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	<title>Comments on: Tornado Season So Far Not as Bad as 2008</title>
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		<title>By: Rhys Jaggar</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-138020</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhys Jaggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Slightly off topic, but any of the moderators read the report described in:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/5406487/Climate-change-kills-300000-every-year.html 

I suspect it&#039;s yet another &#039;this is the message we want, now lets fit the figures to justify it&#039;, but I don&#039;t know.

Has anyone read it/critiqued it/picked holes in the arguments?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic, but any of the moderators read the report described in:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/5406487/Climate-change-kills-300000-every-year.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/5406487/Climate-change-kills-300000-every-year.html</a> </p>
<p>I suspect it&#8217;s yet another &#8216;this is the message we want, now lets fit the figures to justify it&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>Has anyone read it/critiqued it/picked holes in the arguments?</p>
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		<title>By: matt v.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-137945</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt v.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is also a correlation between the simulatanous occurence of  both negative PDO and negative AMO[ like today] and the severest tornadoes[ f3-f5] . The period 1964-1976 clearly shows this when both AMO and PDO were both negative and at extremely low values . The AMO index for 1974[ the record year for  severe [f3-f5] tornadoes was the lowest  ever on an annual basis[-0.405] and on monthly basis hit [-0.495 ]which is the second lowest ever next to [-0.563] during  1913. The PDO  went down to [-1.29] on an annual basis.Currently AMO  is at[- 0.078] and the PDO is [-1.65] on a monthly basis

It would appear that if AMO/ PDO  both continue to decline and stay negative , the risk for severe tornadoes will also increase [ like it seemed to do during 1950-1976]  . The threat seemed to diminish after 1976 when both indices went positive and the number of severe tornadoes seemed to decline . See the graph below [also repeated on above post]


http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/ann/ann-F3-F5tornadoes08.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is also a correlation between the simulatanous occurence of  both negative PDO and negative AMO[ like today] and the severest tornadoes[ f3-f5] . The period 1964-1976 clearly shows this when both AMO and PDO were both negative and at extremely low values . The AMO index for 1974[ the record year for  severe [f3-f5] tornadoes was the lowest  ever on an annual basis[-0.405] and on monthly basis hit [-0.495 ]which is the second lowest ever next to [-0.563] during  1913. The PDO  went down to [-1.29] on an annual basis.Currently AMO  is at[- 0.078] and the PDO is [-1.65] on a monthly basis</p>
<p>It would appear that if AMO/ PDO  both continue to decline and stay negative , the risk for severe tornadoes will also increase [ like it seemed to do during 1950-1976]  . The threat seemed to diminish after 1976 when both indices went positive and the number of severe tornadoes seemed to decline . See the graph below [also repeated on above post]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/ann/ann-F3-F5tornadoes08.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/ann/ann-F3-F5tornadoes08.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: matt v.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-137911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt v.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Adolfo Giurfa

This may be of interest to you. 

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adolfo Giurfa</p>
<p>This may be of interest to you. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/</a></p>
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		<title>By: matt v.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-137907</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt v.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JP

The correlation between La Nina&#039;s and  the severest tornadoes[ f3-f5] is a little more apparent if you look at these two web pages together especially during  1970-1976

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/ann/ann-F3-F5tornadoes08.png

