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	<title>Comments on: Kasatochi Volcano SO2 update: aerosols may have cooling effect on the NH this year</title>
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		<title>By: Roger Knights</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger Knights]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding Monckton&#039;s paper, &quot;Hockey Stick? What Hockey Stick?&quot; (referenced by Lucy Skywalker)--I&#039;m impressed. I did notice a typo, which hopefully someone here will know how to forward to him:

P. 11, penultimate paragraph, first line:
Change &quot;hen&quot; to &quot;when&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Monckton&#8217;s paper, &#8220;Hockey Stick? What Hockey Stick?&#8221; (referenced by Lucy Skywalker)&#8211;I&#8217;m impressed. I did notice a typo, which hopefully someone here will know how to forward to him:</p>
<p>P. 11, penultimate paragraph, first line:<br />
Change &#8220;hen&#8221; to &#8220;when&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaylee</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jaylee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Al Burgoon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Burgoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What would happen if airliners began using high sulfur fuel?  Would this help reduce global warming?  If so, it might be a stop gap measure to get us past the warming crisis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would happen if airliners began using high sulfur fuel?  Would this help reduce global warming?  If so, it might be a stop gap measure to get us past the warming crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CRF and magnetic fields could also affect the amount and type of volcanic activity.  It&#039;s not implausible that CRF may increase amount of potential cloud nucleation particles as they do in the lower atmosphere over water.  Ionization of particles could cause pressure imbalances as could shifts in magnetic fields.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRF and magnetic fields could also affect the amount and type of volcanic activity.  It&#8217;s not implausible that CRF may increase amount of potential cloud nucleation particles as they do in the lower atmosphere over water.  Ionization of particles could cause pressure imbalances as could shifts in magnetic fields.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aaron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, people often suggest  that Pinatubo proves positive feedback of temp. with water vapor.  That&#039;s seriously flawed.  There are atleast two important feedbacks that make the decrease in humidity fallowing.  1) Aerosols and clouds would reduce light incident on water.  That would likely be the main driver of humidity reductions following volcanoes. 2) Aerosols make clould droplets smaller and increase the rate at which they evaporate and condense, radiating heat. 3) They decrease the rate of percipitation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, people often suggest  that Pinatubo proves positive feedback of temp. with water vapor.  That&#8217;s seriously flawed.  There are atleast two important feedbacks that make the decrease in humidity fallowing.  1) Aerosols and clouds would reduce light incident on water.  That would likely be the main driver of humidity reductions following volcanoes. 2) Aerosols make clould droplets smaller and increase the rate at which they evaporate and condense, radiating heat. 3) They decrease the rate of percipitation.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barry L.:  Thanks for the link.  

Wonder how long it will take for this solar effect to be noticed and &#039;quashed&#039; by Icarus?  No doubt, the solar poloidal field will be found to vary at 1 AU by some insignificant amount and the earth effect therefore negligible.

As Kuhn pointed out, paradigms are notoriously resistant to contradiction and change in the face of contravening evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry L.:  Thanks for the link.  </p>
<p>Wonder how long it will take for this solar effect to be noticed and &#8216;quashed&#8217; by Icarus?  No doubt, the solar poloidal field will be found to vary at 1 AU by some insignificant amount and the earth effect therefore negligible.</p>
<p>As Kuhn pointed out, paradigms are notoriously resistant to contradiction and change in the face of contravening evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: tomcat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tomcat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The important aspect for short term climate  is how much of the SO2 gets converted into Sulfuric Acid. The effeciency of that chemical change is what determines how effective it is at reflecting sunlight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important aspect for short term climate  is how much of the SO2 gets converted into Sulfuric Acid. The effeciency of that chemical change is what determines how effective it is at reflecting sunlight.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker (12:45:02) :

&quot;OT, sorry, but Monckton’s new paper on the HS and the MWP is IMHO well worth a write-up from you. Good thing is, he balances excellent science (MWP) and vital politics (the HS story) very well. A fellow UK citizen I can be proud of.&quot;

I agree.  

BTW, I sent a comment to US Pres candidate McCain that he should reconsider his cap and trade position and that, recognizing the political risk, he should form an independent scientific commission to study the issue as a due-diligence action, to make sure the investment will be sound.    This is probably the only way out for a politician who has committed to the A-CO2-GW action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy Skywalker (12:45:02) :</p>
<p>&#8220;OT, sorry, but Monckton’s new paper on the HS and the MWP is IMHO well worth a write-up from you. Good thing is, he balances excellent science (MWP) and vital politics (the HS story) very well. A fellow UK citizen I can be proud of.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  </p>
<p>BTW, I sent a comment to US Pres candidate McCain that he should reconsider his cap and trade position and that, recognizing the political risk, he should form an independent scientific commission to study the issue as a due-diligence action, to make sure the investment will be sound.    This is probably the only way out for a politician who has committed to the A-CO2-GW action.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 19:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In regards to any correlation between solar activity and volcanism, it sounds quite insane to a casual reader, however...

If this is true and I haven&#039;t looked at any of the links that might have been provided above, it seems that solar activity might be a proxy.  The actual cause might be planetary orbit alignment changes inducing gravitational stressing of the Earth&#039;s crust and/or magma flow acceleration/decelerations.  The orbit changes would also influence circulation patterns in the Sun which changes solar activity.   

