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	<title>Comments on: The Met Office UK summer forecast &#8211; Mad Dogs and Englishmen</title>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/30/the-met-office-uk-summer-forecast-mad-dogs-and-englishmen/#comment-151565</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;going to be like&#039; - sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;going to be like&#8217; &#8211; sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/30/the-met-office-uk-summer-forecast-mad-dogs-and-englishmen/#comment-151564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;Not any more it isn’t&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It hasn&#039;t happened yet, AFAIK. This from the Met Office on Friday:

&quot;The hottest day of the year so far was Thursday with Heathrow Airport recording a high of 28 °C, but that is expected to be beaten over the coming week.&quot;

This looks like being a warm week, although I notice that our local 5-day forecast, which was for sunshine every day when posted yesterday, now is more cloudy than sunny. And it&#039;s raining at Wimbledon (4:50pm).

Still, I&#039;m sure they know exactly what it&#039;s going to like in 60 years&#039; time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Not any more it isn’t&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It hasn&#8217;t happened yet, AFAIK. This from the Met Office on Friday:</p>
<p>&#8220;The hottest day of the year so far was Thursday with Heathrow Airport recording a high of 28 °C, but that is expected to be beaten over the coming week.&#8221;</p>
<p>This looks like being a warm week, although I notice that our local 5-day forecast, which was for sunshine every day when posted yesterday, now is more cloudy than sunny. And it&#8217;s raining at Wimbledon (4:50pm).</p>
<p>Still, I&#8217;m sure they know exactly what it&#8217;s going to like in 60 years&#8217; time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DennisA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DennisA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Top ten hottest summers: www.hadobs.org, CET ranked seasonal

1) 1976 - 17.77C
2) 1826 - 17.60
3) 1995 - 17.37
4) 2003 - 17.33
5) 2006 - 17.23
6) 1846 - 17.10
7) 1983 - 17.07
8) 1947 - 17.03
9) 1933 - 17.00
10)1911 - 16.97

Century average 1701-1800 = 15.46C
Century average 1801-1900 = 15.19
Century average 1901-2000 = 15.35

Significant summer warming over two centuries of minus 0.11]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top ten hottest summers: <a href="http://www.hadobs.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hadobs.org</a>, CET ranked seasonal</p>
<p>1) 1976 &#8211; 17.77C<br />
2) 1826 &#8211; 17.60<br />
3) 1995 &#8211; 17.37<br />
4) 2003 &#8211; 17.33<br />
5) 2006 &#8211; 17.23<br />
6) 1846 &#8211; 17.10<br />
7) 1983 &#8211; 17.07<br />
8) 1947 &#8211; 17.03<br />
9) 1933 &#8211; 17.00<br />
10)1911 &#8211; 16.97</p>
<p>Century average 1701-1800 = 15.46C<br />
Century average 1801-1900 = 15.19<br />
Century average 1901-2000 = 15.35</p>
<p>Significant summer warming over two centuries of minus 0.11</p>
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		<title>By: John Finn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Finn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; The last 30C day in London was July 26, 2006 &lt;/i&gt;

Not any more it isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> The last 30C day in London was July 26, 2006 </i></p>
<p>Not any more it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Mick J</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick J]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; John Finn (02:55:45) :

Again this has a better than even chance of being correct. It’s unlikely we’ll get the continuous weather fronts that plagued the UK in the past 2 years, so they’re probably not going to be far wrong here.&lt;/i&gt;
I wonder, a weather forecast yesterday included the Jet Stream, a rare event on UK TV weather reports. Usually considered too much information by the media elite. :)
It shows it as being far to the south of the UK which is I think unusual for summer as it normally establishes itself to the north of Scotland and it is expected to move from its southerly position ending up barrelling into the UK for at least a week or so. If I recall correctly this position was part of the weather conditions contributing to the last two summers and dragged in many Atlantic depressions. Here is a site that provides a similar forecast. http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> John Finn (02:55:45) :</p>
<p>Again this has a better than even chance of being correct. It’s unlikely we’ll get the continuous weather fronts that plagued the UK in the past 2 years, so they’re probably not going to be far wrong here.</i><br />
I wonder, a weather forecast yesterday included the Jet Stream, a rare event on UK TV weather reports. Usually considered too much information by the media elite. :)<br />
It shows it as being far to the south of the UK which is I think unusual for summer as it normally establishes itself to the north of Scotland and it is expected to move from its southerly position ending up barrelling into the UK for at least a week or so. If I recall correctly this position was part of the weather conditions contributing to the last two summers and dragged in many Atlantic depressions. Here is a site that provides a similar forecast. <a href="http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.metcheck.com/V40/UK/FREE/jetstream.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeremy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, it&#039;s an accurate science, but the summers of 2007 and 2008 were both wet rather than cold. The mean temperature for the June 07 was 13.7, over the long-term average of 12.6. 

