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	<title>Comments on: WUWT Poll: What should we call the current solar minimum?</title>
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		<title>By: Willis Eschenbach</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-144360</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a joke. Ted Landscheidt predicted this minimum years ago, and it is already called the &quot;Landscheidt Minimum&quot; by many people. A google search on the term brings up lots of pages using the term.

I find this to be an egregious and sneaky way to deny Ted his due. He was a good man who was roundly savaged by his opponents in the AGW camp during his life. As much as I respect Leif Svalgaard for his pioneering work, I, for one, find it despicable for him to try to deny Ted credit for his discovery (NOT EDDYS DISCOVERY) after his death.

w.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a joke. Ted Landscheidt predicted this minimum years ago, and it is already called the &#8220;Landscheidt Minimum&#8221; by many people. A google search on the term brings up lots of pages using the term.</p>
<p>I find this to be an egregious and sneaky way to deny Ted his due. He was a good man who was roundly savaged by his opponents in the AGW camp during his life. As much as I respect Leif Svalgaard for his pioneering work, I, for one, find it despicable for him to try to deny Ted credit for his discovery (NOT EDDYS DISCOVERY) after his death.</p>
<p>w.</p>
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		<title>By: Lolcat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lolcat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll say &quot;The first anthropogenic CO2-caused solar minimum that heated the earth&quot; What? Don&#039;t u believe me? According to my lolcat calculations, the CO2 (not the solar cycles) by the Lolcat effect maded the sun laugh so hard that it reduced it&#039;s activity. So, more anthropogenic CO2 means less solar activity, that means less solar wind and a warmer earth.
Note: As far as I understand, the solar wind, because it is made of particles, absorbs/blocks/reflects away some of the quasi-constant heat-convertible radiation emitted by the sun and cools the earth. Most of the particles that absorbed/blocked/reflected the radiation and might contain some energy are repelled in space by the earth magnetic field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say &#8220;The first anthropogenic CO2-caused solar minimum that heated the earth&#8221; What? Don&#8217;t u believe me? According to my lolcat calculations, the CO2 (not the solar cycles) by the Lolcat effect maded the sun laugh so hard that it reduced it&#8217;s activity. So, more anthropogenic CO2 means less solar activity, that means less solar wind and a warmer earth.<br />
Note: As far as I understand, the solar wind, because it is made of particles, absorbs/blocks/reflects away some of the quasi-constant heat-convertible radiation emitted by the sun and cools the earth. Most of the particles that absorbed/blocked/reflected the radiation and might contain some energy are repelled in space by the earth magnetic field.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kutz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Kutz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Manbearpig Minimum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manbearpig Minimum</p>
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		<title>By: noel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[noel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haven&#039;t read all the comments. How about...

&quot;Mum&#039;s the Minimum&quot;

Like in &quot;Mum&#039;s the word&quot;, that is... keep quiet, say nothing]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t read all the comments. How about&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Mum&#8217;s the Minimum&#8221;</p>
<p>Like in &#8220;Mum&#8217;s the word&#8221;, that is&#8230; keep quiet, say nothing</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-137604</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rusty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agree with others who think that it should be &quot;Inconvenient Minimum&quot;

Very Inconvenient for Mr. Gore and those who buy into his &quot;Truths&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with others who think that it should be &#8220;Inconvenient Minimum&#8221;</p>
<p>Very Inconvenient for Mr. Gore and those who buy into his &#8220;Truths&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dodgy Geezer</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-137542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dodgy Geezer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 12:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The (pause for breath) ...&quot;OH MY GOD! We&#039;re all going to die horribly unless we sacrifice our current civilisation on the altar of Greenery and Political Correctness&quot; Minimum.

OMGWAGTDHUWSOCCOTAOGAPC for short.


