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		<title>By: Do we need more CO2? - Page 2</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] concern to Americans, while global warming may seem like a somewhat more remote issue ... &quot;  EcoAmerica Poll: Climate skeptics are the majority, not the minority Watts Up With That? &quot; ... Only 18 percent of survey respondents strongly believe that climate change is real, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] concern to Americans, while global warming may seem like a somewhat more remote issue &#8230; &quot;  EcoAmerica Poll: Climate skeptics are the majority, not the minority Watts Up With That? &quot; &#8230; Only 18 percent of survey respondents strongly believe that climate change is real, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JimB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dee,
Great suggestion...thanks.

You can also go here for interesting material from the same author:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp

Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dee,<br />
Great suggestion&#8230;thanks.</p>
<p>You can also go here for interesting material from the same author:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell1.asp</a></p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Rhys Jaggar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rhys Jaggar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. You just can&#039;t trust pollsters, can you?
2. Access to Federal Money does not require votes from ordinary people.
3. Al Gore wants to make a lot of money. Just like investment bankers did.
4. And a few inconvenient truths aren&#039;t going to stop him on his quest.
5. Actually, Obama&#039;s plan for green energy is a healthy one. Nothing to do with global warming. Just to do with American energy self-sufficiency, creating American jobs and breaking the hegemony of foreign oil.
6. Same with recycling. It&#039;s a good idea. It&#039;s just that it has sweet zip to do with carbon dioxide.
7. The only thing is: unless there is Govt imposition of all of that, Al Gore might not make quite so much money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. You just can&#8217;t trust pollsters, can you?<br />
2. Access to Federal Money does not require votes from ordinary people.<br />
3. Al Gore wants to make a lot of money. Just like investment bankers did.<br />
4. And a few inconvenient truths aren&#8217;t going to stop him on his quest.<br />
5. Actually, Obama&#8217;s plan for green energy is a healthy one. Nothing to do with global warming. Just to do with American energy self-sufficiency, creating American jobs and breaking the hegemony of foreign oil.<br />
6. Same with recycling. It&#8217;s a good idea. It&#8217;s just that it has sweet zip to do with carbon dioxide.<br />
7. The only thing is: unless there is Govt imposition of all of that, Al Gore might not make quite so much money.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dee Norris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 12:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recommend Thomas Sowell&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465002609?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=denisenorrist-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0465002609&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Basic Economics&lt;/a&gt; manuscript as a rather interesting and engaging explanation of the dismal sciences.  

It highly rated and worth the read for the layman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recommend Thomas Sowell&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465002609?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=denisenorrist-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0465002609" rel="nofollow">Basic Economics</a> manuscript as a rather interesting and engaging explanation of the dismal sciences.  </p>
<p>It highly rated and worth the read for the layman.</p>
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		<title>By: JimB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 11:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela,
Just can&#039;t seem to get your head around this :)

&quot;The conservative side of things wants to do the SAME exact thing I have been talking about here but focus on a different income level (which begs the question, “Why is that not spreading the wealth around but when applied to the other end is?”).&quot;

This is once again, just plain false.

What you want to do is take money from me, MORE money, in fact, than is being taken now, and give it to others.

What the so-called conservatives want to do, is let me keep $.42 of MY OWN MONEY, instead of $.40.

That is very, very different.

Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela,<br />
Just can&#8217;t seem to get your head around this :)</p>
<p>&#8220;The conservative side of things wants to do the SAME exact thing I have been talking about here but focus on a different income level (which begs the question, “Why is that not spreading the wealth around but when applied to the other end is?”).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is once again, just plain false.</p>
<p>What you want to do is take money from me, MORE money, in fact, than is being taken now, and give it to others.</p>
<p>What the so-called conservatives want to do, is let me keep $.42 of MY OWN MONEY, instead of $.40.</p>
<p>That is very, very different.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 10:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;When, oh when are the so-called “intellectuals” of this world going to get it through their thick, counterintuitive skulls that they cannot extract both beef and milk from the same cow?&quot;

I don&#039;t know why Evan, but it seems like every few generations we must learn it again. Maybe schools should require that all teachers pass a test on the constitution. 

