The Waxman-Markey pre-vote count – where you can help

Folks
After several years of citizen lobbying I can tell you that a phone call is 10X as effective as an email. If you are near an area where your representative has an office, visit that as well. A personal visit is 10x more effective than a phone call.
I have received a pledge from my congress person (Parker Griffiths, AL-5) that he is going to vote no.

My Congressman is Ed Malarky. Sigh.
/Mr Lynn
REPLY: Let him know anyway, can’t hurt. – Anthony

Anthony– I sent an email to Rep Larsen yesterday. He’s a loyal Dem, I’m afraid, but oh, well.
Have you authenticated that EPA draft report? I’d like to send it out to people.
REPLY: This is a draft report, EPA still holds the final, and I would not expect them to release it tomorrow. That being said, the people at CEI are putting their own reputations on the line with this, and they would not do so with a phony document. Their attorney/General Counsel Sam Kazman visited here. I’m hoping for a reply soon, but I have no reason to believe this report is not what it is advertised to be. Also note we had an EPA person visit here and provide corroboration to many parts of the story also. – Anthony

I sent to my representative (Cooper of Tennessee). I made it rather clear that he will be held responsible for his actions and that a vote other than no may have grave consequences to his re-election as I will ensure that every way possible, everyone in this district will be made aware of his decision in this matter.
He is listed as a leaning yes, will be interesting to see what happens. I fear however, this is all for not. I have lost so much faith in this country. My family and friends are sick up and fed with all of this crap! There is hardly a person I know that isn’t completely sick of and disappointed in this administration already, including every Obama voter I know. In fact, the Obama voters I know are the ones that are most upset (and rightfully so).
My gut feeling (and a sinking one at that .. sorry to be so pessimistic here) is that this bill will squeak by in the house, and then deals will be made to ram it through the senate. My friends, I am feeling the worst here. Once you pile this bill onto the Health Care Bill, the Amnesty Bill (coming), Stimulation Bill #2 (coming), we will be soooo deep, I believe you will then finally REALLY begin to see the torches and pitchforks. And I will be glad to be in the front row!

I stepped up an sent emails yesterday and today… but now it’s crunch time. Here are the DC phone numbers for all the folks listed above. Call them and make your voice heard (or completely crush the phone systems in DC):
Undecided or Won’t Say:
Kirkpatrick Az (202) 225-2315
Boyd Fla (202) 225-5235
Brown Fla (202) 225-0123
Bishop Ga (202) 225-3631
R Kirk Ill 202-225-4835
Foster Ill (866) 777-6670
Donnelly Ind (202) 225-3915
R Jones NC 202-225-3415
McIntyre NC (202) 225-2731
R Frelinghuysen NJ (202) 225-5034
Tonko NY (202) 225-5076
Arcuri NY (202) 225-3665
Space Ohio (he voted for it in committee) (202) 225-6265
Carney Penna. (202) 225-3731
Davis Tenn 202.225.6831
Al Green Tex (202) 225-7508
Jackson Lee Tex (202) 225-3816
Ortiz Tex (202) 225-7742
Eddie Bernice Johnson Tex (202) 225-8885
Kind Wis (202) 225-5506
Leaning Yes:
Mitchell Az (202) 225-2190
Cardoza Calif (202) 225-6131
Costa Calif 202-225-3341
Baca Calif (202)225-6161
R Castle Del 202.225.4165
Grayson Fla (202) 225-2176
Meek Fla 202-225-4506
Kozmas Fla (202) 225-2706
Abercrombie Hi (202) 225-2726
Bean Ill (202) 225-3711
R Cao La (202) 225-6636
Kratovil Md (202) 225-5311
R Ehlers Mich (202) 225-3831
Kildee Mich 202-225-3611
Schauer Mich (202) 225-6276
Peters Mich (202) 225-5802
Clay Mo (202) 225-2406
Skelton Mo 202-225-2876
Thompson Miss (202) 225-5876
Shuler NC (202) 225-6401
Adler NJ (202) 225-4765
Lance NJ (202) 225-5361
Meeks NY 202/225-3461
McMahon NY (202) 225-3371
Murphy NY (202) 225-5614
R McHugh NY (202) 225-4611
Maffei NY (202) 225-3701
Driehaus Ohio (202) 225-2216
Fudge Ohio (202) 225-7032
Kilroy Ohio (202) 225-2015
Cooper Tenn 202-225-4311
Edwards Tex 202-225-6105
Rodriguez Tex (202) 225-4511
Nye Va (202) 225-4215
Kagan Wisc (202) 225-5665
Leaning No:
Salazar Colo 202-225-4761
Marshall Ga 202/225-6531
Boswell Iowa (202) 225-3806
Minnick Idaho (202) 225-6611
Halvorson Ill (202) 225-3635
Etheridge NC (202) 225-4531
Kissell NC (202) 225-3715
Massa NY (202) 225-3161
Kaptur Ohio (202) 225-4146
Boccieri Ohio (202) 225-3876
R Gerlach Penna 202.225.4315
Hinojosa Tex (202) 225-2531
Mollohan WV (202) 225-4172
Rahall WV (202) 225-3452

