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	<title>Comments on: Solar Geomagnetic Ap Index now at lowest point in its record</title>
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		<title>By: Hiddigeigei</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/04/solar-geomagnetic-ap-index-now-at-lowest-point-in-its-history/#comment-84268</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Take a look at inverse length of solar cycles correlated with temperature 1860-1980+ at this NOAA site:

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.oar.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/images/sunclimate_3a.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.oar.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/images/sunclimate_3a.gif&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at inverse length of solar cycles correlated with temperature 1860-1980+ at this NOAA site:</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.oar.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/images/sunclimate_3a.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.oar.noaa.gov/spotlite/archive/images/sunclimate_3a.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: DR.M.A. Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DR.M.A. Rose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony,
you might want to look at http//www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm where there is a paper by Dr. Theodore Landscheidt. If you take Fig.3 and add info for cycles 22 &amp; 23 to graph you get very interesting graph!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,<br />
you might want to look at http//www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm where there is a paper by Dr. Theodore Landscheidt. If you take Fig.3 and add info for cycles 22 &amp; 23 to graph you get very interesting graph!!!</p>
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		<title>By: DR.M.A. Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DR.M.A. Rose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anthony, it might be coincidence but satellite images of Arctic Ocean from 1979 to date on 31st DEc of each year show snow cover of the northern part of northern Hemisphere after the drop in Ap]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony, it might be coincidence but satellite images of Arctic Ocean from 1979 to date on 31st DEc of each year show snow cover of the northern part of northern Hemisphere after the drop in Ap</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (17:20:22) :
&lt;i&gt;The point is that the 22yr cycle exists (supported by many), &lt;/i&gt;
Your problem may be one of semantics. One of Usokin&#039;s pet ideas is there is a relic solar magnetic field, left over from the birth of the Sun and not maintained by a dynamo and without field reversals. This was a possible idea back when we had the neutrino problem [because it might have distorted the solar interior and decreased the number of neutrinos generated] and before we had helioseismology [which does not show any distortions]. The relic field would modulate the normal 11-year dynamo driven cycle [the Schwabe cycle] in the sense that it would add to one polarity every other cycle when the two magnetic fields were aligned. This would be especially visible when the 11-year cycle was weak during grand minima. The result would be that every other 11-year cycle might be a bit larger. This would masquerade as a 22-year cycle [especially in the presence of noise]. The issue is best illustrated with a figure. http://www.leif.org/research/Synthetic-10-20-year-cycles.png where on the right I have an alternation of high and low 10-year cycles [thus no physical 20-year cycle] that we think reverse polarity every time without any catastrophe of any kind or shutdown of the dynamo. The power spectrum to the right shows the physical 10-year peak and &#039;artificial&#039; 20-year [at frequency 0.10-0.05=0.05] and 6.7-year peaks [at frequency 0.10+0.05=0.15]. Compare this to Figure 3 in Miyahara&#039;s paper. 
This is what the data shows, so, again [and it is getting tedious] there is only an &#039;eternal&#039; 11-year cycle that changes polarity every time. The data [Beer&#039;s 10Be and Miyahara&#039;s 14C] is the best we have and are fully consistent with the above. The dynamo does not shut down. It would not get started again if it did. Appeals to poor data and weak evidence won&#039;t work.
Now, the neutrino problem has been solved [the neutrinos have mass and can change &#039;kind&#039;] so no relic field is needed and helioseismology shows that the interior is not distorted. Random asymmetries between cycles and between hemispheres do occur as the two dynamos [one in each hemisphere] operate somewhat independently. There are people that see an odd-even asymmetry between cycles with odd cycles being larger than even cycles. Such asymmetry will show as an artificial 22-year cycle [c.f. the plot i just referred to] with &#039;dominant 22-year cycle and sub-dominant 11-year cycle&#039;. There is no theoretical justification [nor observational evidence] for a shutdown of the  dynamo. Lots of wishful thinking, though, by many people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (17:20:22) :<br />
<i>The point is that the 22yr cycle exists (supported by many), </i><br />
Your problem may be one of semantics. One of Usokin&#8217;s pet ideas is there is a relic solar magnetic field, left over from the birth of the Sun and not maintained by a dynamo and without field reversals. This was a possible idea back when we had the neutrino problem [because it might have distorted the solar interior and decreased the number of neutrinos generated] and before we had helioseismology [which does not show any distortions]. The relic field would modulate the normal 11-year dynamo driven cycle [the Schwabe cycle] in the sense that it would add to one polarity every other cycle when the two magnetic fields were aligned. This would be especially visible when the 11-year cycle was weak during grand minima. The result would be that every other 11-year cycle might be a bit larger. This would masquerade as a 22-year cycle [especially in the presence of noise]. The issue is best illustrated with a figure. <a href="http://www.leif.org/research/Synthetic-10-20-year-cycles.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.leif.org/research/Synthetic-10-20-year-cycles.png</a> where on the right I have an alternation of high and low 10-year cycles [thus no physical 20-year cycle] that we think reverse polarity every time without any catastrophe of any kind or shutdown of the dynamo. The power spectrum to the right shows the physical 10-year peak and &#8216;artificial&#8217; 20-year [at frequency 0.10-0.05=0.05] and 6.7-year peaks [at frequency 0.10+0.05=0.15]. Compare this to Figure 3 in Miyahara&#8217;s paper.<br />
This is what the data shows, so, again [and it is getting tedious] there is only an &#8216;eternal&#8217; 11-year cycle that changes polarity every time. The data [Beer's 10Be and Miyahara's 14C] is the best we have and are fully consistent with the above. The dynamo does not shut down. It would not get started again if it did. Appeals to poor data and weak evidence won&#8217;t work.<br />
Now, the neutrino problem has been solved [the neutrinos have mass and can change 'kind'] so no relic field is needed and helioseismology shows that the interior is not distorted. Random asymmetries between cycles and between hemispheres do occur as the two dynamos [one in each hemisphere] operate somewhat independently. There are people that see an odd-even asymmetry between cycles with odd cycles being larger than even cycles. Such asymmetry will show as an artificial 22-year cycle [c.f. the plot i just referred to] with &#8216;dominant 22-year cycle and sub-dominant 11-year cycle&#8217;. There is no theoretical justification [nor observational evidence] for a shutdown of the  dynamo. Lots of wishful thinking, though, by many people.</p>
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		<title>By: nobwainer (Geoff Sharp)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 01:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (07:06:42) : 

