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	<title>Comments on: Is Climate Change the &#8220;Defining Challenge of Our Age&#8221;? Part 1 of 3</title>
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		<title>By: John A. Jauregui</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John A. Jauregui]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 05:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An interesting reality jumps out when you study Mann&#039;s bristlecone proxy data and the infamous &quot;hockey stick&quot; graphic his process produces.  The reality the tree ring data and Mann&#039;s graphic reveal is that nothing has done more to &quot;GREEN&quot; the planet in the past few decades than elevated levels of CO2 in the presence of mild sun-driven warming.  That&#039;s the natural science.  In the face of huge volumes of data and studies to the contrary, political science has twisted this reality in a truly breath-taking Orwellian manner into 1) warming similar to the Roman Warm Period and Medieval Warm Period is bad, 2) warming is caused by an infinitesimal trace gas essential to life supporting photosynthesis, 3) human&#039;s 3% annual contribution to a CO2 starved biosphere is putting the planet at some sort of risk.  Just how high would fuel bills have to be elevated by Cap Tax to cut world hydrocarbon output by 1/3, or net 1%?  What would such a reduction do to accumulations of CO2?  That&#039;s right, it&#039;s quite literally in the noise, if you know anything about control theory.  The cost is off the page.  Like this recession?  Then just wait for Cap&amp;Tax.  All of this then begs the question, “If humans can’t reasonably be expected to control the production of CO2, how they can possibly be responsible for the, as yet unproven, horrors of Global Warming?&quot;  The answer is, &quot;they cannot and are not responsible.&quot;  The true proxy is the political science myth of Global Warming, foisted on a scientifically illiterate public as a distracting red herring to deal with the operational and economic exigencies of permanently declining oil production worldwide without actually revealing or discussing in the open media the most critical national security issue of our time.  Doubt this assertion?  Then just read all of the IPCC technical reports together with the most recent IEA oil production forecast. Too hard and time consuming?  Okay, then just relax and believe the propaganda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interesting reality jumps out when you study Mann&#8217;s bristlecone proxy data and the infamous &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; graphic his process produces.  The reality the tree ring data and Mann&#8217;s graphic reveal is that nothing has done more to &#8220;GREEN&#8221; the planet in the past few decades than elevated levels of CO2 in the presence of mild sun-driven warming.  That&#8217;s the natural science.  In the face of huge volumes of data and studies to the contrary, political science has twisted this reality in a truly breath-taking Orwellian manner into 1) warming similar to the Roman Warm Period and Medieval Warm Period is bad, 2) warming is caused by an infinitesimal trace gas essential to life supporting photosynthesis, 3) human&#8217;s 3% annual contribution to a CO2 starved biosphere is putting the planet at some sort of risk.  Just how high would fuel bills have to be elevated by Cap Tax to cut world hydrocarbon output by 1/3, or net 1%?  What would such a reduction do to accumulations of CO2?  That&#8217;s right, it&#8217;s quite literally in the noise, if you know anything about control theory.  The cost is off the page.  Like this recession?  Then just wait for Cap&amp;Tax.  All of this then begs the question, “If humans can’t reasonably be expected to control the production of CO2, how they can possibly be responsible for the, as yet unproven, horrors of Global Warming?&#8221;  The answer is, &#8220;they cannot and are not responsible.&#8221;  The true proxy is the political science myth of Global Warming, foisted on a scientifically illiterate public as a distracting red herring to deal with the operational and economic exigencies of permanently declining oil production worldwide without actually revealing or discussing in the open media the most critical national security issue of our time.  Doubt this assertion?  Then just read all of the IPCC technical reports together with the most recent IEA oil production forecast. Too hard and time consuming?  Okay, then just relax and believe the propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: woodNfish</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[woodNfish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has nothing to do with education, Pamela. It has to do with the fact that they will not help themselves. The truth is often unpleasant, but it is still the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has nothing to do with education, Pamela. It has to do with the fact that they will not help themselves. The truth is often unpleasant, but it is still the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blame education and Africans are lazy.

