James Hansen was not allowed to testify and these protesters were convicted.
Climate change protesters who ambushed and hijacked a power station coal train failed to convince a jury today that their actions were justified by the “imminent threat” of devastation from global warming.

Smokey (12:01:47) :
. . . Really, that “environmentally pure” level of foolish drivel is what passes for understanding in the enviro movement. They presume, based on true belief and nothing else, that stopping coal use will have zero negative cascade effects; there will just be less evil CO2 around, taxes won’t go up more than $175 a year, and everything else will be wonderful. They simply do not have a clue as to how the real world works.

Well put, but it’s not just that they have no clue; they want no clue. They are true believers (cf. Eric Hoffer), blinded by a simplistic and emotional ideology, which admits of no glimpses into “the real world.”

“There are none so blind as those who will not see.”

/Mr Lynn

How can you presume to know what Mr. Sherrington is saying, when you can’t even spell his name correctly?

I’ve just re-read Geoff’s comment, and I find nothing wrong with it, or inaccurate about it.

A serious problem, though, is your re-writing of Geoff’s comment in your own words, and then arguing with your restatement. That’s a strawman argument.

So you set up a strawman and knocked it right down, you brave strawman killer, you. Instead, try to understand what was actually being said, not what you said was said.

You should give some thought to Geoff’s idea: that some misguided and uneducated people truly believe that any interference with the earth is ’sinful, be it logging trees or digging coal’. That is literally crazy.

Try doing without any of the benefits of wood or coal. Then report back to us. Be sure to use smoke signals or some other environmentally pure means of communication, since silicon and copper are mined, you know, and paper is made from wood. Above all, don’t be a hypocrite. A carrier pigeon would probably be OK. I’ll keep an eye out for it.

Really, that “environmentally pure” level of foolish drivel is what passes for understanding in the enviro movement. They presume, based on true belief and nothing else, that stopping coal use will have zero negative cascade effects; there will just be less evil CO2 around, taxes won’t go up more than $175 a year, and everything else will be wonderful. They simply do not have a clue as to how the real world works.

Surely you read Geoff Sherrington’s commend directly above yours. You might want to read it again. Try to understand what Geoff is saying. It will do you good.

You cannot make an omelette without cracking eggs. You cannot have the material comforts of a modern society without mining and logging. Without them, you are back to cave dwelling and that is NOT an exaggeration.

The mining and logging companies are not idiots and they will seek to invest their funds into enterprises that are efficient and free of externalities like metal spikes driven into trees.

Do go through this mental exercise for a day. Each time use use an object or a utility like electricity, say to yourself “Without this, what would I use?” That is the type of future that uninformed and dangerous people are trying to enforce on you. I am surprised at the number of innocents who vote for this future. No, not surprised, just dismayed that they have not thought it through before committing.

The big agenda that nobody wants to talk about is complete disruption of the ordered economic, political and social structure and its replacement by warfare in which ambitious people can become heros in their lifetimes. Chairman Mao is one model. Take the Profs from the Universities and have them clean toilets. Yes, it’s that serious.

I don’t think you understand. Or maybe you just don’t know Hansen’s background.

You’re probably unaware of the fact [unconvincingly denied by Hansen] that he has taken upwards of a million dollars from people with a very strong pro-AGW agenda. He’s been bought and paid for. Those people expect something of value in return for their cash, and with Hansen they get their money’s worth.

But where does that leave the ordinary taxpayer, who expects the scientists they pay to do science, not partisan advocacy? The taxpayers get defrauded.

And it’s not simply Hansen’s advocating for pro-AGW special interests that is objectionable. It’s the fact that Hansen’s organization, GISS, routinely fudges the temperature record by adjusting it upward.

Finally, your comparison of Hansen to Congress and the president doesn’t fly. Even the president couldn’t get away with taking boatloads of cash from special interests wanting a desired outcome, and putting it into his personal bank account. In Hansen’s case, that payola flowed right into his own pockets, no one else’s. GISS didn’t get it. The U.S. Treasury didn’t get it. NASA didn’t get it. It’s Hansen’s bribe; he got it all.

Some hero you’ve got there.

REPLY: and if the growing season shortens due to cold, rendering some agricultural zones obsolete, there will be people writing that AGW is the cause.

RoyFOMR,

I would love to have Joel as a neighbor. It would give me the opportunity to show him the error of his ways. Might have to get him drunk first, though. You’re invited, too.

Wild horses couldn’t drag me away. You and Joel had better club together to upgrade your barbecues though. You’d better get in plenty of toner for your printers too. That guest-list will be as big as- as big as- a W-M congressional Bill!!

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fpcomment/archive/tags/Rubber+Duck+Award/default.aspx

In case no one has offered it, I believe she is the woman at the D.C. protest last February. As I recall, she was featured as a local vocal West Virginia protester and James Hansen promised to join her in the planned protest. I don’t have the Youtube video link anymore, but look around the James Hansen appearance. As I recall, she was featured ahead of Hansen, just after the dreadlock percussion group.

Mountaintop removal…there is something very dirty, very immoral about it.

That being said…too bad Hansen has already forever sullied his reputation by aligning himself with Gore.

The BIGGER issue here is a gov’t employee funded by the taxpayer…is out participating and inducing civil disobedience.

HE NEEDS TO BE FIRED.

There are plenty other bright scientific minds out there that can replace him.

Get him off the dole. That way he can politicize all he wants….but on his OWN money and time, not ours.

Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

Nature seems to enjoy the odd volcano or two?
Fairly messy about it too.
Do you want to bet that the photo from the ISS contains a hundred times more pollution than the entire West Virginia coal industry has produced since it started?

I would love to have Joel as a neighbor. It would give me the opportunity to show him the error of his ways. Might have to get him drunk first, though. You’re invited, too.