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	<title>Comments on: What happens to Steig et al&#8217;s warming when you divide Antarctica into two distinct climate zones?</title>
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		<title>By: pft</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 22:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philip_B (17:50:04) :

Katabatic winds are heated adiabatically which is why the air and the valleys are dry. They may be cold, but they still tend to end up warmer than prevailing temperatures when they are most intense, especially in the winter.  It is a local effect only to the extent that katabatic winds are limited by topography.  Any short term warming may be a result of variations in the intensity of these winds from year to year, especially if weather stations happen to be located nearby. 

Anyways, here is that paper.

http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/fountain/MyPapers/NylenEtAl2004.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip_B (17:50:04) :</p>
<p>Katabatic winds are heated adiabatically which is why the air and the valleys are dry. They may be cold, but they still tend to end up warmer than prevailing temperatures when they are most intense, especially in the winter.  It is a local effect only to the extent that katabatic winds are limited by topography.  Any short term warming may be a result of variations in the intensity of these winds from year to year, especially if weather stations happen to be located nearby. </p>
<p>Anyways, here is that paper.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/fountain/MyPapers/NylenEtAl2004.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.glaciers.pdx.edu/fountain/MyPapers/NylenEtAl2004.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philip_B</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip_B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pft, the warming effect of katabatic in dry valleys appears to be a local phenomena and generally katabatic winds in Antarctica are cold winds, ie colder than the otherwise prevailing temperatures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind

Although, it does raise the question that if katabatic winds can produce substantial differences in temperatures as a result of local topography, then siting of the small number of, East Antarctica in particular, weather stations may well result in measuring trends in a local phenomena (katabatic winds) rather than &#039;global&#039; climate effects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pft, the warming effect of katabatic in dry valleys appears to be a local phenomena and generally katabatic winds in Antarctica are cold winds, ie colder than the otherwise prevailing temperatures.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind</a></p>
<p>Although, it does raise the question that if katabatic winds can produce substantial differences in temperatures as a result of local topography, then siting of the small number of, East Antarctica in particular, weather stations may well result in measuring trends in a local phenomena (katabatic winds) rather than &#8216;global&#8217; climate effects.</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[make that +140 to -130. F]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>make that +140 to -130. F</p>
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		<title>By: George E. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George E. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the total climate temperature range on earth goes from 72F to -36F; a mere 108F total range.

A really great classification system given that the actual measured range can be from +130F to -140 F, or +60C to -90C or 150 C (270F).

And just a glance at the color map demonstrates clearly why it isn&#039;t nice to ignore the Nyquist Sampling Criterion.

So I guess it is nice to to have a system for describinh the weather on the nightly news; but anybody who thinks +72 F is hot is just plain nuts.   I think it was around 90 today out in our parking lot; and it didn&#039;t seem the boiling cauldron people think.

The warmth I could feel was the direct IR radiation from the blacktop parking lot, and my lungs don&#039;t care for the vertical hot air currents; but I&#039;m supersensitive to that; but no way I would describe it as hot.

George]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the total climate temperature range on earth goes from 72F to -36F; a mere 108F total range.</p>
<p>A really great classification system given that the actual measured range can be from +130F to -140 F, or +60C to -90C or 150 C (270F).</p>
<p>And just a glance at the color map demonstrates clearly why it isn&#8217;t nice to ignore the Nyquist Sampling Criterion.</p>
<p>So I guess it is nice to to have a system for describinh the weather on the nightly news; but anybody who thinks +72 F is hot is just plain nuts.   I think it was around 90 today out in our parking lot; and it didn&#8217;t seem the boiling cauldron people think.</p>
<p>The warmth I could feel was the direct IR radiation from the blacktop parking lot, and my lungs don&#8217;t care for the vertical hot air currents; but I&#8217;m supersensitive to that; but no way I would describe it as hot.</p>
<p>George</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Climate of the Peninsula is akin to that of the Aleutian Islands, or, the northern Norwegian Sea coast of Norway. It is correct to split it from the main land mass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Climate of the Peninsula is akin to that of the Aleutian Islands, or, the northern Norwegian Sea coast of Norway. It is correct to split it from the main land mass.</p>
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		<title>By: pft</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Philip_B (17:30:44) : 

pft, what you say is true. However, to be warming toward the coast would require the lapse rate of the katabatic winds to be greater than temperature differential due to altitude, and that seems not to be the case.&quot;

Phillip, The followng paper is available online, no time to find link:

&quot;Climatology of katabatic winds in the McMurdo dry valleys,
southern Victoria Land, Antarctica, Thomas H. Nylen and Andrew G. Fountain Department of Geology and Department of Geography, Portland State University, Portland, Oregon, USA, Peter T. Doran
Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, Illinois, USA
Received 1 July 2003; revised 16 October 2003; accepted 3 December 2003; published 14 February 2004.