Heavens.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blame education and Africans are lazy.</p>
<p>Heavens.</p>
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		<title>By: ralph ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ralph ellis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;How can local (African for example) farmers compete with EU subsidies where imported food is cheaper than locally grown food?&quot;

Simple -  they subsidise their own food prices.  What, they cannot, you say?

Well the full answer is that Africa is poor and cannot subside food prices, but that is only so because of political and social corruption, and the fact that Africans cannot/will not work as hard or efficiently as Westerners.

By rights Africa should be the richest continent in the world, as it has every resource possible.  It has also has had self-determination for thousands of years prior to the Empire and 50 years post the Empire.  Yet Africa still cannot feed itself, let alone produce wealth.

And let us not fall into the Liberal trap of saying the Empire held Africa back.  The Empire built nearly all of the infrastructure that Africa still uses today, plus installed tried and trusted political and social management structures, so that Africa might prosper.  

However  -  under the Empire, Rhodesia used to feed much of Africa, while under local rule it survives on hand-outs from the UN World Food Program.

The plight of Africa in NOT the West&#039;s problem, it is an African problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How can local (African for example) farmers compete with EU subsidies where imported food is cheaper than locally grown food?&#8221;</p>
<p>Simple &#8211;  they subsidise their own food prices.  What, they cannot, you say?</p>
<p>Well the full answer is that Africa is poor and cannot subside food prices, but that is only so because of political and social corruption, and the fact that Africans cannot/will not work as hard or efficiently as Westerners.</p>
<p>By rights Africa should be the richest continent in the world, as it has every resource possible.  It has also has had self-determination for thousands of years prior to the Empire and 50 years post the Empire.  Yet Africa still cannot feed itself, let alone produce wealth.</p>
<p>And let us not fall into the Liberal trap of saying the Empire held Africa back.  The Empire built nearly all of the infrastructure that Africa still uses today, plus installed tried and trusted political and social management structures, so that Africa might prosper.  </p>
<p>However  &#8211;  under the Empire, Rhodesia used to feed much of Africa, while under local rule it survives on hand-outs from the UN World Food Program.</p>
<p>The plight of Africa in NOT the West&#8217;s problem, it is an African problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the modest warming we enjoyed during the last century has been overall beneficial in lots of ways. That&#039;s not surprising, as history teaches us that mankind prospers when the world gets warmer. It&#039;s when the world gets colder that people starve and civilisations fail.
 
The Nature article mentions malnutrition as a cause of death linked to AGW. About a year ago I found some data from one of the world organisations, it might have been the World Agricultural Organisation. The data, up to around 2005, showed that the global amount of food produced per head of population had been steadily rising. In other words, the amount of food was increasing faster than the population. So much for alarmism. It&#039;s ironic that one factor contributing to this increase is almost certainly that well-known pollutant, carbon dioxide.

