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	<title>Comments on: Sneaky: Current credit bailout bill contains carbon tax provisions!</title>
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		<title>By: John-X</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-51266</link>
		<dc:creator>John-X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Limit Down.&quot;

The futures markets for stock indexes are currently (8:45 a.m. EDT) &quot;locked,&quot; because they have reached their down limit of a 5% price drop.

When the NYSE opens, the limits change to 10% - when the Dow and S&amp;P 500 drop by 10% trading will be halted for 1 hour.  This could happen within the first few minutes of trading.

The percentage limits are set at the beginning of each calendar quarter.  The 10% limit was based on a Dow of 11,000, so the drop that halts trading will be 1100 Dow points.

The &quot;silver lining&quot; if there is one, is that oil prices have also crashed, even with an OPEC &quot;emergency cut&quot; of 1.5 million BPD.

So why was it so important to pass this crappy bailout bill again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Limit Down.&#8221;</p>
<p>The futures markets for stock indexes are currently (8:45 a.m. EDT) &#8220;locked,&#8221; because they have reached their down limit of a 5% price drop.</p>
<p>When the NYSE opens, the limits change to 10% &#8211; when the Dow and S&amp;P 500 drop by 10% trading will be halted for 1 hour.  This could happen within the first few minutes of trading.</p>
<p>The percentage limits are set at the beginning of each calendar quarter.  The 10% limit was based on a Dow of 11,000, so the drop that halts trading will be 1100 Dow points.</p>
<p>The &#8220;silver lining&#8221; if there is one, is that oil prices have also crashed, even with an OPEC &#8220;emergency cut&#8221; of 1.5 million BPD.</p>
<p>So why was it so important to pass this crappy bailout bill again?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Latta</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45428</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Latta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah!  But you all knew this was coming.  Every time something repugnant comes across the halls of Congress it gets dolled up with bits that the potential &quot;Nays&quot; cannot refuse and passes even though no one really likes it.  Don&#039;t let the &quot;Yea&quot; voter in your Congressional district get away with it.  Too bad there isn&#039;t a comments line on the ballot to explain why you voted for or against someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah!  But you all knew this was coming.  Every time something repugnant comes across the halls of Congress it gets dolled up with bits that the potential &#8220;Nays&#8221; cannot refuse and passes even though no one really likes it.  Don&#8217;t let the &#8220;Yea&#8221; voter in your Congressional district get away with it.  Too bad there isn&#8217;t a comments line on the ballot to explain why you voted for or against someone.</p>
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		<title>By: David Segesta</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45409</link>
		<dc:creator>David Segesta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don Shaw (05:43:44)&quot;
&quot;This statement appears to be taken from Barney Franks playbook. Set up a system to Force the banks to make loans to people who have no downpayment or means to make the payments, disparage those who warn the system is headed for a trainwreck, when the scheme collapses blame the greedy bankers, and finally tell the taxpayers they will be stuck with the bill. 

Barneys scheme was about socialist control and so is carbon credits/tax!!&quot;

Don I think you nailed it. I would add one further point which can also be blamed squarely on government. The free trade deals which were enacted by both parties have caused American industries to move their plants to China for low labor costs. The displaced American workers found themselves unemployed or employed at lower paying jobs. So the mortgage payments which were affordable when the wages were higher, are now unaffordable and the homeowner is forced into default.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don Shaw (05:43:44)&#8221;<br />
&#8220;This statement appears to be taken from Barney Franks playbook. Set up a system to Force the banks to make loans to people who have no downpayment or means to make the payments, disparage those who warn the system is headed for a trainwreck, when the scheme collapses blame the greedy bankers, and finally tell the taxpayers they will be stuck with the bill. </p>
<p>Barneys scheme was about socialist control and so is carbon credits/tax!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Don I think you nailed it. I would add one further point which can also be blamed squarely on government. The free trade deals which were enacted by both parties have caused American industries to move their plants to China for low labor costs. The displaced American workers found themselves unemployed or employed at lower paying jobs. So the mortgage payments which were affordable when the wages were higher, are now unaffordable and the homeowner is forced into default.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig D. Lattig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig D. Lattig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It passed...ghad help us all......
cdl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It passed&#8230;ghad help us all&#8230;&#8230;<br />
cdl</p>
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		<title>By: Les Johnson</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45391</link>
		<dc:creator>Les Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The following link I found at Climate Skeptic. Oddly, there is a relation to the current financial crisis, and AGW.

