<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Listening to the Antarctic Ice Shelves &#8211; they say &#8220;no climate change&#8221;</title>
	<atom:link href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/</link>
	<description>The world&#039;s most viewed site on global warming and climate change</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 14:07:08 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: ohioholic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-146466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ohioholic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-146466</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Antarctica is certainly not as important to AGW theory as, say, its sea ice is to skeptic argumentation.&quot;

What is the AGW theory? How do we test it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Antarctica is certainly not as important to AGW theory as, say, its sea ice is to skeptic argumentation.&#8221;</p>
<p>What is the AGW theory? How do we test it?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Phil.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-146457</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-146457</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Pamela Gray (11:31:43) :
It took me a while to find the daily satellite image of Wilken’s. Here it is. Should be fun to watch what happens as it ices up again or not.&lt;/em&gt;

The ice that&#039;s broken up isn&#039;t going to &#039;ice up&#039; in any reasonable time, it was 200m thick.  Also the &#039;pinning points&#039; that kept the ice in place are gone so I think you&#039;ll see further breakup over the next year or so, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see the bridge to Latady go too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Pamela Gray (11:31:43) :<br />
It took me a while to find the daily satellite image of Wilken’s. Here it is. Should be fun to watch what happens as it ices up again or not.</em></p>
<p>The ice that&#8217;s broken up isn&#8217;t going to &#8216;ice up&#8217; in any reasonable time, it was 200m thick.  Also the &#8216;pinning points&#8217; that kept the ice in place are gone so I think you&#8217;ll see further breakup over the next year or so, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see the bridge to Latady go too.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-146384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-146384</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It took me a while to find the daily satellite image of Wilken&#039;s.  Here it is.  Should be fun to watch what happens as it ices up again or not.  It helps to follow the jet stream pattern at the South Pole as well.  And the Antarctic current.

http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMYBBSTGOF_index_0.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me a while to find the daily satellite image of Wilken&#8217;s.  Here it is.  Should be fun to watch what happens as it ices up again or not.  It helps to follow the jet stream pattern at the South Pole as well.  And the Antarctic current.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMYBBSTGOF_index_0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMYBBSTGOF_index_0.html</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: oms</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oms]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145980</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Roger Knights (23:55:03) :
&lt;blockquote&gt;They ought to listen to Greenland too, since the warmers claim that glacial calving has increased.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This also sounds (no pun intended) like a good idea, but a nice, isolated place (Antarctica), away from shipping channels and other noises, is probably not a bad place to start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger Knights (23:55:03) :</p>
<blockquote><p>They ought to listen to Greenland too, since the warmers claim that glacial calving has increased.</p></blockquote>
<p>This also sounds (no pun intended) like a good idea, but a nice, isolated place (Antarctica), away from shipping channels and other noises, is probably not a bad place to start.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: davidfrom  norfolkUK</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davidfrom  norfolkUK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145859</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Today in Parliament, the Environment minister Hilary Benn outlined apocalyptic climate change for UK between now and 2008. Global warming will result in temperatures up to 41° C , and the desertification of much of the country! And high increases in sea level!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today in Parliament, the Environment minister Hilary Benn outlined apocalyptic climate change for UK between now and 2008. Global warming will result in temperatures up to 41° C , and the desertification of much of the country! And high increases in sea level!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 06:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145769</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[They ought to listen to Greenland too, since the warmers claim that glacial calving has increased.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They ought to listen to Greenland too, since the warmers claim that glacial calving has increased.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145673</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Graeme Rodaughan (21:49:32)  &amp;  John W. (06:49:47):

I was referring to AGW&#039;s central &#039;THEORY&#039;, because that is the obvious first target of skeptic criticism.
As suggested, I looked at two RC articles on Antarctica.
The good news is that they back-up my no-warming-for-East-Antarctica
statement.
The bad news is that there is no mention of my land area argument.

polar amplification:  &quot;...the amplified rate of surface warming at the poles compared to the rest of the globe in (a) climate model&#039;s response to increasing (greenhouse gas) levels.&quot;
&quot;Newer climate models generally also have very modest or no polar amplification over the Southern Ocean and Antarctica in hindcasts of the last century.  The presence of a deep and circulating ocean component is key becaue the ocean heat uptake increases most in the Southern Ocean as the climate warms.&quot;
&quot;...models have (also) been used to attribute a considerable fraction of the warming on the Antarctic Peninsula and the lack of warming elsewhere on Antarctica to a decreasing trend in stratospheric ozone levels in the past few decades.&quot;    2 Jan 06