I did read this as a proposed theory somewhere that had some physics analysis to support it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to any correlation between solar activity and volcanism, it sounds quite insane to a casual reader, however&#8230;</p>
<p>If this is true and I haven&#8217;t looked at any of the links that might have been provided above, it seems that solar activity might be a proxy.  The actual cause might be planetary orbit alignment changes inducing gravitational stressing of the Earth&#8217;s crust and/or magma flow acceleration/decelerations.  The orbit changes would also influence circulation patterns in the Sun which changes solar activity.   </p>
<p>I did read this as a proposed theory somewhere that had some physics analysis to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mister Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John-x

Not forgetting the 8 month &#039;Laki event&#039; in 1783, which is also well documented.  Yet another &#039;Year without a Summer&#039;.  Not quite as dramatic as Tambora, but with similar effects on the Weather.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2006/volcano_nile.html

Wonder if the historical record bears out the &#039;Solar Minima a time of greater volcanic activity&#039; postulate?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-x</p>
<p>Not forgetting the 8 month &#8216;Laki event&#8217; in 1783, which is also well documented.  Yet another &#8216;Year without a Summer&#8217;.  Not quite as dramatic as Tambora, but with similar effects on the Weather.<br />
<a href="http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2006/volcano_nile.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2006/volcano_nile.html</a></p>
<p>Wonder if the historical record bears out the &#8216;Solar Minima a time of greater volcanic activity&#8217; postulate?</p>
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		<title>By: John-X</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John-X]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 13:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barry L. (15:58:42) :

&quot;Is there any link between solar behaviour and incidence of vulcanism?

Yes there is!

http://ads.ari.uni-heidelberg.de/full/2003ESASP.535..393S ...&quot;

Ugh.  I sure hope this paper is wrong.

Dalton Minimum + Tambora = &quot;Year Without a Summer.&quot;

Nobody knows how many people died as a result (record keeping was still poor). 

There were anecdotal reports of people dying from eating rotted horse flesh. 

In our time, the vast majority of us don&#039;t even have access to fresh horse flesh!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry L. (15:58:42) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Is there any link between solar behaviour and incidence of vulcanism?</p>
<p>Yes there is!</p>
<p><a href="http://ads.ari.uni-heidelberg.de/full/2003ESASP.535" rel="nofollow">http://ads.ari.uni-heidelberg.de/full/2003ESASP.535</a>..393S &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ugh.  I sure hope this paper is wrong.</p>
<p>Dalton Minimum + Tambora = &#8220;Year Without a Summer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody knows how many people died as a result (record keeping was still poor). </p>
<p>There were anecdotal reports of people dying from eating rotted horse flesh. </p>
<p>In our time, the vast majority of us don&#8217;t even have access to fresh horse flesh!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Skywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the links everyone, it seems that vulcanism correlates to the 21-year solar cycle (and poss longer ones) but not to the 11-year cycle - and that with a prolonged solar minimum, we may expect more volcanic activity. Oil likely to decline at the same time there&#039;s increasing cooling anyway AND possible volcanoes cooling us further. Roll on the energy research programmes! - which reminds me, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; is a fascinating possibility - usable U235 and more, mined from Illinois coal wastes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links everyone, it seems that vulcanism correlates to the 21-year solar cycle (and poss longer ones) but not to the 11-year cycle &#8211; and that with a prolonged solar minimum, we may expect more volcanic activity. Oil likely to decline at the same time there&#8217;s increasing cooling anyway AND possible volcanoes cooling us further. Roll on the energy research programmes! &#8211; which reminds me, <a href="http://www.ornl.gov/info/ornlreview/rev26-34/text/colmain.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> is a fascinating possibility &#8211; usable U235 and more, mined from Illinois coal wastes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Berry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arctic ice melt over? http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arctic ice melt over? <a href="http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Les Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les Francis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker (12:13:59) :

    Is there any link between solar behaviour and incidence of vulcanism?

You can always read this theory by Ambrose concerning Toba in Sumatera. (I know it&#039;s wikiganda but it will do)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucy Skywalker (12:13:59) :</p>
<p>    Is there any link between solar behaviour and incidence of vulcanism?</p>
<p>You can always read this theory by Ambrose concerning Toba in Sumatera. (I know it&#8217;s wikiganda but it will do)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory</a></p>
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		<title>By: Les Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Les Francis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike Bryant (18:21:36) :

OT
Obama is talking about creating a Clean Energy Corps. I guess it’s like the Peace Corps, except instead of drilling water wells in third world countries, they’ll show up at our homes and businesses to “help” us to clean up our terrible CO2 emissions. Those idealistic college kids will straighten us out.


Chairman Mao had the same ideas in the sixties. He created the red guard. Sent them out to re educate their elders. After they finished that task, Mao sent them out to Mongolia to get them out of the way.(And try and undo the damage that they had created)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Bryant (18:21:36) :</p>
<p>OT<br />
Obama is talking about creating a Clean Energy Corps. I guess it’s like the Peace Corps, except instead of drilling water wells in third world countries, they’ll show up at our homes and businesses to “help” us to clean up our terrible CO2 emissions. Those idealistic college kids will straighten us out.</p>
<p>Chairman Mao had the same ideas in the sixties. He created the red guard. Sent them out to re educate their elders. After they finished that task, Mao sent them out to Mongolia to get them out of the way.(And try and undo the damage that they had created)</p>
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