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	<title>Comments on: Air France Flight 447: A detailed meteorological analysis</title>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-153102</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few more clues/corrections:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/world/europe/03airfrance.html?ref=global-home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Inquiry Finds French Flight Struck Ocean Intact&lt;/a&gt;
By NICOLA CLARK and MATTHEW L. WALD
Published: July 2, 2009

&lt;blockquote&gt;PARIS — The Air France Airbus 330 that crashed into the Atlantic on June 1, killing all 228 people aboard, did not break up in the air but rather hit the water intact, French investigators said on Thursday.
. . .
 One of the maintenance messages indicated a rapid change in cabin pressure, which might have meant depressurization. But depressurization could occur without breakup, experts said.

Alain Bouillard, who is leading the French investigation, said that “visual examination of the debris shows that the plane hit with the bottom of its fuselage with very strong vertical acceleration.” Shelves in the galley had compressed to the bottom, he said, among other evidence.  . . .&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more clues/corrections:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/world/europe/03airfrance.html?ref=global-home" rel="nofollow">Inquiry Finds French Flight Struck Ocean Intact</a><br />
By NICOLA CLARK and MATTHEW L. WALD<br />
Published: July 2, 2009</p>
<blockquote><p>PARIS — The Air France Airbus 330 that crashed into the Atlantic on June 1, killing all 228 people aboard, did not break up in the air but rather hit the water intact, French investigators said on Thursday.<br />
. . .<br />
 One of the maintenance messages indicated a rapid change in cabin pressure, which might have meant depressurization. But depressurization could occur without breakup, experts said.</p>
<p>Alain Bouillard, who is leading the French investigation, said that “visual examination of the debris shows that the plane hit with the bottom of its fuselage with very strong vertical acceleration.” Shelves in the galley had compressed to the bottom, he said, among other evidence.  . . .</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-144039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6493728.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crash jet ‘split in two at high altitude’&lt;/a&gt;
THE Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic with 228 people on board broke apart before it hit the water . . . based on the discovery of two trails of bodies more than 50 miles apart, suggesting that the Airbus split in two after going out of control in bad weather and turbulence during its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris on June 1. . . . The absence of any traces of an explosion, such as burn marks or inhaled smoke, supports the view of investigators that the disaster was caused by a combination of factors, possibly beginning with the blockage of speed sensors. . . .
One theory is that the “inconsistent” speed readings caused the automatic pilot to disengage, leaving the crew trying to fly manually – a difficult task at high altitude without knowing the plane’s speed.

It has emerged that the same sequence of events occurred in six cockpit emergencies reported by Airbus pilots over a year beginning in February 2008. . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6493728.ece" rel="nofollow">Crash jet ‘split in two at high altitude’</a><br />
THE Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic with 228 people on board broke apart before it hit the water . . . based on the discovery of two trails of bodies more than 50 miles apart, suggesting that the Airbus split in two after going out of control in bad weather and turbulence during its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris on June 1. . . . The absence of any traces of an explosion, such as burn marks or inhaled smoke, supports the view of investigators that the disaster was caused by a combination of factors, possibly beginning with the blockage of speed sensors. . . .<br />
One theory is that the “inconsistent” speed readings caused the automatic pilot to disengage, leaving the crew trying to fly manually – a difficult task at high altitude without knowing the plane’s speed.</p>
<p>It has emerged that the same sequence of events occurred in six cockpit emergencies reported by Airbus pilots over a year beginning in February 2008. . . .</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-143508</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://townhall.com/news/world/2009/06/11/ids_of_air_france_victims_could_prove_jet_broke_up?page=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; IDs of Air France victims could prove jet broke up &lt;/a&gt;By MARCO SIBAJA and ALAN CLENDENNING et al. AP, Townhall.com Thursday, June 11, 2009
&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the messages showed a change of cabin pressure equal to an altitude change of more than 1,800 feet (548 meters) per minute, said Airbus spokesman Stefan Schaffrath.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://townhall.com/news/world/2009/06/11/ids_of_air_france_victims_could_prove_jet_broke_up?page=2" rel="nofollow"> IDs of Air France victims could prove jet broke up </a>By MARCO SIBAJA and ALAN CLENDENNING et al. AP, Townhall.com Thursday, June 11, 2009</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the messages showed a change of cabin pressure equal to an altitude change of more than 1,800 feet (548 meters) per minute, said Airbus spokesman Stefan Schaffrath.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: James Ridgeway</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-143356</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Ridgeway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 01:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the news now is that a paris lawyer named sophie battai has entered the scene as a plaintiff&#039;s attorney in the investigation representing families and seeking information about records pertaining to the plane&#039;s safety.does anyone know anything about her or this situation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the news now is that a paris lawyer named sophie battai has entered the scene as a plaintiff&#8217;s attorney in the investigation representing families and seeking information about records pertaining to the plane&#8217;s safety.does anyone know anything about her or this situation?</p>
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		<title>By: Heinz Rust</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Heinz Rust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i don&#039;t have a comment but a question. 
can anybody tell me what are the prevailing winds on UN873, FL 300 between cape verde and natal  in september
thanks
h]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t have a comment but a question.<br />
can anybody tell me what are the prevailing winds on UN873, FL 300 between cape verde and natal  in september<br />
thanks<br />
h</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-142317</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 22:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/world/europe/10iht-plane.html?ref=europe&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Air France to Replace Airspeed Sensors&lt;/a&gt;
By NICOLA CLARK, NYT June 9, 2009
&lt;blockquote&gt;PARIS — Air France, facing pressure from some of its pilots after the crash of one of its airliners last week, has decided to immediately replace airspeed sensors on all of its A330 and A340 jets, union representatives said Tuesday. . . .&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/world/europe/10iht-plane.html?ref=europe" rel="nofollow">Air France to Replace Airspeed Sensors</a><br />
By NICOLA CLARK, NYT June 9, 2009</p>
<blockquote><p>PARIS — Air France, facing pressure from some of its pilots after the crash of one of its airliners last week, has decided to immediately replace airspeed sensors on all of its A330 and A340 jets, union representatives said Tuesday. . . .</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-141940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98MRVQO0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Crews find vertical stabilizer in Air France crash&lt;/a&gt; AP June 8, 2009