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP</p>
<p>The correlation between La Nina&#8217;s and  the severest tornadoes[ f3-f5] is a little more apparent if you look at these two web pages together especially during  1970-1976</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/ann/ann-F3-F5tornadoes08.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/ann/ann-F3-F5tornadoes08.png</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ensostuff/ensoyears.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JP]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know there&#039;s been a push to associate periods of increased severe thunderstorms with La Ninas, but I think the jury is still out. If one can still find it, the old USAF TR200 written by the late Col RFC Miller and Major Fawbush formally classified the major synoptic patterns over North America that lead to major severe thunderstorm activty. Dr Charles Doswell&#039;s classic texts on Mesoscale meterology goes even deeper. As far as I know Dr Doswell is now retired. I don&#039;t know if any further research has been done which can coorelate borad synoptic weather patterns that lead to severe weather outbreaks with any kind of climate analogues. It would be a very interesting subject if not an exhausting one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know there&#8217;s been a push to associate periods of increased severe thunderstorms with La Ninas, but I think the jury is still out. If one can still find it, the old USAF TR200 written by the late Col RFC Miller and Major Fawbush formally classified the major synoptic patterns over North America that lead to major severe thunderstorm activty. Dr Charles Doswell&#8217;s classic texts on Mesoscale meterology goes even deeper. As far as I know Dr Doswell is now retired. I don&#8217;t know if any further research has been done which can coorelate borad synoptic weather patterns that lead to severe weather outbreaks with any kind of climate analogues. It would be a very interesting subject if not an exhausting one.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolfo Giurfa</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-137670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adolfo Giurfa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we were to believe in these yellows and reds:
http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomw.5.28.2009.gif
That go from 0.5 to 1.5 °C of anomaly, chances are that they should and must disappear and turn into blue during the SH winter(*), so...she (La Nina) just went to the toilette..
(*) if not receiving convenient orders from &quot;above&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were to believe in these yellows and reds:<br />
<a href="http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomw.5.28.2009.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.osdpd.noaa.gov/PSB/EPS/SST/data/anomw.5.28.2009.gif</a><br />
That go from 0.5 to 1.5 °C of anomaly, chances are that they should and must disappear and turn into blue during the SH winter(*), so&#8230;she (La Nina) just went to the toilette..<br />
(*) if not receiving convenient orders from &#8220;above&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Adolfo Giurfa</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-137667</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adolfo Giurfa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OT:Where to find enough warmed waters for this NOAA forecast?:
&lt;i&gt;NOAA Projects Near-Normal Atlantic Hurricane Season, Encourages Preparedness&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT:Where to find enough warmed waters for this NOAA forecast?:<br />
<i>NOAA Projects Near-Normal Atlantic Hurricane Season, Encourages Preparedness</i></p>
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		<title>By: Adolfo Giurfa</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/27/tornado-season-so-far-not-as-bad-as-2008/#comment-137665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adolfo Giurfa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[matt v. &lt;i&gt;If La Nina conditions return...&lt;/i&gt;
La Nina never went away, it&#039;s here!, As I told before: She just went to the toilet to arrange herself and I see her now coming back..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt v. <i>If La Nina conditions return&#8230;</i><br />
La Nina never went away, it&#8217;s here!, As I told before: She just went to the toilet to arrange herself and I see her now coming back..</p>
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		<title>By: matt v.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt v.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott in Minnesota

You are right on about cooler weather affecting the the number of tornadoes but especially the f3 -f5 size or the larger and more  severe ones . The period 1955 -1975  had the highest number of these more severe tornadoes and especially 1965 -1975, with 1974 being the worst with about 116  such severe tornadoes. This was a period[1964-1976] when PDO and AMO  were both negative and cooler and there were more La Nina conditions . La  Nina conditions are especially likely to produce more sever tornadoes like in 1974. We are in similar cool  PDO or AMO levels like in the 1970&#039;s but La Nina  conditions only existed  briefly in late 2007 to early 2008. If La Nina conditions return, the risk for more severe tornadoes also increases in my opinion as PDO and AMO are both negative and declining creating ideal conditions for more severe tornadoes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott in Minnesota</p>
<p>You are right on about cooler weather affecting the the number of tornadoes but especially the f3 -f5 size or the larger and more  severe ones . The period 1955 -1975  had the highest number of these more severe tornadoes and especially 1965 -1975, with 1974 being the worst with about 116  such severe tornadoes. This was a period[1964-1976] when PDO and AMO  were both negative and cooler and there were more La Nina conditions . La  Nina conditions are especially likely to produce more sever tornadoes like in 1974. We are in similar cool  PDO or AMO levels like in the 1970&#8242;s but La Nina  conditions only existed  briefly in late 2007 to early 2008. If La Nina conditions return, the risk for more severe tornadoes also increases in my opinion as PDO and AMO are both negative and declining creating ideal conditions for more severe tornadoes.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Caleb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 10:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to think ahead to what the next &quot;alarm&quot; might be.

I read elsewhere that the switch from La Nina to El Nino creates a shifting jet-stream which increases the (slight) possibility of tornadoes in the Northeast.  

(Situations occur where a blast of hot and dry air comes over-the-top,  as hot and humid air comes up-the-coast,  and these two streams are met by a lobe of cold air back-dooring the northeast.)

Judging from the past,  if there is any up-tick of tornadoes in the Northeast it will not matter that there are far fewer in the rest of the country.  We will read about how the tracks of tornadoes have moved north,  which is proof of Global Warming.  We will read nothing about the F-4 Worchester Tornado which hit New England in 1953,  which was the last time the AMO was like it is now.

