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	<title>Comments on: Examining SORCE data shows the Sun continues its slide toward somnolence</title>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125654</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 03:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (13:40:34) :
&lt;i&gt;And I wonder how many &lt;b&gt;decent&lt;/b&gt; scientists choose to not participate because…&lt;/i&gt;

as opposed to &lt;b&gt;indecent&lt;/b&gt; scientists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (13:40:34) :<br />
<i>And I wonder how many <b>decent</b> scientists choose to not participate because…</i></p>
<p>as opposed to <b>indecent</b> scientists?</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125629</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 02:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (13:40:34) :
&lt;i&gt;And I wonder how many decent scientists choose to not participate because...&lt;/i&gt;
It is normal and decent scientific behavior that if a challenge is issued, the scientist challenged gets to know what the challenge is and gets a forum to rebut the challenge. In the usual Journals there are rather strict rules for how this should play out: you can submit a &#039;comment&#039; [usually negative] on a published paper, to which the scientist being challenged has a right to rebut with a &#039;reply&#039;. The &#039;comment&#039; and &#039;reply&#039; will then be published back-to-back...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (13:40:34) :<br />
<i>And I wonder how many decent scientists choose to not participate because&#8230;</i><br />
It is normal and decent scientific behavior that if a challenge is issued, the scientist challenged gets to know what the challenge is and gets a forum to rebut the challenge. In the usual Journals there are rather strict rules for how this should play out: you can submit a &#8216;comment&#8217; [usually negative] on a published paper, to which the scientist being challenged has a right to rebut with a &#8216;reply&#8217;. The &#8216;comment&#8217; and &#8216;reply&#8217; will then be published back-to-back&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125524</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 20:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many scientists read this blog.

And I wonder how many &lt;b&gt;decent&lt;/b&gt; scientists choose to &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; participate because:
1.
There is no mechanism to ensure that it will be &lt;i&gt;respected&lt;/i&gt; if they announce that they want to &lt;i&gt;drop&lt;/i&gt; a volley with another commenter (who they may perceive as hostile, severely biased, narrowly linear, or politically motivated, for example).
2.
There is no mechanism to prevent other commenters from projecting the &lt;i&gt;false&lt;/i&gt; logic that if someone exits a volley, they have forfeited.  (They may simply be &lt;i&gt;sensibly&lt;/i&gt; steering clear of wasting their time in an exchange with someone who is ideologically &lt;i&gt;entrenched&lt;/i&gt;, for example.)
3.
Ad hominem attacks are allowed (and &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt; this &lt;i&gt;promotes&lt;/i&gt; flame-exchanges).

I am inspired to think of ways to help WUWT pull in truck-loads of money so that moderators can be paid TOP coin to ENFORCE decent standards of conduct.

My theory is that a little gentrification of the online climate discussion would increase by an order of magnitude &lt;i&gt;or more&lt;/i&gt; the number of &lt;i&gt;decent&lt;/i&gt; scientists willing to comment and share their &lt;i&gt;valuable&lt;/i&gt; knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many scientists read this blog.</p>
<p>And I wonder how many <b>decent</b> scientists choose to <b>not</b> participate because:<br />
1.<br />
There is no mechanism to ensure that it will be <i>respected</i> if they announce that they want to <i>drop</i> a volley with another commenter (who they may perceive as hostile, severely biased, narrowly linear, or politically motivated, for example).<br />
2.<br />
There is no mechanism to prevent other commenters from projecting the <i>false</i> logic that if someone exits a volley, they have forfeited.  (They may simply be <i>sensibly</i> steering clear of wasting their time in an exchange with someone who is ideologically <i>entrenched</i>, for example.)<br />
3.<br />
Ad hominem attacks are allowed (and <i>obviously</i> this <i>promotes</i> flame-exchanges).</p>
<p>I am inspired to think of ways to help WUWT pull in truck-loads of money so that moderators can be paid TOP coin to ENFORCE decent standards of conduct.</p>
<p>My theory is that a little gentrification of the online climate discussion would increase by an order of magnitude <i>or more</i> the number of <i>decent</i> scientists willing to comment and share their <i>valuable</i> knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125377</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 14:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (23:07:50) :
&lt;i&gt;a casual reader,&lt;/i&gt;
You are not a casual reader, and furthermore, you knew the context, and you make the assumption that anybody cares about who said what.</description>
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<i>a casual reader,</i><br />
You are not a casual reader, and furthermore, you knew the context, and you make the assumption that anybody cares about who said what.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125269</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 06:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Leif Svalgaard (19:17:34)