&lt;i&gt;Most of the papers are just general background and do not specifically say that there was no 11-year cycle.&lt;/i&gt;

The point is that the 22yr cycle exists (supported by many), whether its dominant or not is not important. I stated originally &quot; there does look to be some evidence&quot; and that is was only proxy as in your case, so we can put it to bed by both agreeing the evidence is weak on both sides and needs to be tested by modern equipment. Whether you and me will be around to do that is doubtful as this phenomenon was not recorded during the Dalton, and is more likely to occur in far stronger grand minima where it is hit by successive &quot;phase catastrophe&quot; or dynamo &quot;shutdowns&quot; or whatever you want to call it. The Sporer and Maunder clearly show a triple hit, the Dalton was a single hit followed later by a very weak episode at SC12 (a not so grand minimum), the upcoming grand minimum looks to be a single hit only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (07:06:42) : </p>
<p><i>Most of the papers are just general background and do not specifically say that there was no 11-year cycle.</i></p>
<p>The point is that the 22yr cycle exists (supported by many), whether its dominant or not is not important. I stated originally &#8221; there does look to be some evidence&#8221; and that is was only proxy as in your case, so we can put it to bed by both agreeing the evidence is weak on both sides and needs to be tested by modern equipment. Whether you and me will be around to do that is doubtful as this phenomenon was not recorded during the Dalton, and is more likely to occur in far stronger grand minima where it is hit by successive &#8220;phase catastrophe&#8221; or dynamo &#8220;shutdowns&#8221; or whatever you want to call it. The Sporer and Maunder clearly show a triple hit, the Dalton was a single hit followed later by a very weak episode at SC12 (a not so grand minimum), the upcoming grand minimum looks to be a single hit only.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (04:19:47) :
&lt;i&gt;He disagrees with me on many things.
And he is not the only one….as outlined in the list of papers he refers to.&lt;/i&gt;

Most of the papers are just general background and do not specifically say that there was no 11-year cycle.
And Usoskin [like you] misrepresents what the authors actually say.
For example, in referring to Miyahara:

