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	<title>Comments on: Note to NASA: Fire Dr. James Hansen, now.</title>
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		<title>By: wattsupwiththat</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/10/note-to-nasa-fire-dr-james-hansen-now/#comment-38636</link>
		<dc:creator>wattsupwiththat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright I&#039;m pretty much done with this thread, we&#039;ve got bad behaviour going on on both sides of the debate and I think the polarization on the issue makes any further discussion moot. The thread is closed to comments. - Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright I&#8217;m pretty much done with this thread, we&#8217;ve got bad behaviour going on on both sides of the debate and I think the polarization on the issue makes any further discussion moot. The thread is closed to comments. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Janama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Hansen lost me last year when he signed this as:

James E. Hansen Ph.D.
Director
NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
Adjunct Professor
Columbia University Earth Institute:

 An Urgent Call to Action:
Scientists and Evangelicals Unite to Protect Creation
January 17, 2007
National Press Club, Washington, D.C.

Our Shared Concern
We agree that our home, the Earth, which comes to us as that inexpressibly beautiful and mysterious gift that
sustains our very lives, is seriously imperiled by human behavior. The harm is seen throughout the natural
world, including a cascading set of problems such as climate change, habitat destruction, pollution, and species
extinctions, as well as the spread of human infectious diseases, and other accelerating threats to the health of
people and the well-being of societies. Each particular problem could be enumerated, but here it is enough to say
that we are gradually destroying the sustaining community of life on which all living things on Earth depend.
The costs of this destruction are already manifesting themselves around the world in profound and painful ways.
The cost to humanity is already significant and may soon become incalculable. Being irreversible, many of these
changes would affect all generations to come.
We believe that the protection of life on Earth is a profound moral imperative. It addresses without
discrimination the interests of all humanity as well as the value of the non-human world. It requires a new moral
awakening to a compelling demand, clearly articulated in Scripture and supported by science, that we must
steward the natural world in order to preserve for ourselves and future generations a beautiful, rich, and
healthful environment. For many of us, this is a religious obligation, rooted in our sense of gratitude for Creation
and reverence for its Creator.
One fundamental motivation that we share is concern for the poorest of the poor, well over a billion people, who
have little chance to improve their lives in devastated and often war-ravaged environments. At the same time,
the natural environments in which they live, and where so much of Earth’s biodiversity barely hangs on, cannot
survive the press of destitute people without other resources and with nowhere else to go.
We declare that every sector of our nation’s leadership—religious, scientific, business, political, and
educational—must act now to work toward the fundamental change in values, lifestyles, and public policies
required to address these worsening problems before it is too late. There is no excuse for further delays.
Business as usual cannot continue yet one more day. We pledge to work together at every level to lead our
nation toward a responsible care for creation, and we call with one voice to our scientific and evangelical
colleagues, and to all others, to join us in these efforts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Hansen lost me last year when he signed this as:</p>
<p>James E. Hansen Ph.D.<br />
Director<br />
NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies<br />
Adjunct Professor<br />
Columbia University Earth Institute:</p>
<p> An Urgent Call to Action:<br />
Scientists and Evangelicals Unite to Protect Creation<br />
January 17, 2007<br />
National Press Club, Washington, D.C.</p>
<p>Our Shared Concern<br />
We agree that our home, the Earth, which comes to us as that inexpressibly beautiful and mysterious gift that<br />
sustains our very lives, is seriously imperiled by human behavior. The harm is seen throughout the natural<br />
world, including a cascading set of problems such as climate change, habitat destruction, pollution, and species<br />
extinctions, as well as the spread of human infectious diseases, and other accelerating threats to the health of<br />
people and the well-being of societies. Each particular problem could be enumerated, but here it is enough to say<br />
that we are gradually destroying the sustaining community of life on which all living things on Earth depend.<br />
The costs of this destruction are already manifesting themselves around the world in profound and painful ways.<br />
The cost to humanity is already significant and may soon become incalculable. Being irreversible, many of these<br />
changes would affect all generations to come.<br />
We believe that the protection of life on Earth is a profound moral imperative. It addresses without<br />
discrimination the interests of all humanity as well as the value of the non-human world. It requires a new moral<br />
awakening to a compelling demand, clearly articulated in Scripture and supported by science, that we must<br />
steward the natural world in order to preserve for ourselves and future generations a beautiful, rich, and<br />
healthful environment. For many of us, this is a religious obligation, rooted in our sense of gratitude for Creation<br />
and reverence for its Creator.<br />
One fundamental motivation that we share is concern for the poorest of the poor, well over a billion people, who<br />
have little chance to improve their lives in devastated and often war-ravaged environments. At the same time,<br />
the natural environments in which they live, and where so much of Earth’s biodiversity barely hangs on, cannot<br />
survive the press of destitute people without other resources and with nowhere else to go.<br />
We declare that every sector of our nation’s leadership—religious, scientific, business, political, and<br />
educational—must act now to work toward the fundamental change in values, lifestyles, and public policies<br />
required to address these worsening problems before it is too late. There is no excuse for further delays.<br />
Business as usual cannot continue yet one more day. We pledge to work together at every level to lead our<br />
nation toward a responsible care for creation, and we call with one voice to our scientific and evangelical<br />
colleagues, and to all others, to join us in these efforts</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/10/note-to-nasa-fire-dr-james-hansen-now/#comment-38626</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The juries out, folks, we need to act.&quot;