&lt;blockquote&gt;William Waldock, who teaches air crash investigation at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona, . .  .Waldock — who examined the photos and video of the stabilizer and rudder — said the damage he saw looks like a lateral fracture.

&quot;That would reinforce the idea that the plane broke up in flight,&quot; he said. &quot;If it hits intact, everything shatters in tiny pieces.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOegnahAFcEgwJZ4WKGkVz9Dgq5wD98MRVQO0" rel="nofollow">Crews find vertical stabilizer in Air France crash</a> AP June 8, 2009</p>
<blockquote><p>William Waldock, who teaches air crash investigation at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona, . .  .Waldock — who examined the photos and video of the stabilizer and rudder — said the damage he saw looks like a lateral fracture.</p>
<p>&#8220;That would reinforce the idea that the plane broke up in flight,&#8221; he said. &#8220;If it hits intact, everything shatters in tiny pieces.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: adoucette</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[adoucette]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tail looks similar to the photos of the composite tail from the AA587 crash (see my previous post).
The fact that the tail looks mostly intact makes me suspect, that like AA587, that the tail most likely failed at the attachment points.

http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/587crash/splash_image.jpg

Arthur]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tail looks similar to the photos of the composite tail from the AA587 crash (see my previous post).<br />
The fact that the tail looks mostly intact makes me suspect, that like AA587, that the tail most likely failed at the attachment points.</p>
<p><a href="http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/587crash/splash_image.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour/bb/transportation/587crash/splash_image.jpg</a></p>
<p>Arthur</p>
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		<title>By: James Ridgeway</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Ridgeway]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there anything that comes to mind by looking at initial photos of the tail?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there anything that comes to mind by looking at initial photos of the tail?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo M.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/03/air-france-flight-447-a-detailed-meteorological-analysis/#comment-141522</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hugo M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found one thing really disgusting: beginning with the very first day, when no one could know for sure what really had happened to the plane, the press (the French gouvernment) started to assert that the Airbus had crashed and there would be no hope for survivors. Then they underlined that probably the remains of the aircraft would never be found, because the ocean would be so wide. Then we were told, since the oceans would be so deep, it would be almost impossible to locate the flight recorders, and even if these devices could found, they could probably never be retrieved --  draping the story with photographs of deformed black boxes, while concealing that they are constructed double-walled in order to absorb mechanical shocks, as well conceiling that they are equipped with sonar beacons reaching about 6 km. Then, just two days after the accident, they decided to held a religious ceremony in Notre Dame de Paris to mourn the victims - some of them still swimming in the 28° Centigrade warm tropical sea, possibly themselves still praying for help. That made me angry to the extreme. It would have been the damn duty of at least Germany and France to immediately send all available SAR planes to that region before the last survivor died from pulmonary edema. But the Brazil forces were alone for almost a week - and they still almost are. Now each and every new article suggests the public, that probably the beacons and the recorders would have separated from each other.  There is something amiss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found one thing really disgusting: beginning with the very first day, when no one could know for sure what really had happened to the plane, the press (the French gouvernment) started to assert that the Airbus had crashed and there would be no hope for survivors. Then they underlined that probably the remains of the aircraft would never be found, because the ocean would be so wide. Then we were told, since the oceans would be so deep, it would be almost impossible to locate the flight recorders, and even if these devices could found, they could probably never be retrieved &#8212;  draping the story with photographs of deformed black boxes, while concealing that they are constructed double-walled in order to absorb mechanical shocks, as well conceiling that they are equipped with sonar beacons reaching about 6 km. Then, just two days after the accident, they decided to held a religious ceremony in Notre Dame de Paris to mourn the victims &#8211; some of them still swimming in the 28° Centigrade warm tropical sea, possibly themselves still praying for help. That made me angry to the extreme. It would have been the damn duty of at least Germany and France to immediately send all available SAR planes to that region before the last survivor died from pulmonary edema. But the Brazil forces were alone for almost a week &#8211; and they still almost are. Now each and every new article suggests the public, that probably the beacons and the recorders would have separated from each other.  There is something amiss.</p>
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		<title>By: IW</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[IW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So now it looks like the plane did NOT break up at altitude at all. A high altitude stall seems to have been what happened, and then a combination of pilot error and misprogramming of the &quot;computer-knows-best&quot; Airbus systems could have foiled stall recovery (no programmer can anticipate all possible combinations). Also wouldn&#039;t surprise me at all if the pilots decided not to trust *any* of their instruments, and in white-out conditions, flew the bird all the way down. Lots of planes go down in white-out conditions when the pilot decides the instruments are lying to him.