&quot;An analysis of this data (Miyahara et al., 2006a,b) reveals a similar pattern with the dominant 22-year cycle and suppressed 11-year cycle.&quot;
If you actually read Miyahara&#039;s paper [see her Figure 3 and 4] you will see that the strongest peak in the power spectrum is at 11 years, not 22, so no &#039;dominant&#039; 22-year cycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (04:19:47) :<br />
<i>He disagrees with me on many things.<br />
And he is not the only one….as outlined in the list of papers he refers to.</i></p>
<p>Most of the papers are just general background and do not specifically say that there was no 11-year cycle.<br />
And Usoskin [like you] misrepresents what the authors actually say.<br />
For example, in referring to Miyahara:</p>
<p>&#8220;An analysis of this data (Miyahara et al., 2006a,b) reveals a similar pattern with the dominant 22-year cycle and suppressed 11-year cycle.&#8221;<br />
If you actually read Miyahara&#8217;s paper [see her Figure 3 and 4] you will see that the strongest peak in the power spectrum is at 11 years, not 22, so no &#8216;dominant&#8217; 22-year cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: nobwainer (Geoff Sharp)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (19:22:05) :

&lt;i&gt;He disagrees with me on many things.&lt;/i&gt;

And he is not the only one....as outlined in the list of papers he refers to.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (19:22:05) :</p>
<p><i>He disagrees with me on many things.</i></p>
<p>And he is not the only one&#8230;.as outlined in the list of papers he refers to.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (17:46:58) :
&lt;i&gt;Usoskin disagrees with you.&lt;/i&gt;
He disagrees with me on many things. The sunspot record is too spotty to analyze during the Maunder Minimum. That is why the 10Be record and the 14C record must be used. And Mayahara&#039;s paper is clear: http://www.stelab.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~kmasuda/C14_km/C14_publ/icrc03_sp.pdf 
see Figure 3 and 4. The notion of a 22-year cycle comes from the 11-year cycles being of uneven size. That gives rise to the two smaller side peaks at 23 and 7 years in figure 3. This is a very different phenomenon than a Schwabe cycle of 22-years. Now, you have not defined Schwabe cycle. I&#039;ll define it as a cycle where the Hale polarity law remains valid throughout the cycle and where there is one reversal of polar fields near the middle of the cycle [and no comments about the polar fields fluctuating as they reverse, please - they do this in every cycle].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (17:46:58) :<br />
<i>Usoskin disagrees with you.</i><br />
He disagrees with me on many things. The sunspot record is too spotty to analyze during the Maunder Minimum. That is why the 10Be record and the 14C record must be used. And Mayahara&#8217;s paper is clear: <a href="http://www.stelab.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~kmasuda/C14_km/C14_publ/icrc03_sp.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.stelab.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~kmasuda/C14_km/C14_publ/icrc03_sp.pdf</a><br />
see Figure 3 and 4. The notion of a 22-year cycle comes from the 11-year cycles being of uneven size. That gives rise to the two smaller side peaks at 23 and 7 years in figure 3. This is a very different phenomenon than a Schwabe cycle of 22-years. Now, you have not defined Schwabe cycle. I&#8217;ll define it as a cycle where the Hale polarity law remains valid throughout the cycle and where there is one reversal of polar fields near the middle of the cycle [and no comments about the polar fields fluctuating as they reverse, please - they do this in every cycle].</p>
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		<title>By: nobwainer (Geoff Sharp)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (09:12:45) :

Usoskin disagrees with you.

The Maunder minimum is a representative of grand minima in solar activity (e.g., Eddy, ), when sunspots have almost completely vanished from the solar surface, while the solar wind keeps blowing, although at a reduced pace (Cliver et al., 1998; Usoskin et al., ). There is some uncertainty in the definition of its duration; the “formal” duration is 1645 – 1715 (Eddy, 1976), while its deep phase with the absence of apparent sunspot cyclic activity is often considered as 1645 – 1700, with the low, but very clear, solar cycle of 1700 – 1712 being ascribed to a recovery or transition phase (Usoskin et al.). The Maunder minimum was amazingly well covered (more than 95% of days) by direct sunspot observations (Hoyt and Schatten, 1996), especially in its late phase (Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, ). On the other hand, sunspots appeared rarely (during ∼ 2% of the days) and seemingly sporadically, without an indication of the 11-year cycle (Usoskin and Mursula, 2003). This makes it almost impossible to apply standard methods of time-series analysis to sunspot data during the Maunder minimum (e.g., Frick et al., 1997)). Therefore, special methods such as the distribution of spotless days vs. days with sunspots (e.g., Harvey and White, 1999) or an analysis of sparsely-occurring events (Usoskin et al.,) should be applied in this case. Using these methods, Usoskin et al.  have shown that sunspot occurrence during the Maunder minimum was gathered into two large clusters (1652 – 1662 and 1672 – 1689), with the mass centers of these clusters being in 1658 and 1679 – 1680. Together with the sunspot maxima before (1640) and after (1705) the deep Maunder minimum, this implies a dominant 22-year periodicity in sunspot activity throughout the Maunder minimum (Mursula et al., 2001), with a subdominant 11-year cycle emerging towards the end of the Maunder minimum (Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, 1993; Mendoza, 1997; Usoskin et al., ) and becoming dominant again after 1700. Similar behavior of a dominant 22-year cycle and a weak subdominant Schwabe cycle during the Maunder minimum has been found in other indirect solar proxy data: auroral occurrence (Křivský and Pejml, 1988; Schlamminger, 1990; Silverman, 1992) and 14C data (Stuiver and Braziunas, 1993; Kocharov et al., 1995; Peristykh and Damon, 1998; Miyahara et al. ). This is in general agreement with the concept of “immersion” of 11-year cycles during the Maunder minimum (Vitinsky et al.). This concept means that full cycles cannot be resolved and sunspot activity only appears as pulses around cycle-maximum times.

