videlicet:

United Kingdom Statute Legislation.

FRAUD ACT 2006 – (Chapter 35)

An Act to make provision for,
and in connection with,
criminal liability for fraud
and obtaining services dishonestly.

[8th November 2006]

…………………………………………………

Section 2 – Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he-
(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and
(b) intends, by making the representation-
(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or
(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if-
(a) it is untrue or misleading, and
(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law,
including a representation as to the state of mind of-

(a) the person making the representation, or
(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded
as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any
system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).

Section 5 – “Gain” and “loss”
(1) The references to gain and loss in sections 2 to 4
are to be read in accordance with this section.

(2) “Gain” and “loss”-
(a) extend only to gain or loss in money or other property;
(b) include any such gain or loss whether temporary or permanent;
and “property” means any property whether real or personal
(including things in action and other intangible property).

(3) “Gain” includes a gain by keeping what one has, as well
as a gain by getting what one does not have.

(4) “Loss” includes a loss by not getting what one might get,
as well as a loss by parting with what one has.

Others involved either directly or indirectly may be charged with
aiding and abetting or conspiracy of the abovementioned offences.

Note that in Section 2 part 2(b) that the test is not a very difficult one.

…… Legal Eagle UK

Relax….and take a break. So much wasted energy. Direct your energies toward real environmental problems….like the strip-mining of the ocean’s fish supply. (As opposed to pointless causes such as anthropogenic global warming).

Meanwhile….we are going to be re-grouping and figuring out what to do in a new dalton or maunder.

The Russians have been preparing for such….but incredibly….the “West” has not.

Even though the UKMET office has had to shovel snow more than once from its offices this winter and has shivered through a record cold winter and the latest Hansen-inspired AGW protest in DC was met with 8 inches of snow and temperature maxima in the mid 20s….in MARCH even….

Prove…..without a shadow of a doubt….that the “warming” is occurring.

Chris
Norfolk, VA

Perhaps Serreze’ “raising the spectre” was unintended but his post at RC (”North Pole notes” via johnlouis (18:53:45) ) and Gavin’s response are quite telling (emphasis mine):”

Interesting how one’s perspective can be changed depending on one’s goals. Here, for example is Serreze in an apparent different life:

“In particular, we do not observe the large surface warming trends predicted by models; indeed, we detect significant surface cooling trends over the western Arctic Ocean during winter and autumn. This discrepancy suggests that present climate models do not adequately incorporate the physical processes that affect the polar regions.”
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v361/n6410/abs/361335a0.html

What a surprise: a major 25 – 35 year cycle in our climate system and an oscillation of temperature occurs as a result.

Why is it so surprising that, as humans, we are born and gain in strength, competence and capability until around 35, then slowly retreat in many aspects from 36 to 70, but that the climate system has no analagous oscillation?

It isn’t, to me.

Why should it be to the media, to the scientists and to the politicians?

Unless of course, they have ulterior motives? [selling newspapers; winning grants/publishing 'research'; creating conditions for money making from 'green issues' might be a few places to start....]

Current ice extent is 24.7 million square kilometers, not 15.14 mil.

Smokey (12:30:54) :
Phil.,

Who are we gonna believe? You? Or the NSIDC?

Someone who can read a calendar?

According to the NSIDC’s maps posted @10:19:56 above:

Go argue with the NSIDC.

No need, I’m sure they’re smart enough not to claim that the ice extent reported for 12/2008 is the “current ice extent” on 2/03/2009 as you did!

Who are we gonna believe? You? Or the NSIDC?

According to the NSIDC’s maps posted @10:19:56 above:

Global ice extent, 12/79 = 23.9 MM SK
Global ice extent, 12/08 = 24.7 MM SK

Go argue with the NSIDC.

The non-event in D.C. is more interesting to me, so I’m checking out whether there are 200 protesters, or 150. Birddog me on that thread if you must.

Firstly, it may not be popular to say so but I really enjoy the intelligent postings you, Mary Hinge and a number of other warmists make here. It is good to be kept on our toes.

I particularly enjoyed your last post 19 19 36 ( I do actually read them!) especially a link to a very good article by Charles Keeling writing about 1800 year old oceanic tides being more responsible for natural warming than co2. I will revert to it again in a moment, but Mr Keeling made a reference to the drought of ancient Akkad.

As a historian who –like Charles Keeling- believe that climatically we have been this way before (numerous times) and nothing is ‘unprecedented’ I thought readers might enjoy the curse of Akkad.

