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	<title>Comments on: U.N.&#8217;s &#8216;Global Warming=300,000 Deaths a Year&#8217; Report &#8211; Kofi Annan implies: &#8220;close enough for government work&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Rhys Jaggar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhys Jaggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not everyone uses such silly language.

Please would you highlight Lord Paul Drayson&#039;s address recently?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6422769.ece?Submitted=true

Lord Drayson is a successful bioscience entrepreneur who became a Government Minister relatively recently in the UK.

Just to keep skeptics grounded in the reality that not ALL Governments are totally in thrall to the extremists&#039; messages.....?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everyone uses such silly language.</p>
<p>Please would you highlight Lord Paul Drayson&#8217;s address recently?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6422769.ece?Submitted=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6422769.ece?Submitted=true</a></p>
<p>Lord Drayson is a successful bioscience entrepreneur who became a Government Minister relatively recently in the UK.</p>
<p>Just to keep skeptics grounded in the reality that not ALL Governments are totally in thrall to the extremists&#8217; messages&#8230;..?</p>
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		<title>By: Myron Mesecke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Myron Mesecke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 13:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Off topic but on topic so to speak. I can&#039;t help but think Non Sequitur is talking about CO2 and the IIPC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq

Anthony, if you would rather not have humorous posts on your site please tell me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic but on topic so to speak. I can&#8217;t help but think Non Sequitur is talking about CO2 and the IIPC.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq</a></p>
<p>Anthony, if you would rather not have humorous posts on your site please tell me.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Pearse</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Pearse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it hard to listen to the self righteousness of Annan who won a Nobel Prize for presiding over the massacre of about a million Rawandans, especially since the UN was warned in advance by the UN Commander (Canadian) General Romeo D&#039;Allaire.  Apparently no one was available to answer the phone when he called and no preparations were made when they finally did get the message.  

Also, if 300,000 a year were to be dying from Global Warming, it would be something to be concerned about, but how can our NGO and UN friends calculate this statistic against a background scores of millions killed in conflicts in Africa (one estimate 13million in the last 10 years and this may not be the worst 10 years - I was in Nigeria when over 3million died in the 1960s in civil war and associated disease and starvation: 

http://www.arcuk.org/pages/apology-9m-deaths.htm

 thats more than four times as many a year as our alleged Global Warming deaths and dwarfs what we call the World Wars.  If this was happening in North America, we would be thought to be in need of a head examination if we were to be underscoring such comparatively quiet AGW deaths 

Lets see now: there are 53 countries in Africa that works out to 5,660 AGW deaths a year per country on average - meanwhile over the last 50 years ..... Angola, Congo, Rawanda, Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Darfur, Somalia .... definitely the global warming deaths would be hard to count among the bodies there and lets not forget the despots: Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe - try to count the AGW deaths among the untold hundreds of thousands who have been killed, died of starvation and are now dying of cholera in Zimbabwe because the government has run the country down to social and economic ruin.  I better snip the rest of this before I get on to the deterioration of the Nobel Prize into a political prize over the past few decades.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it hard to listen to the self righteousness of Annan who won a Nobel Prize for presiding over the massacre of about a million Rawandans, especially since the UN was warned in advance by the UN Commander (Canadian) General Romeo D&#8217;Allaire.  Apparently no one was available to answer the phone when he called and no preparations were made when they finally did get the message.  </p>
<p>Also, if 300,000 a year were to be dying from Global Warming, it would be something to be concerned about, but how can our NGO and UN friends calculate this statistic against a background scores of millions killed in conflicts in Africa (one estimate 13million in the last 10 years and this may not be the worst 10 years &#8211; I was in Nigeria when over 3million died in the 1960s in civil war and associated disease and starvation: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.arcuk.org/pages/apology-9m-deaths.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.arcuk.org/pages/apology-9m-deaths.htm</a></p>
<p> thats more than four times as many a year as our alleged Global Warming deaths and dwarfs what we call the World Wars.  If this was happening in North America, we would be thought to be in need of a head examination if we were to be underscoring such comparatively quiet AGW deaths </p>
<p>Lets see now: there are 53 countries in Africa that works out to 5,660 AGW deaths a year per country on average &#8211; meanwhile over the last 50 years &#8230;.. Angola, Congo, Rawanda, Nigeria, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Darfur, Somalia &#8230;. definitely the global warming deaths would be hard to count among the bodies there and lets not forget the despots: Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe &#8211; try to count the AGW deaths among the untold hundreds of thousands who have been killed, died of starvation and are now dying of cholera in Zimbabwe because the government has run the country down to social and economic ruin.  I better snip the rest of this before I get on to the deterioration of the Nobel Prize into a political prize over the past few decades.</p>
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		<title>By: waynen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waynen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope India and China both show up with great nuclear electric energy production soon, and slow up the almighty global alwarmists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope India and China both show up with great nuclear electric energy production soon, and slow up the almighty global alwarmists.</p>
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		<title>By: waynen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[waynen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me say--the Chinese and the India(n)s will have improved and increased nuclear electric energy before we do, and probably cheaper gosoline and diesel fuel as well--and not so many words about AGW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me say&#8211;the Chinese and the India(n)s will have improved and increased nuclear electric energy before we do, and probably cheaper gosoline and diesel fuel as well&#8211;and not so many words about AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: fred houpt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[fred houpt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all.  I live in Toronto, and I&#039;m just about ready to punch anyone who breaths a single word about how the world is overheating.  On the back of the coldest May I&#039;ve seen here in many years, I would like to say that up in cottage country, in the Muskokas, this past weekend, it snowed for 3 hours and left snow on the ground.  I have had to turn the furnace on in my house several times in the dying days of May.  It is not unusual for it to go down to 4C at night.  In short, it is unusually cold, most of the warm spells were immediately cleared out by strong northerlies that gave us brief but violent thunderstorms and then COLD, COLD and more COLD.  Most of Canada is well below &quot;normals&quot; for this time of year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all.  I live in Toronto, and I&#8217;m just about ready to punch anyone who breaths a single word about how the world is overheating.  On the back of the coldest May I&#8217;ve seen here in many years, I would like to say that up in cottage country, in the Muskokas, this past weekend, it snowed for 3 hours and left snow on the ground.  I have had to turn the furnace on in my house several times in the dying days of May.  It is not unusual for it to go down to 4C at night.  In short, it is unusually cold, most of the warm spells were immediately cleared out by strong northerlies that gave us brief but violent thunderstorms and then COLD, COLD and more COLD.  Most of Canada is well below &#8220;normals&#8221; for this time of year.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Walton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek Walton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is off-thread, but I think that it may be worthy of a thread of its own: couldn&#039;t see a better place in recent posts.

