Comments on: Edmonton Canada bests March 10th record low by -12 degrees, columnist questions climate situation

By: ralph ellis

ralph ellis — Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:56:17 +0000

>>Interesting that a country “where it never rains anymore”
>>is not shown as having a drought by the
>>Australian Bureau of Meteorology.

Australia’s problem is not a lack of rains, but short memories and too many people. Australia has long had droughts, but the new demands on water resources by the expanding population is pushing resources over a tipping-point.

We need population control, not CO2 control.

By: woodstock1969

woodstock1969 — Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:40:36 +0000

Global warming is now a religion, and you know how religions can prove everything about their religion is true, well that’s what is happening to the Global Warming sect. As in…all weather proves Global Warming, no matter what the weather.

By: Deep Climate

Deep Climate — Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:59:06 +0000

From WordPress help:
Autosave on Published Content

“If you are editing a post or page that has already been published, autosave continues to work, but it will not overwrite any of the published content. The changes will not be displayed on the blog until you click the Update Post/Page button in the Publish module. You can find the last autosave, if there is one, and other post revisions in the Post Revisions Module. “

So I don’t see why you have to take a post down to update it. Perhaps there used to be a problem when the Autosave feature was first introduced, but I’m not aware of one now.

By: David Wells

David Wells — Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:35:26 +0000

Brush fires in Australia, whilst the hottest temperates were recorded where the fires were, according to Australian climate specialists the reason why the fires dragged on so long was lack of precipitation caused by low sea temperatures in the Pacific. Low sea temperature means no evaporation and therefore no rain.

Just add this extra component to the long list of adjustments that the profilers continually need to make to their software in a vain attempt to predict what may happen when humanity has at last become extinct.

I am really looking forward to the today when I am spared having to read any more of Al Gores twaddle, why cant they do what most failed American politicians do find religion, Oh Sorry!

By: MattB

MattB — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:47:56 +0000

young kids… that is what I blame for being a less than patient blogger these days;) I must say I think the post reads in a perfectly acceptable manner now. I don’t think gunter’s post needs/deserves updating – he can be judged by it. It is a shame there are 50 or so sceptical blogs out there without similar clarification of his claims… but this is the best one so a good place to start.

I hope you understand that, like you, I enjoy diverse scientific opinions, but if I see something as a crock I’ll speak up and not accept unacceptable explanations. but unlike a religious believer from either side I WILL stop when I think fairness is restored. So I’m happy to say sorry I annoyed you and jumped to conclusions on the removal of this entry, and also to say good on ya for the corrections.

By: MattB

MattB — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:26:41 +0000

Sure I do apologise if I have offended you Anthony. it may be wordplay but I was actually challenging you to be brave and honest – I had no idea you were compelled to remove blog posts to edit them, or might have expected that if a post was mid-edit you could easily put in red “BLOG BEING UPDATED” at the top.

Sure I may have been being a bit of a smart ass at times… but if you don;t keep a tab on articles like this you risk becoming less credible than I have the feeling you would like.

The Edmonton article is bulldust and makes up a sensationalist headline to grab blog attention. “Edmonton has 3rd coldest say in 48 years” is a headline worthy of a local rag as a point of interest.

REPLY: When I edit in the evening, I often take posts offline because I have young children about, and sometimes I am pulled away from the computer for several minutes or longer. I’ve been burnt before by the autosave feature of WordPress putting up a half edited post. Putting it offline in these conditions prevents an incomplete presentation, but risks overreaction from people like yourself that are looking for changes. Catch-22. No more edits will be made until I hear from Mr. Gunter. I have a new email address for him so hopefully that will be soon. Feel free to discuss anything else on any other part of the blog until then. – Anthony

By: MattB

MattB — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 06:01:16 +0000

[snip- I'm not interested in your opinions after your rant about me taking the post down a few minutes for editing. An apology from you would be in order first. When Mr. Gunter posts a correction I'll make it known here, until then I think it is quite clear - Anthony]