or we could just call it Nigel....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The (pause for breath) &#8230;&#8221;OH MY GOD! We&#8217;re all going to die horribly unless we sacrifice our current civilisation on the altar of Greenery and Political Correctness&#8221; Minimum.</p>
<p>OMGWAGTDHUWSOCCOTAOGAPC for short.</p>
<p>or we could just call it Nigel&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nano</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nano]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 01:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is plain that anybody who finds this sits knows the consequenses of the quiet sun. While they deserve it, Landscheidt and Fairbridge likely woudn&#039;t apreciate thier names being associated with the coming disaster. Perhaps they will be trumped by the 60 (58) miles to the TALIBAN MINIMUM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is plain that anybody who finds this sits knows the consequenses of the quiet sun. While they deserve it, Landscheidt and Fairbridge likely woudn&#8217;t apreciate thier names being associated with the coming disaster. Perhaps they will be trumped by the 60 (58) miles to the TALIBAN MINIMUM.</p>
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		<title>By: Spector</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spector]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 14:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps this should be called the Livingston-Penn minimum as they have predicted it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this should be called the Livingston-Penn minimum as they have predicted it.</p>
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		<title>By: jorgekafkazar</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-122125</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jorgekafkazar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or I could go with The Piltdown Minimum, in celebration of a 100+ year old hoax, though on a smaller scale.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or I could go with The Piltdown Minimum, in celebration of a 100+ year old hoax, though on a smaller scale.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-121554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 04:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Geoff Sharp (19:24:14) :
&lt;i&gt;You have stated yourself:
“If you were to shrink the Moon’s orbit [moving the Earth closer to the Moon] the Earth would indeed speed up because of conversation of AM (angular momentum) similarly, if you were to shrink [make the semi-major axis smaller] the Jupiter’s orbit by 1.2 million km, the Sun would speed up.”&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t know what department you are challenged in, but I have explicitly stated that I worded this clumsily. It is not the change of distance that does the trick. That is: if you by some external force change the distance it will have absolutely no effect. Tidal [or magnetic] coupling internal to the system can slow the Sun or the Earth down and increase the AM of the orbiting body, and if you go back to a time when the Moon was closer to the Earth [because the friction has not yet slowed down the Earth&#039;s rotation], then the Earth was rotating faster.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoff Sharp (19:24:14) :<br />
<i>You have stated yourself:<br />
“If you were to shrink the Moon’s orbit [moving the Earth closer to the Moon] the Earth would indeed speed up because of conversation of AM (angular momentum) similarly, if you were to shrink [make the semi-major axis smaller] the Jupiter’s orbit by 1.2 million km, the Sun would speed up.”</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what department you are challenged in, but I have explicitly stated that I worded this clumsily. It is not the change of distance that does the trick. That is: if you by some external force change the distance it will have absolutely no effect. Tidal [or magnetic] coupling internal to the system can slow the Sun or the Earth down and increase the AM of the orbiting body, and if you go back to a time when the Moon was closer to the Earth [because the friction has not yet slowed down the Earth's rotation], then the Earth was rotating faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff Sharp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 02:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (09:49:53) :

&lt;i&gt;It is a severe criticism to claim that I say things that I know are false, and I take great offense at that. The all important word in my statement was ‘back’ and the tidal transfer is one-way. The planetary theories require a two-way transfer for the cycles to work.&lt;/i&gt;

Perhaps this is where the &quot;charlatan&quot; tag comes from. You are very aware the tidal cause is not what is important here, it is the mechanism observed in the AM conservation  that needs to be addressed. You have stated yourself:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;If you were to shrink the Moon’s orbit [moving the Earth closer to the Moon] the Earth would indeed speed up because of conversation of AM (angular momentum) similarly, if you were to shrink [make the semi-major axis smaller] the Jupiter’s orbit by 1.2 million km, the Sun would speed up.”&lt;/i&gt;

Its time to drop 2 of your standard defense mechanisms:

1. The &quot;Carsten experiment&quot; has no validity.

2. The Tidal effect is irrelevant.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (09:49:53) :</p>
<p><i>It is a severe criticism to claim that I say things that I know are false, and I take great offense at that. The all important word in my statement was ‘back’ and the tidal transfer is one-way. The planetary theories require a two-way transfer for the cycles to work.</i></p>
<p>Perhaps this is where the &#8220;charlatan&#8221; tag comes from. You are very aware the tidal cause is not what is important here, it is the mechanism observed in the AM conservation  that needs to be addressed. You have stated yourself:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;If you were to shrink the Moon’s orbit [moving the Earth closer to the Moon] the Earth would indeed speed up because of conversation of AM (angular momentum) similarly, if you were to shrink [make the semi-major axis smaller] the Jupiter’s orbit by 1.2 million km, the Sun would speed up.”</i></p>
<p>Its time to drop 2 of your standard defense mechanisms:</p>
<p>1. The &#8220;Carsten experiment&#8221; has no validity.</p>
<p>2. The Tidal effect is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Erren</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-121435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hans Erren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Landscheidt Minimum]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landscheidt Minimum</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/22/wuwt-poll-what-should-we-call-the-current-solar-minimum/#comment-121373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Vaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While endeavoring to understand &amp; fairly assess Theodor Landscheidt&#039;s works, I learned about:

