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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/mars-today-widget-now-on-wuwt/#comment-144688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.M.Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Smokey (05:28:41) :
From the RealClimate comment reported by press above:
Third and most important, Watt’s little science project was conducted with no understanding of the processing algorithms used for the data. He has no way of knowing whether any of the issues he has documented have any effect on the record. [...]

That, folks, is a tantrum.&lt;/i&gt;

Yup.  And given that I&#039;ve published the relevant bits of the code along with the effects of that code on the product in postings here on WUWT which have been moderated and /or read, in many cases by our host, I think it is demonstrably false to say &quot;no understanding of the processing algorithms&quot;. 

While I&#039;d felt a bit like I was pushing the envelope into a &quot;too tech&quot; computer geek flavor ... I&#039;m now happy I did so; since is serves as an existence proof that the &quot;processing algorithms&quot; have been discussed here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Smokey (05:28:41) :<br />
From the RealClimate comment reported by press above:<br />
Third and most important, Watt’s little science project was conducted with no understanding of the processing algorithms used for the data. He has no way of knowing whether any of the issues he has documented have any effect on the record. [...]</p>
<p>That, folks, is a tantrum.</i></p>
<p>Yup.  And given that I&#8217;ve published the relevant bits of the code along with the effects of that code on the product in postings here on WUWT which have been moderated and /or read, in many cases by our host, I think it is demonstrably false to say &#8220;no understanding of the processing algorithms&#8221;. </p>
<p>While I&#8217;d felt a bit like I was pushing the envelope into a &#8220;too tech&#8221; computer geek flavor &#8230; I&#8217;m now happy I did so; since is serves as an existence proof that the &#8220;processing algorithms&#8221; have been discussed here.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Zalotocky</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Zalotocky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 03:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Ball, this article argues that the lines Lowell observed on both Mars and Venus were caused by his unusual observing technique, which resulted in him seeing the shadows of the blood vessels in his eye:

http://www.shpltd.co.uk/sheehan-venus.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Ball, this article argues that the lines Lowell observed on both Mars and Venus were caused by his unusual observing technique, which resulted in him seeing the shadows of the blood vessels in his eye:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shpltd.co.uk/sheehan-venus.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.shpltd.co.uk/sheehan-venus.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Hladik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Hladik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Anthony, for the new widget.  It takes me back to when I was a kid first learning about the solar system.

The bit about Mars being in late northern spring looks like an error on the &quot;Mars Today&quot; web site.  According to this site

http://www.dustymars.net/2010_MARS.htm

the southern summer solstice was May 22, 2009 (scroll down to &quot;Calendar of Events&quot;).

Now if can only persuade my wife to get me a telescope for her birthday...  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Anthony, for the new widget.  It takes me back to when I was a kid first learning about the solar system.</p>
<p>The bit about Mars being in late northern spring looks like an error on the &#8220;Mars Today&#8221; web site.  According to this site</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dustymars.net/2010_MARS.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dustymars.net/2010_MARS.htm</a></p>
<p>the southern summer solstice was May 22, 2009 (scroll down to &#8220;Calendar of Events&#8221;).</p>
<p>Now if can only persuade my wife to get me a telescope for her birthday&#8230;  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom_R</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom_R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Betelgeuse were to supernova I have my doubts we&#039;ll be &#039;perfectly safe.&#039;  The neutrino flux alone should be high enough to cause noticible effect on Earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Betelgeuse were to supernova I have my doubts we&#8217;ll be &#8216;perfectly safe.&#8217;  The neutrino flux alone should be high enough to cause noticible effect on Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: rephelan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rephelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[press (09:58:34) :

Not exactly....  If (big IF) Betelgeuse went nova 600 years ago, then the GCRs will be arriving about the same time we see the nova... and it&#039;s this year, during a deep solar minimum,  it could have a major effect on cloud formation which would have a  major effect on climate.  Cold is a worse killer than heat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>press (09:58:34) :</p>
<p>Not exactly&#8230;.  If (big IF) Betelgeuse went nova 600 years ago, then the GCRs will be arriving about the same time we see the nova&#8230; and it&#8217;s this year, during a deep solar minimum,  it could have a major effect on cloud formation which would have a  major effect on climate.  Cold is a worse killer than heat.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arthur Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not easy keeping verb tenses straight when there is no universal time frame for cosmic events:

“It&#039;s possible we&#039;re observing the beginning of Betelgeuse&#039;s final collapse now.

If so, the star, which is 600 light-years away, will already have exploded — and we&#039;ll soon be in for a spectacular, and perfectly safe, interstellar fireworks show.”

That future perfect tense illustrates the problem, An event that is present or even future from the frame of reference of the earth, is past from the frame of reference within which the event occurred.