And voila. Airplane in the drink. It breaks up on or near the surface. 

I *really* hope they find the black box. My money is that the fault is on BOTH the pilot and the computer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now it looks like the plane did NOT break up at altitude at all. A high altitude stall seems to have been what happened, and then a combination of pilot error and misprogramming of the &#8220;computer-knows-best&#8221; Airbus systems could have foiled stall recovery (no programmer can anticipate all possible combinations). Also wouldn&#8217;t surprise me at all if the pilots decided not to trust *any* of their instruments, and in white-out conditions, flew the bird all the way down. Lots of planes go down in white-out conditions when the pilot decides the instruments are lying to him.</p>
<p>And voila. Airplane in the drink. It breaks up on or near the surface. </p>
<p>I *really* hope they find the black box. My money is that the fault is on BOTH the pilot and the computer.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL73827&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RPT-Timeline of Airbus speed data problems&lt;/a&gt; Reuters June 7, 2009
&lt;blockquote&gt;. . .Air France notices temporary loss of airspeed data lasting several minutes during cruise on A330/340 jets due to icing.

Air France presses Airbus for a solution. According to the airline, Airbus says using the same sensors recommended for the smaller A320 would not solve the problems witnessed at cruise height and reiterates established operating procedures. . . .
Q1 2009&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL73827" rel="nofollow">RPT-Timeline of Airbus speed data problems</a> Reuters June 7, 2009</p>
<blockquote><p>. . .Air France notices temporary loss of airspeed data lasting several minutes during cruise on A330/340 jets due to icing.</p>
<p>Air France presses Airbus for a solution. According to the airline, Airbus says using the same sensors recommended for the smaller A320 would not solve the problems witnessed at cruise height and reiterates established operating procedures. . . .<br />
Q1 2009</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Keith Minto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keith Minto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 06:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sandy (13:59:11) :

&quot;If a ship goes down beaconed life-boats pop off and automatically inflate. Surely aircraft have similar systems??&quot;

Aircraft frequently fly over water and, sometimes land in water (Hudson River landing).
It puzzles me why aircraft parts,wings especially but also tailplane structures and the lower section of fuselage bodies are not built with foam inserts so that they float.
 I realise that it would take up room but would stop aircraft from sinking to the bottom of wherever it did its watery landing. A larger break-up would yield many floating parts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy (13:59:11) :</p>
<p>&#8220;If a ship goes down beaconed life-boats pop off and automatically inflate. Surely aircraft have similar systems??&#8221;</p>
<p>Aircraft frequently fly over water and, sometimes land in water (Hudson River landing).<br />
It puzzles me why aircraft parts,wings especially but also tailplane structures and the lower section of fuselage bodies are not built with foam inserts so that they float.<br />
 I realise that it would take up room but would stop aircraft from sinking to the bottom of wherever it did its watery landing. A larger break-up would yield many floating parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If a ship goes down beaconed life-boats pop off and automatically inflate. Surely aircraft have similar systems??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a ship goes down beaconed life-boats pop off and automatically inflate. Surely aircraft have similar systems??</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What my point is that there must be PROPER TRACKING of allthe  aeroplanes.
At least the Route taken by aeroplane and LAST POINT OF CONTACT should
Be mapped with Satellite charting.
Now a days Satellite can read car licence plate BUT IT IS FOOLISH TO SEE
HOW COME AN AEROPLANE LOADED WITH 228 PASSENGERS GONE MISSING
AND DAYS AND DAYS PASSED WITHOUT ANY TRACE &gt;&gt;??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What my point is that there must be PROPER TRACKING of allthe  aeroplanes.<br />
At least the Route taken by aeroplane and LAST POINT OF CONTACT should<br />
Be mapped with Satellite charting.<br />
Now a days Satellite can read car licence plate BUT IT IS FOOLISH TO SEE<br />
HOW COME AN AEROPLANE LOADED WITH 228 PASSENGERS GONE MISSING<br />
AND DAYS AND DAYS PASSED WITHOUT ANY TRACE &gt;&gt;??</p>
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