Many WUWT readers have heard about this:
UPDATE: Video report on the DC snow here h/t to Stefan P
Here is my IntelliWeather Monday and hour by hour forecast for Washington, DC.
WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 2 PM EST MONDAY
Includes the Counties: District Of Columbia, Arlington/Falls Church/Alexandria
Includes the cities: Washington, Alexandria, Falls Church
Tonight…Snow. Snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Brisk with lows in the lower 20s. North winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.
Monday…Cloudy. Snow likely in the morning…Then a chance of snow in the afternoon. Additional snow accumulation around an inch. Total snow accumulation 7 to 8 inches. Brisk with highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.
Hour by Hour, as of 4:30PM EST Sunday. Click for full sized image
By the time Partly Cloudy skies appear about 3PM Monday, there will be about 4-8″ of snow on the ground in DC.
Plus, in New York City, where Jim Hansen would likely depart from, they also have a Winter Storm Warning in effect to 6PM Monday with forecast of:
WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 PM EST MONDAY
Includes the Counties: Hudson, New York (Manhattan), Bronx, Richmond (Staten Island), Kings (Brooklyn), Queens Tonight…Snow developing this evening…Heavy at Times. Snow accumulation of 6 to 10 inches. Windy with lows in the mid 20s. North winds 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.
Monday…Snow in the morning…Then snow likely in the afternoon. Snow May be heavy at Times in the morning. Total snow accumulation of 8 to 12 inches. Windy. Near steady temperature in the mid 20s. North winds 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.
If Hansen hasn’t left NYC already, I’d say it is doubtful he’ll even make the protest given it is a Monday, and Monday’s are usually pretty bad commutes even without bad weather. Looks like it is going to be a…
More on the DC weather story form Justin Berk, Baltimore Weather Examiner
I interrupt the snowstorm updates to bring you this pressing issue. Monday, March 2nd 2009 is the date for a scheduled protest by Capitol Climate Action (CCA).
Heavy snow expected at the Nation’s Capitol on Monday
Their website labels it:
Mass civil disobedience at the coal fired power plant in Washington, DC
CCA claims this will be the largest mass civil disobedience for the climate in US history. There is actually a request to wear dress clothes. That seems odd. Is this a target to get young Americans in a vogue protest?
My forecast from this morning can be found here (I will have a new update by this evening). If you go just by the NWS forecast, then snow will range between 5-10 inches with wind gusts over 30 mph. The snowstorm forecast is ironic not only because it falls on the date of this protest, but also because it is a late season event. The normal high for the date in Washington, DC is 51F. What would be worse: Keep the protest on in the snowstorm, or cancel it because of the snowstorm?
The infamous Dr. James Hansen should be there leading the charge. My post last week about 2008 being the coldest year this decade included a reference to Hansen. I wrote, “This is the same man who turned off the air conditioning in the Capitol while speaking about Global Warming on a hot day in 1988.” I also mentioned his exposure of bad data for Russia just this past October. He used September data (a statistically warmer month) in place of cooler October data. This skewed the temperatures upward.
I don’t knock him for his extreme beliefs, but I do disagree with the questionable tactics he uses to get his message across. According to Fox News , he is in hot water since he works for NASA, yet is helping to organize a protest.
It seems like the Climate Crew has had some trouble getting their messages across. It’s almost as if mixed signals are coordinated by nature itself. Marc Marano, Communications Director for the GOP on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (EPW) sent out a list of events that seem to follow the Gore Effect. This was labeled by Politico.com as:
The so-called Gore Effect happens when a global warming-related event, or appearance by the former vice president and climate change crusader, Al Gore, is marked by exceedingly cold weather or unseasonably winter weather.
Check out this list courtesy of Marc Marano:
Note: The “Gore Effect” has a long and storied history. What follows is a sampling of how Mother Nature enjoys mocking global warming fear promoters.
1) First October snow since 1922 blankets London as global warming bill debated – October 2008
3) HOUSE HEARING ON ‘WARMING OF THE PLANET’ CANCELED AFTER SNOW/ICE STORM – February 2007
4) NOT AGAIN! DC ‘Snow Advisory’ Issued on Day of Congressional Global Warming Hearing – March 2007
5) Gore decries ‘global warming’ in bitterly cold NYC – December 2006
9) Global warming protest in Maryland frosted with snow – January 2008
10) Global warming rally in the snow – April 2007
11) Snow won’t dampen global-warming rallies – April 2007
13) Global Warming Awareness Walk Braves Snow Storm – March 2007
14) The Gore Effect, Cont. – Gore speaks in Italy during ‘rare’ cold and snow
15) Tracking ‘The Gore Effect’ – Politico November 26,6, 2008
16) Climate protest cancelled ‘due to rain and cold’ – Nov. 23, 2008
There is a God and he has a sense of humor.
140 students from the college I work at left to go to DC on Thursday and staying through Monday for the protest. It will be interesting to hear their take on the irony involved.
Divine justice without doubt.
It’s always going to be lose/lose to you people. If these events are held during the colder months, idiots will crow as if it’s somehow “ironic”. If they are held during warmer months, the same idiots will complain that it’s unfair staging (e.g. the 1988 testimony).
Nothing is going to satisfy people who believe 7 mutually contradictory things about climate change.
It’s weather. It happens.
REPLY: Nice to see you using your real identity rather than the fake one you’ve been trying out here and at CA unsuccessfully. But instead of concentrating on broken things, try to see the humor in life, and in this.- Anthony
Please……no more….I can’t take anymore….my stomach ACHES from laughing so hard….
Somebody up there has a sense of humour.
The Institut in Paris, France, then second only to the Royal Society in prestige amongst natural philosophers, decided in 1815 after prolonged and furious debate that the idea that stones could fall from the sky was quite absurd.
Three months later a shower of meteorites fell just outside Paris to the wonder of all.
Kindest Regards
I am waiting for the cognitive dissonance to kick in and for them to claim that colder temperatures and more snow are proof of warming. And the fact that global temperatures have been falling for the past 10 years to be another indication of global warming.
It is fascinating. I never believed that so many people could be so gullible. Fooling all of the people isn’t required. You only need to fool enough to get elected. I fear we are fast becoming an idiocracy.
“It’s weather. It happens.”
I see the beginnings of a glimmer of understanding, in that statement. See if you can apply your epiphany to warm spells, as well.
What amuses me is that I sat through debates back in the 70’s where the greenies wanted to take the yet to be completed South Texas Nuclear Project and convert it to COAL. It would have been ludicrously impractical, of course.
I’d be willing to bet some of those same greenzillas are in the crowd around Hanssen, spitting hate toward their once-loved coal.
Les, don’t read this.. it might be the last straw! 😉
I been blogging this over at DailyKos to a rather hostile reception.
I started last Thursday saying that if the trough deepened, they might get a big snow event.
I gotta confess, I don’t share some of the political inclinations of those who comment here; however, I believe that Hansen really went beyond the pale in comparing people who advocate continued use of coal to Nazi mass murderers and coal-fired generators to Auschwitz crematoria. It shows how desperate and intolerant he is.
So I am absolutely delighted to see him freeze his tush off tomorrow. And all those who chose to defend him and his vulgar assertions are equally subject to ridicule.
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
thingsbreak
As a “you people”, assuming that means me a reader of WUWT, is the Idiot? Only an idiot would hold a Global Warming Protest in a Blizzard.
There are several even temperature months ahead that all would work well to stage such a protest and not risk lives by filling the snow slicked streets and hiways with un-necessary vehicles driving, left running, etc to rally against CO2 emissions. Which is your right and one I completely support, but I have a right to laugh hysterically at the lunacy you engage in and I find it amusing you would lash out at such a “compromised” time.
I realize that “Social Responsibility” is a theme of the day. Where was the organizers sense of that when this weather was widely reported as coming since late last week? Where I live we call it prudence to re-schedule outside events in response to weather reports.
All I can say is “good luck with that”
Capitol cam
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/
Ouch!
Make that – – “I’ve been blogging.”
Too much moonshine in the holler, I guess.
Gotta stay warm somehow.
No Doubt Dr Hansen will be cycling from New York to Washington in order to save on all those CO2 emissions!
Oh please, its not april first.. its not joke.. please let it be serious..
YAY.. i just love it..this is gonna make my week.
Evidence that not only is there a God, but that he has a sense of humor.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
-Albert Einstein
Hmmm…no entry on Wikipedia for the Gore Effect?
Things like this make me believe that Nature itself takes action against political movements that result in fascist power. A bit like how the advance of the Nazis towards Russia was slowed by one of the coldest winters ever. Same thing happened to Napoleon.
Too bad D.C. cannot experience what we had here in far northern ND last Friday morning: 25 degrees BELOW zero F; with a bit of a breeze. Chill factor somewhere around 35-40 degrees below zero.
People from ”down south” who think the 20s above zero is cold have NO IDEA what really cold weather feels like. I looked for Al Gore and AGW REAL hard this winter; especially on the day in January where my outdoor sensors were reporting 41.6 degrees below zero (and that is WITHOUT chill factor).
Is climateaudit down again?
REPLY: No, – Anthony
I’m one that thinks God is sending a message, not laughing. Oxfam estimated that 30 million more people starved last year due to our diversion of food to fuel. Rain forests with diverse flora and fauna are being cut down to make alcohol from surgar cane or biofuels from palm oil. The dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico doubled as we expanded corn production for ethanol as fuel… could that be due to run off from fertilizer used in corn cultivation? Just as there are unwanted side effects from burning fossile fuels, there are unwanted side effects from renewables. Anyone want to argue about which is more imediate and severe?
Still waiting for the seven mutually contradictory things. Even of greater interest – just what do you mean by mutually contradictory?
Up here in Canada, we wear these neat little cable thingies on our winter boots. I’ll lend you mine.
God hates liars.
I guess nature is giving “global warming” the cold shoulder!
Oh please, someone throw him a snowball. Like to see him with snow all over his face.
Ridicule may well be the most powerful weapon we have against the Warming Religion.
A, and perhaps THE, key attraction of any religion is the belief you have access to important information, particularly information about future events that others don’t have.
This ‘knowledge’ gives believers a sense of superiority, as well as making them feel they have control over their and others future. BTW, you frequently see this attitude of ‘I know and you don’t’ in this and forums.
Ridicule will often undermine the believers sense of certainty about the future in ways that facts and logic never will. That’s because they didn’t arrive at their belief through facts and logic. So facts and logic don’t sway them.
It’s always going to be lose/lose to you people.
Wrong group, me thinks, ie “The climate is in crisis!” “If we don’t act now, we’ll all be flooded!” “One more coal plant, and we’re all going to die!” “We’re nearing the tipping point, oh noes!!”
etc. etc. etc.
Remember, folks – the NH frigid winter is weather. Australia’s hot, dry summer is climate. And the sky is falling – all over DC just now, heh 🙂
“thingsbreak” – I took a peek, not much of interest.
How does its traffic compare to WUWT?
On the Gore Effect: He should cook up a poster that says “We’re looking for a few good Snowmen”.
So, hop on your Popsickle and ski on down.
We’ve even got snow forecast for Georgia.
Out here in Calif., we like to think of it as an “Easter Surprise”.
March Madness in a icicular vein.
I’m really fighting the temptation to draw an analogy to Baskin & Robbins, but you’ll snip me, Anthony.
Reality Bites Delusion:
First, global cooling greets demonstrators, then this:
Capitol power plant dims clean energy hopes
AP – Monday, March 2
WASHINGTON – As Congress tries to clean up the nation’s energy sources and cut gases blamed for global warming, it is struggling to do so in its own backyard.
The Capitol Power Plant, a 99-year-old facility that heats and cools the hallowed halls of Congress, still burns coal and accounts for one-third of the legislative branch’s greenhouse gas emissions. For a decade, lawmakers have attempted to clean it up.
But Congress is running out of options to make the plant fully green. Also, there are questions about whether it can afford to keep paying to use the extra natural gas, which burns cleaner than coal.
The plant’s story is one that is likely to play out across the United States as Congress looks to limit greenhouse gases and require more of the country’s energy to come from wind, solar and other renewable sources.
So if Congress cannot act locally, as the environmental slogan goes, how can it begin to think globally?
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ap/20090301/twl-congress-power-plant-1be00ca.html
You just gotta love it!
BTW, I’ve put up my top level tour of the STEP0 process in GIStemp at:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/gistemp-step0-the-process/
The suspicious bits are highlighted near the bottom under ‘let the games begin’. There is something particularly delicious about the thought that maybe Hansen “believes his own BS” and it getting hoisted on it…
REPLY: Nice to see you using your real identity rather than the fake one you’ve been trying out here and at CA unsuccessfully. But instead of concentrating on broken things, try to see the humor in life, and in this.- Anthony
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Is it just me? Over the past few years I have read many, many, blog comments and I have noticed that alarmists seem to share a common feature, that being no sense of humor whatsoever. They really are a dour lot. Is there a psychologist around who could shed some light on this observation?.
If I had to make a choice of being stuck in a lift with an alarmist or a realist, I’d always choose the latter…and NOT just because of their climate views!
I feel strongly that we should protest the sun. I’m going to stand in my back yard with a sign that says, “Be Cool”… pointed at the sun.
I am just LMAO. I keep my fingers crossed.
Hahahahaha!!! poetry, pure political poetry!
Global warming demonstration cancelled by cold weather!
What is worse for the “cause”? To cancel the demonstration due to cold weather or ghold the demonstration in snow and cold?
Aha – I see you have already asked the rhetorical question, Anthony!!
I try my best to believe James Hansen genuinely believes in what he does (even though I think he has lost the plot). I hope he chooses to prove to the world that he’s not just a cynic ruthlessly exploiting the global warming game for personal benefit, for fame and fortune.
What would prove it me that he really is a believer is if he leads the parade wearing Bermuda shorts and a Hawaiian Shirt and sandals, and carrying a pool floaty (for that pesky rising sea level). Oh, and don’t forget the hat to keep off the beating sun.
Just as the Forth Crusade leaders believed God would protect them from the rising Nile floodwaters, Hansen needs to have faith that catastrophic global warming will prevail over finicky winter weather. After all, as we all know, the prevailing climate is very static and easily predicted, so he has no reason not to stick with Plan A.
On the other hand, as the Crusaders in the Nile Delta found to their detriment, while absolute faith may be a wonderful thing, it’s a good idea to throw in some commonsense as well!
Make that the “Fourth” Crusade. lol
Nick:
check out drsanity.blogspot.com She has an extensive backlog of posts that will answer your questions. She’s a practicing psychiatrist who once worked for NASA.
Steven Goddard (14:43:36) :
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
-Albert Einstein
The folly of Interpreters has been, to foretell times and things by this Prophecy, as if God designed to make them Prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the Prophecy also into contempt.
If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.
Isaac Newton
Where are the models when you need them? I suspect Hansen ran a model run and it told him “Sunny, Clear and 85F” … ROFLMAO …
The heating degree days for Washington, DC shows that the winter season ’08-’09 thus far is 23 percent colder compared to last year, and 3.6 percent colder than the 30-year average. And that data is a week old, so of course does not include this current storm. It will be worse when the data comes out in a week or so.
Maybe Hansen should pick a year to protest when it is actually warmer than usual?
Here’s a couple of contradictory thought.
[1] Man made emissions of CO2 cause both global warming and global cooling…
[2] Cap and Trade schemes will lower the emission of CO2
Assuming that Hansen shows up in Washington tomorrow, it would be interesting if we could check and see if he’s on the time card for a day of ‘work’ at NASA.