&quot;...we often hear people remarking that parts of Antarctica are getting colder and indeed the ice pack in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica has actually been getting bigger.  Doesn&#039;t this contradict the calculations that greenhouse gases are warming the globe?  Not at all, because a cold Antarctica is just what calculations predict...and have predicted for the past quarter century.&quot; 
&quot;...computer models...continue to show that Antarctica cannot be expected to warm up very significantly until long after the rest of the world&#039;s climate is radically changed.&quot;  12 Feb 08]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graeme Rodaughan (21:49:32)  &amp;  John W. (06:49:47):</p>
<p>I was referring to AGW&#8217;s central &#8216;THEORY&#8217;, because that is the obvious first target of skeptic criticism.<br />
As suggested, I looked at two RC articles on Antarctica.<br />
The good news is that they back-up my no-warming-for-East-Antarctica<br />
statement.<br />
The bad news is that there is no mention of my land area argument.</p>
<p>polar amplification:  &#8220;&#8230;the amplified rate of surface warming at the poles compared to the rest of the globe in (a) climate model&#8217;s response to increasing (greenhouse gas) levels.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Newer climate models generally also have very modest or no polar amplification over the Southern Ocean and Antarctica in hindcasts of the last century.  The presence of a deep and circulating ocean component is key becaue the ocean heat uptake increases most in the Southern Ocean as the climate warms.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;models have (also) been used to attribute a considerable fraction of the warming on the Antarctic Peninsula and the lack of warming elsewhere on Antarctica to a decreasing trend in stratospheric ozone levels in the past few decades.&#8221;    2 Jan 06</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;we often hear people remarking that parts of Antarctica are getting colder and indeed the ice pack in the Southern Ocean around Antarctica has actually been getting bigger.  Doesn&#8217;t this contradict the calculations that greenhouse gases are warming the globe?  Not at all, because a cold Antarctica is just what calculations predict&#8230;and have predicted for the past quarter century.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;&#8230;computer models&#8230;continue to show that Antarctica cannot be expected to warm up very significantly until long after the rest of the world&#8217;s climate is radically changed.&#8221;  12 Feb 08</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Smokey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Smokey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145653</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The first woman to explore the Antarctic has passed away: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/17/AR2009061703502.html?hpid=topnews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;click&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first woman to explore the Antarctic has passed away: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/17/AR2009061703502.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">click</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jukin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145593</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jukin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145593</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[When it is hotter than normal it is AGW.

When it is colder than normal it is weather.

People GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it is hotter than normal it is AGW.</p>
<p>When it is colder than normal it is weather.</p>
<p>People GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike Lorrey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Lorrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145543</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[“Ice whisperers hear climate change in the Antarctic” – Anthony

I can see the book title now: &quot;Silent Ice Scream&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Ice whisperers hear climate change in the Antarctic” – Anthony</p>
<p>I can see the book title now: &#8220;Silent Ice Scream&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145487</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;&quot;   I put those little grains of salt in to keep Charles the Moderator happy; we sometimes annoy him accidently so he needs some cheering up.

Besides you know what white knuckle fliers say; “The further I get from the firma, the more the terra ! ”

George

Reply: Terrable. ~ charles the (moderne spelling always use lower case) moderator   &quot;&quot;&quot;

Well I chose to anoint you with the title of &quot;Moderator&quot; as distinct from an inanimate object like the moderator in a nuclear reactor; and being properly British (as well as fully American) we always use caps for titles of nobility.
And for the Terabytes; the cap &quot;T&quot; is by international agreement, as the diminutive &quot;t&quot; ; while not a current in use prefix, would be something very small such as &quot;tichybyte&quot;.