The time behavior of sunspot activity during the Maunder minimum yields the following general scenario (Vitinsky et al., 1986; Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, ; Sokoloff and Nesme-Ribes, 1994Jump To The Next Citation Point; Usoskin et al., 2000, 2001a; Miyahara et al.). Transition from the normal high activity to the deep minimum was sudden (within a few years) without any apparent precursor. A 22-year cycle was dominant in sunspot occurrence during the deep minimum (1645 – 1700), with the subdominant 11-year cycle, which became visible only in the late phase of the Maunder minimum. The 11-year Schwabe cycle started dominating solar activity after 1700. Recovery of sunspot activity from the deep minimum to normal activity was gradual, passing through a period of nearly-linear amplification of the 11-year cycle. It is interesting to note that such a qualitative evolution of a grand minimum is consistent with predictions of the stochastically-forced return map (Charbonneau, ).

Although the Maunder minimum is the only one with available direct sunspot observations, its predecessor, the Spörer minimum from 1450 – 1550, is covered by precise bi-annual measurements of 14C (Miyahara et al.). An analysis of this data (Miyahara et al., 2006a,b) reveals a similar pattern with the dominant 22-year cycle and suppressed 11-year cycle, thus supporting the idea that the above general scenario may be typical for a grand minimum.

A very important feature of sunspot activity during the Maunder minimum was its strong north-south asymmetry, as sunspots were only observed in the southern solar hemisphere during the end of the Maunder minimum (Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, 1993; Sokoloff and Nesme-Ribes, 1994). This observational fact has led to intensive theoretical efforts to explain a significant asymmetry of the sun’s surface magnetic field in the framework of the dynamo concept (see the review by Sokoloff, 2004, and references therein).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (09:12:45) :</p>
<p>Usoskin disagrees with you.</p>
<p>The Maunder minimum is a representative of grand minima in solar activity (e.g., Eddy, ), when sunspots have almost completely vanished from the solar surface, while the solar wind keeps blowing, although at a reduced pace (Cliver et al., 1998; Usoskin et al., ). There is some uncertainty in the definition of its duration; the “formal” duration is 1645 – 1715 (Eddy, 1976), while its deep phase with the absence of apparent sunspot cyclic activity is often considered as 1645 – 1700, with the low, but very clear, solar cycle of 1700 – 1712 being ascribed to a recovery or transition phase (Usoskin et al.). The Maunder minimum was amazingly well covered (more than 95% of days) by direct sunspot observations (Hoyt and Schatten, 1996), especially in its late phase (Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, ). On the other hand, sunspots appeared rarely (during ∼ 2% of the days) and seemingly sporadically, without an indication of the 11-year cycle (Usoskin and Mursula, 2003). This makes it almost impossible to apply standard methods of time-series analysis to sunspot data during the Maunder minimum (e.g., Frick et al., 1997)). Therefore, special methods such as the distribution of spotless days vs. days with sunspots (e.g., Harvey and White, 1999) or an analysis of sparsely-occurring events (Usoskin et al.,) should be applied in this case. Using these methods, Usoskin et al.  have shown that sunspot occurrence during the Maunder minimum was gathered into two large clusters (1652 – 1662 and 1672 – 1689), with the mass centers of these clusters being in 1658 and 1679 – 1680. Together with the sunspot maxima before (1640) and after (1705) the deep Maunder minimum, this implies a dominant 22-year periodicity in sunspot activity throughout the Maunder minimum (Mursula et al., 2001), with a subdominant 11-year cycle emerging towards the end of the Maunder minimum (Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, 1993; Mendoza, 1997; Usoskin et al., ) and