Comments on: Where Thermometers Go To Die – How not to measure temperature, part 80

By: Barney

Barney — Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:20:28 +0000

Are there no scientists among you? Watts is a man with no scientific cred. He’s a weather presenter, not a climatologist; he finds a few bad stations that produce bad data out of the huge number of NASA stations, and thnks the whole NASA thing is wrong. You need to be more intellectual and challenging of hobbyists like Watts.

By: George E. Smith

George E. Smith — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:29:20 +0000

Well Anthony, my ribs haven’t recovered from last year’s ROFLMAO; so would you please stop it. At my age it hurts. I do like the fact that they moved the barbecue inside though; that was a real divine inspirational improvement.

Happy new year to you !

By: Grant

Grant — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:36:45 +0000

I’m astonished that Green Machine Gore and his band of “experts” have not yet proposed capping all volcanoes, or better still promoting man made eruptions. The latter putting billions of tons of dust particles into the air blocking solar radioation and thereby cooling the earth. Where do people think carbon comes from? Are they blind to the fact that it has always been here and always will be in one form or another? Is the Carbon Cycle not taught anymore in schools? We have not the ability to create matter from nothing nor the ability to destroy matter. It can only be reduced to its purest forms and last time I checked they were all located in the Periodic Table. It may be too difficult of a concept to grasp for most, but humans just happen to be living in a time where speech, writing, and technology are all manifesting themselves at the same time. The realistic facts of the fossil record show that every dominant species from all previous eras are now exctinct. And we too will one day be nothing more than a fossil record posing countless questions to those who may discover our remains.

By: peerre

peerre — Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:01:11 +0000

where can you find unadjusted data and data from older stations 60 percent of which has been taken out of giss records?

at giss map, is the data adjusted?

By: TonyB

TonyB — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 10:49:02 +0000

Smokey

Anyone else interested in a range of sceptical merchandise of some kind? A percentage of the profits to those who supplied the image/ photo/text etc and a percentage to go towards properly funded (albeit very badly) research into a couple of selected areas of sceptical concern. It would also be nice to pay for an adverising link to participating sites with a view to blogs such as this and Climate Audit earning a little money

TonyB

By: Smokey

Smokey — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 02:19:18 +0000

A pocket sized weekly daytimer calendar would be great. There are way too many surface stations reporting a 5+ degree error to fit into a 12 month calendar. Plus, people could carry their weekly daytimer/scheduler with them and show people the source of GISS data. Maybe this graphic [or one like it] could be on the cover. Heck, maybe there are even enough surface stations with bad data/bad siting to make up a daily daytimer. And this site could be used to provide a daily/weekly "fact" of all the disasters that global warming supposedly causes. It might even be a money maker. Plenty of people are now questioning AGW. They're a growing market.

By: TonyB

TonyB — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 23:21:44 +0000

Thanks to yourself and various people for your support for a weather stations calendar-as long as you all realise I am being ironic and us Brits have a strange sense of humour, here is a link to a roundabouts of Britain calendar which could be a model.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/features/swindon_roundabouts_calendar.shtml

Scroll down a little then use the button to flip through the photos. We could have mugs and T shirts as well…Perhaps it might be best to wait until after the judging…

TonyB

By: XQ

XQ — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 20:15:59 +0000

I second the motion for a weather stations calendar!

By: barry

barry — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:55:40 +0000

Thank you, Anthony Watts. I look forward to the (public?) resumption of the analyses. All the best.

barry.

By: barry

barry — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:41:53 +0000

Last time I looked at climateaudit, John V (and others) were comparing the time series between CRN123 sites and the official temperature record, resulting in a pretty good fit.

These snapshots of stations located near (or moved to) warm spots are anecdotal. How’s the analysis coming?

Could you please provide any information you’ve investigated about how and why the temp record for the above station was adjusted. Is there a link?

If you have no information, we’re left to speculate (unless one’s mind is firmly sealed against inquiry) on the physical history of the Fort Scott station.

Is there an update on the numbers part of the project? Last page I checked was

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=2201

There wasn’t a thread number at the bottom of that one like the previous. Are there similar threads at this site?

Mostly, I’ve found the inquiry very impressive.

REPLY: John V’s inquiry was premature, he only used 17 CRN1/2 stations with poor spatial distribution. A new comparison will be done when a majority of stations with good spatial distribution has been completed, likely sometime this spring. – Anthony

By: Pete Stroud

Pete Stroud — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:59:56 +0000

Off thread, have you seen this: Soot reduction ‘could help to stop global warming’ at http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/soot-reduction-could-help-to-stop-global-warming-1224481.html Here is one quote from the article that is based on a paper by GISS: “Black carbon, the component of soot that gives it its colour, is thought to be the second largest cause of global warming after carbon dioxide.” Methinks that even the worst AGW alarmists are looking for a way out!

By: sprats

sprats — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 03:45:38 +0000

Anthony. I am curious about the current thinking within NOAA about the work of WUWT. A WUWT report in 2008 advised that NOAA was grateful about the review of the stations as a learning experience BUT I am not seeing any attempt to make any changes at all. Are they absolutely convinced of their methods still or are conversations happening within the cone of silence? What do your little birds tell you?

By: Garacka

Garacka — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 02:41:17 +0000

It seems to me that it might be possible to model the thermal impacts on a temperature station of the local environment in response to wind, sun, and precipitation variations and heat generation sources like barbecues and home heat lose, etc.

Perhaps do a numerical model and a physical scale model. Better yet, measure an actual site with the ultimate goal being an improved site or site type specific adjustment. Site geometry probably can’t be too complicated and it might be desirable to do a site which also has wind, sun, precip data.

By: Novoburgo

Novoburgo — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:52:20 +0000

MikeMcMillan (12:58:48) wrote:

“To demonstrate the ham-handedness of the one-size-fits-all GISS homogenization, I did a blink of SurfaceStation.org’s home page poster child for good siting, Orland, CA. Same location for a century, no problems, but it needed GISS adjustment.
Orland”

Great demo Mike!
The station that turned me on to the farce that are GISS adjustments is the Western Maine metropolis (sarc) of Farmington (pop 7,500), a college town with a 100+ year climate record. The trend over the century was showing cooling (see http://www.john-daly.com) which I guess was inconvenient. Additionally, the warmest years were the 1930′s. Well, that couldn’t stand, so a little adjusting here, a little there, and voila’…problem solved. Another government solution to our outdoor air pollution!
Considering the fact that many of these towns in Maine have been slowly reverting back to forest from abandoned small farms that existed years ago, cooling made a lot of sense. These “adjustments” are enough to make an old man cry.

By: B Kerr

B Kerr — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 11:57:16 +0000

Where Thermometers Go To Die

In Scotland we would sum that up by saying, “Pure dead Brilliant”.