[1] Katabatic winds dramatically affect the climate of the McMurdo dry valleys, Antarctica. Winter wind events can increase local air temperatures by 30C. The frequency of katabatic winds largely controls winter (June to August) temperatures, increasing 1C per 1% increase in katabatic frequency, and it overwhelms the effect of topographic
elevation (lapse rate). Summer katabatic winds are important, but their influence on summer temperature is less. The spatial distribution of katabatic winds varies significantly. Winter events increase by 14% for every 10 km up valley toward the ice sheet, and summer events increase by 3%. The spatial distribution of katabatic frequency seems to be partly controlled by inversions...........Although the onset and termination of the katabatic winds are typically abrupt, elevated air temperatures remain for days afterward. We estimate that current frequencies of katabatic winds increase annual average temperatures by 0.7 to 2.2C, depending on location. Seasonally, they increase (decrease) winter average temperatures (relative humidity) by 0.8 to 4.2 (1.8 to 8.5%) and summer
temperatures by 0.1 to 0.4C (0.9% to 4.1%). Long-term changes of dry valley air temperatures cannot be understood without knowledge of changes in katabatic.&quot;

The study and effect was observed near the coast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mcmurdo_sound_USGS_map.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Philip_B (17:30:44) : </p>
<p>pft, what you say is true. However, to be warming toward the coast would require the lapse rate of the katabatic winds to be greater than temperature differential due to altitude, and that seems not to be the case.&#8221;</p>
<p>Phillip, The followng paper is available online, no time to find link:</p>
<p>&#8220;Climatology of katabatic winds in the McMurdo dry valleys,<br />
southern Victoria Land, Antarctica, Thomas H. Nylen and Andrew G. Fountain Department of Geology and Department of Geography, Portland State University, Portland, Oregon, USA, Peter T. Doran<br />
Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, Illinois, USA<br />
Received 1 July 2003; revised 16 October 2003; accepted 3 December 2003; published 14 February 2004.</p>
<p>[1] Katabatic winds dramatically affect the climate of the McMurdo dry valleys, Antarctica. Winter wind events can increase local air temperatures by 30C. The frequency of katabatic winds largely controls winter (June to August) temperatures, increasing 1C per 1% increase in katabatic frequency, and it overwhelms the effect of topographic<br />
elevation (lapse rate). Summer katabatic winds are important, but their influence on summer temperature is less. The spatial distribution of katabatic winds varies significantly. Winter events increase by 14% for every 10 km up valley toward the ice sheet, and summer events increase by 3%. The spatial distribution of katabatic frequency seems to be partly controlled by inversions&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Although the onset and termination of the katabatic winds are typically abrupt, elevated air temperatures remain for days afterward. We estimate that current frequencies of katabatic winds increase annual average temperatures by 0.7 to 2.2C, depending on location. Seasonally, they increase (decrease) winter average temperatures (relative humidity) by 0.8 to 4.2 (1.8 to 8.5%) and summer<br />
temperatures by 0.1 to 0.4C (0.9% to 4.1%). Long-term changes of dry valley air temperatures cannot be understood without knowledge of changes in katabatic.&#8221;</p>
<p>The study and effect was observed near the coast.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mcmurdo_sound_USGS_map.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mcmurdo_sound_USGS_map.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leon Palmer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 18:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More (unitentional) support for this thesis:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16988-why-antarctic-ice-is-growing-despite-global-warming.html

pointing out that the antarctic peninsula isn&#039;t like the rest of Antarctica...