Does anyone have an idea as to the cutoff time (east coast) when phone calls would no longer have meaning?
My Rep. (Miller, D-CA) is deeply in the tank for the AGW dogma and Cap-and-Trade. I contacted him anyway. Interestingly, all comments on his web site on the issue have urged him to vote NO — no one was asking for a yes vote! Maybe he’s too deep in the tank for the yes side to weigh in on this.
Also, following on Squidly’s gut feeling, I am increasingly concerned that there is a long-simmering ideology that has found traction and force through the present administration. At the risk on coming off like a conspiracy theorist, I direct interested skeptics to the CLoward-Piven Strategy. One source for a take on this is at: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html
An argument can be made that AGW is a manufactured crisis, as well as the credit freeze last year that ushered in the recession, and the plan to impose universal health care on the country. A triple whammy designed and outlined in the Cloward-Piven Strategy from 1966.

Little old lady endangered in heavy traffic
“I neither want nor need to cross this road!” little old lady protests.
Boy Scout insists he wishes to help her cross.
Why?

After a couple heated discussions with a senior colleague about the impacts of global warming I stumbled on to WUWT and CA to better hone my understanding of the state of the science. For the past year it has been a daily obsession to read up on the latest reports and absurdities associated with the mess that is AGW. I have refrained from commenting previously mostly because I didn’t feel that I had anything to contribute, but after seeing this topic and discovering that my representative was leaning yes I felt it was my duty to inform them of the terrible impact this bill will have under such flawed premises and assumptions.
I still argue with my colleague who works for a power generation company routinely and despite his Ph.D in physics he consistently ignores any of the new studies or findings that conflict with his personal view that we should be doing something to preserve the planet. In the process I have been able to win over most of my co-workers and I have noticed that the arguments in favor of AGW from a few stubborn holdouts are beginning to take on a shriller and less rational tone.
The irony is that we have worked on a few solar projects and would stand to possibly benefit as a result of this legislation. But the fact is the technology is not nearly adequate enough to provide any significant benefits yet. This legislation is potentially harmful to millions and will have an immediate impact and must be a turning point for the silent majority to stand up against this economic hari kari.
JM
[Reply – Welcome to the fold. ~ Evan]

[snip – a bit too suggestive, sorry, Anthony]
Evolutionary psychologists see certain human behaviors and emotions,which are common to all humans, including the abilities to infer others’ emotions, to discern kin from non-kin, to identify and prefer healthier mates and to co-operate with others.
An ability to distinguish “freeloaders” and parasites within communities arose early in human history, in order that the people would survive and prosper. Another ability that remains embedded within in us all, is the almost uncanny knack of identifying potential external enemies very rapidly, almost with just a glance.
Political correctness may seek to over-ride such elementary caution, but sensible people do not struggle with such stupidity. They look, they see and they decide. I took one look at the photograph at the head of this article and I did not need the Western code that villains wear black hats, to inform me that these are dangerous men. Bloody hell, just look at their faces. An excellent cinematic illustration of a “bad ‘un”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fistfuldollarsvolante.jpg Yes, I know it’s a film portrayal.
Xenophobia is not a ill informed prejudice, it should be seen as a survival mechanism that works to protect us as individuals. We may live in the 21st century, but we still have “stone age” bodies and MINDS. I leave it to other to work out the reasons for the popularity of films such as “Independence Day” , “Mars Attacks” & “War of the Worlds” .
To the barricades, mes enfants. Make the difference and give the House of Representatives enough clout to Kill the Bill, to death. May this comment be posted “unmoderated”.