 It&#039;s also ironic that the Nature summary says: &quot;....and sprawling cities where the urban heat island effect could intensify extreme climatic events&quot;. Oooops, I thought UHI didn&#039;t exist or was entirely insignificant, according to the alarmists. If UHI can kill people, imagine what it could do to the temperature measurements that underpin AGW!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the modest warming we enjoyed during the last century has been overall beneficial in lots of ways. That&#8217;s not surprising, as history teaches us that mankind prospers when the world gets warmer. It&#8217;s when the world gets colder that people starve and civilisations fail.</p>
<p>The Nature article mentions malnutrition as a cause of death linked to AGW. About a year ago I found some data from one of the world organisations, it might have been the World Agricultural Organisation. The data, up to around 2005, showed that the global amount of food produced per head of population had been steadily rising. In other words, the amount of food was increasing faster than the population. So much for alarmism. It&#8217;s ironic that one factor contributing to this increase is almost certainly that well-known pollutant, carbon dioxide.</p>
<p> It&#8217;s also ironic that the Nature summary says: &#8220;&#8230;.and sprawling cities where the urban heat island effect could intensify extreme climatic events&#8221;. Oooops, I thought UHI didn&#8217;t exist or was entirely insignificant, according to the alarmists. If UHI can kill people, imagine what it could do to the temperature measurements that underpin AGW!</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wendt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Wendt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 05:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You shouldn&#039;t require three posts to answer the question in the title. You don&#039;t even need three letters, just two, NO. The real &quot;Defining Challenge of Our Age&quot; is the struggle of science and rationality to survive and hopefully prevail against the power hungry ideologues who have discovered that serially creating and exploiting fantasy catastrophe crises is a dandy way of amassing power and control over the rest of us. Unfortunately the forces of science, logic and rationality are beginning to resemble that lonely group of valiant Jewish rebels holed up at Masada with the full power of imperial Rome arrayed against them. In these days the forces of empire include an educational system entirely dedicated to telling its&#039; students what to think and not at all interested in teaching them how to think. Arrayed alongside we have the legions of &quot;news&quot;,advertising, and entertainment types who are either ignorant stooges or active accomplices in spreading the propaganda that supports today&#039;s chosen &quot;Big Lie&quot;. Like the defenders at Masada the defenders of science find their supplies dwindling as they are systematically excluded from funding and publication of their work. But what they do have that Masada lacked, which will hopefully break the depressing trend of this analogy, is a line of communication to those nascent rebels who are beginning to chafe under the increasing strictures of imperial rule. This site and others like it constitute that line of communication, but unless the readers here are willing to take what they learn and amplify and spread the message, which admittedly can be a maddening and thankless task, I fear my Masada analogy will come to closure with the forces of true science sharing the same fate as that rocky fortress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You shouldn&#8217;t require three posts to answer the question in the title. You don&#8217;t even need three letters, just two, NO. The real &#8220;Defining Challenge of Our Age&#8221; is the struggle of science and rationality to survive and hopefully prevail against the power hungry ideologues who have discovered that serially creating and exploiting fantasy catastrophe crises is a dandy way of amassing power and control over the rest of us. Unfortunately the forces of science, logic and rationality are beginning to resemble that lonely group of valiant Jewish rebels holed up at Masada with the full power of imperial Rome arrayed against them. In these days the forces of empire include an educational system entirely dedicated to telling its&#8217; students what to think and not at all interested in teaching them how to think. Arrayed alongside we have the legions of &#8220;news&#8221;,advertising, and entertainment types who are either ignorant stooges or active accomplices in spreading the propaganda that supports today&#8217;s chosen &#8220;Big Lie&#8221;. Like the defenders at Masada the defenders of science find their supplies dwindling as they are systematically excluded from funding and publication of their work. But what they do have that Masada lacked, which will hopefully break the depressing trend of this analogy, is a line of communication to those nascent rebels who are beginning to chafe under the increasing strictures of imperial rule. This site and others like it constitute that line of communication, but unless the readers here are willing to take what they learn and amplify and spread the message, which admittedly can be a maddening and thankless task, I fear my Masada analogy will come to closure with the forces of true science sharing the same fate as that rocky fortress.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 04:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My great-grandfather came over the Oregon Trail in 1878.  He got snowbound in the Wallowa valley, unable to get through the months long blizzard conditions in the Blues at that time and continue on to the Willamette Valley, his original destination.  Because of the remoteness of the Wallowa valley and lack of infrastructure to connect area to area, the people of the valley developed their own homegrown industries, eventually shipping timber and lumber, cream, butter, wool, livestock, both on and off the hoof, and flour out of the county and into areas that were timber heavy but farm and ranch poor.  

What did we use for energy?  Most everything was run on work animal energy, wood, oil, coal, and water power.  But even that was heavily supplemented with elbow grease.  There was even a refrigeration company.  They would go down to the rivers and streams and cut ice blocks for delivery to sawdust and straw insulated ice houses.  Some families had their own, others shared their&#039;s.  The house I currently live in on the weekends still has an icehouse as well as a shelf-lined cellar that could function as food storage tomorrow if I needed it.  Beyond that, a bit of cash and the barter system worked quite well to keep a roof over your head, fill everyone&#039;s bellies, put shoes on your feet, and warm clothes on your backs.  