By: matt v.

matt v. — Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:11:05 +0000

mattB
You have again misunderstood the data posted.
No one is claiming that the entire 2008-2009 winter in the Edmonton or Nothern Alberta region was the coldest ever. All we are saying is that some short term cold records are already being broken now in this regions.My previous post clearly showed that global warming has stopped for the last two years regionally in this area. [ also in Canda and globally i might add ]. The temperature anomaly dropped from +6.5C in 2006 to -0.6 in 2009 a drop of 7.1 degrees for the entire winter . There is no global warming here ? We could very well during the next decade in Alberta reach even colder temperatures like those in1972 and 1950 which were 5C lower than 2009 for the entire winter

By: MattB

MattB — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:57:34 +0000

Matt v that is global warming for you…. the blogosphere erupts when in fact there have been 18 colder winters since 1948.

By: Gary Turner

Gary Turner — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:10:19 +0000

JFrykman (12:09:13)
>If you are going to talk “average” you need to be very specific as to what average means AND how it is calculated. Hint: The average speed of a car traveling at 40 km/h for an hour and then 60 km/h for the next hour is not 50 km/h.

Perhaps you should read your own problem statement. If you travel at 40km/h for one hour, and 60km/h for one hour, you will travel 100km in 2 hours, or 50km/h.

However, if you travel 120km at 40km/h and 120km at 60km/h, you will have traveled 240km in 5 hours, or a 48km/h average. This is a quite different problem statement from yours.

By: JFrykman

JFrykman — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:09:13 +0000

All you folks who are so fond of talking about “average” temperatures don’t know what you are talking about. In a dynamic system such as the Earth’s climate, such terms are meaningless. It’s like saying “the average speed of all automobiles on the planet is 57.4 km/h.” Which cars are you timing? Do you time the ones in parking lots? Do you time the ones traveling at midnight vs those stuck in traffic jams in Manhattan?

If you are going to talk “average” you need to be very specific as to what average means AND how it is calculated. Hint: The average speed of a car traveling at 40 km/h for an hour and then 60 km/h for the next hour is not 50 km/h.

There is absolutely no way anyone can know what the average temperature of the Earth is. And then, there is the other issue of, even if we do know what the average temperature is, what SHOULD the average temperature be? Should it never vary from that average?

By: matt v.

matt v. — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:54:43 +0000

Perhaps the following table will illustrate how much cooling has taken place during the past several winters in the Edmonton region or the NORTHWESTERN FOREST region as used by ENVIORNMENT CANADA. Figures are comparison to the 1948-2009 trend and cover the months of december, january and february only

2006 winter-2 nd warmest [+6.5c]
2007 winter-10 th warmest[+3.7c]
2008 winter – 36 th warmest [+0.6C]
2009 winter-42 nd warmest [-0.6C]

For comparison 1972 was the second coldest at [-4.5C]
1950 was the coldest winter at {-5.5C]

All these are during years when PDO was NEGATIVE or in the cool phase

The message here is that we are not yet experiencing record cold for the entire winer for the entire region but as the PDO extends for 20-30 years, we may. Currently we are already having isolated records lasting shorter periods only as posted by Gunter.

By: MattB

MattB — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:52:05 +0000

And since you asked I’m in Perth, Australia.

By: MattB

MattB — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:51:10 +0000

why would you be interested in Jan – Oct if you were looking at long term temps?

What pray tell just what does your post have to do with the FACT that the linked Edmonton Journal article is just making stuff up, and most likely deliberatively false.

If you are not appalled by the articles blatant inaccuracies… then I suggest you are not a sceptic.

By: Smokey

Smokey — Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:42:49 +0000

MattB, Where are you now? You can believe the IPCC all you want; you can select one particular time in one location and pretend that global temperatures are increasing. But they're not. The're falling, and not just a little bit, or over a short time frame: click Global warming is a fantasy, promoted by grant-seeking opportunists and constantly repeated by the gullible.