Few of the quoting conventions I see are unambiguous for a casual reader, who might, for example, find this thread via Google search and have no idea what Leif Svalgaard&#039;s quoting convention is.  (This is not a complaint - just an observation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Leif Svalgaard (19:17:34)</p>
<p>Few of the quoting conventions I see are unambiguous for a casual reader, who might, for example, find this thread via Google search and have no idea what Leif Svalgaard&#8217;s quoting convention is.  (This is not a complaint &#8211; just an observation.)</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125197</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 02:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (15:28:09) :
&lt;i&gt;Some of the sloppy quotation ‘conventions’ obfuscate the record. Sometimes the obfuscation appears deliberate (and for clarity: no specific accusation is being made).&lt;/i&gt;
My convention [and what else is important when discussing my postings?] are not sloppy, but extremely consistent, to the very best of my ability. About the accusations: you cannot have it both ways.

&lt;i&gt;I tentatively interpret this as a positive sign.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;
I don&#039;t think anybody is interested in what you consider positive. I&#039;m not, for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (15:28:09) :<br />
<i>Some of the sloppy quotation ‘conventions’ obfuscate the record. Sometimes the obfuscation appears deliberate (and for clarity: no specific accusation is being made).</i><br />
My convention [and what else is important when discussing my postings?] are not sloppy, but extremely consistent, to the very best of my ability. About the accusations: you cannot have it both ways.</p>
<p><i>I tentatively interpret this as a positive sign.</i>&lt;<br />
I don&#8217;t think anybody is interested in what you consider positive. I&#8217;m not, for one.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125107</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 22:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Leif Svalgaard (14:42:52) :
&quot;[...] the convention used [...]&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Some of the sloppy quotation &#039;conventions&#039; obfuscate the record.  Sometimes the obfuscation appears deliberate (and for clarity: no specific accusation is being made).

- -
&lt;i&gt;Leif:  &quot;This makes no sense [...]&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree ---- &amp; I both &lt;i&gt;respect and concur with&lt;/i&gt; your wish to not debate this.

-
In this instance, we have &lt;i&gt;efficiently&lt;/i&gt; both agreed &amp; disagreed respectfully.

I tentatively interpret this as a &lt;b&gt;positive&lt;/b&gt; sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Leif Svalgaard (14:42:52) :<br />
&#8220;[...] the convention used [...]&#8220;</i></p>
<p>Some of the sloppy quotation &#8216;conventions&#8217; obfuscate the record.  Sometimes the obfuscation appears deliberate (and for clarity: no specific accusation is being made).</p>
<p>- -<br />
<i>Leif:  &#8220;This makes no sense [...]&#8220;</i></p>
<p>I disagree &#8212;- &amp; I both <i>respect and concur with</i> your wish to not debate this.</p>
<p>-<br />
In this instance, we have <i>efficiently</i> both agreed &amp; disagreed respectfully.</p>
<p>I tentatively interpret this as a <b>positive</b> sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125091</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 21:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (11:51:06) :
&lt;i&gt;Error in the record:
At (16:27:02) Leif Svalgaard quotes Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44) as saying:
“People can agree to disagree respectfully”&lt;/i&gt;