I am not American, so I would have no business contacting American politicians on this matter. However I would urge all Americans reading this site to ask their representatives to vote NO on cap and trade. It seems extreme to say this, but the economic future of the US and the western world may depend on defeating this totally unjustified legislation. Australia has effectively delayed it’s vote on an ETS till after the Copenhagen talkfest. Some may view this as a limited success, but I feel they miss the point. A delay on ETS is as damaging to the economy as passing the laws. Our respective nation’s economies depend on energy. Passing these laws or the future threat of these laws being passed both serve to stall any continuing investment in viable energy sources. As there is no sound scientific basis for the failed hypothesis of dangerous AGW, the only question regarding cap and tax is “How long do you want this recession to last?”
I hope Americans reading this take the opportunity to exercise their democratic rights while they still have them. Please urge your representatives to vote NO on cap and tax. It is not just your economy, but economies around the world that are threatened by this tax.

In a good comment at Jeff Id, Obama is quoted:
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“…jobs that can’t be shipped overseas.”
Like the thousands of Microsoft jobs which Mr. Ballmer has predicted will end up overseas if you implement this massive tax? Talk about a jobs killer, Waxman-Markey is about as good a jobs killer as a bill which made work illegal would be.

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http://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2009/06/23/obamanable/

Good luck from Kiwiland. Those of us living outside of the USA will be intently interested in the outcome.

Why are you people all over this issue?
Don’t you realise that both Michael jackson AND Farrah Fawcett have just shuffled off this overheating mortal coil !!!11!!!1one!!!!1!!!

Mick (02:18:48)
And that question should be – “Did you actually read all of the proposed legislation before voting?” It would be valuable to the US political process to have a record of who voted in favour as well as a record of who actually checked what they were voting for. My work always requires me to check the figures, the qualifications and previous record of the supplier of said figures is never an excuse for not independently verifying data.

“No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
– George Orwell, Animal Farm, Ch. 10

Does anyone remember what was happening last year at this very time? That’s right – oil was well over $100/bbl. And what were the liberals in congress (and by extension the MSM) screaming about? High gas prices! High oil prices! Inflation! Greedy oil companies! Greedy speculators! The world was coming to and end…
I still remember the flyer that my liberal NH representative (Paul Hodes) sent to his constituents, telling us that he was, among other things, going to have Congress “sue OPEC to bring down gas prices”!! I’m still waiting for that one…
Now, fast-forward 12 months – we now have Congress attempting to make gas expensive again, this time under the guise of “fixing the climate”. So gas will be at $4+/gal again – the difference this time is that *** congress *** will be getting your money rather than those greedy oil companies and speculators!

Another good article here;
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/06/26/morning-bell-waxman-markey-bill-is-an-energy-tax-that-doesnt-work/
Quote “There’s one thing the Waxman-Markey cap and trade bill doesn’t do: Work. All of the above-mentioned costs accrue in the first 25 years of a 90-year program that, as calculated by climatologists, will lower temperatures by only hundredths of a degree Celsius in 2050 and no more than two-tenths of a degree Celsius at the end of the century. In the name of saving the planet for future generations, Waxman-Markey does not sound like a great deal: Millions of lost jobs, trillions of lost income, 50-90 percent higher energy prices, and stunning increases in the national debt, all for undetectable changes in world temperature. Who’s buying that?”

Quote;
Calzada says Spain’s torrential spending — no other nation has so aggressively supported production of electricity from renewable sources — on wind farms and other forms of alternative energy has indeed created jobs. But Calzada’s report concludes that they often are temporary and have received $752,000 to $800,000 each in subsidies — wind industry jobs cost even more, $1.4 million each. And each new job entails the loss of 2.2 other jobs that are either lost or not created in other industries because of the political allocation — sub-optimum in terms of economic efficiency — of capital.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403012_pf.html

I emailed my rep and I am going to call now. This is it people. Now or never…

While my Representative will probably vote FOR the bill, I have politely requested he vote NO. I very briefly stated my scientific qualifications and personal reasoning (I assume this will have little impact).

Anthony:
I called the office of R Jones (NC). They said they will definately be voting NO, so you can update the above tally.

The Dems are saying they have the votes to push this through.
This will chase the rest of the industry overseas.
What sort of idiot would invest their money in US industry?
The final nail in the coffin provided by the California Dems.
At this point I will enjoy it when California goes bankrupt.