&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/09/28/business/20080928-SEC-multimedia/index.html?adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1223053258-sP5pNZ8/k1Gsp7Z7bR/w5w&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Click here for NYT video&lt;/a&gt;

My summary of the NYT video:

5 firms - Goldman Sachs, Merril Lynch, Lehman Bros, Morgan Stanley and Bears Stern, applied in Apr 2004, to change investment rules. Basically, they were allowed to use computer models to assess the level of risk in investments. 

My commentary:

Gore says that climate models can be trusted, because Wall Street has used similar models for years.

Look how that turned out, on wall street, for these firms. 

The weakness, or outright failure of each, is a major contributor to the financial crisis of 2008.

Now, my question to the believers of Climate Models: 

&lt;b&gt;Should we invest 40 trillion in these models?&lt;/b&gt;

My question to the SEC:

&lt;b&gt; ARE YOU GUYS ON CRACK?&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following link I found at Climate Skeptic. Oddly, there is a relation to the current financial crisis, and AGW.</p>
<p><a HREF="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/09/28/business/20080928-SEC-multimedia/index.html?adxnnl=1&amp;adxnnlx=1223053258-sP5pNZ8/k1Gsp7Z7bR/w5w" rel="nofollow">Click here for NYT video</a></p>
<p>My summary of the NYT video:</p>
<p>5 firms &#8211; Goldman Sachs, Merril Lynch, Lehman Bros, Morgan Stanley and Bears Stern, applied in Apr 2004, to change investment rules. Basically, they were allowed to use computer models to assess the level of risk in investments. </p>
<p>My commentary:</p>
<p>Gore says that climate models can be trusted, because Wall Street has used similar models for years.</p>
<p>Look how that turned out, on wall street, for these firms. </p>
<p>The weakness, or outright failure of each, is a major contributor to the financial crisis of 2008.</p>
<p>Now, my question to the believers of Climate Models: </p>
<p><b>Should we invest 40 trillion in these models?</b></p>
<p>My question to the SEC:</p>
<p><b> ARE YOU GUYS ON CRACK?</b></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dubrasich</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45386</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dubrasich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops please scratch that one.  I don&#039;t know the numbers, they keep changing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops please scratch that one.  I don&#8217;t know the numbers, they keep changing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dubrasich</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45385</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dubrasich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By a vote of 261-171.

172 Dems and 91 Reps voted YES

63 Dems 108 Reps voted NO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By a vote of 261-171.</p>
<p>172 Dems and 91 Reps voted YES</p>
<p>63 Dems 108 Reps voted NO</p>
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		<title>By: Welcome to Carbon Taxes - House passes $700B &#8220;bailout bill&#8221; &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Welcome to Carbon Taxes - House passes $700B &#8220;bailout bill&#8221; &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Carbon Tax language as of yesterday, no word yet on if it changed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Carbon Tax language as of yesterday, no word yet on if it changed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45382</link>
		<dc:creator>David L. Hagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081003/D93J55D01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; House passes bill&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll101.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;By vote of 268 - 148&lt;/a&gt;

Final bill: &lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1424.eas:&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;H.R.1424 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c110W1pcP3:e219268:&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SEC. 115. TAX CREDIT FOR CARBON DIOXIDE SEQUESTRATION.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081003/D93J55D01.html" rel="nofollow"> House passes bill</a></p>
<p><a href="http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll101.xml" rel="nofollow">By vote of 268 &#8211; 148</a></p>
<p>Final bill: <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1424.eas:" rel="nofollow">H.R.1424 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act</a></p>
<p><a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c110W1pcP3:e219268:" rel="nofollow">SEC. 115. TAX CREDIT FOR CARBON DIOXIDE SEQUESTRATION.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45381</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it passed. It&#039;ll go to the President, who will sign it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it passed. It&#8217;ll go to the President, who will sign it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill P</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45370</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...Palin’s curious remark as to global warming...&quot; 

She was incoherent, trying to come down on both sides.  Not impressive.   

