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	<title>Comments on: NOAA: FUBAR high temp/climate records from faulty sensor to remain in place at Honolulu</title>
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		<title>By: David Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike (16:09:39) Let me apologize if I have misinterpreted your post. There are people starving on Oahu. There are people starving on the continental U.S. These are issues that are more important than Global Warming. My question to you is; How many more people are going to suffer if cap-trade is implemented? Cap-trade is based on Co2 being a &quot;pollutant&quot;. The claim is that Co2 will increase earth&#039;s temperature. This idea will cripple an already weak economy. How many people are going to starve then? All based on an idea that you agree is false. What if the earth cools and crops fail when we have not prepared for this because we were preparing for catastrophic warming? Perhaps you can see the importance of breaking down this false premise. Water is also an extremely important issue that needs to be looked at as well. In a resourceful country like the U.S., you have the ability to address all these issue at the same time. The powers that be seem to want to focus on Global Warming only. They have made it the priority, not WUWT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike (16:09:39) Let me apologize if I have misinterpreted your post. There are people starving on Oahu. There are people starving on the continental U.S. These are issues that are more important than Global Warming. My question to you is; How many more people are going to suffer if cap-trade is implemented? Cap-trade is based on Co2 being a &#8220;pollutant&#8221;. The claim is that Co2 will increase earth&#8217;s temperature. This idea will cripple an already weak economy. How many people are going to starve then? All based on an idea that you agree is false. What if the earth cools and crops fail when we have not prepared for this because we were preparing for catastrophic warming? Perhaps you can see the importance of breaking down this false premise. Water is also an extremely important issue that needs to be looked at as well. In a resourceful country like the U.S., you have the ability to address all these issue at the same time. The powers that be seem to want to focus on Global Warming only. They have made it the priority, not WUWT.</p>
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		<title>By: conservative09</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[conservative09]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, what came first...

The sensor?  Or the asphalt road, the a/c, and the power transformer...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, what came first&#8230;</p>
<p>The sensor?  Or the asphalt road, the a/c, and the power transformer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Pearse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe we should organize a protest rally to shut down the weather station.  It surely warrants the widest possible publicity.  Even the radio station got the joke!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should organize a protest rally to shut down the weather station.  It surely warrants the widest possible publicity.  Even the radio station got the joke!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike McMillan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[‘Peter Plail (05:37:28) :&lt;i&gt;
The Beeb also has a wonderful &lt;/i&gt;grahic&lt;i&gt; explaining how global warming works. See if you can spot what’s missing .&lt;/i&gt;

p ?

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I just finished the &quot;Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States&quot; pdf.  Depressing.  I cut and pasted it into WordPerfect so I could highlight the distortions/misrepresentations/&lt;strike&gt;lies&lt;/strike&gt;misstatements/omissions/etc., but I ran out of highlighter.  Found a few typos, too.

I did like the photo of weeds growing better with increased CO2.  Didn&#039;t mention the huge increase in crop productivity we have already seen.  Didn&#039;t mention a lot of stuff, come to think of it.  Pointed out that if the whole Antarctic melted it would raise the sea level a bunch.  Didn&#039;t mention that if we were hit by an asteroid we&#039;d be in even worse shape; both equally likely.