I am understanding what you mean. I think I have already begun to do this without even realizing it. More often I find myself simply rolling my eyes and ignoring the individual that makes an AGW comment to me. With no conscious effort, they simply become discredited and not worth effort effort to acknowledge. .. kind of a “what ever…” type of moment.
BTW: They are saying on the news, as I am writing this, that DC and the East coast will be getting the worst storm of the year tonight and tomorrow. still .. ROFLMAO ..
REPLY: Nice to see you using your real identity rather than the fake one you’ve been trying out here and at CA unsuccessfully. But instead of concentrating on broken things, try to see the humor in life, and in this.- Anthony
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I guess this explains why so many posts sound the same same guy differnt ID ?
Any word on how Hansen is getting to Washington? Amtrak? His car? Horse and buggy?
I would contribute money to a gumshoe to have him followed to see what “his” carbon footprint is.
If Hansen and co. really believed in this stuff, they would be buying up property in places like Hudson Bay. Imagine the opportunity to lock up the next vactionland mecca at rock bottom prices.
crosspatch (14:30:23) : It is fascinating. I never believed that so many people could be so gullible. Fooling all of the people isn’t required. You only need to fool enough to get elected. I fear we are fast becoming an idiocracy
I like the term! But thus it has always been…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_the_Madness_of_Crowds
(Though it really is titled “Memoirs of Extraordinary…” and is one of the best reads you will ever find. Much of human folly becomes clear as well as the fact that we have always been incredibly silly as a species.)
You can get a free download from:
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/24518
Or, in audio format:
http://librivox.org/memoirs-of-extraordinary-popular-delusions-and-the-madness-of-crowds-volume-i-by-charles-mackay/
Thingsbreak wrote: “Nothing is going to satisfy people who believe 7 mutually contradictory things about climate change.”
What could this sentence mean?
Let’s look at some IPCC “contradictions” (areas where the observed facts contradict the IPCC claims):
Contradiction #1:
IPCC projects global warming at a rate of 0.2C per decade in the early 21st century; so far the first 8 years of the 21st century have shown cooling at an average rate of around 0.1C per decade. Oops!
Contradiction #2:
IPCC states that the rate of sea level rise has increased in the latter part of the 20th century, switching from tide gauge records to satellite altimetry; the tide gauge record shows a slight decrease in sea level rise in the second half of the 20th century, as comapred to the first half. Hmm…
Contradiction #3:
IPCC states that changes in solar irradiance since 1750 are estimated to cause a radiative forcing of only 0.12 W/m^2, equivalent to a net warming of around 0.02C; several studies by solar scientists conclude that the 20th century warming caused by the unusually high level of solar activity is around 0.35C. Ouch!
Contradiction #4:
IPCC states that the warmth of the last half century is unusual in at least the previous 1,300 years, ignoring overwhelming physical and historical evidence of a warmer global Medieval Warm Period. Huh?
Contradiction #5:
IPCC claims that the satellite temperature record has shown a faster rate of tropospheric warming than that at the surface, confirming the anthropogenic cause of warming; both the satellite and radiosonde record show less warming than the surface record. Oops!
Contradiction #6:
IPCC models all assume a strongly positive feedback from clouds with warming, resulting in 1.3C of the total assumed 2xCO2 climate sensitivity of 3.2C; actual physical observations show a strongly negative net feedback from clouds of around the same order of magnitude; correcting the 2xCO2 climate sensitivity for this factor brings it to around 0.6 to 0.8C, rather than 3.2C. Ouch!
Contradiction #7:
IPCC staes confidently that the upward distortion of the surface temperature record due to the urban heat island effect has a negligible influence of less than 0.006C per decade; many studies from all over the world show that the UHI influence is thirty to fifty times as great as claimed by IPCC. Oh, oh!
There are many more, but I’ll just list these seven to start with…
Max
Let’s be clear. The reason there are so many people who are willing followers and participants in this AGW crusade is that global warming is the perfect massive vehicle in which to advocate, promote and fund many liberal causes.
Here in Oregon there is essentially a 100% support from every elected and activist Democrats and other liberals. You can’t find a single one not completely convinced and on board.
Everything, including smart growth, rail transit, taxes, energy, Dams, property rights, ocean dead zones, forest practices on and and on has hitched it’s cause to the AGW train, for years now.
We have a local commissioner who tried to include a “health and environmental justice” mandate into a bridge design to make sure it complies with CO2 reduction objectives.
And limited only by their imaginations, they are piling on more every day
with new observation attributed to AGW .
So much so that’s it’s now impossible for them to ever face reality and risk a backlash against their many causes.
Yet when any skeptic happens to point to some impressive cold and snow as a bit curious these same attributers-of-all-things-to-global warming quickly lecture about how wrong it is to make any connection.
“Weather is not climate” comes from the same alarmists who have cited Hurricane Katrina as evidence of Global Warming.
The AGW crusade has become a massive coalescing of all things left wing.
Therefore it no longer matters if AGW itself goes missing.
Sir Winston Churchill said;
“If you are not a socialist when you are young, you have no heart. If you are still a socialist when you are old, you have no brain.”
I guess most of those taking part in the demo will be young and rather gullible but have therir hearts in the right place. I also guess that most of them don’t learn history and are unaware that climatically we have been this way before.
Tonyb
Did Hansen and Gore schedule a protest in Seattle for next weekend?
Seems there is cold air seeping out of Siberia headed for the west coast of North America. NWS is a little iffy on the eta but can someone check with The Gorical?
THE GFS CONTINUES TO SHOW SOME OF THE COLD AIR
NOW IN SIBERIA MOVING
INTO ALASKA WED THEN SE ALONG THE B.C. COAST INTO
WA LATER THU INTO FRI…THOUGH THE GFS IS NEARLY
A DAY LATER WITH THIS THAN RUNS OF 24
HOURS AGO http://www.atmos.washington.edu/data/disc_report.html
200BC-300AD – the Romans came, saw and conquered Britain. Then planted grapes.
300AD-800AD – The dark ages! Everyone went home and sat by their fires.
800AD-1300AD – Away they went again, conquering and planting more grapes in the British Midlands.
1300AD-1800AD – Search for warmer climes out west. Sitting in front of the fires at home.
1800AD-2300AD Empire building, wars and the threat of Global Warming!
Seems to be a pattern in there somewhere.
Ah well, whatever.
Nick
“Is it just me? Over the past few years I have read many, many, blog comments and I have noticed that alarmists seem to share a common feature, that being no sense of humor whatsoever”
Nope- It’s not just you – Recent PRS (peer reviewed studies- myself and a few of me like-minded mates-that seems to be sufficient these days!) prove, beyond any need of debate, that an alarmist SOH (sense of humour) is inversely proportional to the sum of empirical evidence that concludes AGW is actually NAPWGUA (Not A Problem Worth Getting Upset About)
Scientifically and statistically, however, the most significant finding that my team and I have made is of the 94% correlation with the decibel levels of increasingly, ear-piercing, hysterical, ad-hominem attacks made by the warmist community on anyone who dares to question CCD (Current Climate Dogma) and the failure of computerised climate models to predict – er- JAE (just about everything)
As much as I and my team, would love to reveal my sources, script and data for the above 94% numeric alas, the dog ate it!
Bill McClure (15:36:08) : I guess this explains why so many posts sound the same same guy differnt ID ?
I noticed some of the same pattern. Posts that look like one guy trying to be two or three. It is far harder to hide choices of diction and style that folks would think. It’s almost as good as a fingerprint. ( I sometimes call them ‘mind prints’ though folks that frequently spend a lot of time together start to ‘sound’ alike. )
You also find a similar pattern of matches among the “Single female first name only, male-poser posting & language style, strong attitude vis AGW, only around for a week” set. I suspect someone, male, posing as a female to work the discrimination / guilt angle. But they get nowhere. I think the fact that everyone here is treated equally kind of spikes that attempt.
Skeptics don’t care who you are, they care what quality of thinking you have.
There is also a set that is either one person doing their own softball set-ups or two folks working together. Hard to tell without the forensic data, but the detail doesn’t really matter. What I find interesting is that none of those fingerprints happen on the skeptic IDs. Now it could just be that the skeptics are more comfortable, so feel no need; but I’m more inclined to think it is a more ‘formal’ attempt to corrupt or deflect the topic. The structure of the “softball deflected topic – skeptic reply – hardball 2nd poster push to hijack” keeps repeating. The “softball deflect” ID mutates every week or so, the hardball IDs are “the regular team”.
I don’t really care ( I find the process sharpens my skills, both in observation and in debate; so it helps me more than annoys ) but do enjoy watching the psychological aspects of it. Never really understood why some folks felt the need to practice from the side of deception.
(Other than in times of war. I have a wonderful book about the Camofleurs of WWII that is a marvel. On one occasion a few guys in sound trucks with inflatable tanks held off and then scared off an entire German army! I think it is:
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Soldiers-Story-Heroic-Deception/dp/0525946640
)
Please note: This is not about the use of pseudonyms per se, it’s about what you do with them. I fully understand the risks of too much trackable data in public… I was a target for several decades as a security person.
Darn it -I missed the punch-line-
ATDAI- Alas the dog ate it!
Hansen appears to be totally clueless and not at all informed.
From Wiki:
“On February 28, 2009, Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid sent a letter to the Architect of the Capitol asking him to create a plan to switch the power plant entirely to natural gas by the end of 2009. This letter came just three days before the scheduled protest, which organizers said would happen anyway.”
(In the midst of a late season snowstorm…roflmao)
http://speaker.house.gov/blog/?p=1711
Glad to see the AGW hypothesis being falsified on many levels. However, I’m all for reducing pollution and toxins in our environment, which are the cause of many ills. The problem is that climate change is not caused by those things, so when AGW is thoroughly discredited, soon, in the eyes of the public it could discredit as well, the generally good idea of being more environmentally responsible.
Ultimately, people like Hansen and Gore are detrimental to the overall issue of cleaning up our messes.
Mike Monce
check out drsanity.blogspot.com She has an extensive backlog of posts that will answer your questions. She’s a practicing psychiatrist who once worked for NASA.
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Thanks for the link, Mike.
This is SCIENCE (from NOAA):
“January Warmer Than Average for U.S.
Temperatures for the contiguous United States last month were slightly above the long-term average, based on records going back to 1895, according to a preliminary analysis by scientists at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. ”
What Al-GOREthms did they use? 🙂
In his testimony to the U.S. House of Representatives two years ago, James E. Hansen invoked the specter of an imminent man-made climate disaster for the environment, human civilization and the planet itself, predicting that “the Earth is close to dangerous climate change, to tipping points of the system with the potential for irreversible deleterious effects”.
In his testimony Hansen stated that the greatest threat to humanity is the likely demise of the West Antarctic ice sheet, concluding that “sea level rise this century may be measured in meters if we follow business-as-usual fossil fuel emissions.”
The most absurd part of Hansen’s testimony was:
“The dangerous level of CO2 is at most 450 ppm, and it is probably less.”
This statement is pure, unsubstantiated hyperbole without any scientific support. Today’s CO2 level, as measured at Mauna Loa, is 385 ppm by volume. The greenhouse hypothesis tells us that an increase to 450 ppm would result in a theoretical increase of global average temperature of 0.16 degrees C. This is much less of an increase than we experience in daily temperature swings, without reaching any “tipping point”.
In the past, Hansen has whined about being “muzzled” for his views, but he generates articles and other doomsday rhetoric on AGW at an alarming rate, including his latest “death train” rant.
Hansen is a US Government employee, paid by taxpayer money to provide a transparent and unbiased temperature record to the U.S. public, rather than moving away from his area of expertise and getting into politics and policy issues, much less making morality statements or getting involved in “mass civil disobedience” protests.
It’s hard to imagine that he is stupid enough not to realize how utterly absurd a “global warming protest” being held in a snowstorm looks to the world.
Hansen’s “tipping point” might best be described by the analogy of a dump truck loaded with manure. As the bed of the truck is tilted, at first nothing happens. Then a critical “tipping point” is reached, and the whole load of manure comes rushing out of the truck.
We are being inundated, not by the 6-meter waves from the breakup of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, but from the manure from Hansen’s dump truck.
Hot off the press –
Washington Region Braces for Winter Storm
Between 4-8 inches of snow forecast by morning, with up to 10 or more along and east of I-95; some say it could be the largest storm here in 3 years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
A primary requirement for a sense of humor is courage. The key to the world of humor is the courage to not take your fallible human self seriously.
Gore effect? IDTS. How about God effect?
Please keep us up to date with conditions, those of you who are in the path of the storm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect
“This page has been deleted.” “Patent nonsense”
E.M. Smith gets a blue ribbon for “Idiocracy,” a demented (socialistic) form of government within our Republic. The founders, I’m sure, feel the patriot’s pain.
Here you are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect
Please fill it out with detail, like the list of links in this article, and defend the page from deletion or complaints.
Gosh, made me shiver when I saw that ‘winter storm warning’. Have been living in Australia for the past 8 years and forgot all about them. Now I’m dealing with ‘extreme bushfire warnings’. Must admit, I’d trade you 100 winter storm warnings for one bushfire warning.
When will this AGW nonsense stop?
Oh, snap! Karma strikes again!
First the warmist satellite bites it in the antarctic, then the warmist Washington DC protest gets snowed out. . .
You can’t make up stuff like this!
Now all we need is some locusts. . .
“Philip_B (14:55:39) :
Ridicule may well be the most powerful weapon we have against the Warming Religion.”
No there is a better way.
The 1st Amendment states: “Congress shall make no law respecting establishment of religion, . . .” The mandates of the Bill of Rights (Amendments I through XI) have been imputed to all States by the 14th Amendment.
Whenever any proposed law dealing with AGW or premised upon that hypothesis is under consideration, opposition based upon violation of the establishment clause is appropriate. The absence of scientific proof indicates that AGW is based upon a belief system. Therefor, enactment of any such law involves the establishment of a religion.
Who says old lawyers can not be creative?
“Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense.”
— Mark Twain,
I don’t really condone schadenfreude. Still, this is Hansenfroid-eh?
(Go on look it up;-)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/froid
Adolfo Giurfa (16:33:37) :
“This is SCIENCE (from NOAA):
“January Warmer Than Average for U.S.
Temperatures for the contiguous United States last month were slightly above the long-term average, based on records going back to 1895, according to a preliminary analysis by scientists at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. ”
What Al-GOREthms did they use? :)”
Their conclusion agrees with the data I’ve been tracking on heating degree days across the U.S. For January 2009, the total HDD were only 1.4 percent less than the 30 year average (1971 – 2000).
What NOAA did NOT say, though, is that January 2009 was 7.6 percent colder than January 2008, as measured by HDD for the U.S. As we have come to expect, they appear to be reporting only the information that supports their agenda.
NOAA’s headline could just as easily have been: “Contiguous U.S. January 2009 Colder than Last Year by Almost 8 Percent.”
Hansen’s ahead of us on this one; by calling this anthropogenic climate change instead of warming. Now all weather is proof that he is correct, apparently. Just don’t ask him what would disprove anthropogenic climate change. I wonder if he’s ever seriously asked himself?
What a joke this is all becoming. It’s too bad the greens will have their way for two to four years but I really do predict they are screwing themselves afterwards. If we end up getting some realistic clean energy technology out of the deal then there’s a silver lining; I just hope we don’t hamstring ourselves trying to implement what doesn’t nearly work yet.
