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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-71628</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I surveyed the station in Jamestown, ND, which is also at the State Hospital.  Not sure if I was breaking any rules, but I saw a hospital vehicle approaching the station as I drove away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I surveyed the station in Jamestown, ND, which is also at the State Hospital.  Not sure if I was breaking any rules, but I saw a hospital vehicle approaching the station as I drove away.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-62931</link>
		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historic photography documenting the development of the Kalamazoo State Hospital region is shown in:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wmich.edu/asylumlake/social/Archeological%20Assessment/Archeological%20Assessment%20Frameset.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT OF THE ASYLUM LAKE/COLONY FARM ORCHARD PROPERTY IN
KALAMAZOO, MICHIGAN&lt;/a&gt;
By
Rory J. Becker and Michael S. Nassaney 
Presented to
Asylum Lake Preserve Research and Education Review Panel
Asylum Lake Policy and Management Council
Western Michigan University
Reports of Investigations No. 109
Presented by:
Department of Anthropology
Western Michigan University
Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5032</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historic photography documenting the development of the Kalamazoo State Hospital region is shown in:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wmich.edu/asylumlake/social/Archeological%20Assessment/Archeological%20Assessment%20Frameset.htm" rel="nofollow">AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL ASSESSMENT OF THE ASYLUM LAKE/COLONY FARM ORCHARD PROPERTY IN<br />
KALAMAZOO, MICHIGAN</a><br />
By<br />
Rory J. Becker and Michael S. Nassaney<br />
Presented to<br />
Asylum Lake Preserve Research and Education Review Panel<br />
Asylum Lake Policy and Management Council<br />
Western Michigan University<br />
Reports of Investigations No. 109<br />
Presented by:<br />
Department of Anthropology<br />
Western Michigan University<br />
Kalamazoo, MI 49008-5032</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-62925</link>
		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preliminary verbal details from Dr.William Decker:
The USHCN weather station at Kalamazoo State Hospital was first located near the greenhouse. When the greenhouse was razed in the 1960s, that weather station was relocated to the west side of the Occupational Therapy Building near the Safety and Security Department. 
Awaiting photos and further details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preliminary verbal details from Dr.William Decker:<br />
The USHCN weather station at Kalamazoo State Hospital was first located near the greenhouse. When the greenhouse was razed in the 1960s, that weather station was relocated to the west side of the Occupational Therapy Building near the Safety and Security Department.<br />
Awaiting photos and further details.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ N.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-61500</link>
		<dc:creator>Russ N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slightly off topic, the State Psychiatric Hospital was closed quite a while ago. The new building in the left side of the photo is part of Western Michigan University, which took over most (if not all) of the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off topic, the State Psychiatric Hospital was closed quite a while ago. The new building in the left side of the photo is part of Western Michigan University, which took over most (if not all) of the property.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris D.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60915</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David L. Hagen:  Applause! Way to latch on. That makes sense. My first guess would have been Engineering/Physical Plant personnel. I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a matter of time before you snag an image if you&#039;re persistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David L. Hagen:  Applause! Way to latch on. That makes sense. My first guess would have been Engineering/Physical Plant personnel. I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a matter of time before you snag an image if you&#8217;re persistent.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60822</link>
		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a phone call with Dr. William A. Decker, he cited that weather station in his book: “Asylum for the Insane: A History of the Kalamazoo State Hospital”.

He noted that the weather station was monitored by the Safety and Security Department of the Kalamazoo State Hospital. Awaiting possible further contacts and info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a phone call with Dr. William A. Decker, he cited that weather station in his book: “Asylum for the Insane: A History of the Kalamazoo State Hospital”.</p>
<p>He noted that the weather station was monitored by the Safety and Security Department of the Kalamazoo State Hospital. Awaiting possible further contacts and info.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Benkovitz</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60777</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Benkovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 06:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT, interesting link.