becoming dominant again after 1700. Similar behavior of a dominant 22-year cycle and a weak subdominant Schwabe cycle during the Maunder minimum has been found in other indirect solar proxy data: auroral occurrence (Křivský and Pejml, 1988; Schlamminger, 1990; Silverman, 1992) and 14C data (Stuiver and Braziunas, 1993; Kocharov et al., 1995; Peristykh and Damon, 1998; Miyahara et al. ). This is in general agreement with the concept of “immersion” of 11-year cycles during the Maunder minimum (Vitinsky et al.). This concept means that full cycles cannot be resolved and sunspot activity only appears as pulses around cycle-maximum times.</p>
<p>The time behavior of sunspot activity during the Maunder minimum yields the following general scenario (Vitinsky et al., 1986; Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, ; Sokoloff and Nesme-Ribes, 1994Jump To The Next Citation Point; Usoskin et al., 2000, 2001a; Miyahara et al.). Transition from the normal high activity to the deep minimum was sudden (within a few years) without any apparent precursor. A 22-year cycle was dominant in sunspot occurrence during the deep minimum (1645 – 1700), with the subdominant 11-year cycle, which became visible only in the late phase of the Maunder minimum. The 11-year Schwabe cycle started dominating solar activity after 1700. Recovery of sunspot activity from the deep minimum to normal activity was gradual, passing through a period of nearly-linear amplification of the 11-year cycle. It is interesting to note that such a qualitative evolution of a grand minimum is consistent with predictions of the stochastically-forced return map (Charbonneau, ).</p>
<p>Although the Maunder minimum is the only one with available direct sunspot observations, its predecessor, the Spörer minimum from 1450 – 1550, is covered by precise bi-annual measurements of 14C (Miyahara et al.). An analysis of this data (Miyahara et al., 2006a,b) reveals a similar pattern with the dominant 22-year cycle and suppressed 11-year cycle, thus supporting the idea that the above general scenario may be typical for a grand minimum.</p>
<p>A very important feature of sunspot activity during the Maunder minimum was its strong north-south asymmetry, as sunspots were only observed in the southern solar hemisphere during the end of the Maunder minimum (Ribes and Nesme-Ribes, 1993; Sokoloff and Nesme-Ribes, 1994). This observational fact has led to intensive theoretical efforts to explain a significant asymmetry of the sun’s surface magnetic field in the framework of the dynamo concept (see the review by Sokoloff, 2004, and references therein).</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (06:41:34) :
&lt;i&gt;There is evidence for and against a 22yr Schwabe cycle , it just depends which one you choose.&lt;/i&gt;
I have shown you the latest version of proxies which supersedes all earlier versions. So, let us put this to bed. There is no evidence of a 22-year Schabe cycle. If the two 11-year cycles are slightly different [there are those who think there is a difference between even and odd cycle], that will show up in the power spectrum at 22 years, but this does not mean that the cycles lasted 22 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (06:41:34) :<br />
<i>There is evidence for and against a 22yr Schwabe cycle , it just depends which one you choose.</i><br />
I have shown you the latest version of proxies which supersedes all earlier versions. So, let us put this to bed. There is no evidence of a 22-year Schabe cycle. If the two 11-year cycles are slightly different [there are those who think there is a difference between even and odd cycle], that will show up in the power spectrum at 22 years, but this does not mean that the cycles lasted 22 years.</p>
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		<title>By: nobwainer (Geoff Sharp)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (04:24:28) : 

&lt;i&gt;There is no evidence for the ‘phase catastrophe’.&lt;/i&gt;

There is evidence for and against a 22yr Schwabe cycle , it just depends which one you choose. 

