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		<title>By: John Egan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-43335</link>
		<dc:creator>John Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 12:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neilo

&quot;Ah, Australia and the US… two friendly countries seperated by a common language!&quot;

That&#039;s funny ... thanks for the public humiliation :)  I think I better stick to posting snail-mail!

JE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neilo</p>
<p>&#8220;Ah, Australia and the US… two friendly countries seperated by a common language!&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s funny &#8230; thanks for the public humiliation :)  I think I better stick to posting snail-mail!</p>
<p>JE</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Gough</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42926</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Gough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that my thought (10:01:34) -and Anthony&#039;s- re melt water as the lubricant is probable not correct.    (Probably applies in the situation I was considering, but not for Arctic/Antarctic icesheets.)
Excellent link  (http://www.scienceandpolicy.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=396&amp;Itemid=77) posted by Bob P 15:12:17.  Most interesting read.    I wonder if NASA are aware of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that my thought (10:01:34) -and Anthony&#8217;s- re melt water as the lubricant is probable not correct.    (Probably applies in the situation I was considering, but not for Arctic/Antarctic icesheets.)<br />
Excellent link  (<a href="http://www.scienceandpolicy.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=396&amp;Itemid=77" rel="nofollow">http://www.scienceandpolicy.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=396&amp;Itemid=77</a>) posted by Bob P 15:12:17.  Most interesting read.    I wonder if NASA are aware of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McMillan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42889</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT
I notice that the latest  mag and visible SOHO&#039;s of the &#039;sunspot&#039; show that the region has turned into faculae.  Could this be the sensors&#039; angle of view?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT<br />
I notice that the latest  mag and visible SOHO&#8217;s of the &#8217;sunspot&#8217; show that the region has turned into faculae.  Could this be the sensors&#8217; angle of view?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike McMillan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42887</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike McMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 05:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Scott (08:23:55):
&lt;i&gt;A new threat caused by AGW, naturally.
New global warming threat as scientists discover massive methane ‘time bomb’ under the Arctic seabed&lt;/i&gt;

We must urge Russia to immediately relieve the danger by drilling and piping the methane to Europe, where it will be converted to the less potent greenhouse gas CO2.


Smokey (17:58:18):
    &lt;i&gt;. . . It is only in the US version of English that &quot;labelled&quot; is spelt &quot;labeled&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Labelled&quot; is also the Canadian spelting, eh?


    &lt;i&gt;Don’t you understand, Mr Adams??  The U.S.[sic] is the center of the universe.&lt;/i&gt;

Another typo.  You misspelt Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Scott (08:23:55):<br />
<i>A new threat caused by AGW, naturally.<br />
New global warming threat as scientists discover massive methane ‘time bomb’ under the Arctic seabed</i></p>
<p>We must urge Russia to immediately relieve the danger by drilling and piping the methane to Europe, where it will be converted to the less potent greenhouse gas CO2.</p>
<p>Smokey (17:58:18):<br />
    <i>. . . It is only in the US version of English that &#8220;labelled&#8221; is spelt &#8220;labeled&#8221;.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Labelled&#8221; is also the Canadian spelting, eh?</p>
<p>    <i>Don’t you understand, Mr Adams??  The U.S.[sic] is the center of the universe.</i></p>
<p>Another typo.  You misspelt Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42878</link>
		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So rubber duckies, made in China (largest CO2 emitter), are being used to see the results of too much CO2...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So rubber duckies, made in China (largest CO2 emitter), are being used to see the results of too much CO2&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: F Rasmin</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42856</link>
		<dc:creator>F Rasmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neilo (19:25:53) : 
&#039;seperated&#039;! In Australia we spell that word as &#039;Separated&#039;. So you are correct; We ARE seperated (ahum! Separated) by a common language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neilo (19:25:53) :<br />
&#8217;seperated&#8217;! In Australia we spell that word as &#8216;Separated&#8217;. So you are correct; We ARE seperated (ahum! Separated) by a common language.</p>
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		<title>By: Climate Heretic</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42855</link>
		<dc:creator>Climate Heretic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr Behar said he hoped a fisherman or hunter might find a duck or the probe but so far nothing had turned up.&quot;

Perhaps they are frozen in the glacier? I am kust asking.

Salmon Glacier in Alaska each year builds up water under the tongue until it lifts the ice and floods the entire valley sending icebergs all the way to the ocean some 20 miles away. There is  a depression there that the ice has carved out stopping the glacier from advancing and allows the water to build up under it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr Behar said he hoped a fisherman or hunter might find a duck or the probe but so far nothing had turned up.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps they are frozen in the glacier? I am kust asking.</p>
<p>Salmon Glacier in Alaska each year builds up water under the tongue until it lifts the ice and floods the entire valley sending icebergs all the way to the ocean some 20 miles away. There is  a depression there that the ice has carved out stopping the glacier from advancing and allows the water to build up under it.</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42847</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ducks = rubber
rubber = polymer
polymer = PET
PET = Polyethylene Glycol Terephthalate 
PET +  nH2O = n (ethylene glycol) + n(Terephthalic Acid) 
Ethylene glycol = antifreeze 
antifreeze = No ICE 
No ice= No bears  
No bears  = More ducks 
More ducks = Less ice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ducks = rubber<br />
rubber = polymer<br />
polymer = PET<br />
PET = Polyethylene Glycol Terephthalate<br />
PET +  nH2O = n (ethylene glycol) + n(Terephthalic Acid)<br />
Ethylene glycol = antifreeze<br />
antifreeze = No ICE<br />
No ice= No bears<br />
No bears  = More ducks<br />
More ducks = Less ice</p>
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		<title>By: Neilo</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42839</link>
		<dc:creator>Neilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Egan,