No, you have not picked up on the convention used. The first level quote is done simply by using italics, like in above.
If within the italics, there are further quotation marks they mean that they enclose a further quote (that I was quoting someone else - in casu you). So, no error, and no [silly] correction needed.
-
&lt;i&gt;I would add:
They can also choose to do so efficiently.
(Freedom is practical.)&lt;/i&gt;
This makes no sense (and for clarity: I do not wish to debate this).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (11:51:06) :<br />
<i>Error in the record:<br />
At (16:27:02) Leif Svalgaard quotes Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44) as saying:<br />
“People can agree to disagree respectfully”</i></p>
<p>No, you have not picked up on the convention used. The first level quote is done simply by using italics, like in above.<br />
If within the italics, there are further quotation marks they mean that they enclose a further quote (that I was quoting someone else &#8211; in casu you). So, no error, and no [silly] correction needed.<br />
-<br />
<i>I would add:<br />
They can also choose to do so efficiently.<br />
(Freedom is practical.)</i><br />
This makes no sense (and for clarity: I do not wish to debate this).</p>
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		<title>By: PaulHClark</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulHClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 19:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leif Svalgaard (11:21:47) : 

Thank you so much.</description>
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<p>Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125021</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Error in the record:
At (16:27:02) Leif Svalgaard quotes Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44) as saying:
“People can agree to disagree respectfully”
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Correction:
Paul Vaughan (14:47:31)
&quot;People can agree to disagree respectfully.&quot;
-
I would add:
They can also choose to do so &lt;i&gt;efficiently&lt;/i&gt;.
(Freedom is practical.)

- - -
&lt;i&gt;Leif Svalgaard (21:30:31)
&quot;[...]  my initial training was atmospheric physics.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I respect this - thank you for pointing it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Error in the record:<br />
At (16:27:02) Leif Svalgaard quotes Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44) as saying:<br />
“People can agree to disagree respectfully”<br />
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Correction:<br />
Paul Vaughan (14:47:31)<br />
&#8220;People can agree to disagree respectfully.&#8221;<br />
-<br />
I would add:<br />
They can also choose to do so <i>efficiently</i>.<br />
(Freedom is practical.)</p>
<p>- &#8211; -<br />
<i>Leif Svalgaard (21:30:31)<br />
&#8220;[...]  my initial training was atmospheric physics.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I respect this &#8211; thank you for pointing it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-125002</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 18:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulHClark (09:07:32) :
&lt;i&gt;I am trying to understand a bit more about solar flares&lt;/i&gt;

There is good stuff here too:
http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/~tohban/wiki/index.php/RHESSI_Science_Nuggets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulHClark (09:07:32) :<br />
<i>I am trying to understand a bit more about solar flares</i></p>
<p>There is good stuff here too:<br />
<a href="http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/~tohban/wiki/index.php/RHESSI_Science_Nuggets" rel="nofollow">http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/~tohban/wiki/index.php/RHESSI_Science_Nuggets</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-124946</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PaulHClark (09:07:32) :
&lt;i&gt;Are data tracked and kept - I think I read somewhere that solar flares peak slightly later in the solar cycle then sunspots? If so where can I find it?&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/stp.html
is a good source.

&lt;i&gt;Are they used as a predictor of cycle length?&lt;/i&gt;
No, and the cycle length is a rather meaningless number, anyway. The actual activity levels are much better.

&lt;i&gt;I understand that solar flare activity is difficult to predict - who are the leading people on this and do you know any good source material that can help me in my quest to learn more?&lt;/i&gt;
Flare research has taken a backseat to CME research lately, but lots of people are still doing this. Spiro Antiochos is one of my favorites [and a good friend]. google him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PaulHClark (09:07:32) :<br />
<i>Are data tracked and kept &#8211; I think I read somewhere that solar flares peak slightly later in the solar cycle then sunspots? If so where can I find it?</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/stp.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/stp.html</a><br />
is a good source.</p>
<p><i>Are they used as a predictor of cycle length?</i><br />
No, and the cycle length is a rather meaningless number, anyway. The actual activity levels are much better.</p>
<p><i>I understand that solar flare activity is difficult to predict &#8211; who are the leading people on this and do you know any good source material that can help me in my quest to learn more?</i><br />
Flare research has taken a backseat to CME research lately, but lots of people are still doing this. Spiro Antiochos is one of my favorites [and a good friend]. google him.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulHClark</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulHClark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 16:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leif Svalgaard

I am trying to understand a bit more about solar flares - I have read some basic stuff by googling but have not found a good trend analysis.