Tornados larger than F-1 are very rare in New Hampshire,  but we actually had one last summer,  moving south to north.  Should we have another this summer, the Alarmists will likely burst blood vessels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think ahead to what the next &#8220;alarm&#8221; might be.</p>
<p>I read elsewhere that the switch from La Nina to El Nino creates a shifting jet-stream which increases the (slight) possibility of tornadoes in the Northeast.  </p>
<p>(Situations occur where a blast of hot and dry air comes over-the-top,  as hot and humid air comes up-the-coast,  and these two streams are met by a lobe of cold air back-dooring the northeast.)</p>
<p>Judging from the past,  if there is any up-tick of tornadoes in the Northeast it will not matter that there are far fewer in the rest of the country.  We will read about how the tracks of tornadoes have moved north,  which is proof of Global Warming.  We will read nothing about the F-4 Worchester Tornado which hit New England in 1953,  which was the last time the AMO was like it is now.</p>
<p>Tornados larger than F-1 are very rare in New Hampshire,  but we actually had one last summer,  moving south to north.  Should we have another this summer, the Alarmists will likely burst blood vessels.</p>
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		<title>By: paul s</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paul s]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;So, this year is a little bit different. We have a late and slow start to tornado season. &lt;/i&gt;

Storm Chaser and meteorologist, Heidi Farrar over at TornadoVideos.net was saying a similar thing. They&#039;ve had limited &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tornadovideos.net/component/content/article/38-general/947-supercells-spawned-by-tropical-remnants&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chasing oportunities so far this May.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, this year is a little bit different. We have a late and slow start to tornado season. </i></p>
<p>Storm Chaser and meteorologist, Heidi Farrar over at TornadoVideos.net was saying a similar thing. They&#8217;ve had limited <a href="http://www.tornadovideos.net/component/content/article/38-general/947-supercells-spawned-by-tropical-remnants" rel="nofollow">chasing oportunities so far this May.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julius StSwithin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julius StSwithin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The long term trend since 1850 suggests there has been an increase in hurricanes over the last 30 years but the level is still lower than at other times.

http://www.climatedata.info/Impacts/impacts.html

and click on &quot;Tropical cyclones&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long term trend since 1850 suggests there has been an increase in hurricanes over the last 30 years but the level is still lower than at other times.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.climatedata.info/Impacts/impacts.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.climatedata.info/Impacts/impacts.html</a></p>
<p>and click on &#8220;Tropical cyclones&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Brozyna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Brozyna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A note about the bar graph.

I noticed a couple of outstanding features.

First - from the mid-50&#039;s to the mid-70&#039;s the level of F2-F5 tornadoes was higher than in more recent years. Is it possible that in those higher years the measuring was less refined than now and what today would be more easily measured as an F1 might have been marked as an F2? It&#039;s a thought.

Second - the increasing number of tornadoes might just represent the increasing sophistication of radar (esp. doppler rader) and that other new creature - the storm chaser. What was the coverage of rader &amp; its sophistication in the 50&#039;s &amp; 60&#039;s? And I bet there weren&#039;t too many storm chasers around back then.

We need to keep all that data on file in context and remember that we&#039;re seeing more things now that we might have missed 40 or 50 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A note about the bar graph.</p>
<p>I noticed a couple of outstanding features.</p>
<p>First &#8211; from the mid-50&#8242;s to the mid-70&#8242;s the level of F2-F5 tornadoes was higher than in more recent years. Is it possible that in those higher years the measuring was less refined than now and what today would be more easily measured as an F1 might have been marked as an F2? It&#8217;s a thought.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; the increasing number of tornadoes might just represent the increasing sophistication of radar (esp. doppler rader) and that other new creature &#8211; the storm chaser. What was the coverage of rader &amp; its sophistication in the 50&#8242;s &amp; 60&#8242;s? And I bet there weren&#8217;t too many storm chasers around back then.</p>
<p>We need to keep all that data on file in context and remember that we&#8217;re seeing more things now that we might have missed 40 or 50 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: rbateman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rbateman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ultimate Weather Forecasting Excuse: Whatever happends today will be a result of Global Warming.  If it&#039;s freezing, it&#039;s Global Warming Cold.  If it&#039;s like an oven out there, it&#039;s Global Warming Heat.
Today&#039;s High will be Global Warming Maximum, and the Low tonight will be Global Warming Minimum.
Tomorrow will be Global Warming Fair with a High between Global Warming 0 to 120, and a slight chance of Global Warming thunderstorms.
Have a nice Global Warming Thursday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ultimate Weather Forecasting Excuse: Whatever happends today will be a result of Global Warming.  If it&#8217;s freezing, it&#8217;s Global Warming Cold.  If it&#8217;s like an oven out there, it&#8217;s Global Warming Heat.<br />
Today&#8217;s High will be Global Warming Maximum, and the Low tonight will be Global Warming Minimum.<br />
Tomorrow will be Global Warming Fair with a High between Global Warming 0 to 120, and a slight chance of Global Warming thunderstorms.<br />
Have a nice Global Warming Thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: FredG</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FredG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[p.s. I don&#039;t know if the claim is true or not. Is it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. I don&#8217;t know if the claim is true or not. Is it?</p>
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