1) wavelet analysis, cross-wavelet analysis, recurrence &amp; cross-recurrence methods, ...
2) wave theory, harmonics, acoustics, nonlinear dynamics, ...
3) PDO, NAO, SOI, ...
4) geomagnetic indices, sunspot areas, differential rotation, active longitudes, north-south asymmetry, ...
5) de Vries cycle, Hale cycle, solar cycle, ...
6) magnetosphere, heliosphere, ionosphere, HMF structure, cosmic ray flux, ...
7) orbital dynamics, geodesics, ...
8) Chandler wobble, terrestrial polar motion, variable earth rotation rate, ...
9) atmospheric angular momentum, atmospheric tides, long-term ocean tide cycles, lunar nodal cycle, ...
10) Dansgaard-Oeschger events, recent glacial-history reconstruction methods, ...
11) homogenization of daily temperatures, spatially heterogeneous diurnal temperature range trends, ...
12) Jack (John) Eddy

It&#039;s not like I lacked education, but Landscheidt triggered voracious &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt; learning (rate: ~1000 journal articles per year) about climate, geophysical, planetary, statistical, &amp; solar science.

Landscheidt provided a &lt;i&gt;less dull&lt;/i&gt; null model than the usual &lt;i&gt;random&lt;/i&gt; one.  The message &lt;i&gt;transcends science&lt;/i&gt; and can be regarded as a &lt;i&gt;bright light&lt;/i&gt; cast upon the &lt;i&gt;limits&lt;/i&gt; of human willingness &amp; ability to grapple with nonlinearity.

I propose that the next &#039;grand&#039; minimum, &lt;i&gt;whenever it occurs&lt;/i&gt;, be known as Landscheidt Minimum.

Furthermore:
I propose that we drop &#039;grand&#039; in favor of &#039;Eddy&#039;, such that Oort, Spoerer, Maunder, Landscheidt, etc. will be known &lt;i&gt;collectively&lt;/i&gt; as &lt;i&gt;Eddy&lt;/i&gt; Minima.

- - -
Anecdote about what caused me to learn of Landscheidt&#039;s works:

I saw projections showing that daily minimum temperatures are going to overtake daily maximum temperatures.  These projections were made by an organization that calls itself an &quot;Institute for Climate Studies&quot;.  This organization is funded by a government that has implemented a substantial carbon tax.  (Note: I have verified that many other jurisdictions employ the same methodology.)

Here&#039;s something to think about:

If modeled future nighttime temperatures are allowed to regularly exceed daytime temperatures, what effect does this have on forecasted mean temperatures if mean temperature is defined as the average of max &amp; min?

Perhaps if these folks were more honest ...

=
&lt;i&gt;Mike Bryant
“How many climate scientists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?”&lt;/i&gt;
=

Couple thousand to write computer models, couple thousand more to write grant proposals, (multiply by 3 to factor in the cost of the support staff if you&#039;re keeping notes...), etc.....

And ONE to announce the bulb &lt;i&gt;burned out instantly&lt;/i&gt; upon installation, despite the all the calculation....

....Explanation:
They overlooked &lt;b&gt;water&lt;/b&gt; - apparently no one figured it was a &lt;i&gt;wet&lt;/i&gt; bulb.

This isn&#039;t bad news.  It probably means job security - and if there is no disaster, that is not a &lt;i&gt;bad&lt;/i&gt; thing.