I just saw this link on Slashdot. Sounds like the truth is slowly getting out.

http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&amp;p=4

Not sure why I could not find the contact info on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, interesting link.</p>
<p>I just saw this link on Slashdot. Sounds like the truth is slowly getting out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&amp;p=4" rel="nofollow">http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=597d0677-2a05-47b4-b34f-b84068db11f4&amp;p=4</a></p>
<p>Not sure why I could not find the contact info on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Gams</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60771</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Gams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another OT:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.physorg.com/news147358157.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rivers are carbon processors, not inert pipelines&lt;/a&gt;

...

Recent estimates by Battin&#039;s team and others conclude there is a net flux, or outgassing, of carbon dioxide from the world&#039;s rivers and streams to the atmosphere of at least two-thirds to three-quarters of a gigatonne (Gt) of carbon per year. This flux has not been taken into account in the models of the global carbon cycle used to predict climate change.

&quot;Surface water drainage networks perfuse and integrate the landscape, across the whole planet,&quot; says Battin, &quot;but they are missing from all global carbon cycling, even from the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reports. Rivers are just considered as inert pipelines, receiving organic carbon from Earth and transporting it to the ocean.&quot; This thinking, according to Battin, has changed radically in last few years.

He argues that the latest estimates of how much carbon is transferred to the atmosphere from rivers and streams are very conservative. &quot;The actual outgassing of carbon dioxide is probably closer to 2 Gt of carbon per year,&quot; says Battin. &quot;Our surface area estimates only consider larger streams and rivers, because it is very hard to estimate accurately the surface area of small streams. So small streams are excluded, although in terms of microbial activity, they are the most reactive in the network.&quot;

Two gigatonnes of carbon per year is close to half the estimated net primary production of the world&#039;s vegetation each year. Realising that this quantity of carbon may be delivered straight back to the atmosphere, rather than being taken to the ocean where some of it is removed by marine organisms and ends up in sediment, could have profound consequences for our understanding of the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another OT:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.physorg.com/news147358157.html" rel="nofollow">Rivers are carbon processors, not inert pipelines</a></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Recent estimates by Battin&#8217;s team and others conclude there is a net flux, or outgassing, of carbon dioxide from the world&#8217;s rivers and streams to the atmosphere of at least two-thirds to three-quarters of a gigatonne (Gt) of carbon per year. This flux has not been taken into account in the models of the global carbon cycle used to predict climate change.</p>
<p>&#8220;Surface water drainage networks perfuse and integrate the landscape, across the whole planet,&#8221; says Battin, &#8220;but they are missing from all global carbon cycling, even from the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) reports. Rivers are just considered as inert pipelines, receiving organic carbon from Earth and transporting it to the ocean.&#8221; This thinking, according to Battin, has changed radically in last few years.</p>
<p>He argues that the latest estimates of how much carbon is transferred to the atmosphere from rivers and streams are very conservative. &#8220;The actual outgassing of carbon dioxide is probably closer to 2 Gt of carbon per year,&#8221; says Battin. &#8220;Our surface area estimates only consider larger streams and rivers, because it is very hard to estimate accurately the surface area of small streams. So small streams are excluded, although in terms of microbial activity, they are the most reactive in the network.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two gigatonnes of carbon per year is close to half the estimated net primary production of the world&#8217;s vegetation each year. Realising that this quantity of carbon may be delivered straight back to the atmosphere, rather than being taken to the ocean where some of it is removed by marine organisms and ends up in sediment, could have profound consequences for our understanding of the system.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60768</link>
		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More from Google Images of &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&amp;hl=en&amp;q=%22Kalamazoo+State+hospital%22&amp;btnG=Search+Images&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kalamazoo State Hospital&quot;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More from Google Images of <a href="http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&amp;hl=en&amp;q=%22Kalamazoo+State+hospital%22&amp;btnG=Search+Images" rel="nofollow">Kalamazoo State Hospital&#8221;</a></p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60766</link>
		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I expect Cuil may have the most comprehensive listing of pages.
See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cuil.com/search?q=%22kalamazoo+state+hospital%22&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Klamazoo State Hospital&quot;&lt;/a&gt; 1291 results at Cuil 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wmich.edu/asylumlake/pics/hospital/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kalamazoo State Hospital&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.builtkalamazoo.com/neighborhoods/state3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;water tower&lt;/a&gt; etc.

