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	<title>Comments on: Corrected NASA GISTEMP data has been posted</title>
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		<title>By: David Norfolk UK.</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/12/corrected-nasa-gistemp-data-has-been-posted/#comment-77825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Norfolk UK.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[according to the BBC, emperor penguins will be extinct in antarctica by the end of the century due to ice loss!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>according to the BBC, emperor penguins will be extinct in antarctica by the end of the century due to ice loss!</p>
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		<title>By: Science of Hysteria &#124; The Voice of Merrill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Science of Hysteria &#124; The Voice of Merrill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Climate Change.  They professed the dangers facing mankind based on numbers they either knew to be inaccurate, or were too obsessed with finding their desired results to notice.  Heck, a child found a flaw in [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Mauna Loa CO2 record posts smallest yearly gain in its history - maybe &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mauna Loa CO2 record posts smallest yearly gain in its history - maybe &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the identical months of November and December. It could be a GISS October2008 kind of carryover error, it could also be real. The global values for December 2008 are not yet out. Mauna Loa is only one [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the identical months of November and December. It could be a GISS October2008 kind of carryover error, it could also be real. The global values for December 2008 are not yet out. Mauna Loa is only one [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/12/corrected-nasa-gistemp-data-has-been-posted/#comment-65126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 07:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not a linear distribution... how could it be?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not a linear distribution&#8230; how could it be?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Sharpe</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/12/corrected-nasa-gistemp-data-has-been-posted/#comment-64863</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Sharpe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez, jeez, did you have to be so quick?

In any event, the abstract says, in part:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Two global coupled climate models show that even if the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere had been stabilized in the year 2000, we are already committed to further global warming of about another half degree &lt;b&gt;and an additional 320% sea level rise&lt;/b&gt; caused by thermal expansion by the end of the 21st century. (Emphasis added.)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, roughly, a sea level rise of 3.2% a year. So, since 2005 (or a little earlier, given when the paper was submitted), we should have seen a 10% sea level rise since then.

Perhaps they were not expecting a linear distribution of the sea-level rise over the remainder of this century, otherwise I would have to say their prediction has failed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, jeez, did you have to be so quick?</p>
<p>In any event, the abstract says, in part:</p>
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Two global coupled climate models show that even if the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere had been stabilized in the year 2000, we are already committed to further global warming of about another half degree <b>and an additional 320% sea level rise</b> caused by thermal expansion by the end of the 21st century. (Emphasis added.)
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<p>So, roughly, a sea level rise of 3.2% a year. So, since 2005 (or a little earlier, given when the paper was submitted), we should have seen a 10% sea level rise since then.</p>
<p>Perhaps they were not expecting a linear distribution of the sea-level rise over the remainder of this century, otherwise I would have to say their prediction has failed.</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You  don&#039;t have to read farther than &quot;Two global coupled climate models show...&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You  don&#8217;t have to read farther than &#8220;Two global coupled climate models show&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/12/corrected-nasa-gistemp-data-has-been-posted/#comment-64861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/307/5716/1769]]></description>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/11/12/corrected-nasa-gistemp-data-has-been-posted/#comment-62129</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You should read Harrison&#039;s Principles of Internal Medicine... you never know who you may be chatting with in regards to medicine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should read Harrison&#8217;s Principles of Internal Medicine&#8230; you never know who you may be chatting with in regards to medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol, thank you for that joke, E.M. Smith, I never laughed so hard, and given the theories my students came up with this week, I needed that. Until you gain a background in epidemiology and read the CDC data and &quot;The Microbial World,&quot; you are just not able to understand the nuances of this discussion and the issues of malaria in light of global climate change and the need for nets and the fact the antibiotics abuse is the number form of drug abuse in the world...good day, thank you for the sense of humour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, thank you for that joke, E.M. Smith, I never laughed so hard, and given the theories my students came up with this week, I needed that. Until you gain a background in epidemiology and read the CDC data and &#8220;The Microbial World,&#8221; you are just not able to understand the nuances of this discussion and the issues of malaria in light of global climate change and the need for nets and the fact the antibiotics abuse is the number form of drug abuse in the world&#8230;good day, thank you for the sense of humour.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.M.Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From jcbmack (23:05:22) :
But now for your dare, I can explain in detail why malaria can, has and will at times spread in cold northern climate regions and potentially other cold areas as well: summer dormancy of hypnozoites and transmission of sporozoites indoors by semiactive hibernating mosquitoes. Variable climate conditions did not change this relationshipe textbook [...] 
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jcbmack, please accept my profound apology.  I was clearly wrong in doubting that you could demonstrate mastery of why malaria is able to do quite well, perhaps even thrive, if very cold climates.  I was wrong.  You did a magnificent job of it.