- - -
Neither climate science nor solar science can provide the answers we seek as long as only a fraction of the required financial investment is being made ...so until there is &lt;i&gt;adequate (&amp; stable)&lt;/i&gt; research funding, we have astrology...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While endeavoring to understand &amp; fairly assess Theodor Landscheidt&#8217;s works, I learned about:</p>
<p>1) wavelet analysis, cross-wavelet analysis, recurrence &amp; cross-recurrence methods, &#8230;<br />
2) wave theory, harmonics, acoustics, nonlinear dynamics, &#8230;<br />
3) PDO, NAO, SOI, &#8230;<br />
4) geomagnetic indices, sunspot areas, differential rotation, active longitudes, north-south asymmetry, &#8230;<br />
5) de Vries cycle, Hale cycle, solar cycle, &#8230;<br />
6) magnetosphere, heliosphere, ionosphere, HMF structure, cosmic ray flux, &#8230;<br />
7) orbital dynamics, geodesics, &#8230;<br />
8) Chandler wobble, terrestrial polar motion, variable earth rotation rate, &#8230;<br />
9) atmospheric angular momentum, atmospheric tides, long-term ocean tide cycles, lunar nodal cycle, &#8230;<br />
10) Dansgaard-Oeschger events, recent glacial-history reconstruction methods, &#8230;<br />
11) homogenization of daily temperatures, spatially heterogeneous diurnal temperature range trends, &#8230;<br />
12) Jack (John) Eddy</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like I lacked education, but Landscheidt triggered voracious <i>new</i> learning (rate: ~1000 journal articles per year) about climate, geophysical, planetary, statistical, &amp; solar science.</p>
<p>Landscheidt provided a <i>less dull</i> null model than the usual <i>random</i> one.  The message <i>transcends science</i> and can be regarded as a <i>bright light</i> cast upon the <i>limits</i> of human willingness &amp; ability to grapple with nonlinearity.</p>
<p>I propose that the next &#8216;grand&#8217; minimum, <i>whenever it occurs</i>, be known as Landscheidt Minimum.</p>
<p>Furthermore:<br />
I propose that we drop &#8216;grand&#8217; in favor of &#8216;Eddy&#8217;, such that Oort, Spoerer, Maunder, Landscheidt, etc. will be known <i>collectively</i> as <i>Eddy</i> Minima.</p>
<p>- &#8211; -<br />
Anecdote about what caused me to learn of Landscheidt&#8217;s works:</p>
<p>I saw projections showing that daily minimum temperatures are going to overtake daily maximum temperatures.  These projections were made by an organization that calls itself an &#8220;Institute for Climate Studies&#8221;.  This organization is funded by a government that has implemented a substantial carbon tax.  (Note: I have verified that many other jurisdictions employ the same methodology.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s something to think about:</p>
<p>If modeled future nighttime temperatures are allowed to regularly exceed daytime temperatures, what effect does this have on forecasted mean temperatures if mean temperature is defined as the average of max &amp; min?</p>
<p>Perhaps if these folks were more honest &#8230;</p>
<p>=<br />
<i>Mike Bryant<br />
“How many climate scientists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?”</i><br />
=</p>
<p>Couple thousand to write computer models, couple thousand more to write grant proposals, (multiply by 3 to factor in the cost of the support staff if you&#8217;re keeping notes&#8230;), etc&#8230;..</p>
<p>And ONE to announce the bulb <i>burned out instantly</i> upon installation, despite the all the calculation&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.Explanation:<br />
They overlooked <b>water</b> &#8211; apparently no one figured it was a <i>wet</i> bulb.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t bad news.  It probably means job security &#8211; and if there is no disaster, that is not a <i>bad</i> thing.</p>
<p>- &#8211; -<br />
Neither climate science nor solar science can provide the answers we seek as long as only a fraction of the required financial investment is being made &#8230;so until there is <i>adequate (&amp; stable)</i> research funding, we have astrology&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it would be prophetic to call it the &quot;AGW Deniers&#039; Vindication 
Minimum&quot;

Bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it would be prophetic to call it the &#8220;AGW Deniers&#8217; Vindication<br />
Minimum&#8221;</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 16:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ninderthana (20:00:34) :
&lt;i&gt;&quot;2) A popular [but not the only one] ‘mechanism’ is ‘transfer’ of angular momentum [AM] from the Sun’s orbit to its spin and &lt;b&gt;back&lt;/b&gt;. &quot;

Leif knows that this statement is false, provided a coupling mechanism can be found between the Jovian planets and the Sun.
The Earth Moon sysytem is an irrefutable example of such a momentum
transfer that occurs because of the tidal coupling between the Moon and the Earth’s oceans. Hence, this a statement is really just a lead into his third comment and has little or no value in this arguement.&lt;/i&gt;

It is a severe criticism to claim that I say things that I know are false, and I take great offense at that. The all important word in my statement was &#039;back&#039; and the tidal transfer is &lt;i&gt;one-way&lt;/i&gt;.  The planetary theories require a two-way transfer for the cycles to work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ninderthana (20:00:34) :<br />
<i>&#8220;2) A popular [but not the only one] ‘mechanism’ is ‘transfer’ of angular momentum [AM] from the Sun’s orbit to its spin and <b>back</b>. &#8221;</p>
<p>Leif knows that this statement is false, provided a coupling mechanism can be found between the Jovian planets and the Sun.<br />
The Earth Moon sysytem is an irrefutable example of such a momentum<br />
transfer that occurs because of the tidal coupling between the Moon and the Earth’s oceans. Hence, this a statement is really just a lead into his third comment and has little or no value in this arguement.</i></p>
<p>It is a severe criticism to claim that I say things that I know are false, and I take great offense at that. The all important word in my statement was &#8216;back&#8217; and the tidal transfer is <i>one-way</i>.  The planetary theories require a two-way transfer for the cycles to work.</p>
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