I am surprised to see Chet Edwards (Texas 17th) on the leaning yes list. I’ve met with Edwards before, but am just outside his district. Please, please, please if you are constituent of Mr. Edwards, give his office a call.
202-225-6105

Whether this monstrosity passes or not, one thing is clear … the biggest threat to the people of the United States is the government itself.
Our own government has become the enemy.

Last night I shot off a long email to my representative Jared Polis Colorado.
All the indirect indications are that he would vote for this legislation, having a home office in Boulder Colorado (home of NCAR), and the postings on his web site he is likely firmly positioned as a pro AGW advocate. I also called his office this morning and finally got through (someone is spending a lot of time on the phone as it took a while).
His staff person indicated he had not stated his position on the upcoming legislation and I voiced my opposition that this is fatally flawed legislation. Hopefully comments will encourage him to take a stand against it.
Having worked in State government, I second the comments above that the more personal the contact method the higher it is ranked by the staff, more or less in direct proportion to how easy it is to do. A personal visit to the office would carry more weight than a phone call, a phone call and a personal hand written letter would carry more weight than an email, and an email would have more weight than a form letter fax.
Make your best effort to be reasonable and polite in your contact. You can be forceful without coming across as a raging lunatic. That sort of approach will just get your contact thrown in the crack pot pile. Pick one or two specific issues and dwell on them. Make it clear you are watching what the voting record will be and will judge accordingly.
There was an interesting Opinion article in the Wall Street Journal print edition this morning (page A13 for reference) Titled “The Climate Change Climate Change by Kimberly A Strassel. She comments how the tide is turning on the Climate Change “consensus” and how various governments are beginning to have second thoughts on sweeping climate change legislation. It is worth a read if for no other reason than to know it will be read by thousands of Corporate Board Members and people inside the financial world.
Larry

Washington Post is encouraging a NO vote!!! Not because they disagree with the premise, but because this isn’t going to be an effective way to control behaviors.
“Even if it passes today, Waxman-Markey is just a first step. With a flood of amendments to the House bill expected today and fierce battles to come in the Senate, the debate over how to design this fundamental shift in the American economy remains wide open. It’s not too late to hope for a cleaner cap-and-trade bill — such proposals are circulating on Capitol Hill — or a properly designed carbon tax that would send the right market signal to spur green-energy innovation while also leading to vital changes in behavior. “
This is as it always has been about control. Controlling the masses, it’s been the liberal mantra all along.
My congress woman is a solid NO as are both of my Senators.
Keep up the fight!!!
My congress woman is a solid NO as are both of my Senators.
Keep up the fight!!!

Here is another good slam on this insanity from Investor’s Business Daily: http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=330822830678035

You denialists are going to be responsible for the suffering and mass extinctions that AGW is bringing about onto this planet.

Tell Mark Kirk that he won’t get my vote as he attempts his run for governor of Illinois or Illinois Senator if he votes YES. I already called Peter Roskam in my district.

Ken (07:35:39) wrote: “Tell Mark Kirk that he won’t get my vote as he attempts his run for governor of Illinois or Illinois Senator if he votes YES.”
Ken, call Mark at either:
Washington (preferred): 202-225-4835
Northbrook: 847-940-0202
They don’t bite, they just register your IMPORTANT position!

CSPAN is covering this live and in-depth with call-ins. Phone numbers listed on screeen.

if you live in a state like MA where your rep is useless, you can try and influence reps in other states with providing campaign funds.

My rep is a confirmed no . He was leaning yes when this almost came to the floor a while back , but a flood of calls against it swayed him – see it can work . Just to be safe , though , I called his local office (DC line was busy) and emailed .

I have repeatedly contacted my representatives and senators (Louisiana) with messages to KILL this resolution; have been rebuffed from other representatives’ offices with the message-they only listen to constituents! I, too, am pessimistic about stopping this train wreck. I am retired and worry about all increases in living expenses that this fiasco will initiate.
Anthony, thanks for all you work and involvement; surely your scientific studies will eventually win out.
as

There a two large elephants in the room:
• global governance. HR 2454 lays the groundwork for global taxation which is the same as global governance. This is your very worst nightmare ( though many folks are in denial of this fact )
• “Smart Grid”. HR 2454 creates the actual infrastructure of George Orwell’s “1984”. This is very bad.
visit, call, or email your congressman…
This is getting very serious.

