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Stokes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For Chris Wright (again)
I think &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL018111.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this 2003 review&lt;/a&gt; of TOBS is what you are looking for. Unfortunately, it is also behind a (fairly small) paywall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Chris Wright (again)<br />
I think <a href="http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2003/2003GL018111.shtml" rel="nofollow">this 2003 review</a> of TOBS is what you are looking for. Unfortunately, it is also behind a (fairly small) paywall.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim Clark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can anybody get me a copy of :

Mitchell, J.M., Effect of changing observation time on mean temperature, Bull. Am. Meteorol. Soc., 39, 83-89, 1958.

I can&#039;t retrieve it from BAMS. The search function will not bring it up. It appears to be the first cited paper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anybody get me a copy of :</p>
<p>Mitchell, J.M., Effect of changing observation time on mean temperature, Bull. Am. Meteorol. Soc., 39, 83-89, 1958.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t retrieve it from BAMS. The search function will not bring it up. It appears to be the first cited paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;jtom (21:47:51) : 

“Little black balloons of CO2 floating up into the sky….”

Let’s see, the atomic mass of N2 is what? And O2 is what? So balloons filled with CO2, with it’s greater mass, is “floating up into the sky”. They must be using one of the IPCC’s models to get that result.&quot;

Well, as N2 makes up 78% of the atmosphere, I used that in an e-mail to the person at the &quot;contact us&quot; link at that site. So I e-mail the contact stating that N2 has an atomic weight of about 15, whereas CO2 is 44. Pointed out the fact that CO2 cannot &quot;float up into the sky as if it is lighter than air and in a black balloon&quot;, political spin and misinformation. Pointed out the fact that mercury (In the ecobulbs) is infinitely more poisonous than CO2 (Reference to Japan and people eating fish contaminated with mercury).

No response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;jtom (21:47:51) : </p>
<p>“Little black balloons of CO2 floating up into the sky….”</p>
<p>Let’s see, the atomic mass of N2 is what? And O2 is what? So balloons filled with CO2, with it’s greater mass, is “floating up into the sky”. They must be using one of the IPCC’s models to get that result.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, as N2 makes up 78% of the atmosphere, I used that in an e-mail to the person at the &#8220;contact us&#8221; link at that site. So I e-mail the contact stating that N2 has an atomic weight of about 15, whereas CO2 is 44. Pointed out the fact that CO2 cannot &#8220;float up into the sky as if it is lighter than air and in a black balloon&#8221;, political spin and misinformation. Pointed out the fact that mercury (In the ecobulbs) is infinitely more poisonous than CO2 (Reference to Japan and people eating fish contaminated with mercury).</p>
<p>No response.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stokes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick Stokes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Wright,
The most comprehensive review of world adjustment practices is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/10003985/abstract&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this 1998 review paper&lt;/a&gt;. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall, and also does not have the detailed information on actual TOBS trends that you are seeking. It does describe the GHCN adjustments, which are limited to homogeneity, and do not include TOBS. For TOBS specifically, the 1986 paper does seem to be the most quoted reference.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&amp;doi=10.1175%2F1520-0477(1991)072%3C1718:EORTCI%3E2.0.CO%3B2&amp;ct=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is a paper by Karl et al on the MMTS adjustment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Wright,<br />
The most comprehensive review of world adjustment practices is <a href="http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/10003985/abstract" rel="nofollow">this 1998 review paper</a>. Unfortunately it is behind a paywall, and also does not have the detailed information on actual TOBS trends that you are seeking. It does describe the GHCN adjustments, which are limited to homogeneity, and do not include TOBS. For TOBS specifically, the 1986 paper does seem to be the most quoted reference.</p>
<p><a href="http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-abstract&amp;doi=10.1175%2F1520-0477(1991)072%3C1718:EORTCI%3E2.0.CO%3B2&amp;ct=1" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is a paper by Karl et al on the MMTS adjustment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Rogers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is interesting the the derived &quot;raw&quot; data in figure 5 show a peak in 1930 which corresponds to the &quot;dust bowl&quot;. The dust bowl was caused by drought and bad farming practices. Maybe it was quite hot too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting the the derived &#8220;raw&#8221; data in figure 5 show a peak in 1930 which corresponds to the &#8220;dust bowl&#8221;. The dust bowl was caused by drought and bad farming practices. Maybe it was quite hot too.</p>
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		<title>By: Pett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, wattsupwiththat.com &#8211; da best. Keep it going!<br />
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		<title>By: Chris Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@  Nick Stokes (14:03:22) 

Thanks for the link to the Karl 1986 paper. But this paper describes a method for estimating TOBS and does not contain a study of actual TOBS trends. However, it does contain a table that shows a continuous trend from AM to PM measurements from 1931 to 1984 (percentage of AM readings goes from 14 to 42). Unfortunately they do not give the source of this data, which is surprising in a scientific paper. Do you have a link to actual scientific studies of the TOBS trends? Many thanks.
Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@  Nick Stokes (14:03:22) </p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the Karl 1986 paper. But this paper describes a method for estimating TOBS and does not contain a study of actual TOBS trends. However, it does contain a table that shows a continuous trend from AM to PM measurements from 1931 to 1984 (percentage of AM readings goes from 14 to 42). Unfortunately they do not give the source of this data, which is surprising in a scientific paper. Do you have a link to actual scientific studies of the TOBS trends? Many thanks.<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: adrian kerton</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been following the warming debate with interest especially Anthony&#039;s survey of weather stations. Prof. Vincent Courtillot thinks that we have very different weather patterns in different parts of the world,  however even though I am a skeptic on AGW, in my short life time of 62 years I am pretty sure we have seen either warming or significant changes in weather patterns here in the UK. 40 years ago wide spread snow in winter was common here even in the south of England and Wales but we have hardly seen snow for the last 20 years.  So has there been a distinct warming that perhaps is now entering a cooling phase or is it just there are different patterns in different parts of the world, even in different parts of the USA?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been following the warming debate with interest especially Anthony&#8217;s survey of weather stations. Prof. Vincent Courtillot thinks that we have very different weather patterns in different parts of the world,  however even though I am a skeptic on AGW, in my short life time of 62 years I am pretty sure we have seen either warming or significant changes in weather patterns here in the UK. 40 years ago wide spread snow in winter was common here even in the south of England and Wales but we have hardly seen snow for the last 20 years.  So has there been a distinct warming that perhaps is now entering a cooling phase or is it just there are different patterns in different parts of the world, even in different parts of the USA?</p>
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		<title>By: John F. Hultquist</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. Hultquist]]></dc:creator>
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I appreciate the additional information and clarification.]]></description>
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<p>I appreciate the additional information and clarification.</p>
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