We are not too far removed from that time, especially if the cost of energy, in particular, green energy, gets out of hand, and it turns nasty cold.  But I&#039;m not worried.  When things get tough, there are still people around who will find a way to survive and even thrive in cold, dry landscapes.  We are no better than the animals around us at doing that, but they seem to do pretty well.  So I&#039;m not worried.  Nature will take its course.  Grasshoppers will fail to store up food, and squirrels will fill every hollow tree with it.  This is just the way life is.  There isn&#039;t much you can do to convince grasshoppers to change their habits and prepare for shortages, or cold, or lack of income.  And you can&#039;t stop squirrels from getting ready for bad times.

Now I am not one to be the town crier heralding a coming ice age.  But grandma always said, even in the blistering heat of summer, &quot;take your jacket with you&quot;.  She was a squirrel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My great-grandfather came over the Oregon Trail in 1878.  He got snowbound in the Wallowa valley, unable to get through the months long blizzard conditions in the Blues at that time and continue on to the Willamette Valley, his original destination.  Because of the remoteness of the Wallowa valley and lack of infrastructure to connect area to area, the people of the valley developed their own homegrown industries, eventually shipping timber and lumber, cream, butter, wool, livestock, both on and off the hoof, and flour out of the county and into areas that were timber heavy but farm and ranch poor.  </p>
<p>What did we use for energy?  Most everything was run on work animal energy, wood, oil, coal, and water power.  But even that was heavily supplemented with elbow grease.  There was even a refrigeration company.  They would go down to the rivers and streams and cut ice blocks for delivery to sawdust and straw insulated ice houses.  Some families had their own, others shared their&#8217;s.  The house I currently live in on the weekends still has an icehouse as well as a shelf-lined cellar that could function as food storage tomorrow if I needed it.  Beyond that, a bit of cash and the barter system worked quite well to keep a roof over your head, fill everyone&#8217;s bellies, put shoes on your feet, and warm clothes on your backs.  </p>
<p>We are not too far removed from that time, especially if the cost of energy, in particular, green energy, gets out of hand, and it turns nasty cold.  But I&#8217;m not worried.  When things get tough, there are still people around who will find a way to survive and even thrive in cold, dry landscapes.  We are no better than the animals around us at doing that, but they seem to do pretty well.  So I&#8217;m not worried.  Nature will take its course.  Grasshoppers will fail to store up food, and squirrels will fill every hollow tree with it.  This is just the way life is.  There isn&#8217;t much you can do to convince grasshoppers to change their habits and prepare for shortages, or cold, or lack of income.  And you can&#8217;t stop squirrels from getting ready for bad times.</p>
<p>Now I am not one to be the town crier heralding a coming ice age.  But grandma always said, even in the blistering heat of summer, &#8220;take your jacket with you&#8221;.  She was a squirrel.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F. Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 03:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J.Hansford (22:08:24) :

Without cheap energy, you cannot produce cheap and plentiful water and food or build effective industry.


Exactly! Probably followed by the fall of civilization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.Hansford (22:08:24) :</p>
<p>Without cheap energy, you cannot produce cheap and plentiful water and food or build effective industry.</p>
<p>Exactly! Probably followed by the fall of civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Sowell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Sowell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a reminder, the comments are open for the EPA&#039;s CO2 Endangerment Finding.  

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=SubmitComment&amp;o=090000648096894b]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a reminder, the comments are open for the EPA&#8217;s CO2 Endangerment Finding.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=SubmitComment&#038;o=090000648096894b" rel="nofollow">http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=SubmitComment&#038;o=090000648096894b</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Hebbard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Hebbard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The news that it could get VERY cold in the next two decades is slowly seeping into the heads of state in China and the Mid East Countries.  

The linked article http://www.ifpri.org/pubs/bp/bp013.asp speaks clearly of purchasing land in areas (eg Africa) likely to be productive during climate cooling.  So far the Press has atributed it to high food proces, but that will soon change.