It’s not fair the USA has so much and consumes so much. The obvious answer is to tear down this country so we are no better off than anybody else.
The not-so-obvious answer is to elevate everyone else up to our level, but that’s not part of the agenda.

I can’t stream CSPAN either. I have resorted to streaming the CSPAN Radio instead. Does not give you the live debate, but at least there is no Michael Jackson coverage….

This became a freak show. According to Hot air. Waxman just dropped in 300 pages of ammendments this morning. Talk about voting blind.
http://www.rules.house.gov/111/SpecialRules/hr2998/waxman1_hr2998_111.pdf\
This is not what either side thinks they are voting for,
It is so excessive that real people would not hessitate and postpone the vote to give time to sort this out. Would you buy a house if it had 300 pages of changes to sign on closing day?

UPDATE: C-SPAN1 is covering this live, there is a live media streaming page which you can access here
I’m getting a black image. Maybe because it’s a local game?

John G. Bell (07:44:39) :
Re: Mr Lynn (06:38:15)
I am a constituent of Stephen Cohen’s district in Tennessee and also got a 404 error.
http://cohen.house.gov/ does not allow the sending of emails. His official government site is broken. Does anyone know how to obtain his actual email address?
cohenforcongress.com is still up & running with a contact form, but who knows if it’s being monitored.
I imagine Cohen has been overwhelmed with e-mails & phone calls since King Willie resigned yesterday.

C-Span feed doesn’t work for me either. Buffers, plays 2-3 seconds, buffers…
Located in NH USA

Having the same CSPAN problem as reported above.

Folks, can somebody tell when voting is expcted to start? Some europeans are too, really interested in the outcome.
I’m on a convent starting in a few minutes, nevertheless will have blackberry with me. Tks.

CSPAN based on all the interest there seems to be, is suffering from some ‘pipe’ problems. . . . server bandwidth saturation or exceeding the maximum simultaneous connections.

Not sure why anybody is bothering with this.
The bill will pass, with a small but real majority.
Tomorrow, all the stuff we’ve been celebrating here will be front-page news, with the subtitle “See, it’s working already!”
Regards,
Ric

Remember. . .218 votes are required to send the bill to the senate but it looks like they might have them. It may not reflect true sentement as the House often passes tough to swallow legislation with the intent that the Senate will save them from themselves.

Called Congressman Sarbanes office and urged a no vote (for what good it will do). Surprised I actually got to speak to a live person. He’s a radical Leftist (as was his father who he inherited his seat from) but nonetheless, I called.
God, this is crazy…….we must get rid of these people (vote them out).

MarkusR (07:30:58) :
You denialists are going to be responsible for the suffering and mass extinctions that AGW is bringing about onto this planet
What you can’t deny is what the road to hell is paved with nor can you deny the laws of unintended consequences.
Let’s assume AGW will be responsible for future mass extinctions. Will the bill do anything to stop that? Undeniably it will not.
Let’s assume all those computer models are correct. Run the models with the effects of Waxman-Markey. Will it make any noticeable difference? Undeniably it will not.
Whatever else, no one can deny that you carbon irrationalists are in complete denial of reality when it comes to Waxman-Markey, Kyoto, the ‘green economy’ and the untold suffering and economic losses this bill will cause.

The final hours of debate in the House has begun. CSPAN1 is airing on cable/satellite.

Pamela,
Your proposed defection has brought a little happiness to this otherwise sad discussion. I am glad that such a thoughtful person as yourself would choose principle over party affiliation. We need more like you in the world. 🙂

Warm is always better than cold (and often better than cool). This crap is anti-industrialist, anti-liberty and anti-human at its elemental level.

For posterity, I wish to claim the terms carbon irrationalist and climate irrationalist.
Thank you

Just to say that I find it truly incredible, sitting here on the “other side of the pond” watching your “Honourable Representatives” preparing to sign what could well be the most expensive suicide note in history.

We must defeat HR 2454 / HR 2998.
There are no coincidences. As two treasonous bills are being rammed through the congress …
voila!
Two big-name celebrities pass away and the Fawning Corporate Media { “mockingbird media” } are running a full-scale distraction op to keep the American people away from the real news . . .
like magic!
Go to house.gov website and find your Representative by clicking button in the upper-left corner.

