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	<title>Comments on: Can the Catlin Arctic Survey Team Cover 683 km in the Next 21 Days?</title>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evelyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has to be in line for the most deserved Darwin Award of all times.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has to be in line for the most deserved Darwin Award of all times.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;James P (09:05:30) :
Large fissures of open water

How does that happen at -35deg, or is it simply the movement of the ice temporarily exposing water that will shortly freeze?&lt;/em&gt;

Yes the ice opens up forming leads which at this time of year freeze over.  However that ice is inches thick rather than feet thick so it might as well be open water if you&#039;re trying to cross it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>James P (09:05:30) :<br />
Large fissures of open water</p>
<p>How does that happen at -35deg, or is it simply the movement of the ice temporarily exposing water that will shortly freeze?</em></p>
<p>Yes the ice opens up forming leads which at this time of year freeze over.  However that ice is inches thick rather than feet thick so it might as well be open water if you&#8217;re trying to cross it.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SteveSadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They need to stop. If this were my expedition, we would give up. There comes a point where a good expedition leader decides that throwing away lives needlessly is immoral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to stop. If this were my expedition, we would give up. There comes a point where a good expedition leader decides that throwing away lives needlessly is immoral.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Clayton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wayne Conrad (09:32:17),

Is attending to the Catlin Survey &quot;off mission&quot;?

Those who would engage in any significant struggle meaningfully &amp; successfully, will fight the fight that is in front of them ... as opposed to some other fight that they might prefer to fight, i.e., one that is more seemly, dignified, or worthy (by some preconceived but irrelevant and ulitmately diverting sensibility).

If it&#039;s ranked Red Coats with muskets, then that&#039;s what it is (regardless how quaint it sounds today).  If it&#039;s terrorists merged invisibly with passerby on the sidewalk - deal with it (not something else).  If it&#039;s the Soviets, it&#039;s the Soviets; if it&#039;s Hugo Chavev and Pakistan, there ya go.

The Catlin Survey is a Public Relations maneuver, with overtones of a Trojan Horse.  This isn&#039;t a group of 3 testing themselves against Nature.  It&#039;s a Hollywood movie set, recording footage for a narrative aiming to win friends &amp; influence enemies by the 10s of millions.  With a message that many here oppose categorically.

Their message is that industrial civilization should be dismantled, here &amp; now, that capitalism should be ham-strung and left to founder in the ditch.  Those (nearly all the citizenry) who happen to depend on these system - through no &#039;fault&#039; of their own ... well, ain&#039;t that just too bad.

All the members of the Catlin Survey donned their armor and hoisted their weapons, marched out onto their ersatz movie set with full deliberation and aforethought.  If the action gets a little rough ... I would not be the slightest bit surprised.

The Catlin Survey should continue to receive critical scrutiny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne Conrad (09:32:17),</p>
<p>Is attending to the Catlin Survey &#8220;off mission&#8221;?</p>
<p>Those who would engage in any significant struggle meaningfully &amp; successfully, will fight the fight that is in front of them &#8230; as opposed to some other fight that they might prefer to fight, i.e., one that is more seemly, dignified, or worthy (by some preconceived but irrelevant and ulitmately diverting sensibility).</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s ranked Red Coats with muskets, then that&#8217;s what it is (regardless how quaint it sounds today).  If it&#8217;s terrorists merged invisibly with passerby on the sidewalk &#8211; deal with it (not something else).  If it&#8217;s the Soviets, it&#8217;s the Soviets; if it&#8217;s Hugo Chavev and Pakistan, there ya go.</p>
<p>The Catlin Survey is a Public Relations maneuver, with overtones of a Trojan Horse.  This isn&#8217;t a group of 3 testing themselves against Nature.  It&#8217;s a Hollywood movie set, recording footage for a narrative aiming to win friends &amp; influence enemies by the 10s of millions.  With a message that many here oppose categorically.</p>
<p>Their message is that industrial civilization should be dismantled, here &amp; now, that capitalism should be ham-strung and left to founder in the ditch.  Those (nearly all the citizenry) who happen to depend on these system &#8211; through no &#8216;fault&#8217; of their own &#8230; well, ain&#8217;t that just too bad.</p>
<p>All the members of the Catlin Survey donned their armor and hoisted their weapons, marched out onto their ersatz movie set with full deliberation and aforethought.  If the action gets a little rough &#8230; I would not be the slightest bit surprised.</p>
<p>The Catlin Survey should continue to receive critical scrutiny.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Conrad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Conrad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I enjoy this web site for the alternative view it brings to the debate (which is not over).  However, I hope you will forgive me for mentioning that your attention upon the fate of Catlin Arctic Survey Team seems &quot;off mission.&quot;  It may be getting a little bit macabre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoy this web site for the alternative view it brings to the debate (which is not over).  However, I hope you will forgive me for mentioning that your attention upon the fate of Catlin Arctic Survey Team seems &#8220;off mission.&#8221;  It may be getting a little bit macabre.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Large fissures of open water&lt;/i&gt;

How does that happen at -35deg, or is it simply the movement of the ice temporarily exposing water that will shortly freeze?]]></description>
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<p>How does that happen at -35deg, or is it simply the movement of the ice temporarily exposing water that will shortly freeze?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff B.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Glenn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil. (17:31:16) : 

George Gillan (18:41:06) :
“However, from satellite pictures we receive in the Ops Room, we can see that once the team cross the 85th degree of latitude, the condition of the ice deteriorates rapidly. Large fissures of open water running east to west for several hundred miles currently scar the ice imagery.”

