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		<title>By: The Global Warming &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comment on Winds are Dominant Cause of Greenland and West &#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Warmist Alarmist &#8220;Someone, somewhere, is not telling the truth&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Zipline Conservative</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] predictions of an ice-free arctic in 2008 were simply wrong. Furthermore, most MSM outlets quoted two studies that pointed to &#8220;winds&#8221; and &#8220;circulation&#8221;, not global warming, as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] predictions of an ice-free arctic in 2008 were simply wrong. Furthermore, most MSM outlets quoted two studies that pointed to &#8220;winds&#8221; and &#8220;circulation&#8221;, not global warming, as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lysenkoism and Global Warming. Updated. &#171; Bear Diaries</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lysenkoism and Global Warming. Updated. &#171; Bear Diaries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] predictions of an ice-free arctic in 2008 were simply wrong. Furthermore, most MSM outlets quoted two studies that pointed to &#8220;winds&#8221; and &#8220;circulation&#8221;, not global warming, as [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] predictions of an ice-free arctic in 2008 were simply wrong. Furthermore, most MSM outlets quoted two studies that pointed to &#8220;winds&#8221; and &#8220;circulation&#8221;, not global warming, as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Winds are Dominant Cause of Greenland and West Antarctic Ice Sheet Losses</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Winds are Dominant Cause of Greenland and West Antarctic Ice Sheet Losses]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: evanjones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[evanjones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 05:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;I know nothing, I have not been peer-reviewed.&lt;/cite&gt;

Peer and ye shall find.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>I know nothing, I have not been peer-reviewed.</cite></p>
<p>Peer and ye shall find.</p>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/03/winds-are-dominant-cause-of-greenland-and-west-antarctic-ice-sheet-losses/#comment-46405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MattN</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/03/winds-are-dominant-cause-of-greenland-and-west-antarctic-ice-sheet-losses/#comment-46403</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MattN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UAH data is up http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UAH data is up <a href="http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2" rel="nofollow">http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/03/winds-are-dominant-cause-of-greenland-and-west-antarctic-ice-sheet-losses/#comment-46393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The signal/noise ratio is getting bad enough without Yaakoba. What if her whole tribe shows up?&quot;

Careful, friend, &quot;He brings rain to fall on both the heads of the righteous and the wicked&quot;.

Your current estate is not an end.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The signal/noise ratio is getting bad enough without Yaakoba. What if her whole tribe shows up?&#8221;</p>
<p>Careful, friend, &#8220;He brings rain to fall on both the heads of the righteous and the wicked&#8221;.</p>
<p>Your current estate is not an end.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&amp;year=2008&amp;month=10&amp;day=7&amp;units=e

Probably doesn&#039;t mean anything, but the deepest snow in the continental US on 10/7/06 was about 18&#039;. 
10/7/07 was about 37&#039;
10/7/08 is about 50&#039; today.

Must be in the rockies somewhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&#038;year=2008&#038;month=10&#038;day=7&#038;units=e" rel="nofollow">http://www.nohrsc.noaa.gov/nsa/index.html?region=National&#038;year=2008&#038;month=10&#038;day=7&#038;units=e</a></p>
<p>Probably doesn&#8217;t mean anything, but the deepest snow in the continental US on 10/7/06 was about 18&#8242;.<br />
10/7/07 was about 37&#8242;<br />
10/7/08 is about 50&#8242; today.</p>
<p>Must be in the rockies somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kohl,
Can you imagine spending your life in the belief that each breath you take harms your own grandchildren? And then, as you hold that belief, you must drive vehicles and use other things that expel this same poisonous gas in order to make a living. 
If I held those beliefs, I don&#039;t see how I could function at all. 
However some of these people that hold this terrible contradiction within themselves, Have the nerve to berate you and me for doing the things that they do themselves. 
I really think it is time that some leader of the AGW proponents leads the way for these poor souls to a better and cleaner CO2 free existence.
If something like this were to really happen I would be able to hold this group in very high regard. As it stands, however, they are only living a lie.
I really, really do feel sorry for all who find themselves in this moral bind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kohl,<br />
Can you imagine spending your life in the belief that each breath you take harms your own grandchildren? And then, as you hold that belief, you must drive vehicles and use other things that expel this same poisonous gas in order to make a living.<br />
If I held those beliefs, I don&#8217;t see how I could function at all.<br />
However some of these people that hold this terrible contradiction within themselves, Have the nerve to berate you and me for doing the things that they do themselves.<br />
I really think it is time that some leader of the AGW proponents leads the way for these poor souls to a better and cleaner CO2 free existence.<br />
If something like this were to really happen I would be able to hold this group in very high regard. As it stands, however, they are only living a lie.<br />
I really, really do feel sorry for all who find themselves in this moral bind.</p>
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		<title>By: Burch Seymour</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Burch Seymour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting... And, at the risk of stating the bloody obvious, I&#039;ve been wondering when we&#039;d discuss the cause of the ice melt.  As one who lives in snow country (Chicagoland), I know that a few degrees in temp don&#039;t matter all that much, at least when considering the melt rate of those big parking lot snow/ice-bergs we accumulate over the course of a winter. I&#039;m not sure how well these things scale, but rain, wind, and sunlight will melt things faster than a small increase in air temp. Heat transport is key.  A constant flow of above-freezing water or air will transport more heat than static air. I&#039;ve seen big snow piles disappear in a day of brisk breezes, leaving only the piles that were shielded from the wind by a structure. Rain works even faster.