The big question is: if this hysteria dies down over the next decade or two, what will replace it?
John H (15:46:36) :
Too true. I’ll stop being skeptical when AGW advocates start promoting less government as the solution to AGW. I doubt if anyone can find a proposal that does not involve a. regulation, b. taxation, c. socialization, or d. centralization.
I wonder what would happen if the plant operator shut the power off during their protest?
I would like to be there with a “CO2 is a free fertilizer, We need more of it” sign.
Excerpt: NASA’s chief climate scientist is in hot water with colleagues and at least one lawmaker after calling on citizens to engage in civil disobedience at what is being billed as the largest public protest of global warming ever in the United States. In a video on capitolclimateaction.org, Dr. James Hansen is seen urging Americans to “take a stand on global warming” during the March 2 protest at the Capitol Power Plant in Southeast Washington, D.C. “We need to send a message to Congress and the president that we want them to take the actions that are needed to preserve climate for young people and future generations and all life on the planet,” says Hansen, who has likened coal-fired power plants to “factories of death” and claims he was muzzled by the Bush administration when he warned of drastic climate changes. […] But critics say Hansen’s latest call to action blurs the line between astronomer and activist and may violate the Hatch Act, which prohibits federal employees from participating in partisan political activity. “Oh my goodness,” one of Hansen’s former supervisors, Dr. John Theon, told FOXNews.com when informed of the video. “I’m not surprised … The fact that Jim Hansen has gone off the deep end here is sad because he’s a good fellow.” “Why he has not been fired I do not understand,” Theon said.
Snowing right now here in Fairfax, VA…although not sticking to the roads yet. Perhaps they can get to the protest but it will be a white background for the cameras.
OT: Science News for 28Feb09 has a lengthy piece on the threat of ‘global warming’ to the islands of The Maldives in the Pacific. While admitting that estimates of sea-level rise are many and varied, like so many articles on the presumed consequences of AGW, this one assumes the self-evident truth of AGW, and is unafraid to confuse ‘weather’ with ‘climate’:
“. . . experts believe that greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere may already be making a worldwide environmental impact, contributing to more severe storms, drought, fire and ocean warming.”
and is unabashedly alarmist:
“R.K. Pachauri, who chairs the Nobel Prize–winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, warned in December at a United Nations climate conference in Poznan, Poland, that inaction would allow continuing and unabated rises in air and ocean temperatures that could lead to an ‘abrupt and irreversible change’ in the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets — and, as a result, a possible sea level rise of several meters.”
The author, “Cristine Russell is a freelance science writer and senior fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, Harvard Kennedy School.” She concludes,
“Growing greenhouse gas emissions may threaten the future of these irreplaceable environmental treasures, as well as that of other tropical atolls. Their fates hang on whether the international community has the political will to push through tough climate controls and, if so, whether these actions will be sufficient to save vulnerable low-lying islands and coastal areas from encroaching ocean waters.”
thus turning an ostensibly ‘objective’ piece into a piece of political propaganda.
Here’s the link: http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/40789/title/First_wave
Did I read somewhere that the problem is not that the sea is rising, but that these islands are sinking? In any event, the article is a good illustration of how even the ‘science press’ have fallen hook, line, and sinker for the AGW litany, never questioning the underlying hypotheses.
Might be good for a full post by Anthony. Perhaps some of the bona fide scientists here might see fit to let Science News know how far they have strayed from objectivity.
Apologies for the interruption. Now back to your regularly-scheduled discussion. Remember, an ‘extreme weather event’ like a blizzard in Washington D.C. on March 2nd is only ‘weather’, not ‘climate’.
/Mr Lynn
All islands erode, but in this case you’re referring to the Maldives. When someone went there and examined the islands, they found that sea level actually declined there several decades ago.
I don’t think James Hansen is going to be there in person. I think there is going to be live video of him, and also Susan Sarandon.
JimBob (18:41:13) :
“… and at least one lawmaker…”
Who is the politician? Did the report say?
Paddy, a challenge to AGW on the grounds that it is a religion would be interesting. Although, I have no idea what constitutes a religion for the purposes of the US constitution.
BTW, there is a long history of dubious or even fraudulent science being used to support religious and political ideologies (often there isn’t much of a difference). Scientology, Lysenkoism and Stalin, and Eugenics and Hitler come to mind as examples.
Nick (15:05:17): “Is it just me? Over the past few years I have read many, many, blog comments and I have noticed that alarmists seem to share a common feature, that being no sense of humor whatsoever. They really are a dour lot.”
I suggest we give the AGW-alarmists a break. After all, when in the middle of a fire and brimstone sermon about the coming end of the world and the wickedness of mankind, it’s hard to see the humor when one of the very people you are trying to save expresses doubt, or worse, laughs.
The Capitol Climate Action site promises live blogging tomorrow. This could be fun!
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/
Praise’d be the sky god!!!
I agree that humor, with truth, and a very light hint of ridicule, is a potent weapon against pompous bullies. It’s pretty difficult to preach and coerce when your audience is laughing at you.
More and more people are starting to realize that the emperor is as naked as a jaybird. When the laughter begins, the end of the deception will be at hand.
Alan Caruba, known for short and to the point comments, also writes about the demonstration.
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/03/green-civil-disobedience-in-dc.html
In a response to one of his readers Alan states:
Alan Caruba said…
“The irony, as I write this late Sunday evening, is that the event might have to be called off due to the BLIZZARD about to hit D.C”.
“The tragedy is that these people don’t care that what they say and do makes any sense at all. They’re crazy and want everyone else to be crazy too”.
I like this guy.
“…They’re crazy and want everyone else to be crazy too.”
The great Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius’ dictum bears repeating:
@crosspatch (14:30:23) :
OK, that’s one set of “mutually contradictory things,” now we just need six more, and… oh, wait, that’s what THEY believe, not what WE do. Oh, well, I guess thingsbreak (14:10:25) is probably indulging in a little “psychological projection.”
And that protest poster Hansen’s using? That’s similar to those of revolutionary Russia,
http://hoohila.stanford.edu/books/img/poster_book.jpg
…as well as those of the 60’s, man.
http://i4.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/2e/5c/619b_1.JPG
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/pfcoverbig.jpg
I wonder if he had a little help from community disorganiser William Ayers on this?
manacker (15:44:12) :
great post.
thank you.
I fear we are fast becoming an idiocracy.
Consider that Andrew Jackson was elected by a landslide. There is nothing new under the sun.
Elected twice.
Take a look at the list of ‘endorsers’, groups and individuals:
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/?page_id=9
This has gone WAY beyond science!
/Mr Lynn
“MIT scientists baffled by global warming theory, contradicts scientific data”
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-39973-113-text.html
“Boston (MA) – Scientists at MIT have recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels. This is the first increase in ten years, and what baffles science is that this data contradicts theories stating man is the primary source of increase for this greenhouse gas. It takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. However, since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, it is now believed this may be part of a natural cycle in mother nature – and not the direct result of man’s contributions.
Yep, the science is “settled” all right.
this, and my last, are blasts from past issues of John Ray’s “greeniew watch”
http://antigreen.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html
CALLING THE WEST’S GREEN BLUFF
“An email from Richard S. Lindzen [rlindzen@MIT.EDU], Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, MIT, Cambridge, MA 02139 USA
The developing world early realized that carbon control was a ploy to constrain their development into meaningful competitors. Now they are matching the cynicism of the developed world.
Rajendra Pachauri simultaneously helped prepare a climate report for the Government of India that argues that climate change will not be a problem for India, while, as head of the IPCC, he preaches that climate change will bring doom and disaster to the rest of the world, and urges the west to become vegetarian. Somehow, the cynicism seems remarkably clear to many – even if the Nobel Peace Prize Committee fails to notice it.”
E.M.Smith (16:28:29
Great comment especially on how pseudonyms are used
“January Warmer Than Average for U.S.
Temperatures for the contiguous United States last month were slightly above the long-term average, based on records going back to 1895, according to a preliminary analysis by scientists at NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. ”
That translates to, “DAMN, was that a freakin’ cold-ass January compared with recent years, or what?”
And now,
It’s very clear.
We’ve moved onto the next phase of evolution.
“Survival of the smartest”.
The “Gore Effect” is proof,
Mother Nature is pruning out,
The dumbest of the gene pool,
For want of common sense
And rational thinking.
The skeptics shall inherit the Earth.
Viva Darwin !
HasItBeen4YearsYet? (20:35:39) :
@crosspatch (14:30:23) :
OK, that’s one set of “mutually contradictory things,” now we just need six more, and… oh, wait, that’s what THEY believe, not what WE do. Oh, well, I guess thingsbreak (14:10:25) is probably indulging in a little “psychological projection.”
And that protest poster Hansen’s using? That’s similar to those of revolutionary Russia,
http://hoohila.stanford.edu/books/img/poster_book.jpg
…as well as those of the 60’s, man.
http://i4.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/2e/5c/619b_1.JPG
http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/pfcoverbig.jpg
“I wonder if he had a little help from community disorganiser William Ayers on this?”
Yes, he had. It came via an endorsement of his demonstration by Nancy Pelosy.
How about we demand that the Capitol Power Plant be shut down and the Capitol receive power from the Cape Cod wind farm and no other source.
@Kirk W. Hanneman (18:43:11) :
“Snowing right now here in Fairfax, VA…although not sticking to the roads yet. Perhaps they can get to the protest but it will be a white background for the cameras.”
Maybe they can get some of those plastic flowers, and stick them in the snow banks so the MSM photographers will have the illusion of an early spring?
“I can’t understand why there aren’t rings of young people blocking bulldozers and preventing them from constructing coal-fired power plants.”
– Al Gore
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/?page_id=143
AnonyMoose (19:15:39) :
Did I read somewhere that the problem is not that the sea is rising, but that these islands are sinking?
“All islands erode, but in this case you’re referring to the Maldives. When someone went there and examined the islands, they found that sea level actually declined there several decades ago”.
AnonyMoose,
You are not correct with tour statement that all islands erode.
For example, Coral Islands keep on growing.
There are also many sea islands that grow because the sea and the wind wash huge amounts of sand at the beaches.
In the “East Sea” coastlines and islands are rising at a rate of 1 cm per year in response to the melted icecaps from the latest glaciation.
Than we have volcanic islands where erosion does not get a chance because a continuous flow of lava.
In regard to the Maldives you are 100% correct.
The sea level is fairly constant due to ocean temperatures and precipitation.
The only danger to the Maldives is a Tsunami.
If the President and his population plan to evacuate the Islands we’ll have a nice opportunity to buy some nice sea resorts for little money.
“We are now treating the Earth’s atmosphere as an open sewer”
-Al Gore
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/8/16/62545/5027
Ice Cold Dave (17:32:53) :
Oh, snap! Karma strikes again!
First the warmist satellite bites it in the antarctic, then the warmist Washington DC protest gets snowed out. . .
You can’t make up stuff like this!
Now all we need is some locusts. ..
A swarm of mutated, arctic, vampire snow locusts… (very alarming indeed)
From the FAQ section of the Capitol Climate Action web site
“While many participants in the Capitol Climate Action will choose to engage in peaceful acts of civil disobedience, many people will voice their support for these issues in other ways. In general, our intent is to block off access to the Capitol Power Plant by surrounding the entrances, peacefully refuse to leave when asked, and safely disrupt its operations for the day. If by doing so we risk arrest, so be it. We will reflect the growing global movement that is not quietly asking for, but demanding, climate justice.”
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/?page_id=75#q6
60’s language :
“We will reflect the growing global movement that is not quietly asking for, but demanding, climate justice.”
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/?page_id=75#q6
“If you are a minor and you do choose to get arrested, please make sure you fill out a Minor Jail Support form …. ”
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/?page_id=75#q11
This is the same way it happened in the 60’s. If it follows the same pattern there will be more protests coming. And the police presence will also grow. If the protests continue from there then will come military presence. And if the pattern of the 60’s continues protesters will push limits in hopes of not just getting arrested but of getting shot.
I hope none of this pans out and I’m just having a moment of irrationality and not a moment of clarity.
What do we want?……………..Higher energy bills!
When do we want em?……….Now!
Please Sir….may I pay some more?
Yes ,indeed it is snowing in DC.It is snowing in Connecticutand I am submitting this comment at 1:16 AM Monday.
But even better, winds from the north-northwest at 20-25 mph with possible gust to 35 mph. That’s pretty windy and since lows are forecast at 18 degrees F, the WIND-Chill is gonna make for some pretty cold conditions. Frostbite is not a pleasant thing. Wonder if the DC hospitals are going to be prepared for some cases tomorrow.
News Reports mention that Maryland is having a colder than usual winter.
Better bundle up for safety protesters!
What will be interesting will be the spin they’ll publish after the event, no matter how badly it goes they can’t let anyone know that it wasn’t a total success.
I predict plenty of stock phrases including the following:
“success” or “big success” (even if canceled or only a few dozen show up)
“largest ever event”
“sent a message to” (multiple choice: legislators, government, industry, the people)
Steven Goddard (14:43:36) :
“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
-Albert Einstein”
My simpler version: ‘Man makes plans. God laughs.’
Let him without faith cast the first snowball. I wonder if the rally will end up in a huge snowball fight. “World’s biggest snowball fight – March 2 2009, Captiol Climate Rally, Washington DC, USA” would look good in the Guinness Book of Records.
If Hansen shows up for the protest, he should be fired from his job right there, for treason.
“I can’t understand why there aren’t rings of young people blocking bulldozers and preventing them from constructing coal-fired power plants.”
– Al Gore
Because you can’t go out and cut all the firewood you want anymore. Those young people are smarter than Gore gives them credit for: They know what keeps them from becoming Popsicles in the Winter and Baked Potatoes in the Summer. We can’t all afford a luxury mansion with millions in solar panels installed.
The young kids of today don’t have it so good, and they get what will happen if the power goes out.
A little empathy for the fertile young minds that will be gathering tomorrow if there is a major winter event.
Cognitive dissonance:
“The tension of dissonance motivates us to change either our behavior or our belief in order to avoid a distressing feeling. The more important the issue and the greater the discrepancy between behavior and belief the higher the magnitude of dissonance we will feel.” http://www.afirstlook.com/docs/cogdiss.pdf
Maybe Al will offer some counseling.
Just want truth… (22:02:33) :
The difference is that Obama is on their side, whereas Kennedy was assassinated soon after taking the reins.
As a cold and snowy WEATHER event in D.C. coincides with this funny protest, I predict that little of the endeavors by Capitol Climate Action and similar AGW believers will be publicized in the media at this time – purposely ignored because it does not conduce any fear. Come Spring or Summer when the Alarmists stage a similar event during a warm day; the headlines of the typical media sources will trumpet: “ Warm day confirms that the CLIMATE is changing and the actions of these AGW people are clearly justified..”…. or something similar…
Ummm, snow in the photos, no problem … a little Photoshopping here and there will change that snow into some hot summer, brown dry grass.
RonPE (22:21:47) :
Steven Goddard (14:43:36) :
“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
-Albert Einstein”
My simpler version: ‘Man makes plans. God laughs.’
Mans plot hatches, God dispatches.
“WHAT DO WE WANT?”
“COLDER CLIMATE”
“WHEN DO WE WANT IT?”
“NOW!!!!!”
Your wish is granted.
lol.
I understood maybe three words at your gistemp link, but I would like to thank you for all the effort and knowledge you are putting into this work. Maybe the rest of us will yet have a realistic view of what Hansen is really doing thanks to you.