To be fair to the Met Office, their press release also said the chances of a 2007 summer as hot as 2003 or 2006 were only &#039;1 in 8&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, it&#8217;s an accurate science, but the summers of 2007 and 2008 were both wet rather than cold. The mean temperature for the June 07 was 13.7, over the long-term average of 12.6. </p>
<p>To be fair to the Met Office, their press release also said the chances of a 2007 summer as hot as 2003 or 2006 were only &#8217;1 in 8&#8242;.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More Met Office inaccuracy, via the BBC, and reported in yesterday&#039;s Observer:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/03/bbc-weather-carrbridge-scottish-highland

I live in the Isle of Wight, whose Met Office forecasts are usually wrong, too...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More Met Office inaccuracy, via the BBC, and reported in yesterday&#8217;s Observer:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/03/bbc-weather-carrbridge-scottish-highland" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/may/03/bbc-weather-carrbridge-scottish-highland</a></p>
<p>I live in the Isle of Wight, whose Met Office forecasts are usually wrong, too&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys Jaggar</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/30/the-met-office-uk-summer-forecast-mad-dogs-and-englishmen/#comment-125738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhys Jaggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 10:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Should the Met Office be funded by UK Govt bets placed with the bookies on the weather predictions issued by Met Office scientists and others hired as &#039;alternative suppliers&#039; for a limited &#039;competitive market testing&#039; phase.....

That way, if they lose a few times, the Govt can sack those whose predictions are rubbish, saying there&#039;s no more money left.

It&#039;d &#039;align stakeholders&#039; interests&#039; far better than the current funding mish-mash, wouldn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should the Met Office be funded by UK Govt bets placed with the bookies on the weather predictions issued by Met Office scientists and others hired as &#8216;alternative suppliers&#8217; for a limited &#8216;competitive market testing&#8217; phase&#8230;..</p>
<p>That way, if they lose a few times, the Govt can sack those whose predictions are rubbish, saying there&#8217;s no more money left.</p>
<p>It&#8217;d &#8216;align stakeholders&#8217; interests&#8217; far better than the current funding mish-mash, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre Gosselin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pierre Gosselin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 08:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe Bastardi seems to agree with the MET this time around.
http://www.accuweather.com/world-bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather

Joe&#039;s predicting a moderate El Nino later this summer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Bastardi seems to agree with the MET this time around.<br />
<a href="http://www.accuweather.com/world-bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather" rel="nofollow">http://www.accuweather.com/world-bastardi-europe-blog.asp?partner=accuweather</a></p>
<p>Joe&#8217;s predicting a moderate El Nino later this summer.</p>
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		<title>By: christopher booker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[christopher booker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 23:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks Anthony and team for yet another tailpiece in my column in today&#039;s (London) Sunday Telegraph:
Summer gales of laughter 
We are “odds on for a barbecue summer”, says the Met Office: temperatures are “likely to be warmer than average”, with “near or below average rainfall”. Cue gales of mirth at the US Watts Up With That blog, which recalls that the Met Office predicted exactly the same last year, when our coolish summer was in fact one of the wettest on record. A year earlier the Met Office predicted that 2007 was “likely to be the warmest year on record globally”, just before temperatures plunged by 0.8 degrees C, one of the sharpest drops on record. 
Is it coincidental that the Met Office’s Hadley Centre boasts that it produces “world class guidance on the science of climate change”?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks Anthony and team for yet another tailpiece in my column in today&#8217;s (London) Sunday Telegraph:<br />
Summer gales of laughter<br />
We are “odds on for a barbecue summer”, says the Met Office: temperatures are “likely to be warmer than average”, with “near or below average rainfall”. Cue gales of mirth at the US Watts Up With That blog, which recalls that the Met Office predicted exactly the same last year, when our coolish summer was in fact one of the wettest on record. A year earlier the Met Office predicted that 2007 was “likely to be the warmest year on record globally”, just before temperatures plunged by 0.8 degrees C, one of the sharpest drops on record.<br />
Is it coincidental that the Met Office’s Hadley Centre boasts that it produces “world class guidance on the science of climate change”?</p>
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		<title>By: rephelan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rephelan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 16:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom P (02:40:34) : 