Politicians need to hear the mantra repeated:  It&#039;s getting cooler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;Palin’s curious remark as to global warming&#8230;&#8221; </p>
<p>She was incoherent, trying to come down on both sides.  Not impressive.   </p>
<p>Politicians need to hear the mantra repeated:  It&#8217;s getting cooler.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill P</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45367</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole bailout stinks.  Ties between Paulson / Goldman, the shotgun marriage of Merrill Lynch / BOA, failed lenders everywhere... I hear senators are now proposing (to the approving cheers of mortgage banks) that troubled housing loans will not only have their interest reduced to a smaller fixed amount, but the principles as well.  Great!  Can I get a retroactive reduction in and reimbursement for the &quot;excess&quot; principle I&#039;ve been paying, along with the interest and taxes we&#039;ve paid (indeed, pre-paid whenever we had extra) over the last 15 years?

Citizen complaints about this bill, or sections of it, are justified and appropriate, but better be quick.  Pressure on the House seems to be building, and pretty soon, whatever the bill was at its heart will be covered over with the layers of porcine excess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole bailout stinks.  Ties between Paulson / Goldman, the shotgun marriage of Merrill Lynch / BOA, failed lenders everywhere&#8230; I hear senators are now proposing (to the approving cheers of mortgage banks) that troubled housing loans will not only have their interest reduced to a smaller fixed amount, but the principles as well.  Great!  Can I get a retroactive reduction in and reimbursement for the &#8220;excess&#8221; principle I&#8217;ve been paying, along with the interest and taxes we&#8217;ve paid (indeed, pre-paid whenever we had extra) over the last 15 years?</p>
<p>Citizen complaints about this bill, or sections of it, are justified and appropriate, but better be quick.  Pressure on the House seems to be building, and pretty soon, whatever the bill was at its heart will be covered over with the layers of porcine excess.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Scott</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45366</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Nicklin (21:21:56) : 
&quot;...I’m an outsider and what I know about your legislative process could be put in a thimble with room to spare for your finger.&quot;

That puts you on a par with the average American voter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Nicklin (21:21:56) :<br />
&#8220;&#8230;I’m an outsider and what I know about your legislative process could be put in a thimble with room to spare for your finger.&#8221;</p>
<p>That puts you on a par with the average American voter.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45360</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill in the House this morning. It&#039;ll probably pass, but that is not for sure yet. Just like Congress to &quot;pork a bill&quot;. I wish I could run my house like Congress. I could live like a &quot;fat cat&quot;. But, that&#039;s not reality, and I wish Congress would be like the rest of us. I guess I have a better chance of get hit by lightning, than for that to come true. Seems like no matter who you put there, they become Washingtonized at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill in the House this morning. It&#8217;ll probably pass, but that is not for sure yet. Just like Congress to &#8220;pork a bill&#8221;. I wish I could run my house like Congress. I could live like a &#8220;fat cat&#8221;. But, that&#8217;s not reality, and I wish Congress would be like the rest of us. I guess I have a better chance of get hit by lightning, than for that to come true. Seems like no matter who you put there, they become Washingtonized at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill P</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45355</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The line item veto ...

Such snipping would no longer be enough.  The senate took a 100-page bailout by Paulson/Bernanke and created a 450-page, pork-laden monstrosity.