-C’mon don’t you know by now it’s “simply weather”.
-Also it’s NOT snow it’s simply “soft hail”.
-Actually snow is a sign of global warming I mean climate change.
-Also it’s totally in line with what the models predicted.
Etc, etc
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/
The camera seems to be having trouble focusing, due to snowflakes passing the lens maybe? The rooftop flags are flying strongly, and it looks like the snow is settling on the roads.
Aron (17:30:00) :
Here you are
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect
Please fill it out with detail, like the list of links in this article, and defend the page from deletion or complaints.
I added the list of articles, but haven’t hyperlinked them, and deleted the deletion notice. But someone has deleted the discussion page. How do we defend it?
Is it me, or does the capitolclimateaction.org website look like something straight out of the old Soviet Union?
Is it too much to hope for mass frostbite among the protesters?
C’mon Folks,
you think Hansen, Gore et al would care if you make fun of them?
You make incredible science, debunk, evidence, data, reason….,
Think “dark middle ages” …
They set the agenda, we (reason) have to respond. Make a difference?
Nope. The die has set. God does ply dice. They are the Gods.
(No, I’m not religious, I’m atheist….)
Washington DC forecast for Monday:
precipitation 80% (snow)
temperatures -3/-11 °C
😉
That storm just rolled through western NC and I have 7″ of global warming on my deck….
Bill McClure (21:01:25) :
@E.M.Smith (16:28:29
Great comment especially on how pseudonyms are used
Thanks! I’ve just spent too much of my life being: a) in computer security. and b) Involved with the internet ( starting with a 300 baud line over an acoustic coupler with a Hazeltine Terminal! Lets just say “I’ve been around…” )
Slamdunk (17:09:30) : E.M. Smith gets a blue ribbon for “Idiocracy,” a demented (socialistic) form of government within our Republic.
Um, I was just quoting Crosspatch. Blue ribbon goes to him:
crosspatch (14:30:23) : It is fascinating. I never believed that so many people could be so gullible. Fooling all of the people isn’t required. You only need to fool enough to get elected. I fear we are fast becoming an idiocracy.
BTW, TWC reporting “Monster Storm” and snowfall heading over DC into Philadelphia. “Locally heavy snow”. But expected to clear about lunchtime. What do you want to bet that the snowplows will be followed by the street sweepers about 1-2 pm just in time for the photo op?
i love your posts E.M.Smith.
I am mercurior have been for 8 long years now.. looking at the groups who endorse that Action. call me a cynic but i beleive they are only jumping onto the band wagon. and some have an ulterior motive, some are from Wind power solutions. if they stop all coal power plants, then we will have to rely on solar. and wind and..so on.
There are also religous groups supporting it as well. Now i have problems with actors promoting such things. They are just names and if you notice a lot of them have no career, daryl hannah, mike farrell.
a little more research and you will see some of the organisations are linked. different name same organisation essentially.
CoalSwarm and the Center for Media and Democracy, for example they share the same wiki. are they individuals or seperates..
Winston Churchill was a very perceptive man, and one of his quotes is very applicable to the situation we are in with AGW and GW.
“A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.” Winston Churchill.
I think ‘The Truth’ is at last getting close having it’s pants done up 🙂
Mike Bryant (20:08:46) : I agree that humor, with truth, and a very light hint of ridicule, is a potent weapon against pompous bullies. It’s pretty difficult to preach and coerce when your audience is laughing at you.
More and more people are starting to realize that the emperor is as naked as a jaybird. When the laughter begins, the end of the deception will be at hand.
Oh, so true! I’ve taken to making sarcastic remarks per AGW to random folks on cold days to gauge the general public response to AGW. For example, today, going to the grocery store (cold, blustery, sporadic rain). Muttered to an old guy as we both headed for the doorway “Any more global warming like this and I’m going to be frozen and drowned”. He just smiled.
I have yet to have a single person respond in support of AGW…
I recommend the exercise. You ought to be pleasantly surprised at the degree of skepticism that is hiding under the public veneer.
I’ve also used “If this kind of Global Warming keeps up, I’m going to need a better coat!” and “I don’t think I can take any more global warming like this – maybe I need to move somewhere warmer…” and “If this is Global Warming, then I don’t want to see what cooling is like!” You get the idea…
Love the Soviet Realist style of the poster.
Who says that the AGW crowd doesn’t have a sense of political irony?
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/
It is now snowing, 6:39 am local , windy too.
Well after watching the live cam of Washington D.C I think that if I was protester with plans of going there I would have my bowl of lentils and hop back under my crochet blanket. I can’t see the big white building for all the global warming flakes..
The idea of disrupting power production during cold temperatures seems extremely dangerous to me.
Here in the UK, we hear plenty of horror stories about the elderly freezing to death because they can’t afford the cost of electricity, let alone because of the supply of it, and we have generally mild weather!
I’m sure there are plenty of contingencies in place and supply won’t be effected,even if their blockade is successful, but the sheer callousness and perverseness of this action is pretty shocking.
It seems they have a moral choice to make, abandon at least the civil disobedience part, and admit energy supply is more important than their “moral” crusade, or give yet more proof that there is nothing moral about their crusade in the first place.
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/
I am confused. They are encouraging live blogging from the protest and yet they have disabled all comments???
I guess they do not want people blogging, “We are having a great time at the protest, but it is FREEEZING here. I never knew global warming would be so cold!!!”
I was looking at the live weather cam feed earlier, The snow had stopped and It looked like a crisp, fresh fall of thin snow on the ground. But now I cannot see too much for the heavy snow falling.
These guys really do NOT have a sense of humor do they?
I wonder how many global warming protesters will be hospitalised with frostbite?
Ross (00:34:21) :
E.M.Smith (15:01:56) :
You just gotta love it!
BTW, I’ve put up my top level tour of the STEP0 process in GIStemp
I understood maybe three words at your gistemp link, but I would like to thank you for all the effort and knowledge you are putting into this work. Maybe the rest of us will yet have a realistic view of what Hansen is really doing thanks to you.
Thank you for the kind words. I have a couple of different ‘styles’. The one you see here most is the ‘low jargon explainer’. But there are times that ‘full on tech’ is needed; mostly of talking to other techs and programmers.
The GIStemp series of articles is directed at the other computer programmers of the world (or code-hacker wannabees) who just can’t work up the effort it takes to slog through GIStemp cold. It’s a helping hand. A packed trail they can slide their skis down with less effort.
It also puts pointers in for where I smell something funny, so other folks with programming skill can put focus on that bit, without the need to dig through a few dozen pages to discover it.
And frankly, I’m hoping someone else will hop on it too. The process is a bit draining all by myself. Especially when I hit the next bit. It is written in a language called “Python” that I can sort of figure out, maybe, I think.
At any rate, I’ll be adding other non-tech style pages, so there are things that are not so hard to slog through. For example:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/so_many_thermometers_so_little_time/
basically is a map of the age distribution of thermometers with a comment about how it looks hard to me to get realistic trends longer than about 70 years out of that map. (A great topic for an Anthony article. HINT HINT! ) Also the huge density in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world ‘puts the lie’ to Hansens claim that manipulations of the US data are not going to influence the global average much.
And in:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/china-where-coal-turns-to-money/
I compare two graphs. One of Chinese income growth, the other a map of who produces how much coal. It’s not a coincidence.
There will be others like this. Short. Pithy. Non-technobabble 😉
mercurior (03:20:44) :
i love your posts E.M.Smith.
Thank you!
I am mercurior have been for 8 long years now.. looking at the groups who endorse that Action. call me a cynic but i beleive they are only jumping onto the band wagon.
There is always a large ‘band wagon’ effect. Works great up until the first time the music stops… Band wagons don’t play well in the snow 8-}
[…] They are just names and if you notice a lot of them have no career, daryl hannah, mike farrell.
I don’t know if unemployed actors do this to get in the papers, or if being an over the top advocate kills careers (due to public rejection) but there is some kind of correlation.
a little more research and you will see some of the organisations are linked. different name same organisation essentially. CoalSwarm and the Center for Media and Democracy, for example they share the same wiki. are they individuals or seperates..
Yeah, I’ve noticed that the Loony Left does a great job of marketing. Lots of names, lots of big sounding organization. Lots of glitz and star darlings. But actual turnout is usually low. Over representation of liberal arts types, I think.
The Radical Right doesn’t do that nearly so well; yet when Something Needs Doing a large groundswell just happens. More farmers, cooks, builders, cops, shovel jockeys, drivers… ‘doers’ of all sorts (military guys and gals especially – none of use could sleep at night but for them…).
As my Texas Uncle would say “Them Lefties, they are all hat and no cattle”. Not a guy to cross (was a guard/staff at a prison for most of his career…) but if you ever need anything, he’s there with it before you realized you needed it and nothing needs to be said. “No sense sayin’ when you need to be doin’ ” and “You gonna flap your lips all day or we gonna get this done?”
Me being from the Left Coast he has his ‘concerns’ about me 8-0 but we get along rather well. (I just don’t discuss my opinions on Certain Things…) It’s hell being from the middle of the bird… both sides want to toss rocks at you 😉
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-kessler/martin-sheen-paul-hawken_b_170014.html
Quote from link above: “It is no small thing to stand up when so many others are still sitting down–especially when it may mean personally risking arrest. More than 2500 people will take this stand on March 2. Will you stand with them?”
Will Hansen stand with them in the snow?
2500? Wasn’t this supposed to be “the largest mass civil disobedience for the climate in U.S. history.”?
This is how Obama politics look like.
If he continues this policy, we will have a REVOLUTION in no time.
From the article regarding the Washington DC protests:
“This movement is supported by the President of the United States himself.
The first two speakers at the opening rally of Power Shift ’09 on Friday night were senior administration members, Obama appointees. They sounded very similar to the young activists they were addressing”.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/obama_crowd_power.html
The media will no doubt portray this ridiculous “protest” as a huge success. So someone should take a few pictures of this globaloney rally, to show the truth. I doubt that there will be anywhere near 2,500 idiots freezing their butts off on a work day. Stalinist style posters can’t compete with the reality of frigid temperatures cooling down a global warming protest.
Re: maksimovich (15:21:39) :
Steven Goddard (14:43:36) :
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
-Albert Einstein
The folly of Interpreters has been, to foretell times and things by this Prophecy, as if God designed to make them Prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the Prophecy also into contempt.
If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants.
Isaac Newton
Scientists do not change. Was not this Newton quote a way by which he was saying that his work was based on galileo etc and had nothing to do with arch rival Robert Hooke who was of a very short stature!
tallbloke (01:12:07) :
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect”
Any chance of adding the webcam link to the wikki entry for one day only? As of 07:30 am, Washington is clearly demonstrating the ‘Gore Effect’!
“http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/”
Anthony,
The previous posting is very worrying.
It will not take long before every Government policy will be forced upon the people via pressure and blackmail of Obama’s (Green) Movement.
I think this is unacceptable.
I wonder why we even took the trouble to win the cold war?
This kind of actions will divide the American People in the streets of our cities.
It will also create a divide between generations, students and workers.
We have seen this before in history and in most cases it ended with monuments to rember the events and honor the dead.
It’s about 7:30 just outside of DC.
I’ve got at least 6-7 inches on my patio, the traffic cams are showing snow on all the major arteries, and the schools are closed. They’re expecting the snow to continue to about 10 o’clock.
Ironically, we’ve barely had an inch of snow all winter till now.
Just south of Fredericksburg, VA: ~7.5 inches of snow, 23 F, & still snowing.
However, I am sure this datum will be “Hansenized” using the “Al-gore-thm” to make this the warmest & driest March 2nd on record… 😉
http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/mother-nature-will-not-be-mocked/
This is comedy gold!!!
Yes at 8:00am across the river from DC, we are still getting snow. I don’t think a protest will have an effect on anything today, mother nature beat them to it. Go to wtop.com and check out the traffic cams arond downtown DC.
DC is indeed snowed out right now!
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/
And I’ve updated the Gore Effext Wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect
The snowstorm that saved America a trillion bucks??
Seems that they are going ahead with this. Should be interesting.
“Of course it’s still on! We expect 2,500 dedicated activists to stand tall at the Capitol Power Plant and demonstrate that the course of history bends toward progress.”
I think that progress is the opposite of what they want to achieve.
From the Twilight Zone, England is developing strategies to deal with the increasing heat:
Government ‘to recommend siestas’ to combat heatwaves
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/4902653/Government-to-recommend-siestas-to-combat-heatwaves.html
Meanwhile in the real world sunspots remain a no-show and the Livingston and Penn Phenomena remains on track for total sunspot succession by 2015. The only way that the insanity in Washington DC is going to end quickly enough to save the Republic, is if we start seeing the winters we had in the good old days.
Mike
After the protest, the protesters (including Dr. Hansen) will retreat to the fossil fuel generated warmth of their car, Latte bar, hotel or emergency room for frostbite.
I wonder how Dr. Hansen’s ivory tower is heated?
Ron de Haan (04:26:24) :
The look and feel of 1905
http://www.capitolclimateaction.com/
That is how communists and anarchists operate, by creating divisions where none exist, and by widening and exploiting those that do. They never build anything lasting. Their only claim to fame is the devastation they leave in their wake, always in the name of “progress.”
MattN (04:59:25) :
“This is comedy gold!!!”
No…This is comedy platinum!!!
“Oh, the weather outside is frightful
But the protest’s so delightful
Since Hansen really doesn’t like the coal
Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow”
On a slightly related note, the UK’s Met Office has now decided that we’re in for a bit of a chilly Spring.
“For the UK and western Europe spring this year is likely to be cooler than last year, with mean temperatures either near or below average.”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/creating/monthsahead/seasonal/2009/spring.html
Now, working on their previous predictions for last Summer & Winter, I’d expect a big freeze will be on its way!
I look forwards to the news coverage of the “Warmists” under a good, insulating layer of snow.
I’m an agnostic, but such deliciously ironic timing is almost enough to make me question my own lack of interest in the divine ….
With potential images of a ragtag band of ‘activists’ huddled against freezing winds in a snowy wasteland ….. could this be the turning point when everyone starts to realise actually who it is that still believes the earth is flat ……
I live in Herndon/Reston which is about 35 miles west of DC. At 0929 the snow is just now letting up and the weather radar shows the tail end of the storm is about to pass through Fairfax county. We were supposed to get only about three inches according to the NWS but the storm tracked a bit more to the west so I have about 8 inches.
Downtown DC is practically paralyzed since they have even more snow. The Metro rail system is having problems with snow on the tracks forcing plowing which leads to single-tracking. All of the schools are closed in the surrounding area and it is 28 F with the wind picking up. Tonight is expected to be the lowest temperature ever recorded for this date. Around 15F. Don’t you just love it.
Now I am off to do some snow blowing so I can get to work myself.
Cheers,
John
RoyfOMR (04:40:56) :
tallbloke (01:12:07) :
“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gore_Effect”
Any chance of adding the webcam link to the wikki entry for one day only? As of 07:30 am, Washington is clearly demonstrating the ‘Gore Effect’!
“http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/”
Anyone can edit a wiki page, you don’t even need to sign up for an account. Go for it.
I’ve added the links for the oline articles. We need someone who knows the system to help us defend it.
William Connolly need not apply.
Hey, I’m just wondering if Prison Planet has permission to reprint your entire article (http://www.prisonplanet.com/hansen%E2%80%99s-coal-and-global-warming-protest-may-get-snowed-out.html)
REPLY: Yes.
