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	<title>Comments on: NOAA finds seven new corals to worry about</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/05/noaa-finds-seven-new-corals-to-worry-about/#comment-95280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every bad thing that was blamed on humans in the past is now being blamed on CO2 and fossil fuels,  because without cheap energy there will be far fewer humans, except the few million eco-evolved  humans, of course.
Welcome to paradise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every bad thing that was blamed on humans in the past is now being blamed on CO2 and fossil fuels,  because without cheap energy there will be far fewer humans, except the few million eco-evolved  humans, of course.<br />
Welcome to paradise.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 15:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Hinge (03:23:21) :

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do you honestly believe that the following has no effect on the worlds biodiversity; habitat loss, invasive species, pollution and human population growth. Studies time and time again show that these factors have major effects on biodiversity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m at a loss to see how you can make such a leap of logic. I questioned the factual content of an report commissioned by the WWF and reported New Scientist. Do you really believe ground-living vertebrates have declined by 25% 
with most of the slump occurring since 1980? Do you even know what a vertebrate is?

I&#039;m well aware of the pressure that Mankind is placing on the environment and am concerned. I&#039;m a conservationist and believe we must give large tracts of terrain to wild unrestrained evolutionary progression. We must also take into account the needs of humanity. So I&#039;m sick to death of this manic fixation the loathsome politicised enviro Marxists have with CO2.

They are draining funds needed for conservation and trying to drag wealthy countries into poverty. We can only tackle these problems from a position of strength. Try and be altruistic when you&#039;re hungry, cold and your children are sick. Your friends are working toward forcing people into desperation and when people are desperate the won&#039;t give a flying fig about your mother Earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hinge (03:23:21) :</p>
<blockquote><p>Do you honestly believe that the following has no effect on the worlds biodiversity; habitat loss, invasive species, pollution and human population growth. Studies time and time again show that these factors have major effects on biodiversity.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m at a loss to see how you can make such a leap of logic. I questioned the factual content of an report commissioned by the WWF and reported New Scientist. Do you really believe ground-living vertebrates have declined by 25%<br />
with most of the slump occurring since 1980? Do you even know what a vertebrate is?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware of the pressure that Mankind is placing on the environment and am concerned. I&#8217;m a conservationist and believe we must give large tracts of terrain to wild unrestrained evolutionary progression. We must also take into account the needs of humanity. So I&#8217;m sick to death of this manic fixation the loathsome politicised enviro Marxists have with CO2.</p>
<p>They are draining funds needed for conservation and trying to drag wealthy countries into poverty. We can only tackle these problems from a position of strength. Try and be altruistic when you&#8217;re hungry, cold and your children are sick. Your friends are working toward forcing people into desperation and when people are desperate the won&#8217;t give a flying fig about your mother Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keohane</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/05/noaa-finds-seven-new-corals-to-worry-about/#comment-95230</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Keohane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 14:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Hinge (03:23:21) All the things you list add to biodiversity. A static eco-system will minimize biodiversity, change leads to change, it&#039;s nature&#039;s way of surviving. Over 90% of every species that has existed is dead. It happened without humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hinge (03:23:21) All the things you list add to biodiversity. A static eco-system will minimize biodiversity, change leads to change, it&#8217;s nature&#8217;s way of surviving. Over 90% of every species that has existed is dead. It happened without humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Hinge</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/05/noaa-finds-seven-new-corals-to-worry-about/#comment-95174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Hinge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 11:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;MartinGAtkins (02:35:51) : &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do you honestly believe that the following has no effect on the worlds biodiversity; habitat loss, invasive species, pollution and human population growth. Studies time and time again show that these factors have major effects on biodiversity.

I suggest before commentating on this subject you take some time to actually read up on it first. A good starting place would be to google Hawaii and native wildlife. 
Like it or not we are all connected with other living organisms and the loss of one species can have an immediate effect on many others. 
Maybe you should think beyond your own back yard and think about what kind of world we are leaving behind for future generations, or maybe you just don&#039;t care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>MartinGAtkins (02:35:51) : </p></blockquote>
<p>Do you honestly believe that the following has no effect on the worlds biodiversity; habitat loss, invasive species, pollution and human population growth. Studies time and time again show that these factors have major effects on biodiversity.</p>
<p>I suggest before commentating on this subject you take some time to actually read up on it first. A good starting place would be to google Hawaii and native wildlife.<br />
Like it or not we are all connected with other living organisms and the loss of one species can have an immediate effect on many others.<br />
Maybe you should think beyond your own back yard and think about what kind of world we are leaving behind for future generations, or maybe you just don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Hinge (13:05:32) :

New Scientist
Global picture

&lt;i&gt;Ground-living vertebrates have declined by 25%.

