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	<title>Comments on: NSIDC pulls the plug on Arctic Sea Ice Graphs</title>
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		<title>By: Kelly Manning</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/nsidc-pulls-the-plug-on-artic-sea-ice-graphs/#comment-144550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Manning]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such a long thread of futile &quot;see, it isn&#039;t really getting warmer&quot;, speculation from such a slender basis of fact. Grasping at straws and &quot;agenda theories&quot; and ultimately turning out to be much ado about nothing.

[snip ad hom to many people on this thread]

By the way, did you see the IEEE-USA 2009 policy advice announcements, 
   http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/positions/energypolicy.pdf
including:

&quot;IEEE-USA’s New National Energy Policy Recommends Ways United States Can Break Its Addiction to Oil, Mitigate Climate Change&quot; ?

Engineers deal with facts. Like all other scientific and technical professional bodies whose member&#039;s expertise bears directly on the challenge of Climate Change, the 215,500 members of IEEE-USA have published their collective conclusion that Climate Change is real, due to human activity and that acting wisely now can limit how bad things get.

The members of IEEE-USA had quite a varied and spirited response on both sides of the USA H1-B visa issue. There is no real opposition to the IEEE-USA Climate Change Policy Advice announcement. 

Engineers deal with facts. Human Caused Climate Change is a fact which isn&#039;t going away, better get used to it.

By the way, that bathtub ring around the Reservoir behind Hoover Dam is 120 ft tall now. Some people can&#039;t catch a clue even when it is that obvious.
http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/06/state/n000030D16.DTL

Breaking your addiction to oil can save money. According to ICBC most auto owners in my province spend Cdn $230 per month on fuel. It costs me either Cdn $35 or $70 to put gas in my Yaris each month, depending on whether I fill it up once or twice. Even at that low fuel consumption I have saved nearly a kilobuck a year since it replaced the mini-van we previously owned. The Yaris burns half as much fuel for the same distance and holds all 5 of us when we go somewhere as a family.

I use transit to commute to work each day, like my 2 oldest children. My employer pays the entire cost of my &quot;transportation&quot; expense, saving money over subsidizing a parking spot by $105 per month.  

Many of the younger IT folks at work are quite serious about avoiding the use of personal autos. One asked me how long I had been commuting by transit. When I said since 1985/Feb he smiled and said that was almost as long as he had been alive.

I also use my transit pass evenings and weekends, particularly for short trips to the 4 supermarkets and 3 malls within 15 minutes travel time by transit from my home. My wife often borrows the transit pass, leaving the Yaris at home. 

What is so difficult about driving less and saving money, while reducing carbon emissions?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a long thread of futile &#8220;see, it isn&#8217;t really getting warmer&#8221;, speculation from such a slender basis of fact. Grasping at straws and &#8220;agenda theories&#8221; and ultimately turning out to be much ado about nothing.</p>
<p>[snip ad hom to many people on this thread]</p>
<p>By the way, did you see the IEEE-USA 2009 policy advice announcements,<br />
   <a href="http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/positions/energypolicy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/positions/energypolicy.pdf</a><br />
including:</p>
<p>&#8220;IEEE-USA’s New National Energy Policy Recommends Ways United States Can Break Its Addiction to Oil, Mitigate Climate Change&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Engineers deal with facts. Like all other scientific and technical professional bodies whose member&#8217;s expertise bears directly on the challenge of Climate Change, the 215,500 members of IEEE-USA have published their collective conclusion that Climate Change is real, due to human activity and that acting wisely now can limit how bad things get.</p>
<p>The members of IEEE-USA had quite a varied and spirited response on both sides of the USA H1-B visa issue. There is no real opposition to the IEEE-USA Climate Change Policy Advice announcement. </p>
<p>Engineers deal with facts. Human Caused Climate Change is a fact which isn&#8217;t going away, better get used to it.</p>
<p>By the way, that bathtub ring around the Reservoir behind Hoover Dam is 120 ft tall now. Some people can&#8217;t catch a clue even when it is that obvious.<br />
<a href="http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/" rel="nofollow">http://www.arachnoid.com/NaturalResources/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/06/state/n000030D16.DTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/06/state/n000030D16.DTL</a></p>
<p>Breaking your addiction to oil can save money. According to ICBC most auto owners in my province spend Cdn $230 per month on fuel. It costs me either Cdn $35 or $70 to put gas in my Yaris each month, depending on whether I fill it up once or twice. Even at that low fuel consumption I have saved nearly a kilobuck a year since it replaced the mini-van we previously owned. The Yaris burns half as much fuel for the same distance and holds all 5 of us when we go somewhere as a family.</p>
<p>I use transit to commute to work each day, like my 2 oldest children. My employer pays the entire cost of my &#8220;transportation&#8221; expense, saving money over subsidizing a parking spot by $105 per month.  </p>
<p>Many of the younger IT folks at work are quite serious about avoiding the use of personal autos. One asked me how long I had been commuting by transit. When I said since 1985/Feb he smiled and said that was almost as long as he had been alive.</p>
<p>I also use my transit pass evenings and weekends, particularly for short trips to the 4 supermarkets and 3 malls within 15 minutes travel time by transit from my home. My wife often borrows the transit pass, leaving the Yaris at home. </p>
<p>What is so difficult about driving less and saving money, while reducing carbon emissions?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris D.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/nsidc-pulls-the-plug-on-artic-sea-ice-graphs/#comment-139479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must be something with the June 1 date and how they handle their data, I assume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be something with the June 1 date and how they handle their data, I assume.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris D.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/nsidc-pulls-the-plug-on-artic-sea-ice-graphs/#comment-139478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to bump an older thread, but this one is about ice. My question is about  the AMSR-E extent chart linked on this blog. Nearly each year&#039;s extent makes this little line-dance hippity-hop jump right at this time of year, and this year&#039;s extent is proving to be no exception. Anyone besides me find this odd?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to bump an older thread, but this one is about ice. My question is about  the AMSR-E extent chart linked on this blog. Nearly each year&#8217;s extent makes this little line-dance hippity-hop jump right at this time of year, and this year&#8217;s extent is proving to be no exception. Anyone besides me find this odd?</p>
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		<title>By: Frederick Michael</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/nsidc-pulls-the-plug-on-artic-sea-ice-graphs/#comment-138223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They still show the sea ice area and extent here:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/daily.html

