<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states</title>
	<atom:link href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/</link>
	<description>Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, weather, climate change, technology, and recent news by Anthony Watts</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:48:30 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: evanjones</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-58890</link>
		<dc:creator>evanjones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-58890</guid>
		<description>&lt;cite&gt;A quick google search finds very warm temps in the US in October &lt;/cite&gt;

A quick look at the revised October GISS map shows the lower 48 as well below average. And for GISS, &quot;average&quot; is 1951 - 1980. (I&#039;ve even seen comment that this may be a US conspiracy to prove they are not responsible for GW in order to dodge Kyoto!)

&lt;cite&gt;You can see a classic -ive PDO, I notice that the vast majority of the cold temperatures are on the west and would be immediately affected by the -ive PDO.&lt;/cite&gt;

Well, yeah. That&#039;s the point, isn&#039;t it? PDO flipped warm in 1976. It turned cold after the El Nino ending in 2007. And look at the other five warm/cool multidecadal cycles. They went from cold to warm from 1977 to 2001. Now it looks as if the AO also has done a turn and the NAO may be about to follow suit. Draw it all back further to the 1920s. Do we see a pattern here?

There are underlying factors, I am sure: &quot;recovery&quot; from the end of the LIA (c. 1840), an increase in solar activity and now a huge drop. And yes, human influence, including land use and soot (and even a teeny bit of direct CO2, but without feedback loops).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>A quick google search finds very warm temps in the US in October </cite></p>
<p>A quick look at the revised October GISS map shows the lower 48 as well below average. And for GISS, &#8220;average&#8221; is 1951 &#8211; 1980. (I&#8217;ve even seen comment that this may be a US conspiracy to prove they are not responsible for GW in order to dodge Kyoto!)</p>
<p><cite>You can see a classic -ive PDO, I notice that the vast majority of the cold temperatures are on the west and would be immediately affected by the -ive PDO.</cite></p>
<p>Well, yeah. That&#8217;s the point, isn&#8217;t it? PDO flipped warm in 1976. It turned cold after the El Nino ending in 2007. And look at the other five warm/cool multidecadal cycles. They went from cold to warm from 1977 to 2001. Now it looks as if the AO also has done a turn and the NAO may be about to follow suit. Draw it all back further to the 1920s. Do we see a pattern here?</p>
<p>There are underlying factors, I am sure: &#8220;recovery&#8221; from the end of the LIA (c. 1840), an increase in solar activity and now a huge drop. And yes, human influence, including land use and soot (and even a teeny bit of direct CO2, but without feedback loops).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-58888</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-58888</guid>
		<description>Quote &quot;This is purely anecdotal but I think southeastern Michigan had a warmer than average summer.&quot;

You clearly must live in some other SE Michigan than I. We couldn&#039;t plant flowers, nor had leaves on the trees till late in the season. Only had the AC on twice. It was the summer that never happened. Same as four years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote &#8220;This is purely anecdotal but I think southeastern Michigan had a warmer than average summer.&#8221;</p>
<p>You clearly must live in some other SE Michigan than I. We couldn&#8217;t plant flowers, nor had leaves on the trees till late in the season. Only had the AC on twice. It was the summer that never happened. Same as four years ago.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-53444</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-53444</guid>
		<description>Gene L (09:08:30)  He&#039;s becoming an object of ridicule, hasn&#039;t he, poor guy.  I really believe that Hansen started out with good intentions, to save the world, but somewhere along the way he&#039;s gone off the path of objective science, and is leading us to Hell.
===================================</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene L (09:08:30)  He&#8217;s becoming an object of ridicule, hasn&#8217;t he, poor guy.  I really believe that Hansen started out with good intentions, to save the world, but somewhere along the way he&#8217;s gone off the path of objective science, and is leading us to Hell.<br />
===================================</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Gene L</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-53363</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-53363</guid>
		<description>Clearly these temperatures are due to instrument bias of unknown origin. For this, we need to call upon the learned James Hansen. Under his carful attention, I&#039;m certasin they can make corrections to the datasets for said biases of unknown origin and show the continued warming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly these temperatures are due to instrument bias of unknown origin. For this, we need to call upon the learned James Hansen. Under his carful attention, I&#8217;m certasin they can make corrections to the datasets for said biases of unknown origin and show the continued warming&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jennifer Marohasy &#187; News Reports for October Indicate Global Cooling</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-53298</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Marohasy &#187; News Reports for October Indicate Global Cooling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-53298</guid>
		<description>[...] Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states - From Meteorologist Anthony Watts – October 26, 2008. Excerpt: As many readers know, we’ve had an earlier than normal start to fall weather in the USA, and the cold just keeps on coming. Here is a summary of record low temperatures seen recently, courtesy of this website called IceAgeNow. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states &#8211; From Meteorologist Anthony Watts – October 26, 2008. Excerpt: As many readers know, we’ve had an earlier than normal start to fall weather in the USA, and the cold just keeps on coming. Here is a summary of record low temperatures seen recently, courtesy of this website called IceAgeNow. <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/</a> [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mangan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-53286</link>
		<dc:creator>Mangan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-53286</guid>
		<description>Spell errors removed:

In case we&#039;ll have a stable climate the political bandwagon claims which claims that the western world must stop its industries may rephrase it as Climate Something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spell errors removed:</p>
<p>In case we&#8217;ll have a stable climate the political bandwagon claims which claims that the western world must stop its industries may rephrase it as Climate Something&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mangan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-53285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mangan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-53285</guid>
		<description>In case there will be stable climate the political bandwagon which claims that the western world must stop its indutries they maybe rephrased it as &lt;b&gt;Climate Something&lt;/b&gt;.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case there will be stable climate the political bandwagon which claims that the western world must stop its indutries they maybe rephrased it as <b>Climate Something</b>.  ;)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-53137</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Gulrud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-53137</guid>
		<description>One source for GCM implementation: mitgcm.org.  Have another pint and look it over.

The little brown and black catepillars are banded to half their length.  I say La Nina is returning by the end of Nov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One source for GCM implementation: mitgcm.org.  Have another pint and look it over.</p>
<p>The little brown and black catepillars are banded to half their length.  I say La Nina is returning by the end of Nov.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Niels A Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52906</link>
		<dc:creator>Niels A Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52906</guid>
		<description>Flanagan: “..temperatures at altitudes of about 36 000 feet, where temps should be stable or slightly cooling over time.”

and: &quot;References available upon request.&quot;

I already asked for a reference but I&#039;ll gladly do it again. Even a Realclimate reference will be appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanagan: “..temperatures at altitudes of about 36 000 feet, where temps should be stable or slightly cooling over time.”</p>
<p>and: &#8220;References available upon request.&#8221;</p>
<p>I already asked for a reference but I&#8217;ll gladly do it again. Even a Realclimate reference will be appreciated.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52892</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52892</guid>
		<description>Flanagan (01:05:17)  Sorry to be so snide, but I was fresh from commenting with Phil. and Mary Hinge.  Whether the sun is entering a minimum like the Dalton or Maunder, and whether or not that is connected to global temperatures is not determined, yet, and may not ever become predictable, but that has little to do with Cycle 24 starting back up.  The sun cycles, seemingly inevitably, whether it is in a minimum or a maximum or in between.  The questions of the energy it puts out depend on cycle length and strength, but a good correlation with earth&#039;s temperatures is yet to be shown.  