&quot;I see (assume maybe) you have “labelled” tagged with a [sic]. “Labelled” is the correct spelling of labeled in Australian English. So in the country of publication that would be correct.&quot;

Ah, Australia and the US... two friendly countries seperated by a common language!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Egan,</p>
<p>&#8220;I see (assume maybe) you have “labelled” tagged with a [sic]. “Labelled” is the correct spelling of labeled in Australian English. So in the country of publication that would be correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, Australia and the US&#8230; two friendly countries seperated by a common language!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Moore</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42834</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 01:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the Western Climate Initiative:  www.westernclimateinitiative.org/  could use a few of the dubber rucks before all the ice quacks up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the Western Climate Initiative:  <a href="http://www.westernclimateinitiative.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.westernclimateinitiative.org/</a>  could use a few of the dubber rucks before all the ice quacks up.</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42824</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Adams:&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;“labelled [sic]”

It is only in the US version of English that “labelled” is spelt
“labeled”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t you understand, Mr Adams?? The U.S. is the center of the universe.


[i &lt;i&gt;keed!&lt;/i&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Adams:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>“labelled [sic]”</p>
<p>It is only in the US version of English that “labelled” is spelt<br />
“labeled”.</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t you understand, Mr Adams?? The U.S. is the center of the universe.</p>
<p>[i <i>keed!</i>]</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42823</link>
		<dc:creator>Ric Werme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smokey (09:15:29) :
&lt;blockquote&gt;

    Couldn’t they just put a few GPS devices in crush proof containers? Then they could track them in real time. Also, those ducks better be biodegradable, just like the real thing. There’s already too much rubber duckie pollution.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Note the bext-to-last quoted paragraph:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
That’s where the rubber ducks come in, along with a probe about the size of a football loaded with a GPS transmitter and instruments that can tell much about the glacier’s innards.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One &quot;football.&quot;  Not much, but infinitely better than nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smokey (09:15:29) :</p>
<blockquote>
<p>    Couldn’t they just put a few GPS devices in crush proof containers? Then they could track them in real time. Also, those ducks better be biodegradable, just like the real thing. There’s already too much rubber duckie pollution.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Note the bext-to-last quoted paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>
That’s where the rubber ducks come in, along with a probe about the size of a football loaded with a GPS transmitter and instruments that can tell much about the glacier’s innards.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>One &#8220;football.&#8221;  Not much, but infinitely better than nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Peanut Gallery(the artist formerly known as Tom in Florida)</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42821</link>
		<dc:creator>Peanut Gallery(the artist formerly known as Tom in Florida)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Hunter:&quot;Hey, that’s the way hockey skates work! &quot;

Skates also need a certain temperature range of the ice to work properly. Too cold and there is no melting and the blades stick.  Too warm and the ice becomes too soft to support the blades on the layer of water.  I wonder if this applies to glaciers too?  Too warm underneath and instead of sliding along( or whatever the techincal term is) the ice becomes soft and mushy so it just sits there and melts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Hunter:&#8221;Hey, that’s the way hockey skates work! &#8221;</p>
<p>Skates also need a certain temperature range of the ice to work properly. Too cold and there is no melting and the blades stick.  Too warm and the ice becomes too soft to support the blades on the layer of water.  I wonder if this applies to glaciers too?  Too warm underneath and instead of sliding along( or whatever the techincal term is) the ice becomes soft and mushy so it just sits there and melts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Egan</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42817</link>
		<dc:creator>John Egan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony

In contrast to the monumental struggle you have to get any form of balance into discussions around climate science and being an expatriot Australian in the US, I thought I would share this bit of trivia ...  I see (assume maybe) you have &quot;labelled&quot; tagged with a [sic].   &quot;Labelled&quot; is the correct spelling of labeled in Australian English.  So in the country of publication that would be correct.

Reference: The Australian Pocket Oxford Dictionary.   

English English has the same spelling - &quot;Labelled&quot;.