In the most recent issue of Geoscientist (the magazine (not journal)) of the Geological Society of London (http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/site/GSL/lang/en/page5546.html) there is a report of recent research published in the Journal of Environmental Quality (abstract at http://jeq.scijournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/2/654) concerning the amount of methane released by landfill sites and which is released into the atmosphere.

According to the article, the IPCC currently assumes that between 0 and 10% of the methane produced in landfill sites oxidized before is released into the atmosphere.  The new research finds that this figure is far too low, and that in a range of samples, the mean values ranged from 22% oxidation in clayey soil to 55% in sandy soil.  The standard error was 6%.

The upshot of this, of course, is that landfill sites may not contribute such a high percentage of their methane emissions into the atmosphere.  The methane threat, as the author in Geoscientist writes, may be overblown.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is off-thread, but I think that it may be worthy of a thread of its own: couldn&#8217;t see a better place in recent posts.</p>
<p>In the most recent issue of Geoscientist (the magazine (not journal)) of the Geological Society of London (<a href="http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/site/GSL/lang/en/page5546.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/site/GSL/lang/en/page5546.html</a>) there is a report of recent research published in the Journal of Environmental Quality (abstract at <a href="http://jeq.scijournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/2/654" rel="nofollow">http://jeq.scijournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/38/2/654</a>) concerning the amount of methane released by landfill sites and which is released into the atmosphere.</p>
<p>According to the article, the IPCC currently assumes that between 0 and 10% of the methane produced in landfill sites oxidized before is released into the atmosphere.  The new research finds that this figure is far too low, and that in a range of samples, the mean values ranged from 22% oxidation in clayey soil to 55% in sandy soil.  The standard error was 6%.</p>
<p>The upshot of this, of course, is that landfill sites may not contribute such a high percentage of their methane emissions into the atmosphere.  The methane threat, as the author in Geoscientist writes, may be overblown.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Non Sequitur&lt;/i&gt;

Good spot! Very apposite.

It also reminded me of this, from Steven Jay Gould, a thought that Hansen, Mann and Co. could usefully have pinned to their respective walls:

&quot;Objectivity cannot be equated with mental blankness; rather, objectivity resides in recognizing your preferences and then subjecting them to especially harsh scrutiny—and also in a willingness to revise or abandon your theories when the tests fail (as they usually do).&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Non Sequitur</i></p>
<p>Good spot! Very apposite.</p>
<p>It also reminded me of this, from Steven Jay Gould, a thought that Hansen, Mann and Co. could usefully have pinned to their respective walls:</p>
<p>&#8220;Objectivity cannot be equated with mental blankness; rather, objectivity resides in recognizing your preferences and then subjecting them to especially harsh scrutiny—and also in a willingness to revise or abandon your theories when the tests fail (as they usually do).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: RACookPE1978</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RACookPE1978]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nay, nay.

&#039;Tis coherent, and quite a good rant!  

Now, my caution though, it (you!)  should NOT be content with a &quot;good&quot; rant, nor even &quot;quite good a rant&quot;.

YOU - as a reader and writer and righter of other readers - must create quite a  noisy, non-quiet rant in the local press that you DO get attention by writing about the subject, by writing about it again, and by talking informatively about the subject to others who HAVE only read the media&#039;s propaganda.   