The results were released as part of a WWF report,&lt;/i&gt;

Pure propaganda in a glossy magazine by the favored mouth piece of the enviro disciples.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hinge (13:05:32) :</p>
<p>New Scientist<br />
Global picture</p>
<p><i>Ground-living vertebrates have declined by 25%.</p>
<p>The results were released as part of a WWF report,</i></p>
<p>Pure propaganda in a glossy magazine by the favored mouth piece of the enviro disciples.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinGAtkins</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/05/noaa-finds-seven-new-corals-to-worry-about/#comment-95149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MartinGAtkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 09:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Arndt (10:19:44) :

&lt;blockquote&gt;BTW anyone know of any animal that has died out in the last 25 years?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Honestus Taxfundis Scientifica.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Arndt (10:19:44) :</p>
<blockquote><p>BTW anyone know of any animal that has died out in the last 25 years?</p></blockquote>
<p>Honestus Taxfundis Scientifica.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary P</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary P]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there a single benign or beneficial bacteria, plant, bug, fish, amphibian, reptile, bird, or mammal that may not have been hurt by AGW?

Is there a single virus, pestilence, infection, toxic mold, poison plant, invasive species, or mental disorder that may not have been increased by AGW?

An easy way to spot pure unadulterated bilge water is to spot the word &quot;may&quot;  as in the article at the top, &quot;these corals ...may...  be among the first marine organisms to be affected by ocean acidification&quot;

Or they may not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there a single benign or beneficial bacteria, plant, bug, fish, amphibian, reptile, bird, or mammal that may not have been hurt by AGW?</p>
<p>Is there a single virus, pestilence, infection, toxic mold, poison plant, invasive species, or mental disorder that may not have been increased by AGW?</p>
<p>An easy way to spot pure unadulterated bilge water is to spot the word &#8220;may&#8221;  as in the article at the top, &#8220;these corals &#8230;may&#8230;  be among the first marine organisms to be affected by ocean acidification&#8221;</p>
<p>Or they may not.</p>
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		<title>By: Adolfo Giurfa</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/05/noaa-finds-seven-new-corals-to-worry-about/#comment-94998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adolfo Giurfa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Hinge: Add to your list the &quot;Homo Sapiens Thermophylium&quot; (GWr, in english) next to be extinct in the next &quot;Jose´s minimum&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hinge: Add to your list the &#8220;Homo Sapiens Thermophylium&#8221; (GWr, in english) next to be extinct in the next &#8220;Jose´s minimum&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Hinge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Hinge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Jim Arndt (10:19:44) : &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Unfortunately it is a long process before confirming that an animal is extinct. If a particular organism is very distinctive in form/colour and habit then it becomes easier to confirm if an organism is extinct or not. The Costa Rican Holdridge Toad &lt;i&gt;Bufo holdridgei&lt;/i&gt;is an example of this. It had a bright orange and black colouration and predictable behaviour. This was a locally common species that was declared endangered in 2006 and declared extinct last year. the Costa Rican Orange Toad &lt;i&gt;Incilius periglenesis&lt;/i&gt; also extinct, again this used to be a locally common species. In Hawaii many species of thethe land snails of the genus &lt;i&gt;Achatinella &lt;/i&gt; are either extinct, endangered or the last few members of the species are kept in captive housing.
Add to the list the Zanzibar Leopard &lt;i&gt;Panthera pardus adersi&lt;/i&gt;
in 1996
The Pyrenean Ibex &lt;i&gt;Capra pyrenaica pyrenaica &lt;/i&gt; in 2000
The Black-faced Honeycreeper &lt;i&gt;Melamprosops phaeosoma&lt;/i&gt; in 2004.
The Madeiran Large White Butterfly &lt;i&gt;Pieris brassicae wollastoni&lt;/i&gt; in 2007
There are many more recorded, and a lot more than this unrecorded. Each of the extinct organisms will have other organisms that can only live with that particular species, such as lice, bacteria etc, these will also be extinct and may never have been recorded. 
Many organisms have suffered huge population crashes, they may not have the population to continue. In the last 35 years there has been a decline of 37% in biodiversity http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13915-global-biodiversity-slumps-27-in-35-years.html
An excellent book on the subject of extinctions is Edward O Wilson&#039;s work &#039;The Future of Life&#039;. This man has been my inspiration and I would recommend any of his works for an excellent overview of life on this planet (especially ants!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jim Arndt (10:19:44) : </p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately it is a long process before confirming that an animal is extinct. If a particular organism is very distinctive in form/colour and habit then it becomes easier to confirm if an organism is extinct or not. The Costa Rican Holdridge Toad <i>Bufo holdridgei</i>is an example of this. It had a bright orange and black colouration and predictable behaviour. This was a locally common species that was declared endangered in 2006 and declared extinct last year. the Costa Rican Orange Toad <i>Incilius periglenesis</i> also extinct, again this used to be a locally common species. In Hawaii many species of thethe land snails of the genus <i>Achatinella </i> are either extinct, endangered or the last few members of the species are kept in captive housing.<br />
Add to the list the Zanzibar Leopard <i>Panthera pardus adersi</i><br />
in 1996<br />
The Pyrenean Ibex <i>Capra pyrenaica pyrenaica </i> in 2000<br />
The Black-faced Honeycreeper <i>Melamprosops phaeosoma</i> in 2004.<br />
The Madeiran Large White Butterfly <i>Pieris brassicae wollastoni</i> in 2007<br />
There are many more recorded, and a lot more than this unrecorded. Each of the extinct organisms will have other organisms that can only live with that particular species, such as lice, bacteria etc, these will also be extinct and may never have been recorded.<br />
Many organisms have suffered huge population crashes, they may not have the population to continue. In the last 35 years there has been a decline of 37% in biodiversity <a href="http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13915-global-biodiversity-slumps-27-in-35-years.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13915-global-biodiversity-slumps-27-in-35-years.html</a><br />
An excellent book on the subject of extinctions is Edward O Wilson&#8217;s work &#8216;The Future of Life&#8217;. This man has been my inspiration and I would recommend any of his works for an excellent overview of life on this planet (especially ants!)</p>
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		<title>By: rickM</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Two aspects of this article really bother me:

&quot;NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, .....&quot; This is untrue, as they are striving for comprehension on the incredible diversity and lack of understanding &quot;from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun...&quot;.

Finally, the sheer time scale described on living 4,000 year old coral, the manner in which deep ocean &quot;mixes&quot; and the rate in which it happens. 30 years isn&#039;t even a factor with regards to this coral.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two aspects of this article really bother me:</p>
<p>&#8220;NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth’s environment, &#8230;..&#8221; This is untrue, as they are striving for comprehension on the incredible diversity and lack of understanding &#8220;from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>Finally, the sheer time scale described on living 4,000 year old coral, the manner in which deep ocean &#8220;mixes&#8221; and the rate in which it happens. 30 years isn&#8217;t even a factor with regards to this coral.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig D. Lattig</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig D. Lattig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Arndt (10:19:44) : 
BTW anyone know of any animal that has died out in the last 25 years?

The dusky seaside sparrow went extinct here in Florida around 1990...that one I know off the top of my head...a few others I would have to google.
from the swamp...cdl]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Arndt (10:19:44) :<br />
BTW anyone know of any animal that has died out in the last 25 years?</p>
<p>The dusky seaside sparrow went extinct here in Florida around 1990&#8230;that one I know off the top of my head&#8230;a few others I would have to google.<br />
from the swamp&#8230;cdl</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Arndt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Arndt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So when we find a new species is that a net gain or does it immediately add to a endangered list. So if three die out and seven are found thats a net gain right. BTW anyone know of any animal that has died out in the last 25 years?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when we find a new species is that a net gain or does it immediately add to a endangered list. So if three die out and seven are found thats a net gain right. BTW anyone know of any animal that has died out in the last 25 years?</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just like the coral, mankind will adapt to the next ice age. We will surely develp technologies to help us adapt... it&#039;s not like the glaciers will advance overnight!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like the coral, mankind will adapt to the next ice age. We will surely develp technologies to help us adapt&#8230; it&#8217;s not like the glaciers will advance overnight!</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch H.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mitch H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Six of these species may represent entirely new genera, a remarkable feat given the broad classification a genus represents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ooh, oooh!  They found at least one whole new &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;genus&lt;/a&gt;!  What subliterate wrote this press-release?  They should have learned what genera are in grade school, and why it&#039;s so utterly inconsequential to find a few on a major zoological expedition in under-explored territories!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Six of these species may represent entirely new genera, a remarkable feat given the broad classification a genus represents.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ooh, oooh!  They found at least one whole new <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genus" rel="nofollow">genus</a>!  What subliterate wrote this press-release?  They should have learned what genera are in grade school, and why it&#8217;s so utterly inconsequential to find a few on a major zoological expedition in under-explored territories!</p>
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		<title>By: Adolfo Giurfa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adolfo Giurfa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;A Coral graveyard&quot;. All those beautiful corals MURDERED by CO2 deniers!!.
But if killed by CO2 sea acidification by increased amounts of CO2 dissolved in water= decreased water temperatures...They bite their tails!
Speaking seriously: It is just local geothermal conditions, and a good pretext for enjoying free and well paid divings in a tropical paradise. (Really good luck of some!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A Coral graveyard&#8221;. All those beautiful corals MURDERED by CO2 deniers!!.<br />
But if killed by CO2 sea acidification by increased amounts of CO2 dissolved in water= decreased water temperatures&#8230;They bite their tails!<br />
Speaking seriously: It is just local geothermal conditions, and a good pretext for enjoying free and well paid divings in a tropical paradise. (Really good luck of some!).</p>
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