Are data tracked and kept - I think I read somewhere that solar flares peak slightly later in the solar cycle then sunspots?  If so where can I find it?

Are they used as a predictor of cycle length?

I understand that solar flare activity is difficult to predict - who are the leading people on this and do you know any good source material that can help me in my quest to learn more?

Grateful as ever.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard</p>
<p>I am trying to understand a bit more about solar flares &#8211; I have read some basic stuff by googling but have not found a good trend analysis.</p>
<p>Are data tracked and kept &#8211; I think I read somewhere that solar flares peak slightly later in the solar cycle then sunspots?  If so where can I find it?</p>
<p>Are they used as a predictor of cycle length?</p>
<p>I understand that solar flare activity is difficult to predict &#8211; who are the leading people on this and do you know any good source material that can help me in my quest to learn more?</p>
<p>Grateful as ever.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 05:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alphajuno (21:51:12) :
&lt;i&gt;I’ll probably think about it some more this weekend since I don’t probably understand as much as I’d like to right now. &lt;/i&gt;
If you have any specific questions or need some further explanation, just shoot me a question. I&#039;ll be monitoring this thread for such. The equation is not original with me, but is the &#039;usual&#039; equation being taught [and actually works even for non-spherical bodies]. The only assumption in all of this is that the body is in radiative equilibrium, i.e. it radiates away what comes in [in the long run].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alphajuno (21:51:12) :<br />
<i>I’ll probably think about it some more this weekend since I don’t probably understand as much as I’d like to right now. </i><br />
If you have any specific questions or need some further explanation, just shoot me a question. I&#8217;ll be monitoring this thread for such. The equation is not original with me, but is the &#8216;usual&#8217; equation being taught [and actually works even for non-spherical bodies]. The only assumption in all of this is that the body is in radiative equilibrium, i.e. it radiates away what comes in [in the long run].</p>
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		<title>By: alphajuno</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphajuno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the explanation Leif.  I was handwriting the equations to follow the logic.  I still need to comprehend more but your equation seems to describe the major effect that drives temp as a function of solar radiance.  I&#039;ll probably think about it some more this weekend since I don&#039;t probably understand as much as I&#039;d like to right now.  Intuitively, I think that there should be other factors that need to be included (like if albedo changes or water vapor can modify dT) but I haven&#039;t come up with anything definitive yet (and may not).  It may simply be an elegant equation that works throughout the universe for spherical bodies.     

The letter to the editor in S&amp;T was favorable.  It was a response to an article written on Sun and Global Warming.  You were acknowledged as a person who predicted a slow beginning to a slow beginning to cycle 24 and it being a weak cycle (&quot;the weakest in a century&quot;) as documented in S&amp;T July 2007, page 29.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the explanation Leif.  I was handwriting the equations to follow the logic.  I still need to comprehend more but your equation seems to describe the major effect that drives temp as a function of solar radiance.  I&#8217;ll probably think about it some more this weekend since I don&#8217;t probably understand as much as I&#8217;d like to right now.  Intuitively, I think that there should be other factors that need to be included (like if albedo changes or water vapor can modify dT) but I haven&#8217;t come up with anything definitive yet (and may not).  It may simply be an elegant equation that works throughout the universe for spherical bodies.     </p>
<p>The letter to the editor in S&amp;T was favorable.  It was a response to an article written on Sun and Global Warming.  You were acknowledged as a person who predicted a slow beginning to a slow beginning to cycle 24 and it being a weak cycle (&#8220;the weakest in a century&#8221;) as documented in S&amp;T July 2007, page 29.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-124611</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (20:42:08) :
&lt;i&gt;That does not change my respect for your knowledge about solar science,&lt;/i&gt;
Perhaps forgetting that my initial training was atmospheric physics.