Most of we sunworshippers trust, not know, that the sun does regulate the globe&#039;s climate.  I believe the mechanism by which it does is modulated through clouds, maybe and maybe not cosmic rays, and the oceanic oscillations.  Figuring out the precise mechanisms is beyond human understanding, but perhaps not for much longer.
============================================</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanagan (01:05:17)  Sorry to be so snide, but I was fresh from commenting with Phil. and Mary Hinge.  Whether the sun is entering a minimum like the Dalton or Maunder, and whether or not that is connected to global temperatures is not determined, yet, and may not ever become predictable, but that has little to do with Cycle 24 starting back up.  The sun cycles, seemingly inevitably, whether it is in a minimum or a maximum or in between.  The questions of the energy it puts out depend on cycle length and strength, but a good correlation with earth&#8217;s temperatures is yet to be shown.  </p>
<p>Most of we sunworshippers trust, not know, that the sun does regulate the globe&#8217;s climate.  I believe the mechanism by which it does is modulated through clouds, maybe and maybe not cosmic rays, and the oceanic oscillations.  Figuring out the precise mechanisms is beyond human understanding, but perhaps not for much longer.<br />
============================================</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52889</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52889</guid>
		<description>Flanagan (01:05:17)   Don&#039;t let Lief Svalgaard see this post.  What about Solar Cycle 24 starting up makes you think that will warm the globe back up?  There is a big prize for the mechanism you suggest you have.
==========================================</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanagan (01:05:17)   Don&#8217;t let Lief Svalgaard see this post.  What about Solar Cycle 24 starting up makes you think that will warm the globe back up?  There is a big prize for the mechanism you suggest you have.<br />
==========================================</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kim</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52887</link>
		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52887</guid>
		<description>Mary Hinge (02:02:36)  You make yourself foolish when you keep repeating that there will be no La Nina these coming eight months when the NOAA CFS ensemble graph clearly shows a nice dip of the curve well into next year.  Why don&#039;t you refer to that graph?  It puts a lie to all your confabulating efforts.  I know it&#039;s a projection, and this SH summer may well have an ENSO that is neutral, but the NOAA&#039;s one picture is much more convincing than all your thousands of words.  Is that why you won&#039;t follow my reference?
===============================</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hinge (02:02:36)  You make yourself foolish when you keep repeating that there will be no La Nina these coming eight months when the NOAA CFS ensemble graph clearly shows a nice dip of the curve well into next year.  Why don&#8217;t you refer to that graph?  It puts a lie to all your confabulating efforts.  I know it&#8217;s a projection, and this SH summer may well have an ENSO that is neutral, but the NOAA&#8217;s one picture is much more convincing than all your thousands of words.  Is that why you won&#8217;t follow my reference?<br />
===============================</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mary Hinge</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52868</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Hinge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52868</guid>
		<description>Basil (12:29:56) : 
&quot;It sounds like maybe you are trying to say that the PDO is ultimately neutral with respect to long term global temperature trends&quot;

The PDO itself is approximately neutral which is why it should be described as a negative (which is what is happening now) and positive. the terms &#039;cool&#039; phase and &#039;warm&#039; phase are misleading. (look at recent SST anomoly maps to see why.
The PDO has historically had an effect on ENSO and it is this that can produce significant warming or cooling. Generally a -ive PDO increases probability of more frequent and stronger La Ninas and the +ive phase more and stronger El Nino. We had a strong La NIna a few months ago that falls into the pattern but to show it is only increased probability rather than a PDO direct cause, the ENSO will be neutral this SH summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basil (12:29:56) :<br />
&#8220;It sounds like maybe you are trying to say that the PDO is ultimately neutral with respect to long term global temperature trends&#8221;</p>
<p>The PDO itself is approximately neutral which is why it should be described as a negative (which is what is happening now) and positive. the terms &#8216;cool&#8217; phase and &#8216;warm&#8217; phase are misleading. (look at recent SST anomoly maps to see why.<br />
The PDO has historically had an effect on ENSO and it is this that can produce significant warming or cooling. Generally a -ive PDO increases probability of more frequent and stronger La Ninas and the +ive phase more and stronger El Nino. We had a strong La NIna a few months ago that falls into the pattern but to show it is only increased probability rather than a PDO direct cause, the ENSO will be neutral this SH summer.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Flanagan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52860</link>
		<dc:creator>Flanagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52860</guid>
		<description>Hi there,

I&#039;m not excited about a 1-week trend. Since the end of la nina, global temperatures keep increasing. So, we&#039;re basically at the same temperature as last year rightnow. We&#039;ll see in 2009 what&#039;s going to happen, but since the solar cycle (finally) seems to have started, we should see a nice increase. 

The global circulation models (which are not &quot;mine&quot; by the way) predict troposphere warming and a &quot;hot spot&quot; a little above it, as can be read in the IPCC report or (if you prefer blogs) at Real Climate. This trend is confirmed by measurements, even at the tropics where people thought for some time that the hot spot was not present. References available upon request.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not excited about a 1-week trend. Since the end of la nina, global temperatures keep increasing. So, we&#8217;re basically at the same temperature as last year rightnow. We&#8217;ll see in 2009 what&#8217;s going to happen, but since the solar cycle (finally) seems to have started, we should see a nice increase. </p>
<p>The global circulation models (which are not &#8220;mine&#8221; by the way) predict troposphere warming and a &#8220;hot spot&#8221; a little above it, as can be read in the IPCC report or (if you prefer blogs) at Real Climate. This trend is confirmed by measurements, even at the tropics where people thought for some time that the hot spot was not present. References available upon request.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bill Jamison</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52852</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52852</guid>
		<description>RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE
1245 PM EDT WED OCT 29 2008

...LOW TEMPERATURE SHATTERS RECORDS AT JACKSONVILLE THIS MORNING...