Who inserted the carbon credits nonsense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line item veto &#8230;</p>
<p>Such snipping would no longer be enough.  The senate took a 100-page bailout by Paulson/Bernanke and created a 450-page, pork-laden monstrosity.</p>
<p>Who inserted the carbon credits nonsense?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,
Great post pointing out an inappropriate  item added to the rescue plan by the Senate.  Unfortunately there are a lot more. They should be ashamed of themselves feeding on the taxpayer at a time where some action is needed (at least by many).  They are worse than a predatory lendor taking advantage of someone in dire need.  What a disgrace. 
 
When I first saw the Senate leaders come out during the press conference and explain their rescue Bill, I thought at last there is some hope in the Senate.  Boy was I naive !!! 
Now we know that the $700 bill grew to $812 billion and was filled with all kinds of goodies for NASCAR, wooden Arrows, extending tax breaks for film and television productions, mine rescue training, undercover operations,  railway maintenance, idling reduction units in trucks, refined coal used by steel producers, small wind power projects, donations of food or books to charities, hurricane relief employees and people affected by the Exxon Valdez oil spill, etc.

Also burried in the bill is increased  taxes on fossil fuels that will increase the price of gasoline and heating oil.  See the URL below.
 
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6035335.html

They should have told us about this during the press conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,<br />
Great post pointing out an inappropriate  item added to the rescue plan by the Senate.  Unfortunately there are a lot more. They should be ashamed of themselves feeding on the taxpayer at a time where some action is needed (at least by many).  They are worse than a predatory lendor taking advantage of someone in dire need.  What a disgrace. </p>
<p>When I first saw the Senate leaders come out during the press conference and explain their rescue Bill, I thought at last there is some hope in the Senate.  Boy was I naive !!!<br />
Now we know that the $700 bill grew to $812 billion and was filled with all kinds of goodies for NASCAR, wooden Arrows, extending tax breaks for film and television productions, mine rescue training, undercover operations,  railway maintenance, idling reduction units in trucks, refined coal used by steel producers, small wind power projects, donations of food or books to charities, hurricane relief employees and people affected by the Exxon Valdez oil spill, etc.</p>
<p>Also burried in the bill is increased  taxes on fossil fuels that will increase the price of gasoline and heating oil.  See the URL below.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6035335.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/6035335.html</a></p>
<p>They should have told us about this during the press conference.</p>
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		<title>By: John Galt</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Galt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one of the many reasons this bull (I mean bill) is being rushed through Congress. I much more sensible approach would be to dole out the money in increments, starting with about $150 Billion, and then add more as needed and if things were going well with the program. I can&#039;t imagine we can possibly spend all $780 Billion in the next few weeks, so why not slow down?

Paulson IS an AGW- and enviro-nut. He&#039;s also too close to Wall Street and too close to a certain party now running Congress that caused this mess because they wanted more home loans to people who didn&#039;t qualify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the many reasons this bull (I mean bill) is being rushed through Congress. I much more sensible approach would be to dole out the money in increments, starting with about $150 Billion, and then add more as needed and if things were going well with the program. I can&#8217;t imagine we can possibly spend all $780 Billion in the next few weeks, so why not slow down?</p>
<p>Paulson IS an AGW- and enviro-nut. He&#8217;s also too close to Wall Street and too close to a certain party now running Congress that caused this mess because they wanted more home loans to people who didn&#8217;t qualify.</p>
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		<title>By: crispin</title>
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		<dc:creator>crispin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 14:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tax credit bill that the Senate attached to the bailout legislation is not new, nor is it primarily about climate change.  It has been called the &#039;extenders&#039; bill - it extends tax credits for renewable energy production (wind, solar, biodiesel), a one-year fix for the AMT, and a bunch of other provisions favored by Republicans and Democrats alike.  

It was passed in stand-alone form by the Senate 92-3 last week.  A slightly different version has already been passed by the House three times this year. The problem - the Senate version is not revenue-neutral, i.e., it will increase the deficit.  The revised PAYGO rules of the House make it almost impossible to pass as a stand-alone bill.  The House versions of the bill contain revenue-raising provisions designed to punish the petroleum industry, which has resulted in Republican filibusters in the Senate.  