It’s 9:37 am here in Manassas, VA. (about 30 miles SW of DC). The snow has slowed down quite a bit, but the wind is really kicking up. The snow is light and dry so there will be some drifting. It’s really a miserable day to be outside. These people are really going to look silly all frosted up. They better have a few warming huts with plenty of hot cocoa or coffee!!!
About an inch of snow this weekend in Huntsville, AL. 3-4 inches further south in AL.
To paraphrase Kryten, “Who would hold a global warming riot in a snowstorm? Only a yogurt!”
A US President seems to be using civil disobedience to overcome the constraints placed upon him by the separation of powers embodied in the US Constitution.
Not a good sign for the future, I fear.
It is pitiful to watch, the once leading nation of the world, infected by such a noxious psychic disease, which resembles that of the Nazi rise in Germany. Hope you can stop this madness before is too late.
Quote from: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8947
“This protest is part of an effort to systematically destroy America by denying it the electricity in needs to exist. Meanwhile, Congress refuses to allow any exploration and drilling for America’s oil and is putting off limits millions of acres of land that potentially is home to vast amounts of coal and oil that will continue to be denied to Americans.
You don’t have to be paranoid or a conspiracy freak to believe that the enemy is inside the gates.”
Again: Pitiful!
Pertinent questions:
Who is funding this demonstration? Soros? Gore with his cap and trade bounty to come?
It smells of government organization, since it is pushing Obama’s program.
Or are they maybe afraid Obama will put the climate on the back burner because of the economy problems and want to give an extra push? 2500 demonstrators are a gnat on an elephant’s ear.
According to Hansen… 2008 was the COLDEST YEAR OF THE MILLENIUM!!!
http://www.physorg.com/news154621784.html
“BarryW (04:42:05) : just outside of DC… got at least 6-7 inches… snow on all the major arteries… schools are closed… we’ve barely had an inch of snow all winter till now.”
Is this God’s way of laughing?
I love this quote originally posted by Steve Goddard yesterday :
“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”
-Albert Einstein
10:15 Washington DC on this webcam:
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/dc/metrosquare/
Looks like snow to me.
Up to a foot of snow piled up in places like Jackson, Tenn., which saw 12.5 inches — the heaviest one-day snowfall there ever.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6987638&page=1
Speaking of comedy, check out the 2nd of 2 videos from the Heartland Institute, meant to promote the upcoming International Conference on Climate Change, which is being held on March 8-10 in New York City.
Warning, do not try drinking anything while viewing 2nd video. Cleaning a monitor off is bad enough, but damn, keyboards are hard to clean!
Hanson is just the “bell boy”, it’s the President:
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/ObamaOutOfTouch.htm
I wonder how long it takes before the American People find out they’ve elected the worst President in the History of the USA.
Wake up people because this Presidents is going to cover up his tracks by “events” and he is moving fast.
Regional map with snow totals from this storm at: (from NOAA)
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/lwx/events/?event=20090302
Quote from their website article, “We expect 2,500 dedicated activists to stand tall at the Capitol Power Plant”
2,500? Is that all? I could probably get twice as many ‘9/11 truthers’ there inside a couple of weeks. Millions marched against the Iraq war and were utterly ignored and we are supposed to take 2,500 protesters seriously?
So it is not only a deliciously ironic protest against global warming, in the snow… but is it is a pathetically poorly supported one at that!
Smokey (04:32:25) :
“The media will no doubt portray this ridiculous “protest” as a huge success. So someone should take a few pictures of this globaloney rally, to show the truth. I doubt that there will be anywhere near 2,500 idiots freezing their butts off on a work day. Stalinist style posters can’t compete with the reality of frigid temperatures cooling down a global warming protest.”
No Smokey,
Read my post above.
They have selected 12000 people who will be trained to organize protests all over the USA (and outside the USA).
Obama himself is behind the whole deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/obama_crowd_power.html
I’m in Atlanta for the past weekend to attend US Mensa’s Annual Colloquium. This year the subject was climate change, and Jim Hansen was the keynote speaker Saturday night. See http://colloq09.us.mensa.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Program7 for all the other speakers – all AGW supporters. I attended mainly out of a sense of duty – I didn’t want Hansen to recruit into his fold a bunch of bright but not all that well informed folks.
His talk was much lower key than I expected. I think he was exhausted, having arrived only half an hour or so before the dinner started, but he never mentioned death trains. I was going to ask if GISS would ever change their data backfilling code to not change decades old reports, but he never got into that arena. There were only one or two other skeptics there, so I figured instead of standing out like a sore thumb and sore loser, I’d let my web pages do the talking, I had several copies to pass out.
Hansen was supposed to speak at the panel discuss Sunday morning, but left early to catch a flight, I assume to Washington, not NYC. There’s a good chance he made it, as the rain changed to snow around 1130 while I was on the train to ATL.
The flight I was booked had been canceled already, the flight I moved to got canceled. There were no other ways to get to NH that day, so I settled for Boston, and that flight got canceled, so I’m at the Westin Airport hotel paying $13 for internet access for the next 24 hours, but it turns out I have to change hotels tonight (there were no available seats for today, but I figured that was no loss.
It’s amazing what 1″ of snow does here – TLS biggest problem is there’s no way they can keep up with the deicing demand.
I’ll have more to say about the colloquium, but have no idea when I’ll have time for it. When I get home, (I think I’ll have to get a bus from BOS to Manchester, and a cab to Lot C at MHT, and then have a foot of snow on the car to deal with), I’m going to have more snow to deal with, work that has piled up, a bill due on Mar 5, etc. Sigh.
At least Heidi Cullen made it home, she lives here.
I thought the GFS models were claiming more cold than the NWS forecast was claiming.
REPLY: Hang in there Ric. Consider this maxim “Snow makes people stupid”. Watch the antics of people in 1″ of snow in ATL and you’ll understand. – Anthony
anna v (07:01:16) :
“Pertinent questions:
Who is funding this demonstration? Soros? Gore with his cap and trade bounty to come?
It smells of government organization, since it is pushing Obama’s program.
Or are they maybe afraid Obama will put the climate on the back burner because of the economy problems and want to give an extra push? 2500 demonstrators are a gnat on an elephant’s ear.”
Anna,
“A glance at the list of sponsors brings home a sense of the breadth of support there is for this movement. Greenpeace and the American Council on Renewable Energy are there, as you might expect, but there are other, less likely sponsors. This revolution comes courtesy of funding from Wal-Mart, The Ford Foundation and Roche Pharmaceuticals”.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/obama_crowd_power.html
Alarmism has consequences:
Higher energy prices will kill 150.000 people in the US
http://www.openmarket.org/2009/03/02/alarmism-has-consequences/
Global madness is here. Al Gone is frozen in his path while Hansen is freeking out and the sandal wearers have got frost-bite.
Where I live, we just got informed officially that this February was the coldest for the last 30 years by 2 degrees C (5 degrees F). The mammoths may soon be cloned from their bone DNA and let loose in the white-outs while the neanderthals, evolving from the Gorers, shall prevail.
Ron de Haan (08:02:17) :
thanks for the bbc link
It is fortunate that we have nature, or the gods, on the cooling side. Lets hope they keep it up, because it is the only thing that can stop these people in their tracks. A freezing spring, acold summer and a snowy autumn should be ordered :).
RonPE (22:21:47) :
My simpler version: ‘Man makes plans. God laughs.’
Here’s one I like:
Mike Tyson, when asked about his opponent’s plan in an upcoming fight:
Tyson responded, “Everyone has a plan … until they get hit”
Let’s not get too tickled by this. Turnabout is fair play, and the Pranksters Above might in turn provide NYC with a heatwave ten days hence, to discomfit the climate skeptics at their convention there.
..and apparently 23F in Washington DC – snicker
It would be poetic if the power plant shut down for a week. This week. Let the politicians et al get a taste of the post-coal era.
Current conditions at DCA are 23F, wind 27KTS gusting to 37 KTS from the North, and blowing snow. I wonder how many of the protesters will suffer frostbite today.
“There is a God and he has a sense of humor. ”
e.g., “Sow to the wind and reap the whirlwind”.
Things may be tolerable the next several years in America’s heartland but the misery and desolation in most of the world will cause us to avert our eyes.
I’m still waiting for Thingsbreak to enlighten us on the “7 mutually contradictory things about climate change”.
I suppose I should become a climate alarmist.
In my day job I’d stand to gain a great deal from an increased death rate amongst the elderly.
> REPLY: Hang in there Ric. Consider this maxim “Snow makes people stupid”. Watch the antics of people in 1″ of snow in ATL and you’ll understand. –
I was looking forward to that, but it took AirTran three hours to find my luggage, so I didn’t make it to the hotel until after midnight.
I did deduce that Atlantans don’t keep snow brushes in their cars. Some of the cars leaving the airport parking lot had used just windshield wipers. (Heavy snow often breaks them, bad move in general.) I generally have one brush and one ice scraper, but use a sweep broom at home for decent snowfalls. for driveway, step, and deck work I have snow blower, snow push scraper (to get what the snow blower misses), plastic scraper (for deck), coal shovel-like thing for digging out blocks of deep snow and under cars, and an ice scraper to deal with ice storms.
In northern New England, that’s considered a normal collection.
Serious questions?
http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/03/02/green-ink-is-now-the-right-time-for-cap-and-trade/
As of 11:30 am, downtown DC isn’t too bad. Most sidewalks seem to be clear and the skies are clearing. On the other hand, it is 23F with single digit wind chills.
“I wonder how long it takes before the American People find out they’ve elected the worst President in the History of the USA.”
Certainly the first affirmative action figure, the O as ‘Magic President’, will cause us to forget forever the first Iowan President.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2009/03/02/VI2009030200799.html?hpid=artslot
…funny, isn’t it?
Will DC Global Warming Protest ne the end of Hansen?
I don’t think so!
http://www.examiner.com/x-3420-Cleveland-Weather-Examiner~y2009m3d1-Will-DC-global-warming-protest-be-the-end-of-James-Hansen
An e-mail posted on the Kapitol Klimate Action blog:
I don’t want to travel to DC from Frederick in the snow today. However, I am donating my bail money to an organization that fights mountaintop removal. I hope the turnout is a good one for the day. Try to stay warm.
Katherine
Yep, DC is a ghost town today. Temperature right now is 25.56 degrees F on Pennsylvania Avenue. We are expecting a record low temperature tonight of 13 degrees above zero.
Listening to the radio this morning the previous record was set in 1925? (Don’t hold me to date, I was half listening).
Too many people is supposed to be the real problem with the world, isn’t it? Maybe we’ve discovered the real reason for the enthusiasm for biofuels — starving the world’s poor to death and thus reducing the stress on the environment from overpopulation?
Roger Knights (08:20:58) :
Roger, should a “heat wave” come to pass in NYC 10 days hence, it will merely demonstrate that warmer is better than cold any day of the week. After all, the enemy of life on this planet is ice.
Ron de Haan (07:57:05)
“Obama himself is behind the whole deal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/obama_crowd_power.html”
Obama Mugabe Chavez?
Is this really the United States of America, and not Zimbabwe or Venezuela?
Check out Stefan P’s video link above @08:46:46. [The guy says, “I don’t have to work because I work for the federal government.”]
In the 1988 testimony, somebody deliberately made the temperature in the room uncomfortably warm. The weather, however, it entirely natural. How can you compare the two?
Climate change happens. Get used to it.
Yup. It’s snowing in Washington DC on the AGW parade.
Weatherbug ABC weather cam:
http://tinyurl.com/b4berv
The power plant should have just shut down today…….save on CO2
Bill W, yes, it’s becoming like a Chavez mob rule down there. What on Earth are high government officials doing attending a mass civil disobedience rally???
on the CCA site there is a live stream.
Hansen is there in a floppy white aussie hat.
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/
312 viewers… probably 1000 people there.
Some organizer is getting some of the lemmings charged up to make the jump of the cliff…
The Guardian and the BBC are already starting to trickle in news that the “protest” (cough….sure) is a success and downplay the cold weather.
The media has left rationality behind, guys. They just pander to any damn thing that will erode our liberties:
Marxists (misunderstood apparently, should be given their 75th chance)
Terrorists (victims of course, should be put up in five star hotels when caught)
Environmental activists (they get almost none of the vote but should get all of the attention, they are called grassroot campaigns when they are anything but grassroots), etc
It seems to be that a select number of journalists are doing this so that if their socialist utopia comes around as fast as they hope it will then they will acquire positions of power or become spokesmen of the state.
Indain guest speaker just said they want to stop dirty biofuel… I am confused
Sorry, on
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/ there is a live feed
around 1000 people or so.
Yes, the media will try to portray the protest as a success, but limit the footage of the snow and bitter cold. That’s how the Soviets manipulated coverage.
The entire AGW movement and its condescending arrogance fully deserves the ridicule it is now reaping.
“Oh outside the weather is so frightful, but the fire inside is so delightful…
Let it snow! let it snow! let it snow!
bushy (05:32:27) :
“Seems that they are going ahead with this. Should be interesting.
“Of course it’s still on! We expect 2,500 dedicated activists to stand tall at the Capitol Power Plant and demonstrate that the course of history bends toward progress.”
I think that progress is the opposite of what they want to achieve”.
bushy,
Wrong,
obama and his crew invited 12.000 activists who will be trained in organizing further demonstrations.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/03/obama_crowd_power.html”
Hengav,
Stop nuclear, biofuel, coal and fossil fuels. That means being catapulted back to the stone ages.
hengav (10:19:44) :
“on the CCA site there is a live stream.
Hansen is there in a floppy white aussie hat.
http://www.capitolclimateaction.org/
312 viewers… probably 1000 people there.”
the viewers are 559 since you posted the link. wattsup has a lot of viewers :).
The protestors are useful idiots. I am concerned about them occupying and shutting down the Capitol’s power plant. That would be way over the line. I have heard that Pelosi may show up to show her support. I haven’t seen anything to confirm this.
Yay! There are protestors on our side!
Curses, Gored again.
I am looking with morbid facination. Like trainwreck T.V. Where is Dog the Bounty Hunter? I have seen Hansen twice. He is in a trenchcoat and an Aussie floppy hat. They are out in front of the plant now. They are tyring to get the lemmings to jump off the cliff… I hope everyone plays safe.
obama and his crew invited 12.000 activists who will be trained in organizing further demonstrations.
This was the purpose of Al Gore’s youth training camps.
@Bill W (09:33:38) :
Yes, Obama is, as well as many other Democrats, businessmen and the media.
Obama
http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
Media and other Dems (Cronkite, Clinton…)
http://www.usasurvival.org/ck07.20.07.shtml
Like Roosevelt’s “New Deal” (stimulus), Obama’s plans won’t work, either…
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
But then, that’s not what this is all about. Limiting energy sale and use deprives us of the freedom people need to prosper, without which they cannot remain free. Al Gore’s ‘sky is falling’ propaganda is to sell us on giving them control over our energy consumption.
http://www.infowars.net/articles/july2007/030707Fascism.htm
Their plans to limit our access to affordable energy…
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196613.php
…and their insane spending…
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196583.php
…will very rapidly impoverish us, making us dependent on, hence subservient to them.
Because the misuse of science is just a means to an end, and not a very bright and shining one at that.
“… probably 1000 people there.”
Only a thousand? But… but the BBC’s
Insufferable Man“Ethical Man” says 12,000 will be there. Ethical Man wouldn’t be fibbing, would he?CCA update:
The crowd, which has got to be at least 2000 people, is preparing to walk down to the coal plant.
