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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/how-not-to-make-a-climate-photo-op/#comment-137845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 08:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have coined a term for what the warmists are up to politically:

&lt;b&gt;The Great Leap Backwards&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have coined a term for what the warmists are up to politically:</p>
<p><b>The Great Leap Backwards</b></p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Haigh</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/how-not-to-make-a-climate-photo-op/#comment-137812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jimmy Haigh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James P (00:46:16) : 

Bruce Foutch
Politicians also need to relax after a long day,” says ‘Miss Dina’

Clearly they’re getting in practice to shaft the rest of us…


The girls in Copenhagen aren&#039;t cheap either!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James P (00:46:16) : </p>
<p>Bruce Foutch<br />
Politicians also need to relax after a long day,” says ‘Miss Dina’</p>
<p>Clearly they’re getting in practice to shaft the rest of us…</p>
<p>The girls in Copenhagen aren&#8217;t cheap either!</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George,

You are already off on the wrong foot in my book.

There are no real circles in the universe. Anywhere. All we have are n sided approximations where n is very very large (in most cases). And that would be if you could make something that was &quot;perfectly&quot; round. Which you can&#039;t. There are always deviations - and then you get to the greatest deviation of all  - the atomic level. Things get bumpy down there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George,</p>
<p>You are already off on the wrong foot in my book.</p>
<p>There are no real circles in the universe. Anywhere. All we have are n sided approximations where n is very very large (in most cases). And that would be if you could make something that was &#8220;perfectly&#8221; round. Which you can&#8217;t. There are always deviations &#8211; and then you get to the greatest deviation of all  &#8211; the atomic level. Things get bumpy down there.</p>
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		<title>By: Nasif Nahle</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/26/how-not-to-make-a-climate-photo-op/#comment-137796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nasif Nahle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 03:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@George and Ray...

My first teacher of statistics, Professor Garza, used to say: &quot;Mathematics is a tool, not a means to discern truth.&quot; If I’m not wrong, it was Pascal’s thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George and Ray&#8230;</p>
<p>My first teacher of statistics, Professor Garza, used to say: &#8220;Mathematics is a tool, not a means to discern truth.&#8221; If I’m not wrong, it was Pascal’s thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is what the MIT report leads to:
Reuters:         Climate change causes 315,000 deaths a year-report
Thu, 28 May 2009 22:22:42 GMT 
quote--------&quot;The study, commissioned by the Geneva-based Global Humanitarian Forum (GHF), estimates that climate change seriously affects 325 million people every year, a number that will more than double in 20 years to 10 percent of the world&#039;s population (now about 6.7 billion).&quot;
 &quot;Climate change is the greatest emerging humanitarian challenge of our time, causing suffering to hundreds of millions of people worldwide,&quot; Kofi Annan, former U.N. secretary-general and GHF president, said in a statement.

&quot;The first hit and worst affected are the world&#039;s poorest groups, and yet they have done least to cause the problem.&quot;  Annan urged governments due to meet at U.N. talks in Copenhagen in December to agree on an effective, fair and binding global pact to succeed the Kyoto Protocol, the world&#039;s main mechanism for tackling global warming. ----------end quote

Its guess its a good thing we were so proactive in burning food for fuel with the bio-fuels alternative energy program.   Its been almost as good for poor countries as saving them from the horrors of DDT.   Just what do these people think is going to happen to help the worlds poorest countries when the economies of the western world are wrecked?   MIT-now working to reduce the worlds population.  (In ways that the worlds population will not like.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what the MIT report leads to:<br />
Reuters:         Climate change causes 315,000 deaths a year-report<br />
Thu, 28 May 2009 22:22:42 GMT<br />
quote&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;&#8221;The study, commissioned by the Geneva-based Global Humanitarian Forum (GHF), estimates that climate change seriously affects 325 million people every year, a number that will more than double in 20 years to 10 percent of the world&#8217;s population (now about 6.7 billion).&#8221;<br />
 &#8220;Climate change is the greatest emerging humanitarian challenge of our time, causing suffering to hundreds of millions of people worldwide,&#8221; Kofi Annan, former U.N. secretary-general and GHF president, said in a statement.</p>
<p>&#8220;The first hit and worst affected are the world&#8217;s poorest groups, and yet they have done least to cause the problem.&#8221;  Annan urged governments due to meet at U.N. talks in Copenhagen in December to agree on an effective, fair and binding global pact to succeed the Kyoto Protocol, the world&#8217;s main mechanism for tackling global warming. &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-end quote</p>
<p>Its guess its a good thing we were so proactive in burning food for fuel with the bio-fuels alternative energy program.   Its been almost as good for poor countries as saving them from the horrors of DDT.   Just what do these people think is going to happen to help the worlds poorest countries when the economies of the western world are wrecked?   MIT-now working to reduce the worlds population.  (In ways that the worlds population will not like.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steven R. Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven R. Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MIT &quot;scientists&quot; advising Lawyers in congress with this marketing prop?  Scarey.  The marketing guy in the suit is smiling because he knows that will be an easy sell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIT &#8220;scientists&#8221; advising Lawyers in congress with this marketing prop?  Scarey.  The marketing guy in the suit is smiling because he knows that will be an easy sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 21:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George E. Smith (13:44:21) :