&quot;In a new study, Turner and colleagues show how the ozone hole has changed weather patterns around Antarctica. These changes have drawn in warm air over the Antarctic Peninsula in West Antarctica and cooled the air above East Antarctica.&quot;

I like the ending &quot;&quot;Over the next 50 to 100 years, the ozone hole will heal,&quot; says Turner. &quot;At the same time, greenhouse gases will rise. In next decade or so we should see sea ice plateauing and then decreasing massively if greenhouse gases continue to increase.&quot;

I thought CO2/AGW caused ozone depletion, so how is this healing (sometime in the misty future) gonna happen?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More (unitentional) support for this thesis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16988-why-antarctic-ice-is-growing-despite-global-warming.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16988-why-antarctic-ice-is-growing-despite-global-warming.html</a></p>
<p>pointing out that the antarctic peninsula isn&#8217;t like the rest of Antarctica&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;In a new study, Turner and colleagues show how the ozone hole has changed weather patterns around Antarctica. These changes have drawn in warm air over the Antarctic Peninsula in West Antarctica and cooled the air above East Antarctica.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like the ending &#8220;&#8221;Over the next 50 to 100 years, the ozone hole will heal,&#8221; says Turner. &#8220;At the same time, greenhouse gases will rise. In next decade or so we should see sea ice plateauing and then decreasing massively if greenhouse gases continue to increase.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought CO2/AGW caused ozone depletion, so how is this healing (sometime in the misty future) gonna happen?</p>
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		<title>By: gary gulrud</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice articulation of an unexamined assumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice articulation of an unexamined assumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Chappell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Chappell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not only has this site some fantastic photos but lots and lots of data, volcanoes, volcanoes and more volcanoes,  http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/poles/antarcti/mastvolcanoe.html  I would think that any serious study of the volcanic activity on the Antarctic Peninsula would show that it could not be part of any climate study of the Antarctic, think a little, 2km offshore and 2,800mt, water depth and boiling water on the ocean surface could not have any effect on the local climate [one of several] cauldrons off the Peninsula.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only has this site some fantastic photos but lots and lots of data, volcanoes, volcanoes and more volcanoes,  <a href="http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/poles/antarcti/mastvolcanoe.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/poles/antarcti/mastvolcanoe.html</a>  I would think that any serious study of the volcanic activity on the Antarctic Peninsula would show that it could not be part of any climate study of the Antarctic, think a little, 2km offshore and 2,800mt, water depth and boiling water on the ocean surface could not have any effect on the local climate [one of several] cauldrons off the Peninsula.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip_B</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip_B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pft, what you say is true. However, to be warming toward the coast would require the lapse rate of the katabatic winds  to be greater than temperature differential due to altitude, and that seems not to be the case.

Ie, katabatic winds are colder than otherwise prevailing temperatures toward the coast.

I just lost the link and my battery is about to run out. So you will have to take my word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pft, what you say is true. However, to be warming toward the coast would require the lapse rate of the katabatic winds  to be greater than temperature differential due to altitude, and that seems not to be the case.</p>
<p>Ie, katabatic winds are colder than otherwise prevailing temperatures toward the coast.</p>
<p>I just lost the link and my battery is about to run out. So you will have to take my word.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jorgekafkazar re volcanism.  True, there will be higher heat flow in parts of the volcanic belt in W. Ant.  The effects however should be localized; there is such a stupendous amount of cold water impinging on this belt that there will probably be no measurable change in regional oceanic temperatures.  Locally, like in a noted caldera, hot springs/lava flows may boil your shrimp dinner for you.

However, other effects may be noticeable.  Hot magma rises, forcing up rocks above it.  This could dislodge chunks of ice sheets that apparently are anchored to rocks that the ice has depressed below sea level.  Maybe some portions of ice will become dislodged and slide off the building mound.  Similarly, lava and hot springs might melt those ice-rock joins, letting the ice float free.  

Much depends on time, first (these are generally slow processes) and second, the composition of the volcanism.  Basalts don&#039;t give much explosive activity (the magma has little silica in it, and so is relatively fluid).  Andesitic to rhyolitic volcanism - much more siliceous - can result in explosive events, which might blast out a chunk of ice of considerable proportions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jorgekafkazar re volcanism.  True, there will be higher heat flow in parts of the volcanic belt in W. Ant.  The effects however should be localized; there is such a stupendous amount of cold water impinging on this belt that there will probably be no measurable change in regional oceanic temperatures.  Locally, like in a noted caldera, hot springs/lava flows may boil your shrimp dinner for you.</p>
<p>However, other effects may be noticeable.  Hot magma rises, forcing up rocks above it.  This could dislodge chunks of ice sheets that apparently are anchored to rocks that the ice has depressed below sea level.  Maybe some portions of ice will become dislodged and slide off the building mound.  Similarly, lava and hot springs might melt those ice-rock joins, letting the ice float free.  </p>
<p>Much depends on time, first (these are generally slow processes) and second, the composition of the volcanism.  Basalts don&#8217;t give much explosive activity (the magma has little silica in it, and so is relatively fluid).  Andesitic to rhyolitic volcanism &#8211; much more siliceous &#8211; can result in explosive events, which might blast out a chunk of ice of considerable proportions.</p>
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		<title>By: pft</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philip_B (17:47:48) : 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Antarctic weather is dominated by 2 different effects. One is the intense low pressure systems that constantly circle Antartica. The other is the very cold, very dry katabatic winds that blow out from the interior of Antarctica.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