I’m sure that they do believe it “has got to be” at least 2,000 people. What it looks like is several hundred very cold kids.
Also, streaming video informs us to go to http://www.presidentobamagrants.com to get free monies from the government!!!
“Support the workers, not the plant.” LOL
Put a fork in it, its done. Time of death: 3:30 (beacuse the soaps start in half an hour).
I just looked at the live video… not very impressive. One the one side of the street opposite the camera I estimated maybe 120. Not sure how many on the camera side as he doesn’t pan that way much, but let’s say the same. Puts it at maybe 240-300 max. Certainly not the several thousand their web site claims.
Nancy Pelosi’s plane was late to the demonstration according to this link:
http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=44320
Somebody may have already posted this, but if not, there you are.
from the video link there are no more than 200 people
more than 800 are viewing
Could it be “the largest mass civil disobedience for the climate in U.S. history” after all?
Looks like 50-100 cold people, next to an empty street.
no coal no gas no nuke no ?
back to the stone age.
maybe they will tie themselves to the tail of the next commet,
How cute….they’re rapping now. All 200 that is left of them.
One song goes “Show me how democracy works! This is how democracy works!”
Democracy is just 200 people on a street corner apparently.
Another rap went “No coal, no gas, no nukes”
A black dude walk past shaking his head at these rich white kids with no rhythm or beat.
AKD: I have just seen the video. As a southamerican, having heard a lot of times the same exhorts from communists (a by far smallest minority in my country, Peru, about 0.5% of the electorate) it greatly surprises me hearing them shouted on the streets of the US capital, I just can´t believe it hearing “The people united will never be defeated”, its really incredible. Do you realize where it takes?, think in Cuba, for example, where a MD income reaches as high as $10 per month.
Are you nuts?. Is the “global warming” hoax going to melt down the statue of liberty?
Sorry 2:30. The neighbors want their parking back. Hey Hey! Ho Ho! The Greenpeace Van has got to go!
A girl just took the stage to sing. In her own words “I’m going to sing you a song to warm you up.”
There are almost as many “recording” the event as attending..
This is a great learning experience for all those bored students. A day away from the university and credit for Anarchy 101, doesn’t get much better than that. I’m sure these junior protester’s services will be useful in the future. So much to protest, so little time!
I think that this demonstration is all reassuring, really. To our point of view, that is. That there are so few who think like they do, that they are dwindling in number, and that their case fails by the realities presented against it. There’s nothing more satisfying than that.
I don’t think these fools realise this coal plant was being decommissioned anyway. It only supplies some basic energy to a few blocks now.
I’m having trouble seeing any protesters in the webcam image from this morning: click
I hope someone saved some pics showing the turnout.
Old woman on stage is demanding the coal be replaced by natural gas. Immediately her fellow protestors screamed “No natural gas!!!!!”
This is getting funnier. She is now saying she went to India to get agreement on climate change, but she doesn’t appear to realise India’s best scientists compiled a report which concluded climate change is not a problem.
For a person who believes we should control our consumption of resources, Adriane Marie Brown is literally a walking hypocrite at under 5′ 4″ and weighing over 200 pounds.
Death train Hansen is about to speak in a little while.
“That’s why the Arctic is melting, that’s why Australia is on fire, that’s why every glacier in the world is receading.”
Shameless.
Oh no not another singer.
“That’s why the Arctic is melting, that’s why Australia is on fire, that’s why every glacier in the world is receading.”
Seriously, very shameless, AKD. But the guy looked like he was really dumb, probably got beats at school a lot. So we can’t blame him for saying something like that. Let’s see what Hansen says.
I don’t think the singer onstage understands that the song she is singing was written by a libertarian who was singing out against government interference.
But global warming agendas are all about interference.
Hmmm
The speaker says there is soooo much mercury in fish that they are unsafe to eat. So how come the fish are alive when their tolerance to mercury is far less than a humans is?
“A company I’m a member of the board of…”
No conflict there.
The speaker continued on to say that solar power is free for all forever.
sigh, the ignorance
Hansen got introduced by that socialist green shirted midget as the most eminent climatologist on the planet.
Oh nice, a rapper is singing a gangsta song about being shot in the hood
What happened to the dress code? I thought everybody participating in this demonstration were asked to “dress to impress”.
This is hardly Hansen’s first protest: http://www.ecd.bnl.gov/steve/jointappeal.html
“The Mission to Washington protest in 1992 declared the United States the biggest polluter on Earth.
Meanwhile, the market is down nearly another 300 today, off nearly 15% since Obama became president and even more from his inauguration bounce to 8,405 around Jan. 28. Too bad our economic numbers don’t mean as much to Pelosi, Markey and Obama as the number of protestors outside a coal plant.
@Aron (12:00:46) :
“I don’t think these fools realize this coal plant was being decommissioned anyway. It only supplies some basic energy to a few blocks now.”
Really? Hmmm, maybe that’s why they picked it? You see, when it closes, they can claim a victory. It makes for good propaganda. “Join us because we are successful in achieving our goals.” Everything about them is fake, so why shouldn’t their recruiting tools be, as well?
The usual barrage of lies now about desertification, tribes abandoning their lands, disappearing coastlines and spread of vector borne diseases.
Aron (12:04:11) :
The ‘old woman’ is a politician, Rep. Eleanor Holmes Norton, D-D.C. [the first “D” is redundant]. Apparently she didn’t get the memo: click
Somewhat OT, but others here have questioned the funding for this event. Steven “junkScience” Milloy has an article posted on Fox
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/03/01/milloy_soros_coal/
which inspired me to to do a little digging. Dr. Hansen does seem to have benefitted from the efforts of Soros money as excerpts from the Soros Foundations Network Report 2006 indicate:
Scientist Protests NASA’s Censorship Attempts
James E. Hansen, the director of the Goddard Institute for Space Studies at NASA, protested attempts to silence him after officials at NASA ordered him to refer press inquiries to the public affairs office and required the presence of a public affairs representative at any interview. The Government Accountability Project, a whistleblower protection organization and OSI grantee, came to Hansen’s defense by providing legal and media advice. The campaign on Hansen’s behalf resulted in a decision by NASA to revisit its media policy.
– pg. 123
We have fostered a network of youth media practitioners whose voices have improved the way society looks at young urban people of color, contributed new perspectives to public policy debates, and sowed the seeds for the next generation of journalists.
Pg 125
U.S. Programs
U.S. Justice Fund 17,029,000
Strategic Opportunities Fund 12,824,000
Special Chairman’s Fund 29,646,000
OSI-Washington, D.C. 2,492,000
OSI-Baltimore 4,479,000
Other U.S. Initiatives 7,622,000
Total U.S. Programs $74,092,000
note: The Strategic Opportunities Fund includes grants related to Hurricane Katrina ($1,652,841); media policy ($1,060,000); and politicization of science ($720,000). The Special Chairman’s Fund includes grants related to progressive legal infrastructure ($7,305,000); multi-issue policy infrastructure ($6,685,000); youth activism and leadership development ($3,561,000); civic engagement ($2,750,000); judicial nominations ($2,458,000); political reform ($500,000); and global warming ($455,000). Other U.S. Initiatives include: drug policy reform ($4,000,000); Youth Initiatives ($940,000); Medicine as a Profession ($500,000); After-School Program ($376,870); and other U.S. Programs. OSI-Baltimore expenditures include $1,127,330 in third party funds raised from outside donors.
Pg. 143
I can’t state that the entire $720,000 grant concerning the politicization of science went to support Dr. Hansen’s cause, but there seemed to be a pretty fair amount of effort exerted in that cause (e.g. Mark Bowen’s Censoring Science which appeared in 2008). A detailed accounting would be interesting.
For those of you who would like their very own copy of the Soros report:
http://www.soros.org/resources/articles_publications/publications/annual_20070731/a_complete.pdf
I think an examination of the 2007 and 2008 reports may also prove enlightening.
What’s frightening about this whole demonstration is that it looks a lot like the efforts of Hitler’s brown shirts to force the government to do what it really wanted to.
Man, that protest poetry is the closest to Vogon poetry that I’ve ever encountered. Scary.
If they get any worse, I fear that my large intestine will shoot up through my body and throttle my brain to save me from the unimaginable horror.
They’re hugging each other now. I hope it finishes soon, I don’t now if I can stand listening any more.
They’re now talking about how evil the Industrial Revolution was. I hope none of them took a car, plane or train to get there, that would be hypocritical.
Oh, Soros…maybe you should have a look how he likes to meddle in the affairs of the central and eastern Europe. For e.g., his is the initiative to introduce constructivist type of education. Unfortunately, he was succesful. It is now the progressive thingy ordered by our Ministry of Education to all schools.
Rephelan:”What’s frightening about this whole demonstration is that it looks a lot like the efforts of Hitler’s brown shirts to force the government to do what it really wanted to.” and remember also that in those years the german currency rate exchange was at 62 million Marks per dollar. A financial crisis…
So far thiis is a NON-NEWS event. As of 4:29PM on Monday March 2nd, this does not appear as a headline on the “Google News” webpage. One must search for it to find mention of it.
If Orwell could have seen the future:
2009 is a classic dystopian novel published in 1949, it is set in the eponymous year and focuses on a repressive, totalitarian regime. The story follows the life of one seemingly insignificant man, James Hansen, a civil servant assigned the task of falsifying records and politicizing science, thus effectively perpetuating propaganda, who grows disillusioned with his meagre existence and so begins a rebellion against the system.
Interesting links, rephelan. George Soros owns hundreds of millions of dollars of coal producers, and he also funds James Hansen [and I read in an earlier thread that George Soros funds RealClimate, too].
I suppose cognitive dissonance explains why the alarmist contingent has no problem with being bought an paid for by someone they would otherwise label a filthy polluter. But with Soros it’s all for the cause, so it’s A-OK, right?
Yes, David, the Greenpeace ladyman spokesman thing that came onstage credited James Watt with the Industrial Revolution and blamed him for starting climate change!!!
There was no climate change before James Watt!!! hahahahaha
rephelan (13:17:41) :
“What’s frightening about this whole demonstration is that it looks a lot like the efforts of Hitler’s brown shirts to force the government to do what it really wanted to”.
rephelan,
Someone has to understand what’s really going on.
O.K. So now they are finally about to leave. They have finished the hymns, then the sermon, then the parrish news about upcoming events. Next they were asked to hug their neighbor in a show of fellowship, and now they are moving onto the processional. After, they have all been invited for refreshments and a local hall.
Yep, thats building something new and fresh.
This is all poetic justice… we think we know everything but every once in a while nature throws a curve ball… I think Hansen just swung an missed… LOL
Seriously, I’m more concerned about the other tipping point… global cooling leading to another ice age. We’ve had several of them in the past 500K years and civilization as we know it for the northern hemisphere will be seriously affected.
National Review mocked this protest back in December saying it would probably snow…
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTMwZjQ1YzkyZWZmMzU3NGEzMDEzYjhkNDFiMTk0YjI=
“But we haven’t done anything that is civil disobedience yet!” This is good stuff.
There was an interesting conversation right in front of the camera when the protesters left. If I understood it correctly, some of the green helmet protesters questioned the organizers directly (more or less) as follows
“Why are we saying we have shut down the plant when we haven’t?” and
“The point of civil disobedience is to enforce the issue, and we are just leaving!?!”
That is what I thought I heard anyway.
Come to think of it, about a year ago a lot more people protested against Sciencetology, and year later they still do and in greater numbers.
I see a lot of similarities between the AGW and the teachings of Ron L. Hubbard, both peddle junkscience, are religious zealots, promoting pyramid schemes, blackmailing opponents or at least trying to discredit them by all means possible, have distorted view of reality and are being loved by Hollywood celebs.
And somehow AGW has the same problem as the Church of Ron, not enough people to protest in favour of them.
@Carsten Arnholm, Norway (14:02:45) :
SEE COMMENT BY Aron (12:00:46) — in which he says that plant is going to be shut down anyway, so it looks like they are going to take credit for it, perhaps to use as recruitment propaganda.
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New from “Junk Science” a blog about hell…
http://greenhellblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/02/rfk-jr-eternity-in-jail-for-coal-ceo/
“Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. said at today’s Capitol Climate Action rally that Massey Energy CEO Don Blankenship ‘should be in jail… for all of eternity’.”
Kennedy also said that coal companies Massey Energy, Peabody Energy and Arch Coal are ‘criminal enterprises’.”
Hmmm…. Soros expenditures for 2007 read in part:
U.S. Programs
U.S. Justice Fund 28,296,000
Strategic Opportunities Fund 11,760,000
Special Chairman’s Fund 23,522,000
OSI-Washington, D.C. 2,623,000
OSI-Baltimore 4,282,000
Other U.S. Initiatives 7,432,000
Total U.S. Programs $77,915,000
Note: The Strategic Opportunities Fund included grants related to media policy and investigative journalism ($3,450,000); politicization of science-based policymaking ($640,000); and the subprime mortgage crisis ($414,000). The Special Chairman’s Fund included grants related to judicial independence and nominations ($5,587,000); civic engagement ($4,860,000); economic and social policy ($3,975,000); progressive legal infrastructure ($2,950,000); youth activism and leadership development ($2,865,000); and global warming ($1,110,000). Other U.S. Initiatives included grants related to drug policy reform ($4,000,000) and cooperative global engagement ($1,000,000); and other programs. OSI-Baltimore expenditures include $1,795,000 in third-party funds raised from outside donors.
Soros Foundations Network
Soros Foundations 128,179,000
Network Programs 129,814,000
International Initiatives 58,277,000
U.S. Programs 77,915,000
All Other Organization, Programs, and Costs 76,411,000
Interorganization Elimination (29,718,000)
Total Soros Foundations Network Expenditures $440,878,000
Politicization of science is down somewhat, global warming is up more than 100%
The full report is available at
http://www.soros.org/resources/articles_publications/publications/annual_20080728/a_complete.pdf
Keep in mind that Soros spent close to a half billion in charitable contributions world wide in 2007 and is NOT the only source of funds for these projects. As for his taxable financial investments…. to take control of a publicly traded company you may need to own as little as 5%…. hell, with one share and a pocket full of proxies you can put in your own management team.
As I understand it, the protestors want to shut down the coal fired power plant that provides heating and cooling to Congressional buildings, the Library of Congress and the Supreme Court. Well shutting off the heat for the government morons who want to shut off our heat and electricity seems like a good idea to me. Let them have a taste of their own medicine.
If Robert Kennedy Jr. says coal company CEO’s should go to jail for all eternity, where should oil company executives go, purgetory perhaps? And what about his brother Joe Kennedy distributing low cost oil throughout New England with the help of the largess of Hugo Chavez? Is this more like a misdemeanor? Wouldn’t it be more environmentally sound to help insulate rather than just heat?
I did a CTL-F for our good buddy Joel [snip] Shore, and shockingly he has not weighed-in on this topic. But I know you’re out there, [snip] Joel.
I will reiterate my request of Joel (and of ANY AGW advocate, for that matter); exactly WHAT physical evidence WOULD convince you that Anthropogenic Global Warming based on atmospheric CO2 is an invalid theory?
For my part, I would have STARTED to be concerned that AGW was a valid theory IF (a) there had been a concerted effort by AGW folks to clean-up temperature data sources over the last 10 years, AND (b) temperatures from those sources had actually gone UP in that time frame AND (c) AGW folks had had the courage of their convictions to actually mounted a serious proactive campaign to “fix” atmospheric carbon [by, say, actually PLANTING TREES; heck, there’s already a pre-existing “holiday” for it called Arbor Day. Still baffles me why AGW hasn’t adopted that old orphan]. That’s what would have convinced me that AGW might be a serious issue.