I think you misunderstand the phrase ‘phase catastrophe’. It should be used to describe the overall grand minimum action affecting the Sun. There is multiple causes in theory, one of which is a 22yr Schwabe cycle. &quot;Phase catastrophe&quot; can still occur without a 22yr Schwabe cycle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (04:24:28) : </p>
<p><i>There is no evidence for the ‘phase catastrophe’.</i></p>
<p>There is evidence for and against a 22yr Schwabe cycle , it just depends which one you choose. </p>
<p>I think you misunderstand the phrase ‘phase catastrophe’. It should be used to describe the overall grand minimum action affecting the Sun. There is multiple causes in theory, one of which is a 22yr Schwabe cycle. &#8220;Phase catastrophe&#8221; can still occur without a 22yr Schwabe cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (22:43:27) :
&lt;i&gt;The McCracken graph looks to have a 22 yr cycle in it &lt;/i&gt;
This is where wishful thinking takes over. The FFT power spectrum clearly shows the 12.5 year peak instead. There is no evidence for the &#039;phase catastrophe&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (22:43:27) :<br />
<i>The McCracken graph looks to have a 22 yr cycle in it </i><br />
This is where wishful thinking takes over. The FFT power spectrum clearly shows the 12.5 year peak instead. There is no evidence for the &#8216;phase catastrophe&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: nobwainer (Geoff Sharp)</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (21:12:47) : 

The McCracken graph looks to have a 22 yr cycle in it ....But we can throw proxy reports at each other and not get anywhere, they are proxy reports. You have ones showing normal cycles, others show 22 yr cycles. You cant tell us exactly what happened during the Maunder with any absolute certainty with regard to the solar poles, so lets wait and see.

I suspect we will witness some unusual conditions at the poles in the next cycles, but perhaps not a 22yr Schwabe cycle. That might be reserved for grand minima that is triple punched by strong angular momentum....not like the single punch we are most likely heading into.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leif Svalgaard (21:12:47) : </p>
<p>The McCracken graph looks to have a 22 yr cycle in it &#8230;.But we can throw proxy reports at each other and not get anywhere, they are proxy reports. You have ones showing normal cycles, others show 22 yr cycles. You cant tell us exactly what happened during the Maunder with any absolute certainty with regard to the solar poles, so lets wait and see.</p>
<p>I suspect we will witness some unusual conditions at the poles in the next cycles, but perhaps not a 22yr Schwabe cycle. That might be reserved for grand minima that is triple punched by strong angular momentum&#8230;.not like the single punch we are most likely heading into.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard (21:12:47) :
The FFT power spectrum on the &lt;i&gt;left&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
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The FFT power spectrum on the <i>left</i></p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (20:17:32) :
&lt;i&gt;To be more precise, proxy records taken from the Maunder (as i have shown you before) suggest the Schwabe cycle goes for 22 yrs rather than 11&lt;/i&gt;
McCracken has recently analyzed the 10Be record for 1428-2004. He expresses the 10Be content as &#039;equivalent&#039; heliospheric magnetic field. Although I don&#039;t like that method, the relative variation from year to year should be OK. http://www.leif.org/research/Cycle-10Be-Maunder-Min.png shows the result. The FFT power spectrum on the right shows that the cycle period was 12.5 years [frequency 0.08/yr]. It is amazing that some old myths gets perpetuated forever.
Similarly Hiroko Miyahara and her colleages [where I was visiting professor once] in &quot;Variation of the Radiocarbon Content of Tree Rings during the Spoerer Minimum&quot; [28th International Cosmic Ray Conference] measured the radiocarbon content of tree rings from the Spoerer Minimum and found that the 11-year period was dominant [FFT peak at 10.9 years].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nobwainer (Geoff Sharp) (20:17:32) :<br />
<i>To be more precise, proxy records taken from the Maunder (as i have shown you before) suggest the Schwabe cycle goes for 22 yrs rather than 11</i><br />
McCracken has recently analyzed the 10Be record for 1428-2004. He expresses the 10Be content as &#8216;equivalent&#8217; heliospheric magnetic field. Although I don&#8217;t like that method, the relative variation from year to year should be OK. <a href="http://www.leif.org/research/Cycle-10Be-Maunder-Min.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.leif.org/research/Cycle-10Be-Maunder-Min.png</a> shows the result. The FFT power spectrum on the right shows that the cycle period was 12.5 years [frequency 0.08/yr]. It is amazing that some old myths gets perpetuated forever.<br />
Similarly Hiroko Miyahara and her colleages [where I was visiting professor once] in &#8220;Variation of the Radiocarbon Content of Tree Rings during the Spoerer Minimum&#8221; [28th International Cosmic Ray Conference] measured the radiocarbon content of tree rings from the Spoerer Minimum and found that the 11-year period was dominant [FFT peak at 10.9 years].</p>
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