This was a graduate degree residence and often we had invited professors living with us for a while.  We had some great conversations, but I remember those pure Math profs trying to figure out how to make the toaster work... priceless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George E. Smith (13:44:21) :</p>
<p>This was a graduate degree residence and often we had invited professors living with us for a while.  We had some great conversations, but I remember those pure Math profs trying to figure out how to make the toaster work&#8230; priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And in Projective geometry too !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in Projective geometry too !</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;&quot;   Ray (09:10:27) : 

When I was doing my PhD at the U.of Waterloo, ON, we had regular mathematiciens at our residence, some in Applied and some in Pure.   &quot;&quot;&quot;

Well that&#039;s interesting; when I was doing my Bachelors, in Physics and Mathematics; I had to do both Pure and Applied  as majors, to get credited with a degree in Mathematics.   Somehow I ended up with three Physics majors on top of that, for the dual credit in Physics and Mathematics.  I guess times have changed; unless schools have.

Well I hope those &quot;mathematiciens&quot; understood that their mathematics is all pure fiction; we made it all up in our heads; and nothing we talk about in mathematics, actually exists anywhere in the real universe.
That doesn&#039;t stop mathematiciens from believing that somehow mathematics is  universal truth.  So how do they explain that a circle is just a special case of an ellipse in Euclidean Geometry; but is a special case of a hyperbola in porjective geometry.

George]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"   Ray (09:10:27) : </p>
<p>When I was doing my PhD at the U.of Waterloo, ON, we had regular mathematiciens at our residence, some in Applied and some in Pure.   &#8220;&#8221;"</p>
<p>Well that&#8217;s interesting; when I was doing my Bachelors, in Physics and Mathematics; I had to do both Pure and Applied  as majors, to get credited with a degree in Mathematics.   Somehow I ended up with three Physics majors on top of that, for the dual credit in Physics and Mathematics.  I guess times have changed; unless schools have.</p>
<p>Well I hope those &#8220;mathematiciens&#8221; understood that their mathematics is all pure fiction; we made it all up in our heads; and nothing we talk about in mathematics, actually exists anywhere in the real universe.<br />
That doesn&#8217;t stop mathematiciens from believing that somehow mathematics is  universal truth.  So how do they explain that a circle is just a special case of an ellipse in Euclidean Geometry; but is a special case of a hyperbola in porjective geometry.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: monkeymonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkeymonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[all universities have socialist-activists.  a lot prolly go into poli sci, philosophy, and enviro sciences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all universities have socialist-activists.  a lot prolly go into poli sci, philosophy, and enviro sciences.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was doing my PhD at the U.of Waterloo, ON, we had regular mathematiciens at our residence, some in Applied and some in Pure.  They were convinced that the Universe could be represented by a single equation.  Seeing how models have become more important that the real physical observations, I tend to think that regardless of what the Universal equation returns, the Universe, of course, will be wrong, but never the equation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was doing my PhD at the U.of Waterloo, ON, we had regular mathematiciens at our residence, some in Applied and some in Pure.  They were convinced that the Universe could be represented by a single equation.  Seeing how models have become more important that the real physical observations, I tend to think that regardless of what the Universal equation returns, the Universe, of course, will be wrong, but never the equation.</p>
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		<title>By: alex verlinden</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alex verlinden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[last summer,  climate researcher Andreas Sterl of the Dutch KNMI, published his findings in the Geophysical Research Letters about the maximum temperatures in the Netherlands around the years 2090/2100 ... his PC forecasted some 8°C warmer maximums than those that occur now, and the Netherlands, and Belgium, would experience summer maximums of around 40° C, making them part of the Sahara of the North ... 