And now that you have demonstrated that malaria is both a warm and cold climate disease, I will move on from the topic...

You also said:  &quot;California has primarily dry weather, not humid, I live in CA&quot;

I took this to imply that you think that malaria is not a problem for a low humidity place like California.  I will also assume I was wrong about what you meant and that you know about the history of malaria in California.  For those who are not aware, I&#039;ve added some information below.  (The central valley of California can be either dry or humid depending on weather.  It always has mosquitos though, unless controlled.)

From: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ucmrp/news/malariaawarenessevent.html
&lt;i&gt;
UC Davis’ first chancellor, entomologist Stanley Freeborn (1891-1960), wrote the first comprehensive review of mosquitoes in California, Vanderhoef noted. A California mosquito that transmits malaria (Anopheles freeborni), bears Freeborn’s name.

UC Davis spearheaded the formation of the statewide UC Malaria Research and Control Group, part of the UC Mosquito Research Program, both directed by Lanzaro. The group, formed in February 2006, is comprised of 21 scientists from five UC campuses, partnering with MVCAC, which includes more than 60 mosquito abatement districts in California.
[...]
UC Davis medical entomologist Robert Washino, introduced as “the person who knows more about mosquitoes than anyone else in California,” said that six U.S. presidents, from George Washington to John F. Kennedy, contracted malaria.

“Malaria was introduced in California in 1833,” Washino said, “and it shaped the history of our state.”

Malaria swept through fur trapper, native Indian, pioneer and gold miner populations, Washino noted. It was eradicated in the 1950s, but outbreaks still occur; the most recent outbreaks surfaced in San Diego County in 1986-89. 
[...]
“We have to be vigilant,” Washino warned. “Five of the Anopheline mosquitoes that transmit malaria are still here in California.” &lt;/i&gt;

and
&lt;i&gt;Lanzaro predicted the UC Malaria Research and Control Group, with its noted scientists and mosquito abatement experts, will be hugely successful in combating malaria in Africa. “The Mosquito and Vector Control Association of California has the most sophisticated mosquito-control program in the world, and we’re taking that over to Africa,” Lanzaro said. &lt;/i&gt;

and further down
&lt;i&gt;Mosquito abatement experts helped wipe out malaria in California and Mulligan predicted “we can do the same in Africa.”  &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure you are aware of why California has such a capable vector control program.

From: http://iier.isciii.es/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000251.htm we have a couple of cases of malaria from the 1980&#039;s in the central valley of Ca.
&lt;i&gt;
Editorial Note: Considering the average 14-day incubation period for vivax malaria, and the travel history of the 2 patients, the infections reported here were most likely acquired in the northern part of California&#039;s Sacramento (Central) Valley. Historically, mosquito-transmitted malaria in California has been confined to the Central Valley where ecologic habitats provided by irrigated farmlands--including fruit orchards and rice fields--are ideal for the breeding of A. freeborni, a highly susceptible vector of vivax malaria. In addition, non-refugee agricultural workers from malarious countries provide a reservoir of vivax parasites in such areas as Sutter and Yuba counties.
&lt;/i&gt; and
&lt;i&gt;
The patient lives 3 miles south of Marysville in a semi-rural setting next to the Feather River and within 1/4 mile of rice fields and orchards. He had not been employed regularly since December 1980. In the spring and summer of 1981 he did extensive fishing and camping throughout Sutter and Yuba counties, and often received many mosquito bites. &lt;/i&gt;