rephelan,
I don’t know why you are questioning Flanagan’s integrity. The lower plot of figure 6 in the Egan and Mullin paper shows precisely what he states:

“…people tend to belief in global warming as a function of their local temperature. In cold and temperate places, those supporting global waming are the ones with the highest level of education, whose opinion is relatively constant whatever the local temperatures.”


Perhaps I was too hasty in criticizing Flanagan’s integrity.  There is an equal probability that neither you nor Flanagan can interpret a graph.  The paper itself was concerned with the influence of non-ideological information on perceptions of global warming. The non-ideological information in question was the local weather.  The chart referenced showed that the weather, either hotter or colder, had almost no effect on changing the perceptions of the more educated and had the greatest effect on changing the perceptions of the least educated.  The chart does NOT show that more educated people believe in global warming and less educated do not.  The authors own legend for that graph should have given you a clue:

“Figures show predicted probabilities of agreeing there is evidence for global warming when local temperature is much hotter than normal (at the 95th percentile, or 14.7°F above normal) and much cooler than normal (at the 5th percentile, 4.3°F below normal).”  

The conclusion of the paper, as presented in the abstract, was:

“Our results suggest that when politically relevant information is conveyed without ideological cues, political sophistication may prohibit the integration of this information into political beliefs regardless of the direction of one’s predispositions. “

The bottom line is that whether you are an alarmist or denialist,  political sophistication (defined by the authors as either high education or ideological commitment to a party) tends to leave your position on AGW unmoved in the face of your perception of the weather.

Whether Flanagan has an integrity issue or literacy issue, neither choice looks particularly good for Flanagan....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom P (02:40:34) : </p>
<p>rephelan,<br />
I don’t know why you are questioning Flanagan’s integrity. The lower plot of figure 6 in the Egan and Mullin paper shows precisely what he states:</p>
<p>“…people tend to belief in global warming as a function of their local temperature. In cold and temperate places, those supporting global waming are the ones with the highest level of education, whose opinion is relatively constant whatever the local temperatures.”</p>
<p>Perhaps I was too hasty in criticizing Flanagan’s integrity.  There is an equal probability that neither you nor Flanagan can interpret a graph.  The paper itself was concerned with the influence of non-ideological information on perceptions of global warming. The non-ideological information in question was the local weather.  The chart referenced showed that the weather, either hotter or colder, had almost no effect on changing the perceptions of the more educated and had the greatest effect on changing the perceptions of the least educated.  The chart does NOT show that more educated people believe in global warming and less educated do not.  The authors own legend for that graph should have given you a clue:</p>
<p>“Figures show predicted probabilities of agreeing there is evidence for global warming when local temperature is much hotter than normal (at the 95th percentile, or 14.7°F above normal) and much cooler than normal (at the 5th percentile, 4.3°F below normal).”  </p>
<p>The conclusion of the paper, as presented in the abstract, was:</p>
<p>“Our results suggest that when politically relevant information is conveyed without ideological cues, political sophistication may prohibit the integration of this information into political beliefs regardless of the direction of one’s predispositions. “</p>
<p>The bottom line is that whether you are an alarmist or denialist,  political sophistication (defined by the authors as either high education or ideological commitment to a party) tends to leave your position on AGW unmoved in the face of your perception of the weather.</p>
<p>Whether Flanagan has an integrity issue or literacy issue, neither choice looks particularly good for Flanagan&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think we need a competition among WUWT blogists. Who can predict the English summer using the UK Met office data. I think 25% will be right and 25% wrong, 25% will be half right and 25% half wrong.