Then Climate Change will truly be seen as the Defining Challenge...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news that it could get VERY cold in the next two decades is slowly seeping into the heads of state in China and the Mid East Countries.  </p>
<p>The linked article <a href="http://www.ifpri.org/pubs/bp/bp013.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifpri.org/pubs/bp/bp013.asp</a> speaks clearly of purchasing land in areas (eg Africa) likely to be productive during climate cooling.  So far the Press has atributed it to high food proces, but that will soon change.</p>
<p>Then Climate Change will truly be seen as the Defining Challenge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;&quot;   crosspatch (22:45:32) : 

Considering that it is estimated that about 2 million children under 5 die from diarrhea every year, I think that “unsafe water” number might be low. Measles kills about 500,000. About the same number die from flu every year. 

If we are worried about “climate change” then it means times much really be so good we have no real pressing concerns to occupy ourselves with.   &quot;&quot;&quot;


Well the proper term for that diarrhea is probably Cholera, which you almost can&#039;t cure, because it has already done its damage by the time the D symptoms develop.

Luckily the treatment is extremely simple and very effective; namely electrolyte replacement.   A cholera victim literally cannot drink enough water to stop the dehydration; even if they stuck a running hose down their throat.
But replacing the lost salts etc can bring a child back from the very brink of imminent death; essentially super Gatorade is the ticket.  The disease has already run its course but you have to stop the liquid loss due to destruction of the surface layer of the colon cells.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"   crosspatch (22:45:32) : </p>
<p>Considering that it is estimated that about 2 million children under 5 die from diarrhea every year, I think that “unsafe water” number might be low. Measles kills about 500,000. About the same number die from flu every year. </p>
<p>If we are worried about “climate change” then it means times much really be so good we have no real pressing concerns to occupy ourselves with.   &#8220;&#8221;"</p>
<p>Well the proper term for that diarrhea is probably Cholera, which you almost can&#8217;t cure, because it has already done its damage by the time the D symptoms develop.</p>
<p>Luckily the treatment is extremely simple and very effective; namely electrolyte replacement.   A cholera victim literally cannot drink enough water to stop the dehydration; even if they stuck a running hose down their throat.<br />
But replacing the lost salts etc can bring a child back from the very brink of imminent death; essentially super Gatorade is the ticket.  The disease has already run its course but you have to stop the liquid loss due to destruction of the surface layer of the colon cells.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron de Haan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron de Haan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[News we can&#039;t hear enough:

April 29, 2009

Roy Spencer rips the IPCC and &quot;climate thugs&quot;
&quot;The IPCC has advertised itself to be the most authoritative scientific body for keeping the world informed on man-made climate change. But the IPCC is more of a policy-oriented body that uses cherry-picked scientific research to further its agenda. Their enlistment of most of the world’s leading climate researchers allows them to simply dismiss any other scientists who disagree with them. Their goal has always been to build the scientific case for global warming being man made and damaging, thereby enabling governmental control over the world’s energy supply. The free market will no longer be free.

The IPCC is supported by climate thugs who run the website RealClimate.org where they demonize any scientists who dare to disagree with the “scientific consensus” on global warming. These folks still don’t realize something that even the public knows: “Consensus” is a political term, not a scientific one.

And in the process of achieving their goals, the leaders of the IPCC have corrupted a scientific discipline for their own political, philosophical, financial and career-enhancement reasons. The blame does not lie with the hundreds of climate scientists involved in the IPCC effort. They are largely along for the ride, being assured of continued government funding for research to work on a topic that everyone agrees sounds important— saving the Earth from climate change.

But whereas climatology used to involve collecting and analyzing observations of the Earth in order to figure out how nature works, most climate research money is now funneled into increasingly expensive and complex computerized climate models—which are claimed to be correct simply because they are so expensive and so complex.

The time has long passed for Americans to demand that the activities of the IPCC be reviewed. For instance, the IPCC never seriously investigated the possibility that climate change might be largely natural. After all, natural climate variability is its enemy: It distracts from the claim that mankind is now the main driver of the climate system.