Is this true?

Check out this, particularly at 500m scale, top left.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101143500-2009101143959.4km.jpg

I think you are in the wrong place. Overlay the red grid box on the globe with 
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/route_globe.aspx

Looks to me like Catlin would be somewhere to the right and down from the top left. With all the clouds it&#039;s hard to tell if these fractures are open water or mostly ice filled, but open water without cloud cover would show up as black. There doesn&#039;t appear to be any remarkable increase in fractures in the area for this time of year, though. 

The bottom middle of this map looks like the area where they started from
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101144000-2009101144459.500m.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil. (17:31:16) : </p>
<p>George Gillan (18:41:06) :<br />
“However, from satellite pictures we receive in the Ops Room, we can see that once the team cross the 85th degree of latitude, the condition of the ice deteriorates rapidly. Large fissures of open water running east to west for several hundred miles currently scar the ice imagery.”</p>
<p>Is this true?</p>
<p>Check out this, particularly at 500m scale, top left.<br />
<a href="http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101143500-2009101143959.4km.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101143500-2009101143959.4km.jpg</a></p>
<p>I think you are in the wrong place. Overlay the red grid box on the globe with<br />
<a href="http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/route_globe.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/route_globe.aspx</a></p>
<p>Looks to me like Catlin would be somewhere to the right and down from the top left. With all the clouds it&#8217;s hard to tell if these fractures are open water or mostly ice filled, but open water without cloud cover would show up as black. There doesn&#8217;t appear to be any remarkable increase in fractures in the area for this time of year, though. </p>
<p>The bottom middle of this map looks like the area where they started from<br />
<a href="http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101144000-2009101144459.500m.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101144000-2009101144459.500m.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nasif Nahle</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nasif Nahle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 02:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Phil... I cannot see any fissures of open water. Ice dunes only... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil&#8230; I cannot see any fissures of open water. Ice dunes only&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Phil.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;George Gillan (18:41:06) :
“However, from satellite pictures we receive in the Ops Room, we can see that once the team cross the 85th degree of latitude, the condition of the ice deteriorates rapidly. Large fissures of open water running east to west for several hundred miles currently scar the ice imagery.”

Is this true?&lt;/em&gt;

Check out this, particularly at 500m scale, top left.
http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101143500-2009101143959.4km.jpg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>George Gillan (18:41:06) :<br />
“However, from satellite pictures we receive in the Ops Room, we can see that once the team cross the 85th degree of latitude, the condition of the ice deteriorates rapidly. Large fissures of open water running east to west for several hundred miles currently scar the ice imagery.”</p>
<p>Is this true?</em></p>
<p>Check out this, particularly at 500m scale, top left.<br />
<a href="http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101143500-2009101143959.4km.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/single.php?2009101/crefl2_143.A2009101143500-2009101143959.4km.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Rodaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Graeme Rodaughan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone else noticed the lack of Pro AGW comment on the Catlin Threads?

They seem to be avoiding the topic like the plague.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone else noticed the lack of Pro AGW comment on the Catlin Threads?</p>
<p>They seem to be avoiding the topic like the plague.</p>
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		<title>By: Just Want Truth...</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just Want Truth...]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bill (17:02:45) : 

GREAT LINK  Bill!

Thank you!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bill (17:02:45) : </p>
<p>GREAT LINK  Bill!</p>
<p>Thank you!!</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMoose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnonyMoose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they need several hours of boiling water in the morning to heat their batteries and several hours of cooking in the evening for their evening meal, how much time each day are they walking?  Have they mentioned how long they spend preparing breakfast?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they need several hours of boiling water in the morning to heat their batteries and several hours of cooking in the evening for their evening meal, how much time each day are they walking?  Have they mentioned how long they spend preparing breakfast?</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Green</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Green]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If we want to save polar bears then we need build a dam across the Bering Straits to block the warm Pacific water from entering.  

Just kidding Anthony, but this might be cheaper then CO2 taxes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we want to save polar bears then we need build a dam across the Bering Straits to block the warm Pacific water from entering.  </p>
<p>Just kidding Anthony, but this might be cheaper then CO2 taxes.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will the 2009 ASMR-E Sea Ice Extent fall, or will it cross over 2008 and 2003 by the end of April?
Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the 2009 ASMR-E Sea Ice Extent fall, or will it cross over 2008 and 2003 by the end of April?<br />
Mike</p>
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