Can we do better than average?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we need a competition among WUWT blogists. Who can predict the English summer using the UK Met office data. I think 25% will be right and 25% wrong, 25% will be half right and 25% half wrong.</p>
<p>Can we do better than average?</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 05:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jgfox (14:34:10) :

Thank you for writing the email. It &#039;s often best to approach departments in a polite but direct manor. Well done and I will read the reply in full when I have had some sleep. Meanwhile I will comment on a small part of their responce. 

&lt;i&gt;Seasonal trends in weather affect large geographic areas, so the seasonal forecast for the UK is set in the broader context of Europe as a whole. We are also looking at trends over a longer period – the actual weather will be subject to many sub-regional and local variations.&lt;/i&gt;

In the stock market there is the foolish mantra that &quot;the trend is your friend&quot;. This works well when the trend remains intact and everyone is making money but when the trend changes it is the naive that get hurt the most. They can&#039;t bring themselves to believe that the trend has changed and continue to throw more money in, in the believe that the market will resume the trend.

How is it that we throw our tax money at these shallow buffoons? Do they not know that in order to predict any trend you must understand the underlying fundamentals and even then a seemingly random event may disrupt the best of forecasts.

These people advise governments using short term trends to predict the climate years into the future. Although in this instance we are talking about the weather, it is none the less symptomatic of the shoddy state of the many sciences that have been hijacked by those who are running a political or funding agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jgfox (14:34:10) :</p>
<p>Thank you for writing the email. It &#8216;s often best to approach departments in a polite but direct manor. Well done and I will read the reply in full when I have had some sleep. Meanwhile I will comment on a small part of their responce. </p>
<p><i>Seasonal trends in weather affect large geographic areas, so the seasonal forecast for the UK is set in the broader context of Europe as a whole. We are also looking at trends over a longer period – the actual weather will be subject to many sub-regional and local variations.</i></p>
<p>In the stock market there is the foolish mantra that &#8220;the trend is your friend&#8221;. This works well when the trend remains intact and everyone is making money but when the trend changes it is the naive that get hurt the most. They can&#8217;t bring themselves to believe that the trend has changed and continue to throw more money in, in the believe that the market will resume the trend.</p>
<p>How is it that we throw our tax money at these shallow buffoons? Do they not know that in order to predict any trend you must understand the underlying fundamentals and even then a seemingly random event may disrupt the best of forecasts.</p>
<p>These people advise governments using short term trends to predict the climate years into the future. Although in this instance we are talking about the weather, it is none the less symptomatic of the shoddy state of the many sciences that have been hijacked by those who are running a political or funding agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alexej Buergin (12:38:14) :

&lt;blockquote&gt;Americans just do not understand summer in the UK.
I experienced the whole summer of 1992; it was a Wednesday in July between 2:30 pm and 3:30 pm, when the sun broke through the clouds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes I remember well. The pubs ran out of lager.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexej Buergin (12:38:14) :</p>
<blockquote><p>Americans just do not understand summer in the UK.<br />
I experienced the whole summer of 1992; it was a Wednesday in July between 2:30 pm and 3:30 pm, when the sun broke through the clouds.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes I remember well. The pubs ran out of lager.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 03:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clark (12:16:32) :

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow, look at the change in attitude! A year ago a warm summer would be a global warming disaster. Now:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;“After two disappointingly-wet summers, the signs are much more promising this year.”&lt;/i&gt;

They mean &lt;b&gt;they&lt;/b&gt; predicted a two hot and dry summers and were disappointed. Now they are predicting a warmer dryer summer and by the mighty god of averages it looks jolly promising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark (12:16:32) :</p>
<blockquote><p>Wow, look at the change in attitude! A year ago a warm summer would be a global warming disaster. Now:</p></blockquote>
<p><i>“After two disappointingly-wet summers, the signs are much more promising this year.”</i></p>
<p>They mean <b>they</b> predicted a two hot and dry summers and were disappointed. Now they are predicting a warmer dryer summer and by the mighty god of averages it looks jolly promising.</p>
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