E&E Daily breakdown of where the votes are on Waxman-Markey Cap & Trade bill
For actual stand, see ROLL CALL 466 on H RES 587 26-Jun-2009 11:22 AM, BILL TITLE: Providing for consideration of H.R. 2454, American Clean Energy and Security Act

DO they really want a full fledged revolution….
After CO2 now they will be looking at phasing out alcohol globally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8118475.stm

Is there a web site that keeps voting records on who voted what on each bill that is ran through Congress? If so, can someone post the web address to it?

Also this: http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/06/twitter-iain-murray-rt-kerpen-we-are.html

Cap and Trade Being Pulled? [Steve Hayward]
Word flying around D.C. as of 1:30 is that Waxman-Markey is being pulled, suggesting Pelosi doesn’t have the votes. It may be they need a little more time to buy off one or two more people, or possibly they simply can’t get enough committed votes (I am sure more than a few Democrats say they will vote “Yes” as necessary, but have a deal for cover with a “No” vote, which is complicating the whip count).

Irate Patriot (10:49:18) :
Is there a web site that keeps voting records on who voted what on each bill that is ran through Congress? If so, can someone post the web address to it?
Votesmart.org

I feel so sorry for Waxman that if I was american I would vote for his bill. How can any poor soul be that ugly.

Listening (and recording) those buffoons on C-SPAN has caused me to go to the refrigerator for a beer.

Re David Hagen 10:42:46, Waxman was among the non-voters on the strawvote (because he recused himself as a sponsor??), so they have the 218 required for passage. The only hope now is to sway some of the 217 back.
Visit or phone your rep’s local office today!

Well Dilson (11:43:01) :
I called my congressman (Griffith, north AL) and was told that he plans to oppose it. Then, I saw that the entire Alabama delegation voted no on the test vote. We may be dumb-ass rednecks, but we’re at least getting this one right.
Lol. My vote for quote of the week. 🙂

This is incredible:
1200+ page bill that few have read.
300+ pages of amendments added overnight.
And the only Reps in attendance are the speakers – check out all the empty seats.

Rep. Herger from Chico now speaking. “Just say no.”

I love to see this action. Way to go!
I called all the Texas Democrats and emailed all those voting yes, leaning yes or undecided.
Keep the pressure on.

If your in now and really sick of hearing about Michael Jackson, Debate of the bill is on the air at cspan house channel.
Im scared folks… this is looking like it is going to pass.

You can also watch the debate in the House live on Cspan 1.
You can also “vote” through the TV ratings, so get someone to tune into this channel if you can. It is another way to register that this is an issue of high importance. If it does slide by the House the Senate will make note of a spike in viewership of the House debate.
It will also be noted by the Major News organizations (although they might not report it)!
Larry

Good opinion piece on Fox about this: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/06/26/cap-trade-obama/ .
One thing that disturbs me about the speeches in the House today is that “Everyone”, including those opposed to the bill, seems to accept the premise that CO2 is bad and that they have to do something. The arguments are all about jobs, money, etc. with no mention of the fallacy of the AGW hypothesis itself.

Bob Inglis’ office is saying he’s opposed.

50 million? A billion a year!!! $2 billion after 2021!
Man, watching the Hurricanes increase in lockstep with CO2 has been… oh wait…
Seriously, watching CSPAN is more than a little annoying. These people are just plain stupid. The vast majority of them have absolutely no idea what they’re even yapping about.

Markey, from Colorado 5th, should be easily defeated in 2010 if she votes for this bill.

Bill McClure (12:34:55) :
This could also be refered to as the bill to reduce the electricity rates for California. One wise writer noted today that this bill will equalize electricity rates across the country. Punishing those who use coal and rewarding those who so not.

California has long not produced enough electricity to meet it’s needs. It may not have many coal power plants in the state, but it uses plenty of electricity generated by coal.
In the summer, power must be transmitted from nearby states into California so the lights stay on. When those states have to turn off their coal plants, it’s lights out on the left coast.
Perhaps somebody will voluntarily turn off their coal plants now for a few days just to give everyone a taste?

Sensenbrenner had a interesting chart up just now:
$2.2 Trillion would go overseas in carbon credits. Gulp!!!

Watcha wanna bet that the $50 million “hurricane center” in Florida will be staffed primarily by Congressional relatives and donors? Who will do the vast majority of their “research” on either a jetski or a surfboard?

And some Boehner fireworks!
Fingers crossed!