George]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"   I put those little grains of salt in to keep Charles the Moderator happy; we sometimes annoy him accidently so he needs some cheering up.</p>
<p>Besides you know what white knuckle fliers say; “The further I get from the firma, the more the terra ! ”</p>
<p>George</p>
<p>Reply: Terrable. ~ charles the (moderne spelling always use lower case) moderator   &#8220;&#8221;"</p>
<p>Well I chose to anoint you with the title of &#8220;Moderator&#8221; as distinct from an inanimate object like the moderator in a nuclear reactor; and being properly British (as well as fully American) we always use caps for titles of nobility.<br />
And for the Terabytes; the cap &#8220;T&#8221; is by international agreement, as the diminutive &#8220;t&#8221; ; while not a current in use prefix, would be something very small such as &#8220;tichybyte&#8221;.</p>
<p>George</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alan Chappell</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Chappell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145458</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Ron de Haan, 01:57:01
                                   America really has a colossal problem this has been sanctioned by the Obama admin, Jimmie Carter come back! all is forgiven ! the only thing left is ask the Iranians for help in communication and crowd control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron de Haan, 01:57:01<br />
                                   America really has a colossal problem this has been sanctioned by the Obama admin, Jimmie Carter come back! all is forgiven ! the only thing left is ask the Iranians for help in communication and crowd control.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: ubmathur</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145439</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubmathur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145439</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The massive coastal glaciers girdling Antarctica are shrinking fast, but the situation may be different in some other parts of Antarctica.
The glaciers of the Garhwal Himalaya are retreating fast, but the situation has not changed in the Siachin glaciers during the last century. Models are models, the ground-truth may spreak differently.
I am reminded of models predicting that the Maldives will disappear soon under the rising sea-levels due to glaobal warming. Morner has shown it is the otherway round.
Are the alarmist listening!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The massive coastal glaciers girdling Antarctica are shrinking fast, but the situation may be different in some other parts of Antarctica.<br />
The glaciers of the Garhwal Himalaya are retreating fast, but the situation has not changed in the Siachin glaciers during the last century. Models are models, the ground-truth may spreak differently.<br />
I am reminded of models predicting that the Maldives will disappear soon under the rising sea-levels due to glaobal warming. Morner has shown it is the otherway round.<br />
Are the alarmist listening!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Magnus A</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Magnus A]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145413</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[nelsonleith. Here&#039;s a description of in media re-used pictures of the Wilkins Ice Shelf catastrophe (sic!):

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/17/the-antarctic-wilkins-ice-shelf-collapse-media-recycles-photos-and-storylines-from-previous-years/


West Antarctica will not start to collapse in at least 100 years, and the collapse will takes thousands of years, according to the best science available -- a quite new study in journal Nature:

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/study-west-antarctic-melt-a-slow-affair

(Lots of mainstream media which presented this study did that wrong, and told the public the opposite of what the study actually says.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nelsonleith. Here&#8217;s a description of in media re-used pictures of the Wilkins Ice Shelf catastrophe (sic!):</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/17/the-antarctic-wilkins-ice-shelf-collapse-media-recycles-photos-and-storylines-from-previous-years/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/17/the-antarctic-wilkins-ice-shelf-collapse-media-recycles-photos-and-storylines-from-previous-years/</a></p>
<p>West Antarctica will not start to collapse in at least 100 years, and the collapse will takes thousands of years, according to the best science available &#8212; a quite new study in journal Nature:</p>
<p><a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/study-west-antarctic-melt-a-slow-affair" rel="nofollow">http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/study-west-antarctic-melt-a-slow-affair</a></p>
<p>(Lots of mainstream media which presented this study did that wrong, and told the public the opposite of what the study actually says.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John W.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/16/listening-to-the-antarctic-ice-shelves-they-say-no-climate-change/#comment-145412</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.com/?p=8533#comment-145412</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Francis (19:45:31) : 

...

Antarctica is certainly not as important to AGW theory as, say, its sea ice is to skeptic argumentation.&lt;/i&gt;


As a follow up to Graeme Rodaughan&#039;s response, you need to go to RC and tell them they&#039;ve been mistaken in looking at Antarctic conditions.  Be sure to come back and let us know how that works out for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Francis (19:45:31) : </p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Antarctica is certainly not as important to AGW theory as, say, its sea ice is to skeptic argumentation.</i></p>
<p>As a follow up to Graeme Rodaughan&#8217;s response, you need to go to RC and tell them they&#8217;ve been mistaken in looking at Antarctic conditions.  Be sure to come back and let us know how that works out for you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