I just hope we don&#039;t elect Chairman Mao.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When, oh when are the so-called “intellectuals” of this world going to get it through their thick, counterintuitive skulls that they cannot extract both beef and milk from the same cow?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why Evan, but it seems like every few generations we must learn it again. Maybe schools should require that all teachers pass a test on the constitution. </p>
<p>I just hope we don&#8217;t elect Chairman Mao.</p>
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		<title>By: evanjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;How much more would you have me pay, Pamela? I get to keep $.40 of each dollar. Forty cents.&lt;/cite&gt;

Not to mention the tax hike that occurs every single year: Bracket creep.

I&#039;m dead poor. I have hopes of remedying this. But the LAST thing I need, the ONE thing that will doom my hopes is if some idiot with a bit of power decides to sock it to the rich. To all of you do-gooders out there who want to wreck Bill Gates in order to &quot;help&quot; me, I say, &quot;DON&#039;T ^%&amp;*&amp;$# HELP ME!&quot; I can&#039;t afford your kind of help! When, oh when are the so-called &quot;intellectuals&quot; of this world going to get it through their thick, counterintuitive skulls that they cannot extract both beef and milk from the same cow?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>How much more would you have me pay, Pamela? I get to keep $.40 of each dollar. Forty cents.</cite></p>
<p>Not to mention the tax hike that occurs every single year: Bracket creep.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m dead poor. I have hopes of remedying this. But the LAST thing I need, the ONE thing that will doom my hopes is if some idiot with a bit of power decides to sock it to the rich. To all of you do-gooders out there who want to wreck Bill Gates in order to &#8220;help&#8221; me, I say, &#8220;DON&#8217;T ^%&amp;*&amp;$# HELP ME!&#8221; I can&#8217;t afford your kind of help! When, oh when are the so-called &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; of this world going to get it through their thick, counterintuitive skulls that they cannot extract both beef and milk from the same cow?</p>
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		<title>By: evanjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah. Me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 05:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that socialism had died with the Soviet Union. I am very sorry that it seems to have only moved to the halls of academia. It seems we must repeat the failed experiment. God help us. God help our children. 

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. 
Are there any history teachers left?
Mike]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that socialism had died with the Soviet Union. I am very sorry that it seems to have only moved to the halls of academia. It seems we must repeat the failed experiment. God help us. God help our children. </p>
<p>Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.<br />
Are there any history teachers left?<br />
Mike</p>
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		<title>By: JimB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela Gray (09:54:17) :
&quot;The profits will not go to job creation or expanded industry. If it did, inventory would sit in warehouses, causing corporations to experience sharp tax increases on the overflow of unsold products.&quot;

Ummm....no.
Corporations get taxed on revenue, not unsold inventory.
And sorry...it may be &quot;Business 101&quot; in your view of the world, but that&#039;s about it.

evanjones (17:44:38) : 

Tax cuts for the middle class are fine.

Tax hikes for “the richest 5%” (who already pay 60% of the taxes), would be extremely stupid:

Exactly.
Pamela has never defined what the &quot;middle class&quot; is in her reckoning.  Btw...Obama has now moved this bar a couple of times in the last week.  It started off at $250,000...then it went to $200,000.  Now Biden says it&#039;s actually $120,000.

Figuring my paycheck?...when I add in the state and local taxes that I pay, including state sales tax and state income tax, on top of medicare and social security, I&#039;m paying roughly $.60 of every dollar I earn in taxes.

How much more would you have me pay, Pamela?  I get to keep $.40 of each dollar.  Forty cents.