My grandfather was president of the Mass Forestry Association, the “father of town forests” and on Teddy Roosevelt’s committe that created Yellowstone. I would have gladly lend a hand with a little “reforestation” in his honor.
But I am still waiting for a response from ANY AGW [snip] on what would constitute “disproof” of the AGW theory. It’s as if they can’t even CONTEMPLATE the notion that the theory might be incorrect, much as [snip] have no room in their minds for doubt of any kind.
Meanwhile, down here it’s March, but up in the sky, still no spots.
Is it just me, or, as we would say in Texas, is The Almighty fixin’ to go all Old Testament on our ass?
Reply: Please don’t make me do all that work again because the delete button is also a lot less work. ~ charles the moderator
Idle musings … Gosh … I looked at the pictures posted on the CCA site and also read this on their site, “More amazing images from the largest mass civil disobedience for the climate in U.S. history where thousands of activists shut down the Capitol Power Plant.”
There were a few dozen protesters in some pictures. Even if there were 10X as many off camera, it sure as heck did not look like “thousands of activists.” ( A few hundred ill-informed eco-weenies I could buy. ☺)
The eco spin that will come out of this will be incredible in the old sense of the word, “not credible; hard to believe; unbelievable”
Thanks for the reference to JFK Jr. He comes to Canada every couple of years with some Hollywood types to raise awareness of his self importance and tell us how we should manage our environment.
Just saw a brief interview on fox about it, the green peace spokesmen was adamant that this year was warmer than any other…. the presenter did say his sources said the states was over 1F colder, but the green peace dude was not to be swayed, and was sure he was just picking a convenient data set… so there yah have it all you lot freezing in the NH, its actually warmer 🙂
There you go—– http://www.brillianttv.co.uk/timmymallett/sound/mallett2.mp3
Robert van der Veeke (14:06:25) :
Come to think of it, about a year ago a lot more people protested against Sciencetology, and year later they still do and in greater numbers.
Did you catch the part when the emcee introduced James Hansen and then apologized, explaining that he didn’t know why, but whenever he introduces James Hansen something makes him want to call Hansen a Scientologist, when really he is a climatoligist.
I sure hope someone has a copy of the video.
If you listen to these guys, the way they say a company CEO should be thrown in prison for providing energy, it is really terrible. It is like when the Leninists were killing entrepreneurs or even nowadays when Russian businessmen are killed so that a rival can move into his market. A Power Shift in other words by use of force.
Found this report about the civil cog-disidence at the BBC. Had to dig to find it thou!
Bear also in mind the conflicting interests of the socialist ex-Mayor of London Ken Livingstone.
He instituted the Congestion Charge on Central London to force drivers to pay to enter their own city by car. The charge was implemented to “lower traffic, clean up the air, lower carbon emissions, and get Londoners to use public transport”. There was a promise that the money raised by the Congestion Charge was going to improve public transport.
Did it? No. Did it lower traffic congestion? No.
But Ken Livingstone did invite Hugo Chavez to a Socialist Conference to herald the comin of worldwide socialism.
Livingstone then attempted to enter a little business arrangement with Chavez. Red Ken promised Londoners that cheap oil from Venezuela would keep gas prices down, but at what cost?
Livingstone was in the process of hiking the Congestion Charge from £10 a day to at least £25 a day, but lost the Mayor’s Election to Boris Johnson (a global warming skeptic who claimed it is a daft religion but has since embraced some green language) before he could increase the cost of living and working in London.
The money Livingstone was going to raise from taxing Londoners was going to fuel the spread of socialist dictatorships in South America.
Currently Red Ken is talking up a bid to run as mayor again. A socialist’s thirst for power never fades away.
SHUT IT DOWN, ..WE….MUST…….GO…………GREEN…………
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/04/can-green-fuels-replace-oil-short.html
…uh, well, …maybe later then, ok, ….much later.
hareynolds (14:52:09) :
Thanks. since it’s PDF I don’t have to worry about it dissappearing some time.
hengav (13:51:12) :
http://www.eskimo.com/~rarnold/global_warming_religion.htm
Kennedy also went on a quick rant about how evil coal was, and all the “destruction” it causes. Alluding to how entire mountains are leveled and as much explosive energy is released mining coal as a hiroshima bomb every week (as I recall). He went on to say that coal mining needs to be shut down.
I’m sure all the union coal miners that voted for President Obama on the basis of his support of unions and his comments on clean coal are beginning to wonder what they voted into office. I am sure that rant will play well in the coal field country.
Larry
hareynolds (14:52:09) :
…. Reply: Please don’t make me do all that work again because the delete button is also a lot less work. ~ charles the moderator ….
OK, I agree, those people are a bunch of {snip, snip, snip, snips!} but Charles the moderator is right. Political discussion does have a place in some of these threads, but ad hominems, appeals to authority and snarkiness over misspellings and splint infinitives do not. Cite your sources, do not propagate orphaned statistics and maybe rationality will prevail.
Anthony,
What’s with the media player over <– ? Lol!
Well, I’m no scientist. But I live in the Washington region and am looking at all this snow first-hand. Cleaned a bunch of it off my car. Was thinking about baking bread on a cold day like this.
Then I learned that the yeast releases CO2. What a bummer.
From reading the comments it looks like most of the people there were college age. They probably felt like they are doing something good in the world by being there. And I understand that. I wouldn’t want to even give them a condemning look. I don’t think they are the type to force the issue and shut down the power plant. They probably had most innocent intentions. They’re just kids, probably good kids!
I was looking at things leading up to this and it had the feel of what I saw in the 60’s. This turned out to be nothing like it.
But I also think there were a few extremist types there, a small number. They are the ones who are trouble.
Oh dear. Where are the helecopter shots and the breathless intrepid reporters braving the jostling crowds with voices raised to be heard over the powerful throb of the restless masses whilst billowing clouds of steaming perspiration rise from the massive angry throng?
Oh dear (very expensive)
I saw a comment from Anthony some days ago saying he feels the energy spent exchanging comments with trolls would better be used writing to a congressman. True. I also saw him talking about the Steig paper in Nature that “Barring their acceptance of publishing a rebuttal, perhaps we should consider a full page ad in Nature. I think we could garner enough financial support from readers to make that happen. – Anthony”. Also a good idea. I think many, if not all, of us here want to inform the public about the real science of AGW.
But I have an idea that I have been mulling over for some time : I think that commenters at WUWT, in a joint venture with commenters ClimateAudit, (if they wanted to) and any other blog (if they wanted to) could purchase a 90 minute block in prime time of one of the big four t.v. channels and air “The Great Global Warming Swindle” in its entirety.
It might be an exciting project for all of us to work toward!
Note to MikeE
Yeah. The Greenpeace spokesman was lying about this year being warmer than any other. All 4 temperature records show that there were 8 to 9 warmer years than 2008.
All records also show that it has been cooling at an average rate of 0.1C per decade since 2001, even though IPCC predicted it should be warming at twice that rate and human CO2 emissions are at an all-time high.
Max
To Charles of Moderation
I am confused by at least SOME fo your snippage.
The first snip connected Mr. Joel Shore obliquely to a Hollywood persona (note that I didn’t say “actor”) of the same surname name. If you’ve see any of his movies, you would agree that that comment DESERVED a [snip]. Mea Culpa.
HOWEVER, the next-to-last of the [snip]s referred to “AGW acolytes”.
I REALLY can’t see anything wrong with that one
ac·o·lyte (k-lt)
n.
1. One who assists the celebrant in the performance of liturgical rites.
2. A devoted follower or attendant.
Continuing in the same vein, the last [snip] referred to “The Faithful (regardless of sect)”.
What exactly ARE the ground rules, please?
Apparently I may refer to AGW as a quasi-religion (as others have repeated done), but NOT refer to the practitioners as “acolytes” or compare them to The Fatihful (regardless of sect)?
If as I suspect the Hollywood reference put you off your feed and unleased your inner snipper, that’s understandable (especially if you paid good money for one of them movies). But I really don’t want to offend anyone, just annoy.
So to paraphrase the Warren Court, what ARE the community standards?
Reply: Your analysis is mostly correct. But simply put, do not use pejoratives against other posters. The actor reference may have been meant to be funny, but in the context of your other statements it was a piling on of insults. It is true, that reference to AGW as a religion in general are usually allowed, but when this concept is directed at other posters it is an attempt to cast the opponent as un-thinking believer and in this context is not allowed. We are trying to make this site a place where serious respectful discussions can take place. Despite its usual allowance, the AGW as religion meme has been beaten to death, and at some future date may not be allowed at all.
And yes, I’ve read Crichton’s essay on the subject. ~ charles the moderator.
From Jennifer Marohasy posting about the demonstration and…counter protest.
# Comment from: jennifer March 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
from Myron Ebell in Washington:
“I was out there at our counter-protest today and it was cold. There were 6 or 7 hundred anti-coal protesters and about thirty of us. We spent a couple hundred bucks, they spent a few hundred thousand, and we got a significant fraction of the media.
“I’d like to do a cost benefit comparison of them and us using carbon dioxide emissions as the unit of value.
“A highlight was the Greenpeace truck and trailer with a big solar panel on top. It was covered with snow, so they had to use their generator for the sound system.”
from http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/03/02/morano-mocks-deadly-storm/
“Last night, Sen. Jim Inhofe’s office responded to forecasts of a dangerous storm with mockery.
“A winter storm sweeping up the East Coast with rain, snow, and ice has caused 350 car crashes in New Jersey, a 15-mile-long traffic jam in North Carolina, and four deaths from car accidents in Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Long Island. Hundreds of thousands of households lost power from Georgia to Maine.
“Marc Morano, Sen. Inhofe’s environmental communications director, mocked the threat of the storm by pointing out it would take place at the same time as a protest of fossil-fueled global warming in Washington D.C.”
# Comment from: Dennis Webb March 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
Hi Jen,
Fox News reported: “Global warming activists stormed Washington Monday for what was billed as the nation’s largest act of civil disobedience to fight climate change — only to see the nation’s capital virtually shut down by a major winter storm.” … in March.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/02/shiver-global-warming-protest-frozen-massive-snowfall/
# Comment from: WJP March 3rd, 2009 at 9:59 am
“The photograph of thousands of students protesting global warming is from Capital Climate Action”
Thousands you say, verrry interesting…..
http://cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=44320
“about 500 protesters braved temperatures in the mid 20’s (F)……..”
Wow… I live just west of DC and had no idea this was going on. Not that I ever could have made it down there in the storm this morning. Thanks for spot of humor!
rephelan (15:22:57) : Political discussion does have a place in some of these threads, but ad hominems, appeals to authority and snarkiness over misspellings and splint infinitives do not.
Are infinitives splinted before being slung?
If you meant split infinitives that is something to adamantly avoid! 😉
Well March 2 certainly saw a climate disaster… but perhaps not the one the organisers had in mind 🙂
Has this storm saved America a trillion dollars or will Obama use up all his credibility sticking to the warmist tax-grab?
Ron de Haan,
Interesting articles. I enjoyed the report of only “five hundred” protesters. Since there were over 90 organizations listed as attending, that doesn’t leave very many protesting from the general public. Probably several from each organization who attended had their expenses paid by one of the dozens of interlocking Soros organizations, since that’s how Soros has always operated.
The article said flights were delayed, including Pelosi’s, and that’s why she couldn’t attend. But read between the lines:
Pelosi’s flight was canceled, eh? But later her office changed that to ‘delayed.’ And they refused to say whether she took public transportation, or her own jet [which in itself tells you the answer].
Apparently the writer is unaware that the Speaker of the House has her own private, taxpayer-paid jetliner. Since a little snow wouldn’t stop her U.S. Air Force pilots, the message is pretty clear: Pelosi was hiding out from the rally.
Same with House Select Energy Independence and Global Warming Chairman Edward Markey [D-Craven], who canceled his appearance due to the weather… but later on he changed his story, claiming it was a “scheduling conflict.” So the rally organizers were given the *ahem* cold shoulder. Obviously Markey was hiding out from them just like Pelosi. So, where was Markey? He says that’s a secret. Ice fishing, maybe?
It’s funny listening to all the spin from politicians trying to back and fill. And it’s sad, too, that the few hundred kids who showed up to shiver for Pelosi and Markey were surely somebody else’s useful tools.
“It is true, that reference to AGW as a religion in general are usually allowed, but when this concept is directed at other posters it is an attempt to cast the opponent as un-thinking believer and in this context is not allowed.”
Seems to be a fair criteria, and right. It’s going to be hard to find a fair criteria to eliminate all references to AGW as a religion though. If you wanted to do that it may be that you may have to say something like “WUWT understands the vein of thought that AGW is analogous to a religion but WUWT has chosen to not follow that line of thought in what it allows in it’s comment threads. Instead WUWT would rather have comments more closely related to data, scientific findings, and the sociology of AGW”.
But again, I think it’s going to be hard to eliminate any reference to religion since some of AGW is taken by pure faith, blind belief, like some of the teachings in a religion.
Michael Crichton compares environmentalism to religion. Maybe seeing what he has to say about it will help WUWT decide how to handle talk of religion and AGW.
YouTube title :
Michael Crichton on Environmentalism as a Religion
Reply: What part of “And yes, I’ve read Crichton’s essay on the subject.” was not clear? ~ charles the moderator.
Did you catch the part when the emcee introduced James Hansen and then apologized, explaining that he didn’t know why, but whenever he introduces James Hansen something makes him want to call Hansen a Scientologist, when really he is a climatoligist.
I did indeed hear that, but I thought it was far too good to be true and that I must have misheard.
manacker – any chance you could post the cites for your contradictions…. Thanks!
Confused…no real answers expected. Media musing.
Sort of keeping an eye on the protest today. Seems it was a dud with perhaps a few hundred actual protesters. There is almost nothing in the MSM on the event. (Certainly not on the MSM webpages thus far.)
Is that because it was a de facto flop and therefore no sensational story to report? The poor attendance goes counter to the MSM’s efforts to promote the concepts of consensus, massive concern, massive public support, urgent action needed … ad nauseum. The BIG story should have been the lack of attendees right?
Had there been (say) 20,000 protesters, would it have been on the six o’clock news? A big attendance would have meant that there was yet another sensational story to report in support of AGW. Just musing aloud.
“Reply: What part of “And yes, I’ve read Crichton’s essay on the subject.” was not clear? ~ charles the moderator.”
Your right, I did overlook that.
Suggestion : a little less on the rude edge?
Reply: My sincere apology. You are correct ~ charles the moderator.
E.M.Smith (03:27:34) :
You’re not alone with the random sarcasm. I’ve been doing it for a while…. just not with my sister-in-law or I’d be toast.
It’s alright.
There’s some usernames that I just scroll past because I know they’re trolls. But you have to read all comments. That must be annoying sometimes and can affect your attitude. That’s why I just scroll past trolls, so my attitude isn’t affected.
So I can easily forgive you.
Reply: 95% or more of my time here is spent on moderation. This is one reason I rarely comment on my own nowadays despite the fact that I often have issues with huge numbers of the posts. My moderation replies are completely separate from any comments I would make about content. In moderation I am often defending the rights of people I adamantly disagree with to comment and be treated with respect. I strive to maintain standards here, not of the level of quality of the content which is all over the map, but of the level of respect and civility. It’s a royal pain btw. ~ charles the moderator.
