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		<title>By: Pournano</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/29/comments-thread-airs-team-satellite-co2-paper-published/#comment-60382</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. I repeatedly scan this forum. This is the oldest culture unequivocal to ask a query. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I repeatedly scan this forum. This is the oldest culture unequivocal to ask a query.<br />
How multitudinous in this forum are references progressive behind, disingenuous users?<br />
Can I depute all the communication that there is?</p>
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		<title>By: What is Web 2.0? &#124; // Dizajn Klinika //</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What is Web 2.0? &#124; // Dizajn Klinika //]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Web 2.0 tools are beginning to change the shape of scientific debate &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/29/comments-thread-airs-team-satellite-co2-paper-published/#comment-46271</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Web 2.0 tools are beginning to change the shape of scientific debate &#171; Watts Up With That?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] inquiries about it during that time. Finally, on September 29th, the paper was published, and I featured it here. That 8 weeks was long by electronic media standards, but pretty quick by traditional science [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] inquiries about it during that time. Finally, on September 29th, the paper was published, and I featured it here. That 8 weeks was long by electronic media standards, but pretty quick by traditional science [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ferdinand Engelbeen</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/29/comments-thread-airs-team-satellite-co2-paper-published/#comment-45648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferdinand Engelbeen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One need to take into account that the maps shown are only two monthly averages for two years (april and july 2003-2004). The same differences between e.g. Mauna Loa (20 N) and the South Pole (90 S) as the satellites show can be seen in the monthly average graphs. See the comments 179-183 at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3649&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BBC &quot;climate wars&quot;&lt;/a&gt; and my comment of today (September 4) at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/31/a-encouraging-response-on-satellite-co2-measurement-from-the-airs-team/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;previous thread&lt;/a&gt;

As most of the seasonal variations level off in yearly averages, the differences due to latitude and altitude disappear, except for the delay in upward trend between the NH and SH, as the ITCZ hinders the exchange of air masses. 

Thus it would be interesting to see the picture of the average over the full year 2003, it should show the main regions where the largest continuous natural sources and sinks are located, and the regions with the largest human contribution...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One need to take into account that the maps shown are only two monthly averages for two years (april and july 2003-2004). The same differences between e.g. Mauna Loa (20 N) and the South Pole (90 S) as the satellites show can be seen in the monthly average graphs. See the comments 179-183 at <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3649" rel="nofollow">BBC &#8220;climate wars&#8221;</a> and my comment of today (September 4) at the <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/07/31/a-encouraging-response-on-satellite-co2-measurement-from-the-airs-team/" rel="nofollow">previous thread</a></p>
<p>As most of the seasonal variations level off in yearly averages, the differences due to latitude and altitude disappear, except for the delay in upward trend between the NH and SH, as the ITCZ hinders the exchange of air masses. </p>
<p>Thus it would be interesting to see the picture of the average over the full year 2003, it should show the main regions where the largest continuous natural sources and sinks are located, and the regions with the largest human contribution&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna v]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you pkatt

I cannot see an obvious correlation from the maps available, 

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/find_regions.cfm

with the AIRS map. One would need recent activity world maps, which is not something that is being provided as far as I can see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you pkatt</p>
<p>I cannot see an obvious correlation from the maps available, </p>
<p><a href="http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/find_regions.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/find_regions.cfm</a></p>
<p>with the AIRS map. One would need recent activity world maps, which is not something that is being provided as far as I can see.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 12:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why have the calls for urgent and immediate cuts become so hysterical in the past few weeks?
Could it be that atmospheric CO2 levels are showing signs of levelling off, or dropping? If that&#039;s the case then they&#039;ll want to show that their cuts worked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why have the calls for urgent and immediate cuts become so hysterical in the past few weeks?<br />
Could it be that atmospheric CO2 levels are showing signs of levelling off, or dropping? If that&#8217;s the case then they&#8217;ll want to show that their cuts worked.</p>
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		<title>By: pkatt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pkatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Volcano stuff can be found here  http://www.volcano.si.edu/  and http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/activity/  or http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/world.html

pretty interesting stuff:)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Volcano stuff can be found here  <a href="http://www.volcano.si.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.volcano.si.edu/</a>  and <a href="http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/activity/" rel="nofollow">http://volcano.wr.usgs.gov/activity/</a>  or <a href="http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/world.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geo.mtu.edu/volcanoes/world.html</a></p>
<p>pretty interesting stuff:)</p>
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		<title>By: anna v</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anna v]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 05:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AnonyMoose (10:57:58) : 