Your analogies don&#039;t work, your math doesn&#039;t work, your economics don&#039;t work, and the tax policies you subscribe to are a fairy tail, and don&#039;t work.

Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela Gray (09:54:17) :<br />
&#8220;The profits will not go to job creation or expanded industry. If it did, inventory would sit in warehouses, causing corporations to experience sharp tax increases on the overflow of unsold products.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ummm&#8230;.no.<br />
Corporations get taxed on revenue, not unsold inventory.<br />
And sorry&#8230;it may be &#8220;Business 101&#8243; in your view of the world, but that&#8217;s about it.</p>
<p>evanjones (17:44:38) : </p>
<p>Tax cuts for the middle class are fine.</p>
<p>Tax hikes for “the richest 5%” (who already pay 60% of the taxes), would be extremely stupid:</p>
<p>Exactly.<br />
Pamela has never defined what the &#8220;middle class&#8221; is in her reckoning.  Btw&#8230;Obama has now moved this bar a couple of times in the last week.  It started off at $250,000&#8230;then it went to $200,000.  Now Biden says it&#8217;s actually $120,000.</p>
<p>Figuring my paycheck?&#8230;when I add in the state and local taxes that I pay, including state sales tax and state income tax, on top of medicare and social security, I&#8217;m paying roughly $.60 of every dollar I earn in taxes.</p>
<p>How much more would you have me pay, Pamela?  I get to keep $.40 of each dollar.  Forty cents.</p>
<p>Your analogies don&#8217;t work, your math doesn&#8217;t work, your economics don&#8217;t work, and the tax policies you subscribe to are a fairy tail, and don&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Jim</p>
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		<title>By: evanjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 04:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;That leads us back to business class 101. The most efficient fix for a tanking economy (without wage increased inflation) is to bring back enough income padding to the majority of potential buyers that they once again start spending discretionary income on goods and services.&lt;/cite&gt;

Actually, I&#039;d argue that the Kennedy/Reagan approach was far more efficient. The result of the JFK/RR policies was the padding. That way the workers-with-money and the goods were available at the same time. Welfare for the middle class mainly creates inflation.

Tax cuts are fine, but they need to be across the board.

The Laffer Curve rules. Perhaps that reflects badly on the morals of  humanity. But it rules. Like it or lump it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>That leads us back to business class 101. The most efficient fix for a tanking economy (without wage increased inflation) is to bring back enough income padding to the majority of potential buyers that they once again start spending discretionary income on goods and services.</cite></p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;d argue that the Kennedy/Reagan approach was far more efficient. The result of the JFK/RR policies was the padding. That way the workers-with-money and the goods were available at the same time. Welfare for the middle class mainly creates inflation.</p>
<p>Tax cuts are fine, but they need to be across the board.</p>
<p>The Laffer Curve rules. Perhaps that reflects badly on the morals of  humanity. But it rules. Like it or lump it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Case</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Case]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 03:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Global Warming is Crap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global Warming is Crap!</p>
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		<title>By: evanjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tax cuts for the middle class are fine.

Tax hikes for &quot;the richest 5%&quot; (who already pay 60% of the taxes), would be  extremely stupid: it will cost jobs and DECREASE revenues that would otherwise be collected. A tax hike &quot;on the rich&quot; WILL NOT INCREASE REVENUES.

I repeat: Before the bulk of the &quot;tax cuts for the rich&quot;, the richest 1% paid 33% of revenues. After the &quot;tax cuts for the rich&quot; the richest 1% paid 40%. And the revenue base went &#039;WAY up.