Arrrgh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Peter Plail (05:37:28) :<i><br />
The Beeb also has a wonderful </i>grahic<i> explaining how global warming works. See if you can spot what’s missing .</i></p>
<p>p ?</p>
<p>.<br />
I just finished the &#8220;Global Climate Change Impacts in the United States&#8221; pdf.  Depressing.  I cut and pasted it into WordPerfect so I could highlight the distortions/misrepresentations/<strike>lies</strike>misstatements/omissions/etc., but I ran out of highlighter.  Found a few typos, too.</p>
<p>I did like the photo of weeds growing better with increased CO2.  Didn&#8217;t mention the huge increase in crop productivity we have already seen.  Didn&#8217;t mention a lot of stuff, come to think of it.  Pointed out that if the whole Antarctic melted it would raise the sea level a bunch.  Didn&#8217;t mention that if we were hit by an asteroid we&#8217;d be in even worse shape; both equally likely.</p>
<p>Arrrgh.</p>
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		<title>By: George M</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony:
Is the ASOS temp sensor failure (my judgment, not NOAAs) a relatively slow process, or a sudden jump (up, obviously)?  Slow upward drift of these neat little sensors could explain a lot of things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony:<br />
Is the ASOS temp sensor failure (my judgment, not NOAAs) a relatively slow process, or a sudden jump (up, obviously)?  Slow upward drift of these neat little sensors could explain a lot of things.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[3 degree hotter temperature sensors readings due to component failure are to be averaged into the system, irregardless of the known failure.
And I personally witnessed a more serious error.
How many more are there escaping notice?
The issue and the question are valid.
There are aspects and side issues too, but our Forum host has requested rightly that we stick to the business at hand.
How many +1 degree and +2 degree errors are out there polluting the record as we talk?
Errors that are never to be removed??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3 degree hotter temperature sensors readings due to component failure are to be averaged into the system, irregardless of the known failure.<br />
And I personally witnessed a more serious error.<br />
How many more are there escaping notice?<br />
The issue and the question are valid.<br />
There are aspects and side issues too, but our Forum host has requested rightly that we stick to the business at hand.<br />
How many +1 degree and +2 degree errors are out there polluting the record as we talk?<br />
Errors that are never to be removed??</p>
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		<title>By: glenncz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glenncz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[9.5 years,  CO2 according to Mauna Loa has gone up every year, but no rise in world temperatures.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2000/plot/rss/from:2000/trend]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9.5 years,  CO2 according to Mauna Loa has gone up every year, but no rise in world temperatures.<br />
<a href="http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2000/plot/rss/from:2000/trend" rel="nofollow">http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2000/plot/rss/from:2000/trend</a></p>
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		<title>By: RoyFOMR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RoyFOMR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, may I ask you something? Have you been in the weather business for &gt;= three decades? If so, does that make you both a weatherologist and a climatologist?
Just wondering!

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Why would I want either title? - A]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, may I ask you something? Have you been in the weather business for &gt;= three decades? If so, does that make you both a weatherologist and a climatologist?<br />
Just wondering!</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Why would I want either title? &#8211; A</p>
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		<title>By: RoyFOMR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RoyFOMR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My PC is playing up just now. I tried to post this earlier but the tea-leaves said that it didn&#039;t get through.  Here goes.
Got to admit, however much you may deplore the &#039;delusionalists&#039; for their repudiation of the scientific method, you have to praise them for their loyalty. 

Not for them a curt dismissal into forced retirement and un-thanked obscurity, for an elderly and once-respected sensor-servant brought low by the wearage and tearage of life into disrespected and premature senility.
When you have right on your side, inconvenient facts are but, insignificant, vermin fully deserving of being ridden down.

I salute your chivalry, Viscount NOAA and wish you well for the remainder of your Crusade.  Droit de seigneur – Alive and Kicking once more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My PC is playing up just now. I tried to post this earlier but the tea-leaves said that it didn&#8217;t get through.  Here goes.<br />
Got to admit, however much you may deplore the &#8216;delusionalists&#8217; for their repudiation of the scientific method, you have to praise them for their loyalty. </p>
<p>Not for them a curt dismissal into forced retirement and un-thanked obscurity, for an elderly and once-respected sensor-servant brought low by the wearage and tearage of life into disrespected and premature senility.<br />
When you have right on your side, inconvenient facts are but, insignificant, vermin fully deserving of being ridden down.</p>
<p>I salute your chivalry, Viscount NOAA and wish you well for the remainder of your Crusade.  Droit de seigneur – Alive and Kicking once more!</p>
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		<title>By: RoyFOMR</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RoyFOMR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT but maybe worth a millisecond of attention.

I posted this comment about PETA&#039;s response to POTUS swatting of a fly on 
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/06/18/update-peta-explains-criticism-over-obama-fly-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-324698

When I was 14, I asked my father. &quot;Dad, can I join PETA? He went silent and then answered. &quot;Son, you&#039;re too young to join PETA&quot;.
When I was 15, I asked him the same question. He answered thus. &quot;Son, you&#039;re too old to join PETA&quot;. Thanks Dad, you were right

It&#039;s in moderation as I scribble. Place your bets Ladies and Gents - pass or fail?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT but maybe worth a millisecond of attention.</p>
<p>I posted this comment about PETA&#8217;s response to POTUS swatting of a fly on<br />
<a href="http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/06/18/update-peta-explains-criticism-over-obama-fly-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-324698" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/06/18/update-peta-explains-criticism-over-obama-fly-swat/comment-page-1/#comment-324698</a></p>
<p>When I was 14, I asked my father. &#8220;Dad, can I join PETA? He went silent and then answered. &#8220;Son, you&#8217;re too young to join PETA&#8221;.<br />
When I was 15, I asked him the same question. He answered thus. &#8220;Son, you&#8217;re too old to join PETA&#8221;. Thanks Dad, you were right</p>
<p>It&#8217;s in moderation as I scribble. Place your bets Ladies and Gents &#8211; pass or fail?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hempell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Hempell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since this is about NOAA temperatures and they just came out with their report about USA warming.  Lets look at the USA 48 temperatures.  Since Anthony has done all the work and we can pretty much say that the NOAA temperature data for the USA is dubious, lets use the UAH and RSS satellite temperatures for the USA 48.