THE TEMPERATURE AT JACKSONVILLE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT DROPPED TO 33
DEGREES AT 743 AM THIS MORNING...SETTING A NEW RECORD FOR THE DATE.
THE PREVIOUS RECORD WAS 39 DEGREES SET IN 1987.

&lt;b&gt;NOT ONLY WAS THIS A NEW RECORD FOR THE DAY...IT IS ALSO THE COLDEST
TEMPERATURE ON RECORD FOR OCTOBER GOING BACK TO 1871...AND...IT IS
THE COLDEST READING SO EARLY IN THE FALL SEASON.&lt;/b&gt;

LOW TEMPERATURES ELSEWHERE AROUND JACKSONVILLE INCLUDE...

CECIL FIELD....... 30 DEGREES
CRAIG FIELD....... 38 DEGREES
JACKSONVILLE NAS.. 38 DEGREES
MAYPORT NS........ 41 DEGREES

Lots of low temperature records being set from North Carolina down to the Florida panhandle.

Meanwhile, the weather has been amazing here in San Diego and the monthly average is about 4 degrees above normal. Oct 2008 is the first month in at least 18 months that was above normal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RECORD EVENT REPORT<br />
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE<br />
1245 PM EDT WED OCT 29 2008</p>
<p>&#8230;LOW TEMPERATURE SHATTERS RECORDS AT JACKSONVILLE THIS MORNING&#8230;</p>
<p>THE TEMPERATURE AT JACKSONVILLE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT DROPPED TO 33<br />
DEGREES AT 743 AM THIS MORNING&#8230;SETTING A NEW RECORD FOR THE DATE.<br />
THE PREVIOUS RECORD WAS 39 DEGREES SET IN 1987.</p>
<p><b>NOT ONLY WAS THIS A NEW RECORD FOR THE DAY&#8230;IT IS ALSO THE COLDEST<br />
TEMPERATURE ON RECORD FOR OCTOBER GOING BACK TO 1871&#8230;AND&#8230;IT IS<br />
THE COLDEST READING SO EARLY IN THE FALL SEASON.</b></p>
<p>LOW TEMPERATURES ELSEWHERE AROUND JACKSONVILLE INCLUDE&#8230;</p>
<p>CECIL FIELD&#8230;&#8230;. 30 DEGREES<br />
CRAIG FIELD&#8230;&#8230;. 38 DEGREES<br />
JACKSONVILLE NAS.. 38 DEGREES<br />
MAYPORT NS&#8230;&#8230;.. 41 DEGREES</p>
<p>Lots of low temperature records being set from North Carolina down to the Florida panhandle.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the weather has been amazing here in San Diego and the monthly average is about 4 degrees above normal. Oct 2008 is the first month in at least 18 months that was above normal.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: One of the most interesting sources of news about science and nature! &#171; Fabius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52829</link>
		<dc:creator>One of the most interesting sources of news about science and nature! &#171; Fabius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52829</guid>
		<description>[...] &#8220;Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states&#8220;, 26 October 2008 &#8212; Excerpt: As many readers know, we&#8217;ve had an earlier than [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Chill in the air: record low temps in 10 states&#8220;, 26 October 2008 &#8212; Excerpt: As many readers know, we&#8217;ve had an earlier than [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve Berry</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52702</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52702</guid>
		<description>The snow we had here in the UK yesterday was the first October snow since 1934, with some parts reaching -4 degrees C!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The snow we had here in the UK yesterday was the first October snow since 1934, with some parts reaching -4 degrees C!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steve Berry</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52700</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52700</guid>
		<description>Basil, like I said...straws and grasping!  If there&#039;s warming, then it&#039;s warming.  If there&#039;s cooling then it&#039;s weather, oh unless it&#039;s noise.  A trend is applicable if it suits AGW, but too short if it doesn&#039;t.  A freak weather event is indicative of climate change - even though there have always been freak weather events.  A freak weather event of a cooling nature is indicative of extreme weather being caused by climate change.  Adjustment of data will result in warming.  Arctic or Antarctic melt is to be publicised as proof of AGW.  Arctic or Antarctic ice build is actually caused by climate change, and is predicted in the models.  Sea level rise is due to warming oceans.  Sea level falls are indicative that the warming is being stored and will result in even worse sea level rises in the near future.  Finally, rising temperatures are due to AGW.  Falling temperatures are merely masking underlying rising temperatures which will rebound with a vengeance.