My hospital work was at U.C. Davis medical center (I&#039;m an alumni of U.C.D.) and a local community hospital.  I grew up swimming in the Feather River in a town a dozen miles or so from Marysville...   Yes, C.V. California IS a malaria zone, though controlled via pesticides, water control, and (as the cases in the above link demonstrate) prompt control of active cases with antibiotics (antimalarials) to control sources of parasites.  And we&#039;re taking that road show to Africa.

Sidebar:  Completely unrelated, but interesting... Plague is endemic to the rodents of California.  Every year we would have a case or two reported to the Yolo County health department.  Promptly controlled with antibiotics, so it doesn&#039;t hit the news, but still...  The idea that &quot;fluffy&quot; the squirrel might give you  Black Death is a bit disconcerting!  Every so often some survivalist will rant about how after the quake they will live on squirrel stew and I just shake my head (and cherish my stash of Doxycycline in the fridge...)

With that, I&#039;m done with this thread.  We clearly both agree that malaria can live in cold and warm, wet and dry, and that good public health and modern medicine are more important to disease control than anything else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From jcbmack (23:05:22) :<br />
But now for your dare, I can explain in detail why malaria can, has and will at times spread in cold northern climate regions and potentially other cold areas as well: summer dormancy of hypnozoites and transmission of sporozoites indoors by semiactive hibernating mosquitoes. Variable climate conditions did not change this relationshipe textbook [...]<br />
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<p>jcbmack, please accept my profound apology.  I was clearly wrong in doubting that you could demonstrate mastery of why malaria is able to do quite well, perhaps even thrive, if very cold climates.  I was wrong.  You did a magnificent job of it.</p>
<p>And now that you have demonstrated that malaria is both a warm and cold climate disease, I will move on from the topic&#8230;</p>
<p>You also said:  &#8220;California has primarily dry weather, not humid, I live in CA&#8221;</p>
<p>I took this to imply that you think that malaria is not a problem for a low humidity place like California.  I will also assume I was wrong about what you meant and that you know about the history of malaria in California.  For those who are not aware, I&#8217;ve added some information below.  (The central valley of California can be either dry or humid depending on weather.  It always has mosquitos though, unless controlled.)</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ucmrp/news/malariaawarenessevent.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ucmrp/news/malariaawarenessevent.html</a><br />
<i><br />
UC Davis’ first chancellor, entomologist Stanley Freeborn (1891-1960), wrote the first comprehensive review of mosquitoes in California, Vanderhoef noted. A California mosquito that transmits malaria (Anopheles freeborni), bears Freeborn’s name.</p>
<p>UC Davis spearheaded the formation of the statewide UC Malaria Research and Control Group, part of the UC Mosquito Research Program, both directed by Lanzaro. The group, formed in February 2006, is comprised of 21 scientists from five UC campuses, partnering with MVCAC, which includes more than 60 mosquito abatement districts in California.<br />
[...]<br />
UC Davis medical entomologist Robert Washino, introduced as “the person who knows more about mosquitoes than anyone else in California,” said that six U.S. presidents, from George Washington to John F. Kennedy, contracted malaria.</p>
<p>“Malaria was introduced in California in 1833,” Washino said, “and it shaped the history of our state.”</p>
<p>Malaria swept through fur trapper, native Indian, pioneer and gold miner populations, Washino noted. It was eradicated in the 1950s, but outbreaks still occur; the most recent outbreaks surfaced in San Diego County in 1986-89.<br />
[...]<br />
“We have to be vigilant,” Washino warned. “Five of the Anopheline mosquitoes that transmit malaria are still here in California.” </i></p>
<p>and<br />