(Your bitter whine glass - unless it is read by others who don&#039;t now know, will not matter if it were originally filled with white, red, or blush before it became vinegar.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nay, nay.</p>
<p>&#8216;Tis coherent, and quite a good rant!  </p>
<p>Now, my caution though, it (you!)  should NOT be content with a &#8220;good&#8221; rant, nor even &#8220;quite good a rant&#8221;.</p>
<p>YOU &#8211; as a reader and writer and righter of other readers &#8211; must create quite a  noisy, non-quiet rant in the local press that you DO get attention by writing about the subject, by writing about it again, and by talking informatively about the subject to others who HAVE only read the media&#8217;s propaganda.   </p>
<p>(Your bitter whine glass &#8211; unless it is read by others who don&#8217;t now know, will not matter if it were originally filled with white, red, or blush before it became vinegar.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Nicholson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Nicholson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry if I&#039;ve come in late on this discussion, or indeed if this point has already been raised, but I originally saw this article in the UK&#039;s Daily Telegraph, and was immediately filled with despair. Not because of the apparently vast amount of deaths allegedly due to global warming, but by the appalling lack of what used to be good solid journalism. Instead we get a basic reprint of pure propaganda. If only this journalist had done a little homework and discovered, as in a previous post on this web site, that annual deaths in the world are around the 56 million mark !
Unfortunately, the scare mongers seem to have hijacked the worlds media, and despite the commendable efforts of web site like this, the juggernaut seems to be unstoppable.
I hope this reads coherently, just finished three glasses of wine &#039;cos I&#039;m so depressed with it all !!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I&#8217;ve come in late on this discussion, or indeed if this point has already been raised, but I originally saw this article in the UK&#8217;s Daily Telegraph, and was immediately filled with despair. Not because of the apparently vast amount of deaths allegedly due to global warming, but by the appalling lack of what used to be good solid journalism. Instead we get a basic reprint of pure propaganda. If only this journalist had done a little homework and discovered, as in a previous post on this web site, that annual deaths in the world are around the 56 million mark !<br />
Unfortunately, the scare mongers seem to have hijacked the worlds media, and despite the commendable efforts of web site like this, the juggernaut seems to be unstoppable.<br />
I hope this reads coherently, just finished three glasses of wine &#8216;cos I&#8217;m so depressed with it all !!</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Hopkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denis Hopkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure if anyone else has posted these letters from today&#039;s times.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6400887.ece]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if anyone else has posted these letters from today&#8217;s times.<br />
<a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6400887.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6400887.ece</a></p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Ray B
&quot;That heat is still there, just in a different place.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Especially if the greenhouse effect works like the warmists insist. Have they thought this through..?  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ray B<br />
&#8220;That heat is still there, just in a different place.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Especially if the greenhouse effect works like the warmists insist. Have they thought this through..?  :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Myron Mesecke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Myron Mesecke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Completely off topic but todays Non Sequitur comic hits with a ring of truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680?cat=nq&amp;d=090601]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely off topic but todays Non Sequitur comic hits with a ring of truth.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680?cat=nq&#038;d=090601" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680?cat=nq&#038;d=090601</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Haigh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy Haigh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave Middleton (10:52:27) : 

Thanks for the info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Middleton (10:52:27) : </p>
<p>Thanks for the info.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray B</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 04:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Koffi is a scammer reinforcing his scam. Yawn.

Here is a fun link list of all of the stuff caused by AGW. Check it out, it has everything from incresed sexual promiscuity to the earth turning upside down. 

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

 For the O/T on the white roofs, don&#039;t knock it &#039;till ya try it. I painted my galvanized roof with a white sealant and saw an immediate and significant drop (almost 10º F on a sunny 90º August day) in inside temps. It saved me a lot of $$ on running the A/C. That is a real tangible benefit to the AGW effort via less electricity going through my meter. I wouldn&#039;t have a dark colored roof unless I could change it back in the summer.

As far as the reflected heat, that is a non-starter. On the larger scale, it doesn&#039;t really matter if the heat is held on your black roof, or reflected. That heat is still there, just in a different place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koffi is a scammer reinforcing his scam. Yawn.</p>
<p>Here is a fun link list of all of the stuff caused by AGW. Check it out, it has everything from incresed sexual promiscuity to the earth turning upside down. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm</a></p>
<p> For the O/T on the white roofs, don&#8217;t knock it &#8217;till ya try it. I painted my galvanized roof with a white sealant and saw an immediate and significant drop (almost 10º F on a sunny 90º August day) in inside temps. It saved me a lot of $$ on running the A/C. That is a real tangible benefit to the AGW effort via less electricity going through my meter. I wouldn&#8217;t have a dark colored roof unless I could change it back in the summer.</p>
<p>As far as the reflected heat, that is a non-starter. On the larger scale, it doesn&#8217;t really matter if the heat is held on your black roof, or reflected. That heat is still there, just in a different place.</p>
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