The IPCC insists that increasing CO2 due to mankind is the only known reason for global warming. And it is right—it is the only one known to IPCC scientists because they have covered their eyes and ears whenever they are confronted with evidence to the contrary. The IPCC has never asked for government funding of research to see if, just maybe, there are natural reasons for global warming.

And this is where new science is chipping away at the house of cards the IPCC has built for itself. I now believe that the IPCC’s most significant scientific blunder has been its continuing insistence that global cloud cover, the main determinant of global temperatures, always remains the same. For if global cloud cover can change naturally, then global temperatures can also change naturally, and that would open the door to the possibility that global warming is more natural than man made. ...
The IPCC’s second major scientific blunder has been its use of computerized climate models as the ultimate authority to answer climate questions. Contrary to our actual observations of the climate system, these models predict that the little bit of warming from the extra CO2 we pump into the atmosphere will be greatly amplified by changes in clouds. But the available satellite evidence of the real climate system, when interpreted properly, shows just the opposite: Clouds tend to reduce warming tendencies in the climate system, not amplify them.

The IPCC knows about this discrepancy between its models and the observations, but their explanation is that the models are right and the observations are wrong. ...

If you are wondering why NASA’s James Hansen—the godfather of global warming research—thinks the climate system is hypersensitive to the extra CO2, it is because he ignores the observational evidence from today’s climate system. He instead relies upon speculative and unprovable interpretations of how the climate system was allegedly working hundreds of thousands to millions of years ago. ...

It is time for the public to tell our elected representatives to start asking some hard questions about our country’s reliance on the IPCC for definitive answers regarding global warming. The IPCC’s demand to be believed just because it has created the largest infrastructure and the biggest climate models should be tolerated no longer.&quot; &quot;Global Warming Gloom and Doom Cools Off&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News we can&#8217;t hear enough:</p>
<p>April 29, 2009</p>
<p>Roy Spencer rips the IPCC and &#8220;climate thugs&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The IPCC has advertised itself to be the most authoritative scientific body for keeping the world informed on man-made climate change. But the IPCC is more of a policy-oriented body that uses cherry-picked scientific research to further its agenda. Their enlistment of most of the world’s leading climate researchers allows them to simply dismiss any other scientists who disagree with them. Their goal has always been to build the scientific case for global warming being man made and damaging, thereby enabling governmental control over the world’s energy supply. The free market will no longer be free.</p>
<p>The IPCC is supported by climate thugs who run the website RealClimate.org where they demonize any scientists who dare to disagree with the “scientific consensus” on global warming. These folks still don’t realize something that even the public knows: “Consensus” is a political term, not a scientific one.</p>
<p>And in the process of achieving their goals, the leaders of the IPCC have corrupted a scientific discipline for their own political, philosophical, financial and career-enhancement reasons. The blame does not lie with the hundreds of climate scientists involved in the IPCC effort. They are largely along for the ride, being assured of continued government funding for research to work on a topic that everyone agrees sounds important— saving the Earth from climate change.</p>
<p>But whereas climatology used to involve collecting and analyzing observations of the Earth in order to figure out how nature works, most climate research money is now funneled into increasingly expensive and complex computerized climate models—which are claimed to be correct simply because they are so expensive and so complex.</p>
<p>The time has long passed for Americans to demand that the activities of the IPCC be reviewed. For instance, the IPCC never seriously investigated the possibility that climate change might be largely natural. After all, natural climate variability is its enemy: It distracts from the claim that mankind is now the main driver of the climate system.</p>
<p>The IPCC insists that increasing CO2 due to mankind is the only known reason for global warming. And it is right—it is the only one known to IPCC scientists because they have covered their eyes and ears whenever they are confronted with evidence to the contrary. The IPCC has never asked for government funding of research to see if, just maybe, there are natural reasons for global warming.</p>
<p>And this is where new science is chipping away at the house of cards the IPCC has built for itself. I now believe that the IPCC’s most significant scientific blunder has been its continuing insistence that global cloud cover, the main determinant of global temperatures, always remains the same. For if global cloud cover can change naturally, then global temperatures can also change naturally, and that would open the door to the possibility that global warming is more natural than man made. &#8230;<br />
The IPCC’s second major scientific blunder has been its use of computerized climate models as the ultimate authority to answer climate questions. Contrary to our actual observations of the climate system, these models predict that the little bit of warming from the extra CO2 we pump into the atmosphere will be greatly amplified by changes in clouds. But the available satellite evidence of the real climate system, when interpreted properly, shows just the opposite: Clouds tend to reduce warming tendencies in the climate system, not amplify them.</p>
<p>The IPCC knows about this discrepancy between its models and the observations, but their explanation is that the models are right and the observations are wrong. &#8230;</p>
<p>If you are wondering why NASA’s James Hansen—the godfather of global warming research—thinks the climate system is hypersensitive to the extra CO2, it is because he ignores the observational evidence from today’s climate system. He instead relies upon speculative and unprovable interpretations of how the climate system was allegedly working hundreds of thousands to millions of years ago. &#8230;</p>
<p>It is time for the public to tell our elected representatives to start asking some hard questions about our country’s reliance on the IPCC for definitive answers regarding global warming. The IPCC’s demand to be believed just because it has created the largest infrastructure and the biggest climate models should be tolerated no longer.&#8221; &#8220;Global Warming Gloom and Doom Cools Off&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A change of minus a few degrees of mean global temperature would be a significant challenge. That is the type of climate change I personally worry about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A change of minus a few degrees of mean global temperature would be a significant challenge. That is the type of climate change I personally worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: old construction worker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[old construction worker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, only .03 deaths contributed to “CO2 drive the climate” theory.
You would think the population crowd would want that figure higher and protest against any type of CO2 regulation. 
But aren’t they the same ones that want to regulate CO2?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, only .03 deaths contributed to “CO2 drive the climate” theory.<br />
You would think the population crowd would want that figure higher and protest against any type of CO2 regulation.<br />
But aren’t they the same ones that want to regulate CO2?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Jonas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 21:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike Nicholson (02:46:10) : &quot;&lt;i&gt;[...] Please correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I read, about 95% of the greenhouse effect is created by water vapour, and that only about 3.6% is created by CO2. Given that only 3.2% of all CO2 is produced by mankind, [...] even if mankind suddenly ceased to exist, the effect on the climate would be ludicrously small. Or have I got it all wrong??&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