<i>Lanzaro predicted the UC Malaria Research and Control Group, with its noted scientists and mosquito abatement experts, will be hugely successful in combating malaria in Africa. “The Mosquito and Vector Control Association of California has the most sophisticated mosquito-control program in the world, and we’re taking that over to Africa,” Lanzaro said. </i></p>
<p>and further down<br />
<i>Mosquito abatement experts helped wipe out malaria in California and Mulligan predicted “we can do the same in Africa.”  </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you are aware of why California has such a capable vector control program.</p>
<p>From: <a href="http://iier.isciii.es/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000251.htm" rel="nofollow">http://iier.isciii.es/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000251.htm</a> we have a couple of cases of malaria from the 1980&#8242;s in the central valley of Ca.<br />
<i><br />
Editorial Note: Considering the average 14-day incubation period for vivax malaria, and the travel history of the 2 patients, the infections reported here were most likely acquired in the northern part of California&#8217;s Sacramento (Central) Valley. Historically, mosquito-transmitted malaria in California has been confined to the Central Valley where ecologic habitats provided by irrigated farmlands&#8211;including fruit orchards and rice fields&#8211;are ideal for the breeding of A. freeborni, a highly susceptible vector of vivax malaria. In addition, non-refugee agricultural workers from malarious countries provide a reservoir of vivax parasites in such areas as Sutter and Yuba counties.<br />
</i> and<br />
<i><br />
The patient lives 3 miles south of Marysville in a semi-rural setting next to the Feather River and within 1/4 mile of rice fields and orchards. He had not been employed regularly since December 1980. In the spring and summer of 1981 he did extensive fishing and camping throughout Sutter and Yuba counties, and often received many mosquito bites. </i></p>
<p>My hospital work was at U.C. Davis medical center (I&#8217;m an alumni of U.C.D.) and a local community hospital.  I grew up swimming in the Feather River in a town a dozen miles or so from Marysville&#8230;   Yes, C.V. California IS a malaria zone, though controlled via pesticides, water control, and (as the cases in the above link demonstrate) prompt control of active cases with antibiotics (antimalarials) to control sources of parasites.  And we&#8217;re taking that road show to Africa.</p>
<p>Sidebar:  Completely unrelated, but interesting&#8230; Plague is endemic to the rodents of California.  Every year we would have a case or two reported to the Yolo County health department.  Promptly controlled with antibiotics, so it doesn&#8217;t hit the news, but still&#8230;  The idea that &#8220;fluffy&#8221; the squirrel might give you  Black Death is a bit disconcerting!  Every so often some survivalist will rant about how after the quake they will live on squirrel stew and I just shake my head (and cherish my stash of Doxycycline in the fridge&#8230;)</p>
<p>With that, I&#8217;m done with this thread.  We clearly both agree that malaria can live in cold and warm, wet and dry, and that good public health and modern medicine are more important to disease control than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am certainly not claiming myself that Milankovitch can cause a cooling (or warming) globally suddenly in 2008.



For further reading;

Climate Process &amp; Change
 By Edward Bryant


The Geology of Stratigraphic Sequences
 By Andrew D. Miall]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am certainly not claiming myself that Milankovitch can cause a cooling (or warming) globally suddenly in 2008.</p>
<p>For further reading;</p>
<p>Climate Process &amp; Change<br />
 By Edward Bryant</p>
<p>The Geology of Stratigraphic Sequences<br />
 By Andrew D. Miall</p>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I brought up Milankovitch for two reasons;

1.) there misconceptions as to its effects and relevance to the current climate change discussion and I have seen many try and use it to describe its effects in a manner to discredit global warming. I was  not suggesting that the changes describe very short term cooling trends, some posters here have claimed that there has been a several year cooling and even decades worth, here some might argue involvement of seasonal changes, localized weather patterns building up into a global cooling trend.