&quot;As for Mammoth Mountain, it releases up to 140 metric tons per day of CO2, which is a maximum of 0.05 million tons per year. The lower end of volcanic CO2 estimates is 130 million tons per year, so Mammoth Mountain when it’s most active is about 0.03 percent of the global total. Would that be significant for the U.S.?&quot;

Considering that the color scale is 20ppm /380ppm makes 5% differences.

Volcanic vents must be in the rest 95% , since they probably are in a steady state. The plot shows differences from the steady state. Nevertheless it would be good to have a world map of volcanic venting and activity. For example, in the 2008 plot on the AIR site ( I gave a link above) there is red in the antarctic. That can only be volcanic new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AnonyMoose (10:57:58) : </p>
<p>&#8220;As for Mammoth Mountain, it releases up to 140 metric tons per day of CO2, which is a maximum of 0.05 million tons per year. The lower end of volcanic CO2 estimates is 130 million tons per year, so Mammoth Mountain when it’s most active is about 0.03 percent of the global total. Would that be significant for the U.S.?&#8221;</p>
<p>Considering that the color scale is 20ppm /380ppm makes 5% differences.</p>
<p>Volcanic vents must be in the rest 95% , since they probably are in a steady state. The plot shows differences from the steady state. Nevertheless it would be good to have a world map of volcanic venting and activity. For example, in the 2008 plot on the AIR site ( I gave a link above) there is red in the antarctic. That can only be volcanic new.</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cosmic rays create CO2-14.  Cosmic rays appear to destroy ozone.  Is it possible that this thin area of ozone over the western part of the US allows cosmic rays to produce a lot of CO2-14?  The two areas coincide, this thin ozone area and that glob of CO2, so I would wonder if what the satellite measured was an increase in CO2-14 because maybe that is where cosmic rays produce a lot of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmic rays create CO2-14.  Cosmic rays appear to destroy ozone.  Is it possible that this thin area of ozone over the western part of the US allows cosmic rays to produce a lot of CO2-14?  The two areas coincide, this thin ozone area and that glob of CO2, so I would wonder if what the satellite measured was an increase in CO2-14 because maybe that is where cosmic rays produce a lot of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Skywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several patterns seem clear to me. 

First, overall CO2 sinks in the polar regions and outgasses at the tropics.
Second, the CO2 gets blown along the latitudes, and hence the heavily forested latitudes (Canada / taiga and tropical rainforest) have lower CO2 than the desert latitudes.
Third, there is outgassing over the upwelling ocean spots (I think). 
Fourth, there has been quite an increase of CO2 since 2003.
I want to know what the January patterns are like.

Right now I&#039;m sure that there is a HUGE dynamic balance going on. Sea life loves CO2 (calcifying organisms) and terrestrial vegetation loves CO2 (photosynthesis) and I&#039;m sure that, just as you want money to &lt;i&gt;move&lt;/i&gt; to create wealth, so too with the CO2. Far more there than meets the graphs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several patterns seem clear to me. </p>
<p>First, overall CO2 sinks in the polar regions and outgasses at the tropics.<br />
Second, the CO2 gets blown along the latitudes, and hence the heavily forested latitudes (Canada / taiga and tropical rainforest) have lower CO2 than the desert latitudes.<br />
Third, there is outgassing over the upwelling ocean spots (I think).<br />
Fourth, there has been quite an increase of CO2 since 2003.<br />
I want to know what the January patterns are like.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m sure that there is a HUGE dynamic balance going on. Sea life loves CO2 (calcifying organisms) and terrestrial vegetation loves CO2 (photosynthesis) and I&#8217;m sure that, just as you want money to <i>move</i> to create wealth, so too with the CO2. Far more there than meets the graphs.</p>
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		<title>By: tty</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud:

&quot;Am I wrong, they seem high downwind of these?&quot;

At least for Europe they are if anything upwind.  