Bob Tisdale has pretty much convinced me that the 1998 El Nino had an anomalous effect on temperatures, so what I do is look at the RSS and UAH charts for the period Jan 1979 - Oct 1997 and Nov 1998 - Present for RSS and UAH.  Basically cutting out the bump caused by the El Nino.  (The effect has still not worn off according to Bob, but I&#039;ll ignore that)

The results are for the USA 48:

RSS 1.68 Deg C per Century  1979 - 1997 (linear trend)
       -4.2 Deg C per Century  1998 to Present (linear trend)

UAH 2.54 Deg C per Century 1979 to 1997 (linear trend)
       -3.24 Deg C per Century 1998 to Present (linear trend) 

Seems to me the USA 48 could use all the CO2 it can get!!  NOAA better make darn sure it&#039;s temperature data is better that the satellite data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this is about NOAA temperatures and they just came out with their report about USA warming.  Lets look at the USA 48 temperatures.  Since Anthony has done all the work and we can pretty much say that the NOAA temperature data for the USA is dubious, lets use the UAH and RSS satellite temperatures for the USA 48.</p>
<p>Bob Tisdale has pretty much convinced me that the 1998 El Nino had an anomalous effect on temperatures, so what I do is look at the RSS and UAH charts for the period Jan 1979 &#8211; Oct 1997 and Nov 1998 &#8211; Present for RSS and UAH.  Basically cutting out the bump caused by the El Nino.  (The effect has still not worn off according to Bob, but I&#8217;ll ignore that)</p>
<p>The results are for the USA 48:</p>
<p>RSS 1.68 Deg C per Century  1979 &#8211; 1997 (linear trend)<br />
       -4.2 Deg C per Century  1998 to Present (linear trend)</p>
<p>UAH 2.54 Deg C per Century 1979 to 1997 (linear trend)<br />
       -3.24 Deg C per Century 1998 to Present (linear trend) </p>
<p>Seems to me the USA 48 could use all the CO2 it can get!!  NOAA better make darn sure it&#8217;s temperature data is better that the satellite data.</p>
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		<title>By: rephelan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rephelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As per Anthony&#039;s earlier request, I sent this e-mail to Hawaii.  Got back a bunch of &quot;out-of-the-office&quot; replies.


Gentlemen and Ms. Fujiwara:

I have just read on Anthony Watts’ blog WUWT 

 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/17/noaa-fubar-high-tempclimate-records-from-faulty-sensor-to-remain-in-place-at-honolulu/#more-8608 

that the temperature sensor at Honolulu has been exhibiting a significant warm bias for some time and has now been replaced, but that the records will not be adjusted to compensate for the bias.  If this is in fact correctly reported,  I find this course of action absolutely intolerable.  Measures are even now being seriously proposed to mitigate the problem of  “global warming” , measures that will cost trillions and result in significant reductions in standards of living and personal liberty.  Your data is part of the scientific evidence for this global warming problem and the erroneously reported “record temperatures” in Honolulu are being widely reported in the popular media as further evidence of the urgency in solving this problem.  Failure to correct this data is dishonest and brings into disrepute both your organization and yourselves, not to mention the reputation and prestige of science in general. 

 If you care to make a clarification on this matter, I will be happy to consider it and I am sure Anthony would be happy to entertain your comment on his blog. If the clarification should simply be restatement of the “a degree or two doesn’t matter” variety, then be forewarned that it will not be acceptable. Accuracy of measurement is important in both science and the battle of public relations.  