These cold dry katabatic winds flow down from the higher elevations, 2 to 3 miles to the surface and actually warm as they descend, a source of warming at  the surface.

http://profhorn.aos.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap12/katabatic_winds.html&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip_B (17:47:48) : </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Antarctic weather is dominated by 2 different effects. One is the intense low pressure systems that constantly circle Antartica. The other is the very cold, very dry katabatic winds that blow out from the interior of Antarctica.&#8221;</i><i></p>
<p>These cold dry katabatic winds flow down from the higher elevations, 2 to 3 miles to the surface and actually warm as they descend, a source of warming at  the surface.</p>
<p><a href="http://profhorn.aos.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap12/katabatic_winds.html" rel="nofollow">http://profhorn.aos.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap12/katabatic_winds.html</a></i></p>
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		<title>By: jorgekafkazar</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now I&#039;m wondering what the trend would be if the volcanic areas were separated from the analysis. The result can probably be guessed by inspection...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m wondering what the trend would be if the volcanic areas were separated from the analysis. The result can probably be guessed by inspection&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Dodge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 18:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the World Climates link&quot;E - Cold Climates ... Only about four months of the year have above freezing temperatures.&quot; but according to Connelly&#039;s map even the summertime temperatures are below freezing for anything south of the tip of the Antarctic Peninsula. 

If we&#039;re going to reclassify, shouldn&#039;t there be a primary category F (temperatures below freezing almost year round) with subgroups M (maritime-high rainfall) and D(dry continental interior). These zones might also be applied to Greenland, depending on the precipitation pattern; anyone know when &amp; how much snow falls on interior Greenland?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the World Climates link&#8221;E &#8211; Cold Climates &#8230; Only about four months of the year have above freezing temperatures.&#8221; but according to Connelly&#8217;s map even the summertime temperatures are below freezing for anything south of the tip of the Antarctic Peninsula. </p>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to reclassify, shouldn&#8217;t there be a primary category F (temperatures below freezing almost year round) with subgroups M (maritime-high rainfall) and D(dry continental interior). These zones might also be applied to Greenland, depending on the precipitation pattern; anyone know when &amp; how much snow falls on interior Greenland?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim F</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/04/18/what-happens-when-you-divide-antarctica-into-two-distinct-climate-zones/#comment-117768</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff Id:  Sorry, I didn&#039;t mean to tar you with the brush I would use for Steig.  I think I had in mind and was referring to some earlier work you had done on Steig&#039;s data, where you were folding all the data together.  I appreciate too that above you have separated the data sets.  My apologies for sloppy writing.

I agree that to get an idea/estimation of the Earth&#039;s climate trends and variability (or maybe Antarctica&#039;s) one would use all the data.  But to calculate an estimated temperature at point x, 200 miles thataway from measurements at points y and z, which is what Steig is doing, I think it wrong to mix the data if they are indeed different.  The much higher temperatures measured on the Peninsula are relatively localized; they don&#039;t have any effect on the temperatures way up on that mountain of ice called East Ant.  Yet Steig&#039;s approach smears a component of those warm results all across the continent.  It&#039;s no wonder Antarctica is heating up! ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff Id:  Sorry, I didn&#8217;t mean to tar you with the brush I would use for Steig.  I think I had in mind and was referring to some earlier work you had done on Steig&#8217;s data, where you were folding all the data together.  I appreciate too that above you have separated the data sets.  My apologies for sloppy writing.</p>
<p>I agree that to get an idea/estimation of the Earth&#8217;s climate trends and variability (or maybe Antarctica&#8217;s) one would use all the data.  But to calculate an estimated temperature at point x, 200 miles thataway from measurements at points y and z, which is what Steig is doing, I think it wrong to mix the data if they are indeed different.  The much higher temperatures measured on the Peninsula are relatively localized; they don&#8217;t have any effect on the temperatures way up on that mountain of ice called East Ant.  Yet Steig&#8217;s approach smears a component of those warm results all across the continent.  It&#8217;s no wonder Antarctica is heating up! ;)</p>
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