Tulekah (14:56:56) :

on the one hand you have Amundson, on the other Scott…Amundsen…Scott…Amundsen…Scott…One didn’t die…One became so very famous…Sad.

I commented about this early on in another thread. Why is it that the guy who failed, badly, is a hero because he died, and took the best part of his team with him. But the guy who repeatedly succeeded is just a notation in the history books. Amundsen was THE man.

This is a trek for a socialist feudal world which will only come about by forcing us all to reduce our standard of living to something like they have in Cuba only without the nice warm beaches.

No one fully understands climate and to mess with things you we know little about is to court disaster. Such as Obama’s latest lunacy about shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect sunlight to cool the planet even more. What if that backfires? What then? What an arrogant idea!

If this planet warmed up some, we would all prosper. Too bad it’s now in a cooling phase with idiots in charge who grope with half baked ideas and over-taxations schemes to bilk Joe Public.

The facts no longer support the global warming “THEORY”.

I’ve worked in -40 weather before. Using the right equipment is essential to life or deaths. Sounds to me like they accepted some junk from some treehugging corp sponsor. They also needed some survival training. A couple weeks at the USAF survival school would have done wonders, albeit hurt their street cred with their constituency.

While I would like to hope they come off the ice alive and in one piece, frankly given the damage they and their kind are doing for the sake of an agenda, I don’t.

If you go back to a post by the team doctor early in the drama, he talked about the way the body compensates for heat deficit by shutting down blood flow to the extremities. Here’s his quote:

The fact that the Team can’t now feel their fingers and toes demonstrates not only just how extreme the cold is ( -34ºC… just try to imagine! your freezer at home is –18º or so) but also the amazing lengths the body will go to survive.

In future articles, we’ll have a look at what happens if the body’s mechanisms begin to fail – hypothermia and frostbite

Thus he predicted the game plan to heighten interest in the project by reporting hypothermia and frostbite. Any responsible medical advisor would have, upon the first signs of either of these conditions, pulled his patients out of the cold. This doctor is either totally irresponsible, or he knows this is just a charade.

Who thinks it’s sensible to have people enjoying frostbite and chronic hypothermia wandering around near the north pole making critical decisions about how to avoid and traverse ice that is constantly opening and shifting? No one, that’s who. So the physical troubles these people are encountering are wildly exaggerated for the publicity. Trust nothing about the reports of this adventure.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644

Only two years on, but it looks like a really bad 1970s haircut.

New Scientist is the media wing of GreenPeace. I have tried to get them to print articles on the variability of windpower, and why population increase is the greatest threat to the environment, and they have refused point blank. According to New Scientist editors, intermittent electrical supplies are not a problem for a technical society.

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I watched more than 90 minutes of data from the site.

Aside from the first few minutes of data from Pen (with low core temperatures) which I am assuming is still showing the core pill in transit to the stomach (since the temperature is consistently rising), the data is clean and it is pretty amazing that we are able to see data collected from such environments.

Karl, after the initial transit of the pill, the core plateaus and amazingly shows the body maintaining temps around 37 for all 3 of them. Skin temperature is known to vary a lot, and is largely, by itself, an unreliable measure for assessing core body temperature and would never be expected to be as consistent a vital as core tmeperature. Core temperature is also a difficult measure to monitor continuously in a moving individual- but this data looks pretty good.

What would be interesting at this time (as we aren’t able to see all the data collected on vitals to date) is to see trends of core temperatures (in particular) through the expedition so far and some of the more recent data collected. And yes it would be amazing to plot this if possible against the sleep cycle if that is available.

So this is not deceit from what I can tell, but simply a group of people trying to carry out an expedition for a subject they, and many others are passionate about.

I cannot comment on the scientific merits of the collection of ice thickness data, but I think at least for their attempts they deserve credit.

http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/sponsors

Larry

Phil. (11:55:35) :

If you go to the link for the manufacture of the bio-data monitoring system it is a dead end link — ie it is just a URL with no page at all, not even an under construction page.

There isn’t a link to the manufacturer but there is a full description of the equipment and the name of the manufacturer which is easily found by Google (see below)

I was referring to the URL http://www.hidalgo.co.uk/ I found in their web pages for the manufacturer.

Larry

We found that employees could handle living in a frame tent at -44 for two months of Saskatchewan winter was no big deal. However, when the temperature dropped below -50, problems happened. We surmised it was the psychological effect of thinking that you must be cold at -55 even if you’re not, and then doing things that made one cold.

Eating animal fat helps… lots of butter on partly frozen bread.

Catlin sites tonight says:
“Identified on high-res Radarsat 2 satellite imagery, the team are trekking NNE to what looks like a potential landing strip for the resupply”

Checked Radarsat 2
http://www.radarsat2.info/

The site has its own Catlin link
http://www.radarsat2.info/about/gallery/catlin/

Hope Radarsat 2 publish images of the Catlin team on the ice.

There isn’t a link to the manufacturer but there is a full description of the equipment and the name of the manufacturer which is easily found by Google (see below)

http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/technology_ept
http://www.equivital.co.uk/terms_conditions.html

Mike Bryant (09:43:05) :

hotrod and karl heuer,
Good work. What this amounts to is deliberate deception. Do the sponsors know what they are paying for? Does the prince realize that he is being swindled?
I feel so used…
Mike Bryant

PS Too bad that the feeling is becoming so familiar.

Yes the cynic in me suspects that they saw a lot of hits from WUWT and “fed” that hypothermia story to pump up hits on their site. Then at some future time they will use their site hit statistics to validate how “Important” their work was.

There is a fine print disclaimer at the bottom of the bio-data section that the data will not be used to determine medical condition of the team. If they were even remotely ethical they would include in that disclaimer that the data was archived, delayed or representative and not real time data as they clearly intend the site to be interpreted by the average visitor who will only monitor for a few seconds or minutes.

I will not ever visit their site again — in my mind they are running a scam and intentionally misrepresenting them selves. If you go to the link for the manufacture of the bio-data monitoring system it is a dead end link — ie it is just a URL with no page at all, not even an under construction page.

At this point unless they can produce a satellite photo of their expedition on the ice taken by an independent vendor, I have serious doubts they are even on the ice where they report to be.

Just another case of “cooked data” I suspect unless they can do a very well documented case to show the trip is actually taking place right now, I will discount anything and everything they say they have accomplished.

If nothing else if they were at all interested in being ethical and open when folks started contacting them about their concern over the health of their team they should have (would have) responded with with — a thank you for your concern but that biodata is only representative, and does not indicate the actual bioreadings of the team answer.

None of the advertisers have responded in that manner either so they are either complicit in the intentional misrepresentation of the situation or are being scammed just like the general public.

Larry

PS Too bad that the feeling is becoming so familiar.