Ray, all
If you read this BBC article closely it includes the implicit threat that countries who accept western money will be allowed to follow their own (this is laughable) development path. Those who don’t will have agendas imposed on them.
“Lord Stern, who wrote a climate change report for the government in 2008, said Mr Brown’s initiative was “timely” but countries getting money should be able to follow their own development agendas and not have them imposed.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8120432.stm
So if you’re a poor nation, collect your welfare payments and follow the agenda (be frugal, don’t develop, use a single windmill to power your whole population) set out for you. If you wish to snub the west’s aid and develop your economy using middle eastern oil, for example, then get ready for your leaders to be disposed of.
That’s elitism, imperialism and the welfare system for you right there.

God Bless John Boehner, and his closing remarks on the 300 page 3:09 AM Admend. attached to the “GOOFY” Bill, to be voted on.. He is doing a great job, as I type

From the Minority Leader’s website:
What You May Not Know About Speaker Pelosi’s National Energy Tax
More Mandates, More Regulations, and More Costs Than Ever Before
Washington, Jun 26 – Speaker Pelosi’s national energy tax is going to raise electricity prices, increase gasoline prices, and ship American jobs overseas to countries like China and India. This, we know.
It would be a bureaucratic nightmare overseen by a confusing web of government agencies that would take and redistribute trillions of dollars from family budgets and workers payrolls. This, we also know. Even Agriculture Committee Chairman Collin Peterson (D-MN) admitted in the Washington Post this morning that: “The truth is, nobody knows for sure how this is going to work.” How encouraging.
But what don’t we know? Here are some facts you may not know about Speaker Pelosi’s national energy tax:
Homebuyers Beware. Trying to save up for a new home? You may have to save up a little longer for your purchase. The Democrats’ bill would dramatically increase new home costs by mandating California’s expensive new building codes for the entire nation. Immediately upon enactment, the Democrats’ bill would demand a 30 percent increase in energy efficiency for new construction. A couple of years later, the Democrats’ bill would require an additional 50 percent improvement. These numbers were chosen with no concern for cost to consumers or feasibility in implementation.
Homebuilders Beware. The Democrats’ bill imposes new mandatory regulations and civil penalties for homebuilders. If your state refuses to accept the stringent and costly California building codes, the federal government may assess penalties. And don’t get too comfortable with the new mandatory regulations because the Democrats’ bill allows for “consensus-based” codes to supplant those outlined in the bill. So, as soon as you’ve invested your hard-earned money to comply with the bill’s mandates, the rug could get pulled from underneath you. Translation? You’ll pony up more and more money.
Home Sellers Beware. Having a hard time selling your home? Here’s one more hurdle to jump: all homes sales are conditioned upon an energy audit and a new energy rating assessment and energy labeling program for your home that’s outlined in the Democrats’ bill. And if you thought you could improve your property with a fresh coat of paint and some granite counters? Think again! Now your home will be subjected to a new energy rating assessment and energy labeling program that will penalize you for older windows, original fixtures, and dated appliances. So the Democrats’ bill would bring down the value of your home!
New Lights No Matter the Cost. As early as 2012, the Democrats’ bill eliminates all existing lighting technology used in many outdoor lighting fleets (parking lots, stadiums, secured facilities like power plants and factories). Just as an example, switching to the mandated technology in the bill will cost one small utility about $30 million in annual revenue. So you now have to comply with the new mandates for new lighting? Hold the phone. It is not clear that a feasible alternative technology is available for every existing lighting application – regardless of cost – which could force some businesses to close.
The consequences of Speaker Pelosi’s national energy tax for families and small businesses are real. It will drive up energy costs, send millions of jobs to countries like China and India, and place an especially heavy burden on rural America. There is a better way. House Republicans have proposed the American Energy Act, legislation that represents the fastest route to a cleaner environment, lower energy costs, and more American jobs. The legislation would:
Increase environmentally-safe energy production on remote lands and far off our shores;
Promote the use of alternative fuels that will reduce carbon emissions, such as nuclear, clean-coal, and renewable energy technologies;
and Encourage increased efficiencies and cutting edge technologies to maximize America’s energy potential.
Today’s vote on Speaker Pelosi’s ill-advised national energy tax will have consequences for every American. It is a bad deal for America. And the American people will remember how their Members of Congress vote.
That’s some crazy stuff if true, or even partly true.