Another possible contact: 
Dr. William A Decker, former Medical Superintendent of the Kalamazoo State Hospital, &lt;a href=&quot;http://events.grnow.com/events/index.php?com=detail&amp;eID=59780&amp;year=2008&amp;month=01&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;will be signing copies &lt;/a&gt; of his new book &quot;Asylum for the Insane: A History of the Kalamazoo State Hospital&quot;.
400 pages Arbutus Press (November 1, 2007) ISBN-10: 193392604X</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expect Cuil may have the most comprehensive listing of pages.<br />
See <a href="http://www.cuil.com/search?q=%22kalamazoo+state+hospital%22" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Klamazoo State Hospital&#8221;</a> 1291 results at Cuil </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wmich.edu/asylumlake/pics/hospital/index.html" rel="nofollow">Kalamazoo State Hospital</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.builtkalamazoo.com/neighborhoods/state3.html" rel="nofollow">water tower</a> etc.</p>
<p>Another possible contact:<br />
Dr. William A Decker, former Medical Superintendent of the Kalamazoo State Hospital, <a href="http://events.grnow.com/events/index.php?com=detail&amp;eID=59780&amp;year=2008&amp;month=01" rel="nofollow">will be signing copies </a> of his new book &#8220;Asylum for the Insane: A History of the Kalamazoo State Hospital&#8221;.<br />
400 pages Arbutus Press (November 1, 2007) ISBN-10: 193392604X</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Gams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Gams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other Topic, but this is getting crazy:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/3530607/Lawyers-call-for-international-court-for-the-environment.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lawyers call for international court for the environment.&lt;/a&gt;

A former chairman of the Bar Council is calling for an international court for the environment to punish states that fail to protect wildlife and prevent climate change.

Stephen Hockman QC is proposing a body similar to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to be the supreme legal authority on issues regarding the environment.

The first role of the new body would be to enforce international agreements on cutting greenhouse gas emissions set to be agreed next year.

But the court would also fine countries or companies that fail to protect endangered species or degrade the natural environment and enforce the &quot;right to a healthy environment&quot;.

The innovative idea is being presented to an audience of politicians, scientists and public figures for the first time at a symposium at the British Library.

Mr Hockman, a deputy High Court judge, said that the threat of climate change means it is more important than ever for the law to protect the environment.

The UN Climate Change Conference in Poznan, Poland this month is set to begin negotiations that will lead to a new agreement to replace the Kyoto Protocol in Copenhagen next year. Developed countries are expected to commit to cutting emissions drastically, while developing countries agree to halt deforestation.

Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, has agreed the concept of an international court will be taken into account when considering how to make these international agreements on climate change binding. The court is also backed by a number of MPs, climate change experts and public figures including the actress Judi Dench.

Mr Hockman said an international court will be needed to enforce and regulate any agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other Topic, but this is getting crazy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/3530607/Lawyers-call-for-international-court-for-the-environment.html" rel="nofollow">Lawyers call for international court for the environment.</a></p>
<p>A former chairman of the Bar Council is calling for an international court for the environment to punish states that fail to protect wildlife and prevent climate change.</p>
<p>Stephen Hockman QC is proposing a body similar to the International Court of Justice in The Hague to be the supreme legal authority on issues regarding the environment.</p>
<p>The first role of the new body would be to enforce international agreements on cutting greenhouse gas emissions set to be agreed next year.</p>
<p>But the court would also fine countries or companies that fail to protect endangered species or degrade the natural environment and enforce the &#8220;right to a healthy environment&#8221;.</p>
<p>The innovative idea is being presented to an audience of politicians, scientists and public figures for the first time at a symposium at the British Library.</p>
<p>Mr Hockman, a deputy High Court judge, said that the threat of climate change means it is more important than ever for the law to protect the environment.</p>
<p>The UN Climate Change Conference in Poznan, Poland this month is set to begin negotiations that will lead to a new agreement to replace the Kyoto Protocol in Copenhagen next year. Developed countries are expected to commit to cutting emissions drastically, while developing countries agree to halt deforestation.</p>
<p>Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, has agreed the concept of an international court will be taken into account when considering how to make these international agreements on climate change binding. The court is also backed by a number of MPs, climate change experts and public figures including the actress Judi Dench.</p>
<p>Mr Hockman said an international court will be needed to enforce and regulate any agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Graeme Rodaughan it looks like the Aus guv gets it&#039;s inspiration from idiots, according to this snip from - &lt;a href=&quot;http://nqr.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/general/fight-climate-change-by-watching-grass-grow/1375458.aspx?storypage=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fight climate change by watching grass grow&lt;/a&gt; (BTW good farming technique article) -