I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,


All that being said, it is worth pointing out that we have been relying on a variety of articles and have not heard what NWS Honolulu has to say for themselves.  The decision on the records may not have been theirs to make.  They may be defering the decision. They may be running side-by-side measurements. We don&#039;t know.  As reported, the issue certainly looks bad, but on this site, Anthony&#039;s site, let&#039;s gather the facts before rushing to talk about dark, smelly conspiracies.  Conspiracy, somewhere, there may be, but evidence, proof, documentation....  I need good, solid evidence before going to man the barricades....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As per Anthony&#8217;s earlier request, I sent this e-mail to Hawaii.  Got back a bunch of &#8220;out-of-the-office&#8221; replies.</p>
<p>Gentlemen and Ms. Fujiwara:</p>
<p>I have just read on Anthony Watts’ blog WUWT </p>
<p> <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/17/noaa-fubar-high-tempclimate-records-from-faulty-sensor-to-remain-in-place-at-honolulu/#more-8608" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/17/noaa-fubar-high-tempclimate-records-from-faulty-sensor-to-remain-in-place-at-honolulu/#more-8608</a> </p>
<p>that the temperature sensor at Honolulu has been exhibiting a significant warm bias for some time and has now been replaced, but that the records will not be adjusted to compensate for the bias.  If this is in fact correctly reported,  I find this course of action absolutely intolerable.  Measures are even now being seriously proposed to mitigate the problem of  “global warming” , measures that will cost trillions and result in significant reductions in standards of living and personal liberty.  Your data is part of the scientific evidence for this global warming problem and the erroneously reported “record temperatures” in Honolulu are being widely reported in the popular media as further evidence of the urgency in solving this problem.  Failure to correct this data is dishonest and brings into disrepute both your organization and yourselves, not to mention the reputation and prestige of science in general. </p>
<p> If you care to make a clarification on this matter, I will be happy to consider it and I am sure Anthony would be happy to entertain your comment on his blog. If the clarification should simply be restatement of the “a degree or two doesn’t matter” variety, then be forewarned that it will not be acceptable. Accuracy of measurement is important in both science and the battle of public relations.  </p>
<p>I look forward to your response.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>All that being said, it is worth pointing out that we have been relying on a variety of articles and have not heard what NWS Honolulu has to say for themselves.  The decision on the records may not have been theirs to make.  They may be defering the decision. They may be running side-by-side measurements. We don&#8217;t know.  As reported, the issue certainly looks bad, but on this site, Anthony&#8217;s site, let&#8217;s gather the facts before rushing to talk about dark, smelly conspiracies.  Conspiracy, somewhere, there may be, but evidence, proof, documentation&#8230;.  I need good, solid evidence before going to man the barricades&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Bowlin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Bowlin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The XO on my first ship once told his junior officers, &quot;The only thing worse than making a bad decision is changing it.&quot;  This comment, from an otherwise excellent officer, left everyone scratching his head trying to figure out what it meant...looks like NOAA has a similar leadership philosophy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The XO on my first ship once told his junior officers, &#8220;The only thing worse than making a bad decision is changing it.&#8221;  This comment, from an otherwise excellent officer, left everyone scratching his head trying to figure out what it meant&#8230;looks like NOAA has a similar leadership philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man you guys really need to get a life.  The temperature at Honolulu isn&#039;t affecting the climate change debate, those records and the models used to develop climate research are totally unrelated.  

The temperature sensors are managed by the FAA anyway.  This isn&#039;t a new problem either, nor one that NWS Honolulu can do anything about. All the sensors that were part of this lineup read hot, they always have.  &quot;Wow! Could that be why all this globa....oh wait. 

If you still believe climate change is man-made then go to meteorology school and get an education, then you&#039;ll see that its all a bunch of bunk that weak minded people that operate outside their disciplines or from pseudosciences created. Since people watch too many movies where all kinds of horrible things happen and there is one hero that speaks out from the &quot;evil tyrants&quot; controlling their temperature sensors, everyone thinks its a good idea.

People are starving on Oahu, maybe solve that problem, then if you get that one and all the other problems fixed, we can fix the temperature sensor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man you guys really need to get a life.  The temperature at Honolulu isn&#8217;t affecting the climate change debate, those records and the models used to develop climate research are totally unrelated.  </p>
<p>The temperature sensors are managed by the FAA anyway.  This isn&#8217;t a new problem either, nor one that NWS Honolulu can do anything about. All the sensors that were part of this lineup read hot, they always have.  &#8220;Wow! Could that be why all this globa&#8230;.oh wait. </p>
<p>If you still believe climate change is man-made then go to meteorology school and get an education, then you&#8217;ll see that its all a bunch of bunk that weak minded people that operate outside their disciplines or from pseudosciences created. Since people watch too many movies where all kinds of horrible things happen and there is one hero that speaks out from the &#8220;evil tyrants&#8221; controlling their temperature sensors, everyone thinks its a good idea.</p>
<p>People are starving on Oahu, maybe solve that problem, then if you get that one and all the other problems fixed, we can fix the temperature sensor.</p>
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		<title>By: forfismum</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[forfismum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have a look at how the moderators at the British site &quot;the environment site .org &quot;is trying to stifle discussion on this and other subjects raised by Anthony 

http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/forum/climate-change-forum/17308-new-experiment-discussion-here-19.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at how the moderators at the British site &#8220;the environment site .org &#8220;is trying to stifle discussion on this and other subjects raised by Anthony </p>
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