2.) minor perturbations in the system can be traced, though not usually so short term to milankovitch among other phenomenon which influences orbit, wobble and tilt, to put it simply. So, some localized seasonal effects may influence data collection and graphs one might derive, which may influence results especially with a good deviation from a temp change with a mild room for error.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I brought up Milankovitch for two reasons;</p>
<p>1.) there misconceptions as to its effects and relevance to the current climate change discussion and I have seen many try and use it to describe its effects in a manner to discredit global warming. I was  not suggesting that the changes describe very short term cooling trends, some posters here have claimed that there has been a several year cooling and even decades worth, here some might argue involvement of seasonal changes, localized weather patterns building up into a global cooling trend.</p>
<p>2.) minor perturbations in the system can be traced, though not usually so short term to milankovitch among other phenomenon which influences orbit, wobble and tilt, to put it simply. So, some localized seasonal effects may influence data collection and graphs one might derive, which may influence results especially with a good deviation from a temp change with a mild room for error.</p>
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		<title>By: jcbmack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jcbmack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No you have not... antibiotics do not always work and in the high risk areas there are numerous reinfections. Malaria can be spread through one of several vectors even in cold climates, and even places with traditionally cold climates can have periodic warm phases that support malaria spread. California  has primarily dry weather, not humid, I live in CA, have been to Florida and I lived in Ny.

But now for your dare, I can explain in detail why malaria can, has and will at times spread in cold northern climate regions and potentially other cold areas as well: summer dormancy of hypnozoites and transmission of sporozoites indoors by semiactive hibernating mosquitoes. Variable climate conditions did not change this relationship, but the epidemics brought about by vast numbers of active mosquitoes were still found to be a function of temperature and humidity, which helps in the breeding of anopheles. Preceding summer conditions were still found to be an important factor in the force of the winter malaria breakout and P. Vivax was the major cause of breakouts in Scandinavia and Finland in the nineteenth century. P. falciparum, the most virulent form was not stopped by cold climate, but a short summer or cool summer did not well support the dormant phase. All this information is available on google, google scholar a good under graduate textbook and a graduate textbooks gives some great details on the molecular aspects of the various phases of the four infectious causative agents of malaria.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No you have not&#8230; antibiotics do not always work and in the high risk areas there are numerous reinfections. Malaria can be spread through one of several vectors even in cold climates, and even places with traditionally cold climates can have periodic warm phases that support malaria spread. California  has primarily dry weather, not humid, I live in CA, have been to Florida and I lived in Ny.</p>
<p>But now for your dare, I can explain in detail why malaria can, has and will at times spread in cold northern climate regions and potentially other cold areas as well: summer dormancy of hypnozoites and transmission of sporozoites indoors by semiactive hibernating mosquitoes. Variable climate conditions did not change this relationship, but the epidemics brought about by vast numbers of active mosquitoes were still found to be a function of temperature and humidity, which helps in the breeding of anopheles. Preceding summer conditions were still found to be an important factor in the force of the winter malaria breakout and P. Vivax was the major cause of breakouts in Scandinavia and Finland in the nineteenth century. P. falciparum, the most virulent form was not stopped by cold climate, but a short summer or cool summer did not well support the dormant phase. All this information is available on google, google scholar a good under graduate textbook and a graduate textbooks gives some great details on the molecular aspects of the various phases of the four infectious causative agents of malaria.</p>
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		<title>By: Leif Svalgaard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leif Svalgaard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[E.M.Smith (19:17:55) :
&lt;i&gt;Please rest assured I do not assert Bond Events are caused by a demonstrated 1500 year solar cycle&lt;/i&gt; 
OK. And, BTW, I&#039;m also convinced of the reality of the Bond Events. Gerard did a good job on me. I take the existence of Bond Events as a sign of natural, internal climate cycles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.M.Smith (19:17:55) :<br />
<i>Please rest assured I do not assert Bond Events are caused by a demonstrated 1500 year solar cycle</i><br />
OK. And, BTW, I&#8217;m also convinced of the reality of the Bond Events. Gerard did a good job on me. I take the existence of Bond Events as a sign of natural, internal climate cycles.</p>
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		<title>By: E.M.Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.M.Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[from jcbmack (19:10:26) :
 you are missing several points that are raised by bringing up the Milankovitch cycle, it is as shame you lack the background to understand.
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Nice personal attack, thin on facts though.  Name the points.  I&#039;m still waiting for you to show how a 20,000ish year periodicity can cause a few hundred year weather cycle.  Precession?  Axial tilt?  Elliptical orbit variance?     Polar ice cycles?