The debate is about &lt;b&gt;change&lt;/b&gt; in global temps, so your figures can be all correct yet dismissed as irrelevant (as happens to every inconvenient fact).

The IPCC only attributes about 40% of its projected global warming to CO2 directly. It relies on &quot;feedbacks&quot; from water vapour and clouds for the remaining 60% (c.20%, 40% resp). It is now clear, from recent peer-reviewed papers, that these &quot;feedbacks&quot; are not happening. In fact, absolutely nothing predicted by the IPCC is actually happening.

As this is yet another inconvenient fact, it is of course being ignored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Nicholson (02:46:10) : &#8220;<i>[...] Please correct me if I’m wrong, but from what I read, about 95% of the greenhouse effect is created by water vapour, and that only about 3.6% is created by CO2. Given that only 3.2% of all CO2 is produced by mankind, [...] even if mankind suddenly ceased to exist, the effect on the climate would be ludicrously small. Or have I got it all wrong??</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>The debate is about <b>change</b> in global temps, so your figures can be all correct yet dismissed as irrelevant (as happens to every inconvenient fact).</p>
<p>The IPCC only attributes about 40% of its projected global warming to CO2 directly. It relies on &#8220;feedbacks&#8221; from water vapour and clouds for the remaining 60% (c.20%, 40% resp). It is now clear, from recent peer-reviewed papers, that these &#8220;feedbacks&#8221; are not happening. In fact, absolutely nothing predicted by the IPCC is actually happening.</p>
<p>As this is yet another inconvenient fact, it is of course being ignored.</p>
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