By attaching this popular bill to the financial bailout legislation, the Senate is attempting to break the deadlock and get the extenders bill passed.  This is how our Congress works today (I am using the term &#039;works&#039; loosely.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tax credit bill that the Senate attached to the bailout legislation is not new, nor is it primarily about climate change.  It has been called the &#8216;extenders&#8217; bill &#8211; it extends tax credits for renewable energy production (wind, solar, biodiesel), a one-year fix for the AMT, and a bunch of other provisions favored by Republicans and Democrats alike.  </p>
<p>It was passed in stand-alone form by the Senate 92-3 last week.  A slightly different version has already been passed by the House three times this year. The problem &#8211; the Senate version is not revenue-neutral, i.e., it will increase the deficit.  The revised PAYGO rules of the House make it almost impossible to pass as a stand-alone bill.  The House versions of the bill contain revenue-raising provisions designed to punish the petroleum industry, which has resulted in Republican filibusters in the Senate.  </p>
<p>By attaching this popular bill to the financial bailout legislation, the Senate is attempting to break the deadlock and get the extenders bill passed.  This is how our Congress works today (I am using the term &#8216;works&#8217; loosely.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Keohane</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45339</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Keohane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>snowfalcon, I also agree with Pamela Grey, but when the corporations are mixed with the government, it becomes a socialist society. We may not be there yet, but many politicians are pushing hard in that direction. The carbon tax is just another cost to the taxpayers. I would not be surprised to see electricity go up 3-500% in the next few years. Denmark (lots of wind energy) is paying upwards of $.35/Kwhr (US), I am now paying $.08/Kwhr. Of course, this would not be raising &#039;taxes&#039; on those making less than $250K/yr., it taxes the energy corporations who simply pass on their tax increase to the customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>snowfalcon, I also agree with Pamela Grey, but when the corporations are mixed with the government, it becomes a socialist society. We may not be there yet, but many politicians are pushing hard in that direction. The carbon tax is just another cost to the taxpayers. I would not be surprised to see electricity go up 3-500% in the next few years. Denmark (lots of wind energy) is paying upwards of $.35/Kwhr (US), I am now paying $.08/Kwhr. Of course, this would not be raising &#8216;taxes&#8217; on those making less than $250K/yr., it taxes the energy corporations who simply pass on their tax increase to the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Shaw</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/10/02/sneaky-current-credit-bailout-bill-contains-carbon-tax-provisions/#comment-45326</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Snowfalcon
&quot;And what’s all this about ’socialist’ plots - you guys over the pond have no idea what a socialist really is - I agree with Pamela Gray, the plotters are corporate banking types who have misled the greens (who are naive and gullible), and see an easy market - this is not about ’socialist ‘ control - it is about hidden agendas for wealth creation for an elite riding upon misled environmental concern.&quot;

This statement appears to be taken from Barney Franks playbook.  Set up a system to Force the banks to make loans to people who have no downpayment or means to make the payments, disparage those who warn the system is headed for a trainwreck, when the scheme collapses blame the greedy bankers, and finally tell the taxpayers they will be stuck with the bill. 

 Barneys scheme was about socialist control and so is carbon credits/tax!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Snowfalcon<br />
&#8220;And what’s all this about ’socialist’ plots &#8211; you guys over the pond have no idea what a socialist really is &#8211; I agree with Pamela Gray, the plotters are corporate banking types who have misled the greens (who are naive and gullible), and see an easy market &#8211; this is not about ’socialist ‘ control &#8211; it is about hidden agendas for wealth creation for an elite riding upon misled environmental concern.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement appears to be taken from Barney Franks playbook.  Set up a system to Force the banks to make loans to people who have no downpayment or means to make the payments, disparage those who warn the system is headed for a trainwreck, when the scheme collapses blame the greedy bankers, and finally tell the taxpayers they will be stuck with the bill. </p>
<p> Barneys scheme was about socialist control and so is carbon credits/tax!!</p>
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