The missing areas change from day to day so that you can, if patient, fill in where the whole picture.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They still show the sea ice area and extent here:</p>
<p><a href="http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/daily.html" rel="nofollow">http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/daily.html</a></p>
<p>The missing areas change from day to day so that you can, if patient, fill in where the whole picture.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/nsidc-pulls-the-plug-on-artic-sea-ice-graphs/#comment-138077</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela Gray (19:58:21) : 

&quot;Glenn, I would double check your site. It also looks contaminated. Ice doesn’t melt in square, triangle, or rectangle shapes.&quot;

I beg to dicker. Today the ice appears to have made a nice diamond shape over the Pole.
http://iabp.apl.washington.edu/maps_daily_ncepice.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela Gray (19:58:21) : </p>
<p>&#8220;Glenn, I would double check your site. It also looks contaminated. Ice doesn’t melt in square, triangle, or rectangle shapes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I beg to dicker. Today the ice appears to have made a nice diamond shape over the Pole.<br />
<a href="http://iabp.apl.washington.edu/maps_daily_ncepice.html" rel="nofollow">http://iabp.apl.washington.edu/maps_daily_ncepice.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Claude Harvey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/nsidc-pulls-the-plug-on-artic-sea-ice-graphs/#comment-137746</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claude Harvey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 23:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This must be very difficult time for what I imagine are many conscientious and honorable NSIDC employees. Some of the comments about their agency in this and other blogs must make them cringe with either shame or indignation. I hope they recognize that the skepticism and distrust being widely expressed was of the agency&#039;s own making when its grotesquely transparent &quot;agenda&quot; began to overide scientific integrity. All anyone has to do to become convinced my accusation is true is to read NSIDC press releases in which &quot;colder&quot; and &quot;more ice&quot; are transposed into such tortured terms as &quot;fith hottest in....&quot; and &quot;third lowest ice extent in....&quot;.

Translating the current ASMR graph into &quot;NSIDC speak&quot;, I would judge we&#039;re at about &quot;the fifth lowest ice extent in five years&quot;. Translation into straightforward English: The ice has built back up to where it was five years ago at this time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This must be very difficult time for what I imagine are many conscientious and honorable NSIDC employees. Some of the comments about their agency in this and other blogs must make them cringe with either shame or indignation. I hope they recognize that the skepticism and distrust being widely expressed was of the agency&#8217;s own making when its grotesquely transparent &#8220;agenda&#8221; began to overide scientific integrity. All anyone has to do to become convinced my accusation is true is to read NSIDC press releases in which &#8220;colder&#8221; and &#8220;more ice&#8221; are transposed into such tortured terms as &#8220;fith hottest in&#8230;.&#8221; and &#8220;third lowest ice extent in&#8230;.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Translating the current ASMR graph into &#8220;NSIDC speak&#8221;, I would judge we&#8217;re at about &#8220;the fifth lowest ice extent in five years&#8221;. Translation into straightforward English: The ice has built back up to where it was five years ago at this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ric, an entire ice cap simply does not shatter into a billion pieces like that....Either you altered the image to be funny or their satellite is screwed up worse than the one the NSIDC is using...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, an entire ice cap simply does not shatter into a billion pieces like that&#8230;.Either you altered the image to be funny or their satellite is screwed up worse than the one the NSIDC is using&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CknLitl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CknLitl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a quick note to the moderator - please edit the article to remove the &quot;TEH&quot; which I have quoted below:

Transitioning to the DMSP F17 satellite “may” be a plan, but the AQUA satellite and &lt;b&gt;teh&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick note to the moderator &#8211; please edit the article to remove the &#8220;TEH&#8221; which I have quoted below:</p>
<p>Transitioning to the DMSP F17 satellite “may” be a plan, but the AQUA satellite and <b>teh</b></p>
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		<title>By: dave s</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave s]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MattN (17:49:35) :

IBD has a comment on the concept of a Department of Energy and what it&#039;s mission should be, as long as we (since Jimmy Carter) have one.

Dave S

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=328317915759660

Also, check their daily cartoon...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MattN (17:49:35) :</p>
<p>IBD has a comment on the concept of a Department of Energy and what it&#8217;s mission should be, as long as we (since Jimmy Carter) have one.</p>
<p>Dave S</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=328317915759660" rel="nofollow">http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=328317915759660</a></p>
<p>Also, check their daily cartoon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[F13&#039;s most recent problem is that it&#039;s now down to its last functional on-board data recorder (there are four recorders when new).  Because the recorder cannot playback stored data and record new data at the same time, there is a gap whenever the playback occurs.  When there is more than one recorder available, recording starts on another recorder while the first is played back.  Because the main downlink station is in Greenland, this frequently puts the gap over the Arctic.

The recorder that just failed more than likely is gone for good, but there&#039;s a small chance it could be restored to service.

F13&#039;s age is almost triple the design life, so it&#039;s had a good run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F13&#8242;s most recent problem is that it&#8217;s now down to its last functional on-board data recorder (there are four recorders when new).  Because the recorder cannot playback stored data and record new data at the same time, there is a gap whenever the playback occurs.  When there is more than one recorder available, recording starts on another recorder while the first is played back.  Because the main downlink station is in Greenland, this frequently puts the gap over the Arctic.</p>
<p>The recorder that just failed more than likely is gone for good, but there&#8217;s a small chance it could be restored to service.</p>
<p>F13&#8242;s age is almost triple the design life, so it&#8217;s had a good run.</p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna v]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=05&amp;fd=27&amp;fy=2008&amp;sm=05&amp;sd=27&amp;sy=2009]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=05&#038;fd=27&#038;fy=2008&#038;sm=05&#038;sd=27&#038;sy=2009" rel="nofollow">http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=05&#038;fd=27&#038;fy=2008&#038;sm=05&#038;sd=27&#038;sy=2009</a></p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna v]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil. (19:34:48) : 

Well, for a certain value of truth, both can be true, it all ends up on what one would believe.

Rutgers  or our lying eyes. We seem to be prejudiced towards our eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil. (19:34:48) : </p>
<p>Well, for a certain value of truth, both can be true, it all ends up on what one would believe.</p>
<p>Rutgers  or our lying eyes. We seem to be prejudiced towards our eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: marine surverying</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[marine surverying]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Failing sensors, disputing images, sites reporting opposite results... what to believe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Failing sensors, disputing images, sites reporting opposite results&#8230; what to believe?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Frank Lansner (15:24:01) :
Snow cover markedly bigger this year than last year:
http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/20082009.gif&lt;/em&gt;

Not according to this site:
http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Frank Lansner (15:24:01) :<br />
Snow cover markedly bigger this year than last year:<br />
<a href="http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/20082009.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.klimadebat.dk/forum/vedhaeftninger/20082009.gif</a></em></p>
<p>Not according to this site:<br />
<a href="http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1" rel="nofollow">http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: aurbo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aurbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: MattN (17:49:35) : 

If the Administration&#039;s Science Secy, Dr. Chu, is promoting using white paint on roofs, what do you bet that some of his cronies back at Berkeley have the franchise on getting Government money to promote or produce the product?

These guys don&#039;t flap their lips for free.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: MattN (17:49:35) : </p>
<p>If the Administration&#8217;s Science Secy, Dr. Chu, is promoting using white paint on roofs, what do you bet that some of his cronies back at Berkeley have the franchise on getting Government money to promote or produce the product?</p>
<p>These guys don&#8217;t flap their lips for free.</p>
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