clearly, predicting less is a no go ... one does not even make page 37 anymore with a prediction of a rather robust 6°C increase in temperature in  a century ... therefore my prediction is that the next prediction will be more than 10°+ increase by 2100 if we don&#039;t give ourselves up to the Goracle and his allies ... and I have to admit, I cannot wait to read them ...

because, just as Wall Street analysts came crashing down when they were forecasting higher and higher stock prices, also the Alarmists will be overtaken by their own words ... the (silent) majority of the world&#039;s population has other things to do than to believe their idiotic ramblings, and because of that, their ramblings will become ever and ever more idiotic, thereby digging their own grave ... unfortunately, because of their goals being the same as those of the everyday politician, namely get people&#039;s money and thoughts, this might take a few years ... but the end result is set already ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last summer,  climate researcher Andreas Sterl of the Dutch KNMI, published his findings in the Geophysical Research Letters about the maximum temperatures in the Netherlands around the years 2090/2100 &#8230; his PC forecasted some 8°C warmer maximums than those that occur now, and the Netherlands, and Belgium, would experience summer maximums of around 40° C, making them part of the Sahara of the North &#8230; </p>
<p>clearly, predicting less is a no go &#8230; one does not even make page 37 anymore with a prediction of a rather robust 6°C increase in temperature in  a century &#8230; therefore my prediction is that the next prediction will be more than 10°+ increase by 2100 if we don&#8217;t give ourselves up to the Goracle and his allies &#8230; and I have to admit, I cannot wait to read them &#8230;</p>
<p>because, just as Wall Street analysts came crashing down when they were forecasting higher and higher stock prices, also the Alarmists will be overtaken by their own words &#8230; the (silent) majority of the world&#8217;s population has other things to do than to believe their idiotic ramblings, and because of that, their ramblings will become ever and ever more idiotic, thereby digging their own grave &#8230; unfortunately, because of their goals being the same as those of the everyday politician, namely get people&#8217;s money and thoughts, this might take a few years &#8230; but the end result is set already &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John W.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins,

Thanks for the links to the stereo images.  Could you return and explain their significance?

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MartinGAtkins,</p>
<p>Thanks for the links to the stereo images.  Could you return and explain their significance?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumbler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grumbler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[White roof&#039;s? This UK car ad could be the future ;-)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2008/may/21/ford.kuga]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White roof&#8217;s? This UK car ad could be the future ;-)<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2008/may/21/ford.kuga" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2008/may/21/ford.kuga</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ric Werme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Galt (12:40:52) : (or was it Don Shaw (11:50:00))

&lt;blockquote&gt;
When I posted that article, I was most interested in the irony. The official line is the Urban Heat Island effect is negligible, but here we are being urged to combat AGW by reducing UHI.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If we were interested in putting words in other people&#039;s mouths, a story about this should have the headline &quot;Nobel Laureate and Energy Secretary Chu calls on Americans to reverse the Urban Heat Island effect.&quot;

At the very least, the new stories make a good reply to anyone saying that UHI is negligible.  Even the IPCC can&#039;t refute it without criticizing gov&#039;t bureaucrats and Nobel Prize winners.

BTW, there&#039;s more white in the world than TiO2.  There&#039;s lotsa of CaCO3 that could be used as part of carbon sequestration.  Of course, we&#039;d have to make jokes about the whitewashing the UHI effect and the cyclomaniacs here would have to refer to the start of this blog - comparing different white coatings on Stevenson Screens.  Anthony was ahead of our times!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Galt (12:40:52) : (or was it Don Shaw (11:50:00))</p>
<blockquote><p>
When I posted that article, I was most interested in the irony. The official line is the Urban Heat Island effect is negligible, but here we are being urged to combat AGW by reducing UHI.
</p></blockquote>
<p>If we were interested in putting words in other people&#8217;s mouths, a story about this should have the headline &#8220;Nobel Laureate and Energy Secretary Chu calls on Americans to reverse the Urban Heat Island effect.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the very least, the new stories make a good reply to anyone saying that UHI is negligible.  Even the IPCC can&#8217;t refute it without criticizing gov&#8217;t bureaucrats and Nobel Prize winners.</p>
<p>BTW, there&#8217;s more white in the world than TiO2.  There&#8217;s lotsa of CaCO3 that could be used as part of carbon sequestration.  Of course, we&#8217;d have to make jokes about the whitewashing the UHI effect and the cyclomaniacs here would have to refer to the start of this blog &#8211; comparing different white coatings on Stevenson Screens.  Anthony was ahead of our times!</p>
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