Regards
JE
P.S.  Great website/blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony</p>
<p>In contrast to the monumental struggle you have to get any form of balance into discussions around climate science and being an expatriot Australian in the US, I thought I would share this bit of trivia &#8230;  I see (assume maybe) you have &#8220;labelled&#8221; tagged with a [sic].   &#8220;Labelled&#8221; is the correct spelling of labeled in Australian English.  So in the country of publication that would be correct.</p>
<p>Reference: The Australian Pocket Oxford Dictionary.   </p>
<p>English English has the same spelling &#8211; &#8220;Labelled&#8221;.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
JE<br />
P.S.  Great website/blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Adams</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42815</link>
		<dc:creator>Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;labelled [sic]&quot;

It is only in the US version of English that &quot;labelled&quot; is spelt 
&quot;labeled&quot;.  As the article referenced was from &quot;The Sydney Morning Herald&quot; where &quot;labelled&quot; is spelt &quot;labelled&quot;, the &quot;[sic]&quot; was unnecessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;labelled [sic]&#8221;</p>
<p>It is only in the US version of English that &#8220;labelled&#8221; is spelt<br />
&#8220;labeled&#8221;.  As the article referenced was from &#8220;The Sydney Morning Herald&#8221; where &#8220;labelled&#8221; is spelt &#8220;labelled&#8221;, the &#8220;[sic]&#8221; was unnecessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil M</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42782</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil Disobedience? Gore? Hansen? Young People?
- this is surely the actions of some desperate men!

I mean, it shows that they feel they&#039;ve failed to convince the adult population through the proper-channels, and are now having to resort to appealing to the idealistic, easily persuaded, easily manipulated minds of the young....
- and the Civil Disobedience angle is just designed to appeal the young, green-types who like nothing better than protesting against the Big State or Big Business etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil Disobedience? Gore? Hansen? Young People?<br />
- this is surely the actions of some desperate men!</p>
<p>I mean, it shows that they feel they&#8217;ve failed to convince the adult population through the proper-channels, and are now having to resort to appealing to the idealistic, easily persuaded, easily manipulated minds of the young&#8230;.<br />
- and the Civil Disobedience angle is just designed to appeal the young, green-types who like nothing better than protesting against the Big State or Big Business etc</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Reid</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42776</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verse 2:

Rubber Duckie you&#039;ve got class,
You&#039;ve got feathers on you butt.
Rubber Duckie I&#039;m awfully fond of you.
Boop, boop, boop-boopie do.

(It doesn&#039;t rhyme, but my granddaughters love it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verse 2:</p>
<p>Rubber Duckie you&#8217;ve got class,<br />
You&#8217;ve got feathers on you butt.<br />
Rubber Duckie I&#8217;m awfully fond of you.<br />
Boop, boop, boop-boopie do.</p>
<p>(It doesn&#8217;t rhyme, but my granddaughters love it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob P</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42773</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From:
Are the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets in Danger of Collapse? 
http://www.scienceandpolicy.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=396&amp;Itemid=77
&quot;Flow is mainly by a process called creep, essentially the movement of atoms from one crystal to another.&quot;

&quot;The flow of material in a solid crystalline state is known as creep, and there are three laws of creep relevant to the flow of ice:

1. Creep is proportional to temperature.
2. Creep is proportional to stress (essentially proportional to the weight of overlying ice)
3. There is a minimum stress, called the yield stress, below which creep does not operate.

All these laws have significant effects on glacier movement. Alpine glaciers differ significantly from the ice caps of Greenland and Antarctica, and care is needed to transfer knowledge of one kind of glacier to the other. Incidentally, the physics of ice as described here was worked out over 60 years ago by people such as Perutz (1940)&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From:<br />
Are the Greenland and Antarctic Ice Sheets in Danger of Collapse?<br />
<a href="http://www.scienceandpolicy.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=396&amp;Itemid=77" rel="nofollow">http://www.scienceandpolicy.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=396&amp;Itemid=77</a><br />
&#8220;Flow is mainly by a process called creep, essentially the movement of atoms from one crystal to another.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The flow of material in a solid crystalline state is known as creep, and there are three laws of creep relevant to the flow of ice:</p>
<p>1. Creep is proportional to temperature.<br />
2. Creep is proportional to stress (essentially proportional to the weight of overlying ice)<br />
3. There is a minimum stress, called the yield stress, below which creep does not operate.</p>
<p>All these laws have significant effects on glacier movement. Alpine glaciers differ significantly from the ice caps of Greenland and Antarctica, and care is needed to transfer knowledge of one kind of glacier to the other. Incidentally, the physics of ice as described here was worked out over 60 years ago by people such as Perutz (1940)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Smokey</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42768</link>
		<dc:creator>Smokey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the bottom of the NOAA page:

&lt;blockquote&gt;NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth&#039;s environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm-m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the bottom of the NOAA page:</p>
<blockquote><p>NOAA understands and predicts changes in the Earth&#8217;s environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm-m</p>
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		<title>By: AnonyMoose</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/24/rubber-duckie/#comment-42750</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonyMoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alexjc38: I&#039;ll have to add an icebergs-and-duckies design to my list of desired desktop images, along with the icons from the preceding hammering-weather-patterns article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alexjc38: I&#8217;ll have to add an icebergs-and-duckies design to my list of desired desktop images, along with the icons from the preceding hammering-weather-patterns article.</p>
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