The civilisation of Akkad-2000bc. Lines taken from the curse of Akkad

For the first time since cities were built and founded,
The great agricultural tracts produced no grain,
The inundated tracts produced no fish,
The irrigated orchards produced neither syrup nor wine,
The gathered clouds did not rain, the masgurum did not grow.
At that time, one shekel’s worth of oil was only one-half quart,
One shekel’s worth of grain was only one-half quart. . . .
These sold at such prices in the markets of all the cities!
He who slept on the roof, died on the roof,
He who slept in the house, had no burial,
People were flailing at themselves from hunger.

This legend was just a small part of a very long thread of mine over on CA demonstrating that climatically we have been this way before. This theme was also taken up by another well known author as follows;

“from ancient civilisations through Bronze age cultures, Greeks Roman, all flourished in times of benign climate and perished when climate turned against them.

Yet the historical climate records of the western hemisphere suggests that around AD 950 temperatures increased and the climate changed at precisely the same time as the Mayan collapse far to the north. Leif Eriksson sailed through the Labrador sea between the new settlement of his father Eric the red in Greenland and North America, becoming the first European to set foot on what we called Vinland. This began the global climate shift known as the mediaeval warm epoch …it clearly seems to have been a shift in the global climate pattern recorded in North America by the first Europeans there. Up until around 900 the north Atlantic sea routes from Scandinavia and Iceland to the new communities in Greenland had been completely frozen over and impassable and at the end of the warm epoch, around 1300, temperature began to fall and sea ice again blocked the routes. After the warming epoch temperatures fell again at the beginning of the 14th century.”

Who makes these learned comments? None other than Al Gore in his rather good book ‘Earth in the Balance’ dating from 1992. His numerous climactic references demonstrate the earth has been warmer than present at various times, for example during the MWP. It’s a shame Dr Mann didn’t read it or talk to Al before concocting his hockey stick.

This is the link you gave to Charles Keelings rather good theory about a 1800 year tidal cycle forcing being responsible for the natural warming we experience-barely one word about co2. Having read his autobiography I don’t think his heart was really in that theory was it-nor was Nick Revelles.
http://www.pnas.org/content/97/8/3814.full.pdf+html

I will finish with a poem by Shelley that seems to sum up that civilsations come and go –posted for no other reason than that it is very evocative of the subject matter posted above.

I would be interested in your thoughts about Keelings study, and about past warming episodes, which amply illustrate our own era represents nothing new in earths long history of climatic change-and all achieved without man made added co2.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert … Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
“My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
—”Ozymandias,” Percy Bysshe Shelley

Tonyb

Current ice extent is 24.7 million square kilometers, not 15.14 mil.

Nonsense, to quote you: “wrong, wrong, wrong…….”

The current ice area (i.e. today’s) is 15.14 Mm^2, the current ice extent is not 24.7 Mm^2, the NH ice extent is ~14 Mm^2 and the SH ice extent is ~2Mm^2 so global ice extent is ~16 Mm^2.

Here’s the deal: Sign as crew for a transit of the NW Passage. I’ll fund the trip. If it’s as warm in the Arctic as they say it is, we’ll all have some fun, they can shoot some video and show the world what a cake walk it was. If we can’t make it through and get stuck in the ice, they agree to spend the winter on the boat.

Not that novel though since ~6 yachts did it in 2008, smaller than yours and unreinforced too.

2 guys at a bar, one says “The older I get, the faster time seems to pass. That’s just one more side effect of global warming.”
Caption: THREE-MARTINI SCIENCE

“…the current ice area is 15.14Mm^2!”

Not surprisingly, Phil… click

December 1979 ice extent, S.H.

December 1979 ice extent, N.H.

December 2008 ice extent, S.H.

December 2008 ice extent, N.H.

Current ice extent is 24.7 million square kilometers, not 15.14 mil.

You’re right, some folks will nitpick and split hairs for hours on end trying to prove that George Will was wrong — an impossible task in this case, as shown by Bill Illis in his 17:55:09 post. Bill shows that the current ice extent is a million square kilometers greater now than it was in 1979.

A remarkable achievement considering that the global ice area didn’t drop below 16.5Mm^2 in 1979 and the current ice area is 15.14Mm^2!

Now Lorne Gunter chips in.

Wow…I’m impressed! That’s a lot of [snip] and deceptions that Gunter has managed to cram into one short piece!