Charles and all moderators,
Thanks for the hard work… I know I could not do it.
Mike Bryant
Reply: I would like to continue in my series of responses to “Just want truth… ” here. The reason I take issue with the AGW as religion meme is simply that it is disrespectful to AGW proponents who may wish to engage here, especially when they are called disciples or believers. Again, I understand the origin and explanations and the widespread use of the meme, but if we are going to encourage discourse, real discourse, and not just self-congratulatory back-patting among friends, then it is incumbent upon us to learn to debate, argue, and discuss, without resorting to character assassinations. ~ charles the moderator.
There was a segment on it on Fox in the Bret Bair Report. Brit Hume covered it (he is the senior anchor by the way) and the coverage included a sense of ironic humor that they were freezing their buns off in the cold protesting global warming.
The most significant observation he made however, was that global warming was not a scientific “fact” but a “consensus” of opinion which is a lower standard, and it is the theory but not proven, and he did comment that a fair number of qualified scientists do not concur with the “consensus”.
It was not open ridicule or sniping, but it did have a humorous overtone and it was clear to me from the video that the turnout was not all that impressive.
It seems to me that Fox has been more open and even handed on coverage of global warming issues than the other MSM, and may be finding some traction on this topic as their coverage seems to have picked up recently.
Given their ratings that is significant — FNC has been the top rated cable news network for 86 consecutive months, finishing February as the third most watched basic cable network in primetime.
Larry
A commenter on HotAir remarks,
“Looks like an Angry St. Patrick’s Day protest.” (http://tinyurl.com/dften4 )”
/Mr Lynn
PS Charles the Moderator: Is it OK to refer to the Algoracle?
Reply: Anthony allows an unrestricted, all season, no limit, open hunting license on Al Gore. Just no profanity. And lest someone complain, that was meant as metaphor and in no way is to be construed as a call to violence. ~ charles the moderator.
The news channels are as frustrating as being single but craving companionship. If only I could mix and match, cut and paste, pick and choose, and create my very own pop bead animal. The head would be this, the body that, and the tail yet another thing. If I could mix the old standby channel from one of the three networks I watched as a kid (NBC, CBS, Chet, David, and Walter where are you) with some of the conservative channels (IE Fox), some of the liberal channels (IE MSNBC), and some of the metrosexual channels (IE CNN), with the strictly NPR and CSPAN bunch, I would be in companion bliss.
Brit Hume’s commentary on the ‘protest’ and on AGW today was terrific. I can’t find a transcript, but you can watch the video here:
http://www.foxnews.com/specialreport/
Scroll down to a box of video links at the bottom, and click on “Mercury Rising.”
/Mr Lynn
Charles, is there a limit on James Hansen?
Reply: No profanity. ~ charles the moderator
Charles, is insane considered profane?
Reply: I had no intention of putting everyone on edge. Please return to believing moderation is done by magic and no more questions please. ~ charles the moderator
Charles, that was an excellent reply.
Mr Lynn (19:51:27) :
Brit Hume’s commentary on the ‘protest’ and on AGW today was terrific. I can’t find a transcript, but you can watch the video here:
Not anymore. His commentary gets cut off abruptly just before the end of his first sentence.
So I take it that the plant kept burning coal and was not shut down. That several guest speakers decided to cancel due to cold, and that the phrase “thousands showed up” meant that they were also counting the number of people on the subway, cars, buses, and overhead jets that happened to be going buy. Reminds me of the population of Lostine. The people in hwy 82 traffic going through town are counted. Hey, every body helps us look like the metropolis we are.
A MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONAL OPINES ON THE METHOD IN THEIR SEEMING MADNESS
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/02/neo-marxists-modus-operandi.html
Works fine for me, their server might be getting hit pretty hard and it dropped your connection.
Larry
Doesn’t work here in either Firefox or Explorer. You probably have the video cached on your desktop.
Here is some coverage of the rally:
http://www.physorg.com/news155239985.html
Thousands rally for legislation on climate change
“An enthusiastic crowd of mostly young people marched from a park near the Capitol to the power plant several blocks away, where they planned to block entrances and were prepared to get arrested. The group chanted along the way, “We don’t want the world to boil, no coal, no oil!”
The group met about a dozen counter-demonstrators who held signs reading: “Our economy runs on coal.” The counter-demonstrators argued that coal is affordable and that renewable alternatives to coal-fired power plants won’t meet a growing demand for electricity.
The Capitol power plant hasn’t generated electricity since 1952, but it does provide steam for heating and chilled water for cooling buildings within the Capitol complex.
The protest on energy and climate comes as Washington digs out from its largest snowfall of the season. Organizers note that climate change causes more extreme weather, and they say the issue is important enough that people are willing to brave the cold.
“God has a sense of humor,” said protester Rhody Streeter, of Louisville, Ky., referring to the weather.”
@Yet Another Pundit (20:29:12)
BRIT HUME IS STILL THERE (I’ve put the direct link in)
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3755532&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/specialreport/
And it’s about as good as I guess we can expect from an industry where even balanced reporting could jeopardize the job of someone without Hume’s clout.
were you using FireFox? Sometimes videos freeze up on me in that browser.
I just loaded the newest flash player on another computer I have not used for weeks and the whole video clip ran just fine. It runs 2:37 in length.
Something local, going on you might want to make sure you are running current updates on the browser and flash.
Larry
@ April E. Coggins (15:04:42) :
I never saw that video, did the emcee really said that?
Well, Nancy Pelosi did not make it to the protest, but some other politicians did, including local Maryland Rep. Chris Van Hollen. He had this to say:
“Wasn’t it terrific to hear the president of the United States say that our energy policy is going to based on the facts and on the science and not on political ideology and science fiction?”
and
“The science has told us one thing. The time for talking about this problem is over; the time for action is now.”
Oh-oh, Chris…no political ideology here. Nothing to see. Move along.
split infinitives
Not bad grammar, actually, just a “usage” issue. (And sometimes they are unavoidable.)
I ought to go out
To protest and shout
And spread the Word far and wide.
But though I’m your friend,
I couldn’t attend
‘Cause, baby, it’s cold outside . . .
I got sss-sss-sss steam heat
I got sss-sss-sss steam heat
But I need your love to keep away the coal.
We hear all this guff about “peak oil”. But with cycle 24 out to lunch, shouldn’t we be worrying more about “peak sun”?
Those on the left are always looking for ways to spend other peoples money.
Werlcome to socialism America
Tonyb
There is actually a request to wear dress clothes.
Ahhh, I overlooked that information before. Now this is the reason for the person onstage wearing a peculiar combination of hemp crocheted hat AND a tie… However, there was not much of dress clothes around, but the more of thick parkas.
Reply to Canard
“manacker – any chance you could post the cites for your contradictions…. Thanks”
Contradiction #1:
IPCC projects global warming at a rate of 0.2C per decade in the early 21st century; so far the first 8 years of the 21st century have shown cooling at an average rate of around 0.1C per decade. Oops!
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_SPM.pdf
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.land_and_ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/annual
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/monthly_time_series/rss_monthly_msu_amsu_channel_tlt_anomalies_land_and_ocean_v03_1.txt
Contradiction #2:
IPCC states that the rate of sea level rise has increased in the latter part of the 20th century, switching from tide gauge records to satellite altimetry; the tide gauge record shows a slight decrease in sea level rise in the second half of the 20th century, as compared to the first half. Hmm…
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_SPM.pdf
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2006GL028492.shtml
Contradiction #3:
IPCC states that changes in solar irradiance since 1750 are estimated to cause a radiative forcing of only 0.12 W/m^2, equivalent to a net warming of around 0.02C; several studies by solar scientists conclude that the 20th century warming caused by the unusually high level of solar activity is around 0.35C. Ouch!
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_SPM.pdf
http://www.geo.umass.edu/faculty/bradley/lean1995.pdf
http://www.scribd.com/doc/334163/Phenomenological-solar-contribution-to-the-19002000-global-surface-warming
http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/nature02995.pdf
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/solanki2004/solanki2004.html
http://oldfraser.lexi.net/publications/books/g_warming/solar.html
http://www.wdc.rl.ac.uk/wdcc1/papers/grlcover.html.
http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap02/sunspots.html
http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr/1/c001p161.pdf
http://sait.oat.ts.astro.it/MSAIt760405/PDF/2005MmSAI..76..969G.pdf
http://www.gsajournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-static&name=i1052-5173-14-3-e4&ct=1
(I’ve got more, but that should do)
Contradiction #4:
IPCC states that the warmth of the last half century is unusual in at least the previous 1,300 years, ignoring overwhelming physical and historical evidence of a warmer global Medieval Warm Period. Huh?
http://www.int-res.com/articles/cr2003/23/c023p089.pdf
http://www.ncasi.org/publications/Detail.aspx?id=3025
(plus many historical references from all over the civilized world at the time, in addition to many reports of physical evidence disci=overed under receding glaciers)
Contradiction #5:
IPCC claims that the satellite temperature record has shown a faster rate of tropospheric warming than that at the surface, confirming the anthropogenic cause of warming; both the satellite and radiosonde record show less warming than the surface record. Oops!
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter3.pdf
(See links to satellite and surface temperature records cited in #1 above)
Contradiction #6:
IPCC models all assume a strongly positive feedback from clouds with warming, resulting in 1.3C of the total assumed 2xCO2 climate sensitivity of 3.2C; actual physical observations show a strongly negative net feedback from clouds of around the same order of magnitude; correcting the 2xCO2 climate sensitivity for this factor brings it to around 0.6 to 0.8C, rather than 3.2C. Ouch!
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/wg1/ar4-wg1-chapter8.pdf
http://blog.acton.org/uploads/Spencer_07GRL.pdf
Contradiction #7:
IPCC staes confidently that the upward distortion of the surface temperature record due to the urban heat island effect has a negligible influence of less than 0.006C per decade; many studies from all over the world show that the UHI influence is thirty to fifty times as great as claimed by IPCC. Oh, oh!
(Correction: UHI is not “thirty to fifty times as great as claimed by IPCC” but rather around five to ten times.)
http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_SPM.pdf
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/nvst.html
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_Part3_UrbanHeat.htm
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/1742-2140/2/4/S04
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003AGUFM.U51A..03T
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16189789
http://gtresearchnews.gatech.edu/newsrelease/china-climate.htm
http://ams.allenpress.com/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1175%2F2007JCLI1348.1&ct=1
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=470710
http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/co2weekly/2005-04-21/temperature.htm
http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/atm/Vol18-4/ATM18404.pdf
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/GW_Part3_UrbanHeat.htm
(There are more, but this should suffice)
Fox News is reporting that Nancy Pelosi had to cancel her appearance due to weather causing her to miss a flight… gotta love it.
Adolfo Giurfa (06:48:13) :
It is pitiful to watch, the once leading nation of the world, infected by such a noxious psychic disease, which resembles that of the Nazi rise in Germany. Hope you can stop this madness before is too late.
I would only point out that the name stood for National State Socialist… and now that we are a socialist economy it’s not surprising that their would be similarities in the socialist rhetoric.
Oddly enough, my neighbor (aeronautic engineer – masters) & spouse are planning to move to South America (somewhere near the equator, I forget where). My Mercedes mechanic ( from Germany ) is talking about selling his business and heading to Brazil with his Brazilian wife. My spouses childhood friend moved to Chile a few years back.
So I’m now thinking “Argentina, Chile, Brazil, ???” Leaning toward Chile due to the Mediterranean climate and wines… I’m OK with Spanish (it was my first second language 😉 and can sort of read Portuguese (close enough to Spanish, French, Esperanto, etc. to make good guesses) but the sounds are still hard for me to track. Then there are the French and English speaking islands and former colonies. Decisions decisions…
Folks with money and skills looking to get out of Dodge…
So Adolfo, you live down that way… You have any suggestions? (No, I don’t mean “stay home” 😉 Any ideas where all us US Expatriots (to be) would be most at ease? (My money is already invested in Brazil, so I’m not worried about the dollar any more…) Anybody down there need experienced computer programers or project managers? Professional teachers with US credentials and poor/accented Spanish? Retired guy with ‘accounts’?
I give it about another 3 months for the wheels to come of or for POTUS to moderate. I’m not holding out for moderation…
The good news is that at the present rate he will be saddled with a very republican house in 2 years. The bad news is that it will take 2 years…
E.M Smith
You know much more about investing than I ever will, but I may know some things about the Brazilian economy that you do not know (news that doesn’t make it out of the country). We may want to have that beer sooner rather than later.
Ron de Haan (08:02:17) : “The Ford Foundation and Roche Pharmaceuticals”.
Hmmm With Ford stock at $1.88 I wonder if the Ford Foundation could buy out the whole company?… Just thinkin… Profile says Ford market cap now $4.37 B and web search says Ford Foundation has an endowment of $13 B so I suppose they could… if they wanted to… Then they could run it as a charity for all the Ford retirees! By George, I think I have a solution!
jeez (02:26:15) :
E.M Smith
You know much more about investing than I ever will, but I may know some things about the Brazilian economy that you do not know (news that doesn’t make it out of the country). We may want to have that beer sooner rather than later.
Your on! You’ve got my number & email. Pick it. (Gordon B. is nice in Palo Alto…)
FWIW, I’m largely in the PBR Petrobras oils and CZZ (sugarcane, land, alcool – bought for about the price of the cash they had in the bank at the time). And some metals / miners. The “Drop it on your foot it hurts” paradigm… But facts on the ground are always valuable. My biggest concern is some socialist taking over and nationalizing things and running the money out of the country and … oh wait, wrong country 😉
A sillier statement has rarely been uttered.
I have lived in Brazil for 25 years and run a business here. Brazil is very anti-business and very anti-capitalist with a Kafkaesque bureaucracy. Brazil is the USA’s future if Obama suceeds in implementing his economic programme. The trouble is, that with the USA heading towards socialism there will be nowhere for disaffected Brazilans to escape to.
with the USA heading towards socialism
REALITY SETTING IN
“I give it about another 3 months for the wheels to come of or for POTUS to moderate. I’m not holding out for moderation… “
Even those who voted him are starting to have second thoughts…
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/196634.php
But it’s probably already too late,….
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/cnbcs-cramer-on-obama-its-amateur-hour.html
…and if my guess is correct, we ain’t seen nuthin yet!
Why would I say that? Well, because I think he isn’t making “honest mistakes.” He probably knows exactly what he’s doing,…
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
I don’t mean this to judgmental at all, but when someone can consider leaving his country, that means he has no patriotism, no love of his country or sense of a national identity. I submit that may be what got us into this mess to begin with. But then, the Leftist school, news and entertainment systems have been undermining that aspect of our world view for at least the last generation, so it should be no surprise that at the first sign of national trouble one’s first thought is of where one can go to escape it.
Oh,and I meant to add at the end, …
… rather than ‘what can I do to fix the problem, no matter what it takes’.
DAV (17:21:15) :
Ok you got me. I’d like to be able to offer a really good excuse along the lines of “splint”, “splinch” … or maybe, “I’m a touch typist whose keyboard is out of alignment” … but I’m not, it isn’t and it was the vodka. Vodka and schadenfreud are a great combination.
Robert van der Veeke (21:09:19) :
Yes, he did. You can see it here at about the 1:53:00 mark.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1205470
CO2 is good. Plants thrive at double the current amount. And as a TRACE GAS… the current amount is minuscule. Plant Killers.