This seems to be a good site

http://www.astro.illinois.edu/~jkaler/sow/betelgeuse.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not easy keeping verb tenses straight when there is no universal time frame for cosmic events:</p>
<p>“It&#8217;s possible we&#8217;re observing the beginning of Betelgeuse&#8217;s final collapse now.</p>
<p>If so, the star, which is 600 light-years away, will already have exploded — and we&#8217;ll soon be in for a spectacular, and perfectly safe, interstellar fireworks show.”</p>
<p>That future perfect tense illustrates the problem, An event that is present or even future from the frame of reference of the earth, is past from the frame of reference within which the event occurred.</p>
<p>This seems to be a good site</p>
<p><a href="http://www.astro.illinois.edu/~jkaler/sow/betelgeuse.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.astro.illinois.edu/~jkaler/sow/betelgeuse.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Arthur Glass</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/10/mars-today-widget-now-on-wuwt/#comment-143188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Arthur Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Mars/MarsThePlanet/MarsCanals.html

&quot;An example of confusion about Mars is found in the famous canals on Mars, They reportedly were first observed by Italian priest Pietro Secchi in 1876. Then Giovanni Schiaparelli published a map of Mars in 1877. He assigned names to bright and dark features which included a large number of straight-line features that Schiaparelli and Secchi called &quot;canali.&quot; The mistranslation in English-speaking countries of &quot;canali&quot; into &quot;canal,&quot; instead of the correct &quot;channel,&quot; brought a misleading connotation of artificial construction by Martians that had not been intended by Schiaparelli and Secchi.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Mars/MarsThePlanet/MarsCanals.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Mars/MarsThePlanet/MarsCanals.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;An example of confusion about Mars is found in the famous canals on Mars, They reportedly were first observed by Italian priest Pietro Secchi in 1876. Then Giovanni Schiaparelli published a map of Mars in 1877. He assigned names to bright and dark features which included a large number of straight-line features that Schiaparelli and Secchi called &#8220;canali.&#8221; The mistranslation in English-speaking countries of &#8220;canali&#8221; into &#8220;canal,&#8221; instead of the correct &#8220;channel,&#8221; brought a misleading connotation of artificial construction by Martians that had not been intended by Schiaparelli and Secchi.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: press</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[press]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey steve as your article explains it could have been 600 light years ago already. Not something that we have to give a --- about really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey steve as your article explains it could have been 600 light years ago already. Not something that we have to give a &#8212; about really.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very Off Topic... See Reports about the Star Betelgeuse may be ready to go Nova or Super Nova.  

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525695,00.html

Mega Cosmic Rays during  a solar Minimum.

Draw your own conclusions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very Off Topic&#8230; See Reports about the Star Betelgeuse may be ready to go Nova or Super Nova.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525695,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525695,00.html</a></p>
<p>Mega Cosmic Rays during  a solar Minimum.</p>
<p>Draw your own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick W</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since the trend is OT:  Can anyone explain the upward bump in the sea ice extent that seems to occur each June?  Apologies if previously covered.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Covered a half dozen times at least- seasonal adjustment to compensate for meltwater on top of the ice, which would ordinarily be viewed as &quot;open water&quot;. - Anthony]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the trend is OT:  Can anyone explain the upward bump in the sea ice extent that seems to occur each June?  Apologies if previously covered.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Covered a half dozen times at least- seasonal adjustment to compensate for meltwater on top of the ice, which would ordinarily be viewed as &#8220;open water&#8221;. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: press</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[press]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, have to say that I give credit to Real Climate for posting my response. I agree the commenters on that site and sometimes this one do not respond to or rebut claims responsibly. If you want to debate science then do it and give valid reasons for doing so. Insults and rants are not valid arguments. In my opinion the main object is to try and establish &quot; for the sake of all of us &quot; what is going on. It does not help when work like this and valid science is discredited &quot;out of hand &quot; because it does not fit a particular agenda or belief.