&lt;i&gt;nor will it ever cause me to dismiss all of your future claims in advance.&lt;/i&gt;
And why would someone ever even think of doing so? We are indeed from different cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (20:42:08) :<br />
<i>That does not change my respect for your knowledge about solar science,</i><br />
Perhaps forgetting that my initial training was atmospheric physics.</p>
<p><i>nor will it ever cause me to dismiss all of your future claims in advance.</i><br />
And why would someone ever even think of doing so? We are indeed from different cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-124585</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Leif Svalgaard (16:27:02)
&quot;Where I come from [...]&quot;

Leif Svalgaard (16:55:42)
&quot;It simply tells me not to take seriously [...]&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps we have different cultural roots.  That does not change my respect for your knowledge about solar science, nor will it ever cause me to dismiss all of your future claims in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Leif Svalgaard (16:27:02)<br />
&#8220;Where I come from [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>Leif Svalgaard (16:55:42)<br />
&#8220;It simply tells me not to take seriously [...]&#8220;</i></p>
<p>Perhaps we have different cultural roots.  That does not change my respect for your knowledge about solar science, nor will it ever cause me to dismiss all of your future claims in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-124485</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Vaughan (16:22:52) :
&lt;i&gt;“The problem is that you will not even tell me what you disagree with.”
I object to this statement (and for clarity: I do not wish to debate this).&lt;/i&gt;

And in the end that is actually fine with me [in spite of my badgering]. It simply tells me not to take seriously any challenges issued by you [which I was doing, as is my wont], and to disregard any and all such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Vaughan (16:22:52) :<br />
<i>“The problem is that you will not even tell me what you disagree with.”<br />
I object to this statement (and for clarity: I do not wish to debate this).</i></p>
<p>And in the end that is actually fine with me [in spite of my badgering]. It simply tells me not to take seriously any challenges issued by you [which I was doing, as is my wont], and to disregard any and all such.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-124467</link>
		<dc:creator>Leif Svalgaard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44) :
&lt;i&gt;&quot;People can agree to disagree respectfully&quot;
The problem is that you will not even tell me what you disagree with. That is most disrespectful, IMHO.&lt;/i&gt;

Even as you claim no disrespect was intended, I consider it very disrespectful for you to state that you challenge a statement of mine, but will not tell me what the challenge is. You will rather spend a inordinately large bandwidth complaining about me badgering you and saying that since this is all volunteer work one cannot demand to know. Where I come from it is a right to be confronted with the particulars of a challenge. Trampling that right [as you do] is most disturbing and unsatisfactory. Now, I realize that you have raised 11 points or complaints about &#039;some&#039; participants. Would you tell me which of those apply to me in your opinion, so I can seek help or try to amend my ways?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44) :<br />
<i>&#8220;People can agree to disagree respectfully&#8221;<br />
The problem is that you will not even tell me what you disagree with. That is most disrespectful, IMHO.</i></p>
<p>Even as you claim no disrespect was intended, I consider it very disrespectful for you to state that you challenge a statement of mine, but will not tell me what the challenge is. You will rather spend a inordinately large bandwidth complaining about me badgering you and saying that since this is all volunteer work one cannot demand to know. Where I come from it is a right to be confronted with the particulars of a challenge. Trampling that right [as you do] is most disturbing and unsatisfactory. Now, I realize that you have raised 11 points or complaints about &#8217;some&#8217; participants. Would you tell me which of those apply to me in your opinion, so I can seek help or try to amend my ways?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/25/examining-sorce-data-shows-the-sun-continues-its-slide-toward-somnolence/#comment-124463</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44)
&quot;The problem is that you will not even tell me what you disagree with.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I object to this statement (and for clarity: I do not wish to debate this).

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&lt;i&gt;Leif: &quot;[...] so shall stop trying for now.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

To be explicit: Please do not resume trying.

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Your answers to questions about solar science are valued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Leif Svalgaard (15:14:44)<br />
&#8220;The problem is that you will not even tell me what you disagree with.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I object to this statement (and for clarity: I do not wish to debate this).</p>
<p>-<br />
<i>Leif: &#8220;[...] so shall stop trying for now.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>To be explicit: Please do not resume trying.</p>
<p>-<br />
Your answers to questions about solar science are valued.</p>
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