My driveway faces south, and even when the temp is well below freezing, on a sunny day, any snow accumulation will melt, whereas the folks across the street (in the shade) maintain their snow cover. The sun heats my black driveway to a temp far higher than ambient air, and well above freezing, and the stuff melts, or sublimates, but in any case it&#039;s almost always gone by the time I return from work.

Alton Brown - host/creator of the show &quot;Good Eats&quot; on the Food Network did an experiment thawing a duck-shaped ice cubes on one of his shows.  See scene 6 and 7 here:

http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season3/Duck/DuckTranscript.htm

The result was that cold, slow running water melted the ice faster than a 200 degree oven (non-convection I assume). 

FWIW....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; And, at the risk of stating the bloody obvious, I&#8217;ve been wondering when we&#8217;d discuss the cause of the ice melt.  As one who lives in snow country (Chicagoland), I know that a few degrees in temp don&#8217;t matter all that much, at least when considering the melt rate of those big parking lot snow/ice-bergs we accumulate over the course of a winter. I&#8217;m not sure how well these things scale, but rain, wind, and sunlight will melt things faster than a small increase in air temp. Heat transport is key.  A constant flow of above-freezing water or air will transport more heat than static air. I&#8217;ve seen big snow piles disappear in a day of brisk breezes, leaving only the piles that were shielded from the wind by a structure. Rain works even faster.</p>
<p>My driveway faces south, and even when the temp is well below freezing, on a sunny day, any snow accumulation will melt, whereas the folks across the street (in the shade) maintain their snow cover. The sun heats my black driveway to a temp far higher than ambient air, and well above freezing, and the stuff melts, or sublimates, but in any case it&#8217;s almost always gone by the time I return from work.</p>
<p>Alton Brown &#8211; host/creator of the show &#8220;Good Eats&#8221; on the Food Network did an experiment thawing a duck-shaped ice cubes on one of his shows.  See scene 6 and 7 here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season3/Duck/DuckTranscript.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Season3/Duck/DuckTranscript.htm</a></p>
<p>The result was that cold, slow running water melted the ice faster than a 200 degree oven (non-convection I assume). </p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek D</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Derek D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me see if I have this right.  So warm winds and currents have shifted northward?

I mean sure this would explain melting arctic ice, melting glaciers in greenland, warmer oceans at more northern latitudes, and hurricanes reachig Maine.   It also explains cooling in the southern hemisphere and extensive ice GROWTH and record snowfalls and ice in Antarctica.  And sure it makes sense that most of the population lives in the northern hemisphere making it appear to the majority that the world that they know is heating.   

However I have been indoctrinated to the church of GLobal Warming and therefore cannot accept such a logical, and scientifically complete conclusion.  Obviously this study was funded by ExxonMobil and GW Bush (using money he stole from black people).  It is well known that CO2 causes air pollution, acid rain, nuclear fallout, teen pregnancy,  and AIDS.  The science is settled.  You&#039;re all stupid jerks, you don&#039;t care about the earth or it&#039;s children and you won&#039;t stop until all of the polar bears are dead.  How much did Dick Cheney pay you to spread this propaganda?

I will now put my fingers in my ears, close my eyes and hold my breath until you all stop talking about this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me see if I have this right.  So warm winds and currents have shifted northward?</p>
<p>I mean sure this would explain melting arctic ice, melting glaciers in greenland, warmer oceans at more northern latitudes, and hurricanes reachig Maine.   It also explains cooling in the southern hemisphere and extensive ice GROWTH and record snowfalls and ice in Antarctica.  And sure it makes sense that most of the population lives in the northern hemisphere making it appear to the majority that the world that they know is heating.   </p>
<p>However I have been indoctrinated to the church of GLobal Warming and therefore cannot accept such a logical, and scientifically complete conclusion.  Obviously this study was funded by ExxonMobil and GW Bush (using money he stole from black people).  It is well known that CO2 causes air pollution, acid rain, nuclear fallout, teen pregnancy,  and AIDS.  The science is settled.  You&#8217;re all stupid jerks, you don&#8217;t care about the earth or it&#8217;s children and you won&#8217;t stop until all of the polar bears are dead.  How much did Dick Cheney pay you to spread this propaganda?</p>
<p>I will now put my fingers in my ears, close my eyes and hold my breath until you all stop talking about this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 10-06-08 &#124; Drive Time Happy Hour</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[10-06-08 &#124; Drive Time Happy Hour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] TigerHawk: So, you think that climate change is responsible for melting the ice in the Arctic Sea and thereby, allegedly, endangering the polar bear? Are you among those who attacked Sarah Palin for opposing the designation of the polar bear as endangered because of climate change? Well, there is some new science you need to read. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TigerHawk: So, you think that climate change is responsible for melting the ice in the Arctic Sea and thereby, allegedly, endangering the polar bear? Are you among those who attacked Sarah Palin for opposing the designation of the polar bear as endangered because of climate change? Well, there is some new science you need to read. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be assured, Yakooba Yertelsdotter, that it is turtles all the way down.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be assured, Yakooba Yertelsdotter, that it is turtles all the way down.<br />
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		<title>By: rutger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rutger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its refreezing a lot faster than normal, its all that 1 year old water iquess  :)

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its refreezing a lot faster than normal, its all that 1 year old water iquess  :)</p>
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