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	<title>Comments on: Quote of the week #9 &#8211; &#8220;negative thermometers&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: TCO</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/quote-of-the-week-9-negative-thermometers/#comment-150522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TCO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff Id and Ryan have both modified their opposition to negative weightings of thermometer data.  Perhaps you should update the post to reflect that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Id and Ryan have both modified their opposition to negative weightings of thermometer data.  Perhaps you should update the post to reflect that.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/quote-of-the-week-9-negative-thermometers/#comment-144684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.M.Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Mike Bryant (05:44:24) :  Unfortunately, all our money is likely to be imaginary on our present track. Perhaps that is the necessary corollary to imaginary science.&lt;/i&gt;

Um, not to be painfully pedantic, but technically our present medium of exchange fails the definition of &quot;money&quot; and ought to be properly called &quot;currency&quot;.

A currency is a medium of exchange.  Money adds to the definition that it ought to also be a &quot;store of value&quot;.  Back when our currency was silver certificates and our coinage was silver, it was proper to call our currency &quot;money&quot; since the value was properly stored.

In the early &#039;60s we dropped the silver from the coinage and cut the link to silver and gold for paper money.  At that point our (U.S. Dollar) currency became a &quot;fiat currency&quot; - one that only has value because we say it has value.  There is no intrinsic value.  A &quot;fiat currency&quot; has no ability to act as a reasonable &quot;store of value&quot; and so is not properly &quot;money&quot; (modulo a painfully pedantic argument about very short time periods of value storage while you cash and spend your cheque...)

In a very real sense, all fiat currency is &quot;imaginary money&quot; and so it is too late.  We already have only imaginary money... 

(And gold has &quot;risen&quot; from $270 / oz to near $1000 / oz in the last few years... )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mike Bryant (05:44:24) :  Unfortunately, all our money is likely to be imaginary on our present track. Perhaps that is the necessary corollary to imaginary science.</i></p>
<p>Um, not to be painfully pedantic, but technically our present medium of exchange fails the definition of &#8220;money&#8221; and ought to be properly called &#8220;currency&#8221;.</p>
<p>A currency is a medium of exchange.  Money adds to the definition that it ought to also be a &#8220;store of value&#8221;.  Back when our currency was silver certificates and our coinage was silver, it was proper to call our currency &#8220;money&#8221; since the value was properly stored.</p>
<p>In the early &#8217;60s we dropped the silver from the coinage and cut the link to silver and gold for paper money.  At that point our (U.S. Dollar) currency became a &#8220;fiat currency&#8221; &#8211; one that only has value because we say it has value.  There is no intrinsic value.  A &#8220;fiat currency&#8221; has no ability to act as a reasonable &#8220;store of value&#8221; and so is not properly &#8220;money&#8221; (modulo a painfully pedantic argument about very short time periods of value storage while you cash and spend your cheque&#8230;)</p>
<p>In a very real sense, all fiat currency is &#8220;imaginary money&#8221; and so it is too late.  We already have only imaginary money&#8230; </p>
<p>(And gold has &#8220;risen&#8221; from $270 / oz to near $1000 / oz in the last few years&#8230; )</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sherrington</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/quote-of-the-week-9-negative-thermometers/#comment-144173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sherrington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The following is not so much a negative thermometer, but an addition to the library of how temperature sensors and housings of different design can differ.

http://www.wmo.ch/pages/prog/www/IMOP/WebPortal-AWS/Tests/ITR649.pdf

&quot;A Preliminary Investigation of Temperature Screen Design and Their
Impacts on Temperature Measurements&quot;
Jane Warne
Physics Laboratory, OEB 09 June 1998

Worth reading to see the magnitude of the differences in overlap periods and the (then, maybe still) inability to explain the discrepancies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following is not so much a negative thermometer, but an addition to the library of how temperature sensors and housings of different design can differ.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wmo.ch/pages/prog/www/IMOP/WebPortal-AWS/Tests/ITR649.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wmo.ch/pages/prog/www/IMOP/WebPortal-AWS/Tests/ITR649.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;A Preliminary Investigation of Temperature Screen Design and Their<br />
Impacts on Temperature Measurements&#8221;<br />
Jane Warne<br />
Physics Laboratory, OEB 09 June 1998</p>
<p>Worth reading to see the magnitude of the differences in overlap periods and the (then, maybe still) inability to explain the discrepancies.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/quote-of-the-week-9-negative-thermometers/#comment-143501</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The consequent funding to the IPCC would therefore be -IB*(RC* I$+IC*R$). Noting that the imaginary components IB, I$ and IC can be anything at all, including negative numbers, this funding can be anything at all. The Linear Theory of complex temperatures and $s therefore agrees exactly with the possible future costs of abatement of “carbon” emmisions and funding of the IPCC:
Real costs = $0
Real funding to IPCC= $anything you want&quot;-DavidC