&quot;Young, growing forests fix carbon&quot;

Yes, and that is what is strange, since taiga grows quite slowly, much slower than tropical forest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Gulrud:</p>
<p>&#8220;Am I wrong, they seem high downwind of these?&#8221;</p>
<p>At least for Europe they are if anything upwind.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Young, growing forests fix carbon&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, and that is what is strange, since taiga grows quite slowly, much slower than tropical forest.</p>
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		<title>By: M White</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Virgin to join climate experiment&quot;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7644553.stm

Virgins SpaceShipTwo may carry instruments to measure &#039;greenhouse&#039; gases for the NOAA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Virgin to join climate experiment&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7644553.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7644553.stm</a></p>
<p>Virgins SpaceShipTwo may carry instruments to measure &#8216;greenhouse&#8217; gases for the NOAA.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;levels are not notably high over densely populated, highly industrialized areeas like NE USA and central Europe&quot;

Am I wrong, they seem high downwind of these?

&quot;Levels are generally low over forest areas, but it is a bit odd that they are lower over taiga than over equatorial rainforests and even odder that they are lower over cerrado/caatinga scrub than over the adjoining amazonian forest.&quot;

Young, growing forests fix carbon.  Not that its an unimpeachable source, I saw a National Geographic film recently claim the taiga was more important in this respect than the rest of surface vegetation combined, yet it comprises 1/3 of the total in biomass.  I&#039;d think the first notion connected except the growth rate is intuitively too low.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;levels are not notably high over densely populated, highly industrialized areeas like NE USA and central Europe&#8221;</p>
<p>Am I wrong, they seem high downwind of these?</p>
<p>&#8220;Levels are generally low over forest areas, but it is a bit odd that they are lower over taiga than over equatorial rainforests and even odder that they are lower over cerrado/caatinga scrub than over the adjoining amazonian forest.&#8221;</p>
<p>Young, growing forests fix carbon.  Not that its an unimpeachable source, I saw a National Geographic film recently claim the taiga was more important in this respect than the rest of surface vegetation combined, yet it comprises 1/3 of the total in biomass.  I&#8217;d think the first notion connected except the growth rate is intuitively too low.</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMoose</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AnonyMoose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a moving image available through the following page; whether it loops depends upon your viewer: http://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/geophysical_products_multimedia/carbon_dioxide/

As for Mammoth Mountain, it &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth_Mountain#Volcanic_gas_discharge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;releases up to 140 metric tons per day&lt;/a&gt; of CO2, which is a maximum of 0.05 million tons per year.  The lower end of volcanic CO2 estimates is &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#In_the_Earth.27s_atmosphere&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;130 million tons per year&lt;/a&gt;, so Mammoth Mountain when it&#039;s most active is about 0.03 percent of the global total.  Would that be significant for the U.S.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a moving image available through the following page; whether it loops depends upon your viewer: <a href="http://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/geophysical_products_multimedia/carbon_dioxide/" rel="nofollow">http://airs.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/geophysical_products_multimedia/carbon_dioxide/</a></p>
<p>As for Mammoth Mountain, it <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammoth_Mountain#Volcanic_gas_discharge" rel="nofollow">releases up to 140 metric tons per day</a> of CO2, which is a maximum of 0.05 million tons per year.  The lower end of volcanic CO2 estimates is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#In_the_Earth.27s_atmosphere" rel="nofollow">130 million tons per year</a>, so Mammoth Mountain when it&#8217;s most active is about 0.03 percent of the global total.  Would that be significant for the U.S.?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 17:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the plurality:  Their report is welcome but they are metering out the results.

The delay smacks of intra-office politics, which in government is insurmountable.  Could be any reason, even just unreasoning conservatism, quashed existing work, sloth, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the plurality:  Their report is welcome but they are metering out the results.</p>
<p>The delay smacks of intra-office politics, which in government is insurmountable.  Could be any reason, even just unreasoning conservatism, quashed existing work, sloth, etc.</p>
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