Lets do this responsibly and look at both sides of the debate without being arseholes and admit &quot; painfull as it may be&quot; when you are wrong. There is no shame in being honest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, have to say that I give credit to Real Climate for posting my response. I agree the commenters on that site and sometimes this one do not respond to or rebut claims responsibly. If you want to debate science then do it and give valid reasons for doing so. Insults and rants are not valid arguments. In my opinion the main object is to try and establish &#8221; for the sake of all of us &#8221; what is going on. It does not help when work like this and valid science is discredited &#8220;out of hand &#8221; because it does not fit a particular agenda or belief.</p>
<p>Lets do this responsibly and look at both sides of the debate without being arseholes and admit &#8221; painfull as it may be&#8221; when you are wrong. There is no shame in being honest.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As for the canals apparition that Percival Lowell claimes to have observed on Mars with the aid of an 18&quot; refractor and a 24&quot; Alvan Clark refractor, I don&#039;t know of anyone else who was using such a large and exceptional instrument at the time in an area of good seeing.  He even had the 24&quot; temporariy located in a site in Mexico with better seeing for the Dec 1896 opposition.
Who looked with Lowell at the time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the canals apparition that Percival Lowell claimes to have observed on Mars with the aid of an 18&#8243; refractor and a 24&#8243; Alvan Clark refractor, I don&#8217;t know of anyone else who was using such a large and exceptional instrument at the time in an area of good seeing.  He even had the 24&#8243; temporariy located in a site in Mexico with better seeing for the Dec 1896 opposition.<br />
Who looked with Lowell at the time?</p>
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		<title>By: Pearland Aggie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pearland Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT, but interesting post on UHI at Jennifer Marohasy...

&lt;b&gt;Hot City or Global Warming?&lt;/b&gt;
http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/hot-city-or-global-warming/

&lt;i&gt;Overall one would have to say the Bureau data suggests no significant warming over the last century and in particular the last 3 decades in Victoria.  On the other hand it does show significant UHI.  Consider that an increase of 1.5C in the minimums for Melbourne over the last 3 decades corresponds to 5C per century.  Averaging the minimum and maximum readings yields a rise from 14.7C to 15.7C over 30 years equating to 3.3C per century and Melbourne is far from the worst city in the world for UHI.  Look also at how non linear the UHI rise really is.  Compare that with a linear allowance of 0.06C per century.  For that to be appropriate it would mean that only 1 in 50 sites is showing the same degree of UHI as does Melbourne and the other 49 show no UHI at all, even then the linear allowance is not correct.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but interesting post on UHI at Jennifer Marohasy&#8230;</p>
<p><b>Hot City or Global Warming?</b><br />
<a href="http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/hot-city-or-global-warming/" rel="nofollow">http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/06/hot-city-or-global-warming/</a></p>
<p><i>Overall one would have to say the Bureau data suggests no significant warming over the last century and in particular the last 3 decades in Victoria.  On the other hand it does show significant UHI.  Consider that an increase of 1.5C in the minimums for Melbourne over the last 3 decades corresponds to 5C per century.  Averaging the minimum and maximum readings yields a rise from 14.7C to 15.7C over 30 years equating to 3.3C per century and Melbourne is far from the worst city in the world for UHI.  Look also at how non linear the UHI rise really is.  Compare that with a linear allowance of 0.06C per century.  For that to be appropriate it would mean that only 1 in 50 sites is showing the same degree of UHI as does Melbourne and the other 49 show no UHI at all, even then the linear allowance is not correct.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
Sea Level... Still no update one year later.

http://www.geo.unizh.ch/wgms/mbb/mbb10/sum07.html
Glaciers... At least three years behind. 

It seems that these critical times would at least demand timely data updates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT</p>
<p><a href="http://sealevel.colorado.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://sealevel.colorado.edu/</a><br />
Sea Level&#8230; Still no update one year later.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geo.unizh.ch/wgms/mbb/mbb10/sum07.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geo.unizh.ch/wgms/mbb/mbb10/sum07.html</a><br />
Glaciers&#8230; At least three years behind. </p>
<p>It seems that these critical times would at least demand timely data updates.</p>
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		<title>By: Squidly</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Squidly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT: Just had to laugh and post this.  This from RC&#039;s latest post from Gavin Schmidt:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Alert readers will have noticed the fewer-than-normal postings over the last couple of weeks. This is related mostly to pressures associated with real work (remember that we do have day jobs). In my case, it is because of the preparations for the next IPCC assessment and the need for our group to &lt;b&gt;have a functioning and reasonably realistic climate model with which to start the new round of simulations.&lt;/b&gt; These all need to be up and running very quickly if we are going to make the early 2010 deadlines.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The &lt;b&gt;emboldened&lt;/b&gt; portion just kills me, and I think it speaks volumes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: Just had to laugh and post this.  This from RC&#8217;s latest post from Gavin Schmidt:</p>
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Alert readers will have noticed the fewer-than-normal postings over the last couple of weeks. This is related mostly to pressures associated with real work (remember that we do have day jobs). In my case, it is because of the preparations for the next IPCC assessment and the need for our group to <b>have a functioning and reasonably realistic climate model with which to start the new round of simulations.</b> These all need to be up and running very quickly if we are going to make the early 2010 deadlines.
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<p>The <b>emboldened</b> portion just kills me, and I think it speaks volumes!</p>
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