To soak the 5% who are already paying 60% of the pile is also immoral. But I&#039;ll go with the dude who said, &quot;It&#039;s worse than a crime. it&#039;s a blunder.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tax cuts for the middle class are fine.</p>
<p>Tax hikes for &#8220;the richest 5%&#8221; (who already pay 60% of the taxes), would be  extremely stupid: it will cost jobs and DECREASE revenues that would otherwise be collected. A tax hike &#8220;on the rich&#8221; WILL NOT INCREASE REVENUES.</p>
<p>I repeat: Before the bulk of the &#8220;tax cuts for the rich&#8221;, the richest 1% paid 33% of revenues. After the &#8220;tax cuts for the rich&#8221; the richest 1% paid 40%. And the revenue base went &#8216;WAY up.</p>
<p>To soak the 5% who are already paying 60% of the pile is also immoral. But I&#8217;ll go with the dude who said, &#8220;It&#8217;s worse than a crime. it&#8217;s a blunder.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bush sent us a one-time cash amount to jumpstart the economy.  It did.  And immediately.  But we all knew it was a one-shot deal and there was no consumer confidence behind it to keep things rolling.  It also increased the deficit because it was not balanced by a tax increase somewhere else or a spending freeze.  However, the decision to put some extra cash into the pockets of spenders was sound and based on an elementary understanding of where economic growth comes from, from spenders demanding and buying goods and services.  Something like that worked into a tax break that sunsets would be a good thing to try, as long as there is a balance somewhere else.  To not balance it immediately runs the risk of deficit increase.  

The conservative side of things wants to do the SAME exact thing I have been talking about here but focus on a different income level (which begs the question, &quot;Why is that not spreading the wealth around but when applied to the other end is?&quot;).  There is an old saying the Bible, &quot;A worker is worth his wages.&quot;  Just because you flip hamburgers for a living on minimum wage does not make you less worthy of a tax break than someone who owns the franchise, even given the fact that 38% of tax payers do not pay income tax.  But to be clear, they pay other taxes, so they do pay taxes of some kind.  The problem is that the conservative plans so far do not come with a balance of a tax increase somewhere else and instead hopes that the economy will pick up.  This is too risky given our current deficit and economic down turn.  I don&#039;t think that plan = good fiscal policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush sent us a one-time cash amount to jumpstart the economy.  It did.  And immediately.  But we all knew it was a one-shot deal and there was no consumer confidence behind it to keep things rolling.  It also increased the deficit because it was not balanced by a tax increase somewhere else or a spending freeze.  However, the decision to put some extra cash into the pockets of spenders was sound and based on an elementary understanding of where economic growth comes from, from spenders demanding and buying goods and services.  Something like that worked into a tax break that sunsets would be a good thing to try, as long as there is a balance somewhere else.  To not balance it immediately runs the risk of deficit increase.  </p>
<p>The conservative side of things wants to do the SAME exact thing I have been talking about here but focus on a different income level (which begs the question, &#8220;Why is that not spreading the wealth around but when applied to the other end is?&#8221;).  There is an old saying the Bible, &#8220;A worker is worth his wages.&#8221;  Just because you flip hamburgers for a living on minimum wage does not make you less worthy of a tax break than someone who owns the franchise, even given the fact that 38% of tax payers do not pay income tax.  But to be clear, they pay other taxes, so they do pay taxes of some kind.  The problem is that the conservative plans so far do not come with a balance of a tax increase somewhere else and instead hopes that the economy will pick up.  This is too risky given our current deficit and economic down turn.  I don&#8217;t think that plan = good fiscal policy.</p>
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		<title>By: edcon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[edcon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pamela Gray (09:54:17) : 

Business 101:

You might call this basic econ 101 but your wording in &quot;Current Event&quot; indicates the need for a bottom up economy that always fails and reminds me of a presidential candidate in favor of such an economy.  The padding just increases the national debt and usually is of short duration.  We have had too many bail outs already and padding is just another bail out.]]></description>
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<p>Business 101:</p>
<p>You might call this basic econ 101 but your wording in &#8220;Current Event&#8221; indicates the need for a bottom up economy that always fails and reminds me of a presidential candidate in favor of such an economy.  The padding just increases the national debt and usually is of short duration.  We have had too many bail outs already and padding is just another bail out.</p>
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