The insult style and lack of substance is a very weak argument on your part.

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Oh and yes, nets and other adaptations will lower incidence and prevalence of malaria, however, it also certainly a function of temperature and humidity, take a course in microbiology and you will this, John.
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Again with the personal attack style.  What can I say?  You are just as wrong on my background as you are on malaria.  

I&#039;ve worked on more hospital wards and taken more bio courses at university (including bacteriology &amp; genetics) than I care to think about, thanks.  I&#039;ve also had entomology courses which are more relevant here.  

I have lived in areas with long histories of malaria but at hospital we saw only a few cases each year.  The reason was not nets; it was spray trucks, water trap draining, mosquito fish, and antibiotics.  Good public health systems and mosquito abatement districts.  This in a place where winters were in the teens F.  Hardly &#039;warm&#039;.  Summers were 100F+ though.  Change that to 20s in the winter and 105+ in the summer and not a thing will be different to the mosquitos.  Nothing.

Or are you asserting that malaria is running rampant in Florida and the rest of the southeast states along with the central valley of California?   They all have plenty of warmth and humidity.  And please explain the historic malaria outbreaks in cold climates, like Britain and Russia.  I suspect that you can&#039;t.

The notion that a warmer planet means more malaria is fundamentally broken.  It&#039;s just scare mongering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from jcbmack (19:10:26) :<br />
 you are missing several points that are raised by bringing up the Milankovitch cycle, it is as shame you lack the background to understand.<br />
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<p>Nice personal attack, thin on facts though.  Name the points.  I&#8217;m still waiting for you to show how a 20,000ish year periodicity can cause a few hundred year weather cycle.  Precession?  Axial tilt?  Elliptical orbit variance?     Polar ice cycles?</p>
<p>The insult style and lack of substance is a very weak argument on your part.</p>
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Oh and yes, nets and other adaptations will lower incidence and prevalence of malaria, however, it also certainly a function of temperature and humidity, take a course in microbiology and you will this, John.<br />
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<p>Again with the personal attack style.  What can I say?  You are just as wrong on my background as you are on malaria.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked on more hospital wards and taken more bio courses at university (including bacteriology &amp; genetics) than I care to think about, thanks.  I&#8217;ve also had entomology courses which are more relevant here.  </p>
<p>I have lived in areas with long histories of malaria but at hospital we saw only a few cases each year.  The reason was not nets; it was spray trucks, water trap draining, mosquito fish, and antibiotics.  Good public health systems and mosquito abatement districts.  This in a place where winters were in the teens F.  Hardly &#8216;warm&#8217;.  Summers were 100F+ though.  Change that to 20s in the winter and 105+ in the summer and not a thing will be different to the mosquitos.  Nothing.</p>
<p>Or are you asserting that malaria is running rampant in Florida and the rest of the southeast states along with the central valley of California?   They all have plenty of warmth and humidity.  And please explain the historic malaria outbreaks in cold climates, like Britain and Russia.  I suspect that you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>The notion that a warmer planet means more malaria is fundamentally broken.  It&#8217;s just scare mongering.</p>
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