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Doug in Mankato, MN (07:10:22) :
One source of data I have not heard anyone talking about on this site or anyplace else I can find is the ocean data from the ARGO project, the worldwide array of robot floats that was completed about a year or so ago. This is a project with international support and I would think by now some of this data would be starting to tell us something about ocean temperature trends, currents and salinity. The home site is The site and the system itself is not meant to do analysis of the data collected, but rather to provide an international data base for anyone it who does. It was originally initiated to study global warming. Could it be that the lack of media coverage is due to the fact that it hasn’t shown any GW so far? Would be interested to know if any of the readers of this site have seen any referances to ARGO data.”

In response to the topic “Today in Climate History – Dec 12th, 1938 -getting warmer” I asked(above) if anyone had seen any results or references to the ARGO project data. Since then I have found two references:

http://oceans.pmel.noaa.gov/Pdf/hc_bias_jtech_v3.pdf

http://argo3000.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-much-have-ocean-temperatures.html

The first is a paper published in June which discussed the cooling biases in some of the ARGO floats and also the warming biases in the pre-ARGO technology for measuring ocean temperatures. The second is a blog entry from someone on the ARGO team referencing a more recent article in Nature in August of this year by a team that apparently analyzed both pre-ARGO and ARGO data. I can’t access the Nature article, but the conclusions of both articles seem to be that prior to the ARGO network coming on line four years ago the oceans were gradually heating and since then the ARGO data seems to show NO overall change in temperature. From the first article it appears that most of the ARGO data is systematically correctable. Those same authors admit that the pre-ARGO technology was not really designed for climate analysis and that those data have problems. Both sets of authors, of course, insist that the case for warming oceans is “compelling” and that the current stable state(which, by the way is the only state for which we have good data) is just a phase in a constantly trend upward.

Again, I would like to know if anyone has seen other articles on ocean temperature, currents, etc. which reference the ARGO system. As a layman with a science background(retired electrical engineer) it would seem to me that the oceans, because of their enormous mass in comparison to anything else on the surface of the planet, would also have an enormous effect on the global climate compared to anything else.

Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose…

http://books.google.com/books?id=vgAAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA63&hl=nl&source=gbs_toc_pages_r&cad=0_1

part 3

http://books.google.com/books?id=wAAAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA51&hl=nl&source=gbs_toc_pages_r&cad=0_1

this is a must read!.. its almost comedy but also sad because its the same canon 9i quess the since was settled in 1989

the “popular science” august 1989 12 pages Global warming special..
with Hansen et al..

http://books.google.com/books?id=vAAAAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA55&hl=nl&source=gbs_toc_pages_r&cad=0_1#PPA51,M1

u will love it

btw all!!! (sines 1870) issues ar online. very nice to read trough the old issues
http://books.google.com/books?id=JScDAAAAMBAJ&hl=nl&source=gbs_all_issues_r&cad=2_2

In 1937, temperatures had just about peaked in the rise from 1890 through 1935, with temperatures falling considerably AFTER 1940 until 1972. So the “hot cliamte” and “melting ice caps” that THIS article notes were already on path to freeze over and begin the 30 year slide into the 1968-1970 FEARS about a coming ICE AGE!

Worse, at the very depths of the 1968-1972 “ICE AGE” fears, we now know that a short 27 year RISE in temperatures was beginning. So Dr. Hansen’s FEARS of a coming climate heat wave were developing between 1988 and 1998 – just at the peak of the current hot spot.

Today, ten years after world temperatures have peaked, and as they begin falling even further the last two years, we see an ever-increasing shrill scream of despair about heat waves.

Right on time. The news media reacts to hot weather just as the climate begins its next 30-year slide back down another 4/10 of one degree.

And as the “scientists” begin their yells and screams for more funding.

“One source of data I have not heard anyone talking about on this site or anyplace else I can find is the ocean data from the ARGO project, the worldwide array of robot floats that was completed about a year or so ago. This is a project with international support and I would think by now some of this data would be starting to tell us something about ocean temperature trends, currents and salinity. The home site is http://www.argo.net/ The site and the system itself is not meant to do analysis of the data collected, but rather to provide an international data base for anyone it who does.”

Has anyone seen, downloaded and/or parsed this data?

Whenever I have looked I couldn’t find its location (got 404 not found) or anywhere it has been used to elucidate us (or not).

“Ron de han, it is the same here with CNN offering “planet in peril”. They absolutely never discuss the scientific arguments against it including the failed predictions but ever changing predictions of the IPCC”.

A real thinker is open minded about facts and makes course corrections accordingly. Their course is demonize CO2, period.”

I used to watch CNN, CNBC, BBC, Sky and even Russia Today.
They are all “bought” by the AGW gang broadcasting a never ending feed of bias BS.
They even win “awards” for it, like Gore and the IPCC got the Nobel Price.
We are ruled by people and organizations that are corrupt to the bone.
I keep on asking myself what these people think when they look in the mirror?

http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2008/12/wonder-how-gore-got-his-prize.html

Global Warming Attributed To Liberal Imagination

A real thinker is open minded about facts and makes course corrections accordingly. Their course is demonize CO2, period.

The referenced Article can be found in the New York Times Archive the main archive search is from 1981 to present. The secondary search holds all articles from 1851 to 1981 thats where you find the article referenced above
(First paragraph as found on the New York Times Website below).
In the future please remember sceptics always check sources from BOTH sides of the AGW debate.
Medic1532 off the air in quarters

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By HAROLD DENNYWireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES.

December 12, 1938, Monday

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The findings of Soviet explorers aboard the icebreaker Syedoff, now drifting within 300 miles of the North Pole, together with earlier observations by other investigators, have caused Soviet scientists to conclude that the Arctic region and, indeed, the whole world is growing warmer. [ END OF FIRST PARAGRAPH ]

Not according Mr. Glenn Cook, a senior meteorologist at the WA Bureau of Meteorology. He comes up with the following explanation for the cold spring

“Global warming is a background trend that has been clearly identified and these cool events will continue and continue for many years to come, they will just become less frequent as time goes on,”

Do you believe this guy? Even if we stumble into a full blown ice age, global warming is continuing in the back ground!

No wonder people are turning their back on printed media.
Their journalist suck and their meteorologists talk rubbish.
Where did they get their education I wonder.

Read the full article here:

http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2008/12/13/perth-december-cool-and-wet-but-summer-is-coming/