&lt;i&gt;&quot;A recent poll showed that 88pc of Australians wanted an emissions trading scheme (ETS) in Australia, and 60pc of people wanted it even if nobody else in the world was doing it,&quot; he said. 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;But a parallel survey found only eight per cent of Australians knew what an ETS was, so you&#039;ve got three quarters of all Australians wanting something that they don&#039;t know what it is.&lt;/b&gt; 

&quot;I think if we can talk through some of these other issues before we&#039;ve done silly things just because they are politically popular, or people think they want it, we can probably avoid the pain but actually deliver some outcomes.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Norm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Graeme Rodaughan it looks like the Aus guv gets it&#8217;s inspiration from idiots, according to this snip from &#8211; <a href="http://nqr.farmonline.com.au/news/nationalrural/agribusiness-and-general/general/fight-climate-change-by-watching-grass-grow/1375458.aspx?storypage=0" rel="nofollow">Fight climate change by watching grass grow</a> (BTW good farming technique article) -</p>
<p><i>&#8220;A recent poll showed that 88pc of Australians wanted an emissions trading scheme (ETS) in Australia, and 60pc of people wanted it even if nobody else in the world was doing it,&#8221; he said. </p>
<p><b>&#8220;But a parallel survey found only eight per cent of Australians knew what an ETS was, so you&#8217;ve got three quarters of all Australians wanting something that they don&#8217;t know what it is.</b> </p>
<p>&#8220;I think if we can talk through some of these other issues before we&#8217;ve done silly things just because they are politically popular, or people think they want it, we can probably avoid the pain but actually deliver some outcomes.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Norm</p>
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		<title>By: peerreviewer</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60754</link>
		<dc:creator>peerreviewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thermometers

they have significant variation with temperature for inaccuracies

Anthony, how is this corrected

http://www.box.net/shared/olobkqhyt7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thermometers</p>
<p>they have significant variation with temperature for inaccuracies</p>
<p>Anthony, how is this corrected</p>
<p><a href="http://www.box.net/shared/olobkqhyt7" rel="nofollow">http://www.box.net/shared/olobkqhyt7</a></p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Rodaughan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60753</link>
		<dc:creator>Graeme Rodaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT:

Sad days indeed - The Australian Parliament refuses to hear Anti-AGW Evidence.

Ref: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/parliament_bans_the_cool_facts/

(Put fingers in ears - la la la....)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT:</p>
<p>Sad days indeed &#8211; The Australian Parliament refuses to hear Anti-AGW Evidence.</p>
<p>Ref: <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/parliament_bans_the_cool_facts/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/parliament_bans_the_cool_facts/</a></p>
<p>(Put fingers in ears &#8211; la la la&#8230;.)</p>
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		<title>By: Graeme Rodaughan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme Rodaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Scott (07:54:45) : 

I&#039;m all in favour - provided everyone who works there does so on a strictly pro-bono basis, and all judgements are non-binding on all parties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Scott (07:54:45) : </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in favour &#8211; provided everyone who works there does so on a strictly pro-bono basis, and all judgements are non-binding on all parties.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60743</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tom in Texas&lt;/b&gt;:

Excellent link!