I hope there is some validity to this theory since I really like the idea of paying carbon taxes with imaginary money. Unfortunately, all our money is likely to be imaginary on our present track. Perhaps that is the necessary corollary to imaginary science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The consequent funding to the IPCC would therefore be -IB*(RC* I$+IC*R$). Noting that the imaginary components IB, I$ and IC can be anything at all, including negative numbers, this funding can be anything at all. The Linear Theory of complex temperatures and $s therefore agrees exactly with the possible future costs of abatement of “carbon” emmisions and funding of the IPCC:<br />
Real costs = $0<br />
Real funding to IPCC= $anything you want&#8221;-DavidC</p>
<p>I hope there is some validity to this theory since I really like the idea of paying carbon taxes with imaginary money. Unfortunately, all our money is likely to be imaginary on our present track. Perhaps that is the necessary corollary to imaginary science.</p>
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		<title>By: hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hunter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[david c,
You are on to something important.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david c,<br />
You are on to something important.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Ogilvie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Ogilvie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of fun comments but I think that the main reason they use Celsius is that it looks more impressive. When the worlds temperature goes from 16 degrees to 17 degrees that doesn&#039;t sound like much, but compare to how it sounds going from 289 degrees Kelvin to 290 degrees Kelvin.

Think of how that chart would look going from 271 to 279.

A year or two ago I read on-line a newspaper article that claimed that local temperatures had doubled from +2 C. to +4 C. Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!

PS: I probably got the link from here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of fun comments but I think that the main reason they use Celsius is that it looks more impressive. When the worlds temperature goes from 16 degrees to 17 degrees that doesn&#8217;t sound like much, but compare to how it sounds going from 289 degrees Kelvin to 290 degrees Kelvin.</p>
<p>Think of how that chart would look going from 271 to 279.</p>
<p>A year or two ago I read on-line a newspaper article that claimed that local temperatures had doubled from +2 C. to +4 C. Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>PS: I probably got the link from here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: H.R.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[H.R.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@davidc (02:54:09) : 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Imaginary temperatures might not exist but they can be useful nevertheless, at least if you also allow imaginary $s. [...] Noting that the imaginary components IB, I$ and IC can be anything at all, including negative numbers, this funding can be anything at all. The Linear Theory of complex temperatures and $s therefore agrees exactly with the possible future costs of abatement of “carbon” emmisions and funding of the IPCC:

Real costs = $0
Real funding to IPCC= $anything you want&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Spot on. My $check for further funding of the of the $urgent $work of the IPCC is in the $mail.  ;o)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@davidc (02:54:09) : </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Imaginary temperatures might not exist but they can be useful nevertheless, at least if you also allow imaginary $s. [...] Noting that the imaginary components IB, I$ and IC can be anything at all, including negative numbers, this funding can be anything at all. The Linear Theory of complex temperatures and $s therefore agrees exactly with the possible future costs of abatement of “carbon” emmisions and funding of the IPCC:</p>
<p>Real costs = $0<br />
Real funding to IPCC= $anything you want&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Spot on. My $check for further funding of the of the $urgent $work of the IPCC is in the $mail.  ;o)</p>
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		<title>By: davidc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[davidc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Imaginary temperatures might not exist but they can be useful nevertheless, at least if you also allow imaginary $s. Suppose the complex temperature rise is C=RC+iIC and the complex cost of abatement per complex degree C is the complex dollar amount $=R$+iI$. The total real cost of abatement is the Real part of C*$. Since C*$ = RC*R$ + i(RC*I$+IC*R$)-IC*IR the Real part of $*IC is R$*RC-IC*I$. Since IC and I$ are the imaginary components we can make them anything we want without altering the Real parts of C and $. So if we choose the imaginary components such that IC*I$=RC*R$ the total real cost is zero, which is very cheap. As for the leftover imaginary component we can pass that on to the IPCC. Since the benefit of funding this community is imaginary let it be iIB per imaginary $. The consequent funding to the IPCC would therefore be -IB*(RC* I$+IC*R$). Noting that the imaginary components IB, I$ and IC can be anything at all, including negative numbers, this funding can  be anything at all. The Linear Theory of complex temperatures and $s therefore agrees exactly with the possible future costs of abatement of &quot;carbon&quot; emmisions and funding of the IPCC:

Real costs = $0
Real funding to IPCC= $anything you want]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imaginary temperatures might not exist but they can be useful nevertheless, at least if you also allow imaginary $s. Suppose the complex temperature rise is C=RC+iIC and the complex cost of abatement per complex degree C is the complex dollar amount $=R$+iI$. The total real cost of abatement is the Real part of C*$. Since C*$ = RC*R$ + i(RC*I$+IC*R$)-IC*IR the Real part of $*IC is R$*RC-IC*I$. Since IC and I$ are the imaginary components we can make them anything we want without altering the Real parts of C and $. So if we choose the imaginary components such that IC*I$=RC*R$ the total real cost is zero, which is very cheap. As for the leftover imaginary component we can pass that on to the IPCC. Since the benefit of funding this community is imaginary let it be iIB per imaginary $. The consequent funding to the IPCC would therefore be -IB*(RC* I$+IC*R$). Noting that the imaginary components IB, I$ and IC can be anything at all, including negative numbers, this funding can  be anything at all. The Linear Theory of complex temperatures and $s therefore agrees exactly with the possible future costs of abatement of &#8220;carbon&#8221; emmisions and funding of the IPCC:</p>
<p>Real costs = $0<br />
Real funding to IPCC= $anything you want</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio San</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/quote-of-the-week-9-negative-thermometers/#comment-143427</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio San]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob, these atmospheric scientists should have attended lectures by Marcel Leroux and it would have explained the effects they are now blaming on Global warming to them and to the reviewers at the always obliging JGR...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, these atmospheric scientists should have attended lectures by Marcel Leroux and it would have explained the effects they are now blaming on Global warming to them and to the reviewers at the always obliging JGR&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bob paglee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob paglee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As if to add to those worries about negative temperatures, an Associated Press article today warns about the onset of negative winds.  It cites a &quot;preliminary&quot; study authored by Sara Pryor, an atmospheric scientist at Indiana University, and Eugene Talke, a professor of atmospheric science at Ohio State University (sic).  Their study &quot;... will be published in August in the Journal of Geophysical Research.&quot;   It &quot;...does raise a new side effect of global warming&quot; by claiming that global warming is creating big drops in wind speed (maybe 10% over a decade) in places such as &quot;Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Kansas, Virginia, Louisiana, Georgia northern Maine, and western Montana.&quot;  Worse yet, the article questions whether global warming therefore may make wind farms uneconomic in places.  Imagine that!  Is there anything left that can&#039;t be blamed on &quot;global warming?

Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if to add to those worries about negative temperatures, an Associated Press article today warns about the onset of negative winds.  It cites a &#8220;preliminary&#8221; study authored by Sara Pryor, an atmospheric scientist at Indiana University, and Eugene Talke, a professor of atmospheric science at Ohio State University (sic).  Their study &#8220;&#8230; will be published in August in the Journal of Geophysical Research.&#8221;   It &#8220;&#8230;does raise a new side effect of global warming&#8221; by claiming that global warming is creating big drops in wind speed (maybe 10% over a decade) in places such as &#8220;Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Kansas, Virginia, Louisiana, Georgia northern Maine, and western Montana.&#8221;  Worse yet, the article questions whether global warming therefore may make wind farms uneconomic in places.  Imagine that!  Is there anything left that can&#8217;t be blamed on &#8220;global warming?</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Perdicaro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Perdicaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The original Celsius scale was inverted from the one we use today. 
Steam at 0, ice at 100. 

(Yeah, do a Google search for &quot;inverted centigrade scale&quot; and read.)

So perhaps they were using priceless antique original Celsius 
instruments.    More likely they are just fudging the data.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original Celsius scale was inverted from the one we use today.<br />
Steam at 0, ice at 100. </p>
<p>(Yeah, do a Google search for &#8220;inverted centigrade scale&#8221; and read.)</p>
<p>So perhaps they were using priceless antique original Celsius<br />
instruments.    More likely they are just fudging the data.</p>
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		<title>By: jack morrow</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jack morrow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are 2 places to put a negative thermometer and one is in the trash basket.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 2 places to put a negative thermometer and one is in the trash basket.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[K:
How about that? (nervous, sheepish laugh) Never mind.
a]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>K:<br />
How about that? (nervous, sheepish laugh) Never mind.<br />
a</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Moore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 23:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That thermometer is used in experiments regarding Thiotimoline

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Thiotimoline]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That thermometer is used in experiments regarding Thiotimoline</p>
<p><a href="http://wapedia.mobi/en/Thiotimoline" rel="nofollow">http://wapedia.mobi/en/Thiotimoline</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We haev to get the temperature to go up...

Waitresses cover up against cold as burned Maine coffee shop reopens in tent

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS – 1 day ago 

VASSALBORO, Maine — A topless coffee shop in Maine is now shopless after a fire.

But waitresses are serving coffee again after the Grand View Coffee Shop in Vassalboro, just north of Augusta, returned to business this week in a tent. One difference though.

The waitresses are covering up because of a recent cold snap, with many of them sporting sweat shirts.

Owner Donald Crabtree says the waitresses are volunteering their time and working for tips as he spruces up a couple of rooms that weren&#039;t damaged by the fire that ravaged his shop in a converted motel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We haev to get the temperature to go up&#8230;</p>
<p>Waitresses cover up against cold as burned Maine coffee shop reopens in tent</p>
<p>By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS – 1 day ago </p>
<p>VASSALBORO, Maine — A topless coffee shop in Maine is now shopless after a fire.</p>
<p>But waitresses are serving coffee again after the Grand View Coffee Shop in Vassalboro, just north of Augusta, returned to business this week in a tent. One difference though.</p>
<p>The waitresses are covering up because of a recent cold snap, with many of them sporting sweat shirts.</p>
<p>Owner Donald Crabtree says the waitresses are volunteering their time and working for tips as he spruces up a couple of rooms that weren&#8217;t damaged by the fire that ravaged his shop in a converted motel.</p>
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