You can&#039;t win.  The Marys of this world will do their best to see to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basil, like I said&#8230;straws and grasping!  If there&#8217;s warming, then it&#8217;s warming.  If there&#8217;s cooling then it&#8217;s weather, oh unless it&#8217;s noise.  A trend is applicable if it suits AGW, but too short if it doesn&#8217;t.  A freak weather event is indicative of climate change &#8211; even though there have always been freak weather events.  A freak weather event of a cooling nature is indicative of extreme weather being caused by climate change.  Adjustment of data will result in warming.  Arctic or Antarctic melt is to be publicised as proof of AGW.  Arctic or Antarctic ice build is actually caused by climate change, and is predicted in the models.  Sea level rise is due to warming oceans.  Sea level falls are indicative that the warming is being stored and will result in even worse sea level rises in the near future.  Finally, rising temperatures are due to AGW.  Falling temperatures are merely masking underlying rising temperatures which will rebound with a vengeance.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t win.  The Marys of this world will do their best to see to that.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Basil</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52684</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52684</guid>
		<description>Flanagan (01:45:38) :

&lt;i&gt;Did anyone notice that the AMSU global temperatures are rightnow simply the highest ever measured for this time of the year? This once again points in the direction that temperatures are increasing again after the huge la nina we had… So much for the “predicted” global cooling…&lt;/i&gt;

You are getting excited about a trend that is only a week old?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flanagan (01:45:38) :</p>
<p><i>Did anyone notice that the AMSU global temperatures are rightnow simply the highest ever measured for this time of the year? This once again points in the direction that temperatures are increasing again after the huge la nina we had… So much for the “predicted” global cooling…</i></p>
<p>You are getting excited about a trend that is only a week old?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Basil</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/26/chill-in-the-air-record-low-temps-in-10-states/#comment-52681</link>
		<dc:creator>Basil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/?p=3845#comment-52681</guid>
		<description>Mary Hinge (09:03:57) :

&lt;i&gt;Do you fully understand what a PDO is and how it affects global temperature, not just USA temperatures? The PDO itself doesn’t affect global temperatures, it’s how it affects the ENSO that determines global temperatures. It was the La nina earlier this year/last year that caused global temperatures to falls lightly, now that effect is diminished we are seeing lower troposphere temperatures rise (as Flanagan pointed out earlier).&lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s go with this for a minute.  It sounds like maybe you are trying to say that the PDO is ultimately neutral with respect to long term global temperature trends.  Okay, say that it is.  If you&#039;ve made any serious study of long term temperature trends, you&#039;ll know that most of the &quot;global warming&quot; of the second half of the 20th century coincides with the 1976 &quot;great climate shift&quot; flip of the PDO to its warm phase.  So if we&#039;re going to &quot;ignore&quot; the current cooling because it is just the PDO, then we likewise need to ignore most, or maybe even all, of the warming from 1976-2000 because it was just the PDO.

What&#039;s sauce for the goose...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Hinge (09:03:57) :</p>
<p><i>Do you fully understand what a PDO is and how it affects global temperature, not just USA temperatures? The PDO itself doesn’t affect global temperatures, it’s how it affects the ENSO that determines global temperatures. It was the La nina earlier this year/last year that caused global temperatures to falls lightly, now that effect is diminished we are seeing lower troposphere temperatures rise (as Flanagan pointed out earlier).</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s go with this for a minute.  It sounds like maybe you are trying to say that the PDO is ultimately neutral with respect to long term global temperature trends.  Okay, say that it is.  If you&#8217;ve made any serious study of long term temperature trends, you&#8217;ll know that most of the &#8220;global warming&#8221; of the second half of the 20th century coincides with the 1976 &#8220;great climate shift&#8221; flip of the PDO to its warm phase.  So if we&#8217;re going to &#8220;ignore&#8221; the current cooling because it is just the PDO, then we likewise need to ignore most, or maybe even all, of the warming from 1976-2000 because it was just the PDO.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s sauce for the goose&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