Thanks.</description>
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<p>Excellent link!</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris D.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60739</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before this thread devolves beyond repair, Anthony, you might check with the Kalamazoo Public Library, the nearest NWS office, and the hospital&#039;s administrative office to see what archives exist.  I was able to locate a few very old images of the hospital in the library&#039;s online collection, but didn&#039;t spot anything looking like a weather station. The MMS states the placement was on a hill crest area. The map tab places the site right on a building that appears to be on the adjacent college campus, but this could be due to the typical practice of using a rounded coordinate. On the other hand, perhaps the observer was someone on the school&#039;s faculty and the site was on hospital grounds simply because it was situated there from early on. But that&#039;s just a guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before this thread devolves beyond repair, Anthony, you might check with the Kalamazoo Public Library, the nearest NWS office, and the hospital&#8217;s administrative office to see what archives exist.  I was able to locate a few very old images of the hospital in the library&#8217;s online collection, but didn&#8217;t spot anything looking like a weather station. The MMS states the placement was on a hill crest area. The map tab places the site right on a building that appears to be on the adjacent college campus, but this could be due to the typical practice of using a rounded coordinate. On the other hand, perhaps the observer was someone on the school&#8217;s faculty and the site was on hospital grounds simply because it was situated there from early on. But that&#8217;s just a guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom in Texas</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60733</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom in Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT:  GLOBAL WARMING CAUSES:   A funny 9:35 video at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLxicwiBQ7Q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT:  GLOBAL WARMING CAUSES:   A funny 9:35 video at:</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/KLxicwiBQ7Q/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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		<title>By: Sam The Skeptic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/30/klose-in-kalamazoo/#comment-60724</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam The Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very interested in Perry Debell&#039;s posting above.
What is significant in all the defences that the Warm-ongers put forward or that they include in their models is the apparently unquestioned assumption that warming is all down to &quot;greenhouse gases&quot; by which they mean CO2.
Hopefully this will eventually prove to be their weak spot. If someone can convince politicians and the media that within certain limits increased CO2 will be beneficial to life on earth (which I believe it is) then all their other arguments will become open to challenge and we might finally get a bit of honesty in the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very interested in Perry Debell&#8217;s posting above.<br />
What is significant in all the defences that the Warm-ongers put forward or that they include in their models is the apparently unquestioned assumption that warming is all down to &#8220;greenhouse gases&#8221; by which they mean CO2.<br />
Hopefully this will eventually prove to be their weak spot. If someone can convince politicians and the media that within certain limits increased CO2 will be beneficial to life on earth (which I believe it is) then all their other arguments will become open to challenge and we might finally get a bit of honesty in the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Pachauri strikes again.

Farmers Panic About a ‘Cow Tax’
Even very small agricultural operations would meet a 100-tons-per-year emissions threshold. For example, dairy facilities with over 25 cows, beef cattle operations of over 50 cattle, swine operations with over 200 hogs, and farms with over 500 acres of corn may need to get a … permit. It is neither efficient nor practical to require permitting and reporting of [greenhouse] emissions from farms of this size. Excluding only the 200,000 largest commercial farms, our agricultural landscape is comprised of 1.9 million farms with an average value of production of $25,589 on 271 acres. These operations simply could not bear the regulatory compliance costs that would be involved.

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/farmers-panic-about-a-cow-tax/?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Pachauri strikes again.</p>
<p>Farmers Panic About a ‘Cow Tax’<br />
Even very small agricultural operations would meet a 100-tons-per-year emissions threshold. For example, dairy facilities with over 25 cows, beef cattle operations of over 50 cattle, swine operations with over 200 hogs, and farms with over 500 acres of corn may need to get a … permit. It is neither efficient nor practical to require permitting and reporting of [greenhouse] emissions from farms of this size. Excluding only the 200,000 largest commercial farms, our agricultural landscape is comprised of 1.9 million farms with an average value of production of $25,589 on 271 acres. These operations simply could not bear the regulatory compliance costs that would be involved.</p>
<p><a href="http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/farmers-panic-about-a-cow-tax/?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss" rel="nofollow">http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/01/farmers-panic-about-a-cow-tax/?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss</a></p>
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