No, when the jury is out we do not need to act. The analogy is to a court case after the two sides have made their arguments but before the jury has returned a verdict (final decision). It may also express that we are waiting to see what the results of something will be. 
I don&#039;t even think the contralto (gravitationally-challenged female singer) is warming up yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The juries out, folks, we need to act.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, when the jury is out we do not need to act. The analogy is to a court case after the two sides have made their arguments but before the jury has returned a verdict (final decision). It may also express that we are waiting to see what the results of something will be.<br />
I don&#8217;t even think the contralto (gravitationally-challenged female singer) is warming up yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[SNIP adds nothing to this discussion, tone it down]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[SNIP adds nothing to this discussion, tone it down]</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/10/note-to-nasa-fire-dr-james-hansen-now/#comment-38622</link>
		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred 

Tony Edwards and Fernando Mafili&#039;s suggestions are direct corollary&#039;s to the behavior Hansen is encouraging. Maybe we should rise above it. Maybe we should point out where his logic leads us. It&#039;s a judgement call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred </p>
<p>Tony Edwards and Fernando Mafili&#8217;s suggestions are direct corollary&#8217;s to the behavior Hansen is encouraging. Maybe we should rise above it. Maybe we should point out where his logic leads us. It&#8217;s a judgement call.</p>
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		<title>By: John M</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add to Jeez&#039;s response to Simon Talbot

He sure wasn&#039;t subpoena&#039;d.  And the subject of who paid his expenses and whether he punched his time card before he left are still on the table.

Not exactly &quot;free&quot; speech if he did it on the US Gov&#039;t&#039;s dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to Jeez&#8217;s response to Simon Talbot</p>
<p>He sure wasn&#8217;t subpoena&#8217;d.  And the subject of who paid his expenses and whether he punched his time card before he left are still on the table.</p>
<p>Not exactly &#8220;free&#8221; speech if he did it on the US Gov&#8217;t&#8217;s dime.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/09/10/note-to-nasa-fire-dr-james-hansen-now/#comment-38612</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further in support of simon talbot (14:53:47), the fact that
you have left standing without comment or rebuke, calls for
Hansen [to suffer bodily harm]

And all this for the &#039;crime&#039; of free speech.

Shame on you.

[&lt;strong&gt;REPLY: &lt;/strong&gt;Those comments have been removed, thank you for pointing them out - I&#039;ve been away from moderation most of today, had I seen them they would have been removed immediately. Since the comments have been removed at the source, they don&#039;t get repeated here in your own post. 

NOTICE TO ALL: anyone that makes any types of these suggestions again will be banned- Anthony]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further in support of simon talbot (14:53:47), the fact that<br />
you have left standing without comment or rebuke, calls for<br />
Hansen [to suffer bodily harm]</p>
<p>And all this for the &#8216;crime&#8217; of free speech.</p>
<p>Shame on you.</p>
<p>[<strong>REPLY: </strong>Those comments have been removed, thank you for pointing them out - I've been away from moderation most of today, had I seen them they would have been removed immediately. Since the comments have been removed at the source, they don't get repeated here in your own post. </p>
<p>NOTICE TO ALL: anyone that makes any types of these suggestions again will be banned- Anthony]</p>
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		<title>By: jpgarland</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpgarland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hardcore-environmentalists&quot; as you call them, perhaps have a mental disorder, or perhaps they&#039;re the parrot in the mine who see the construction of more coal-power stations as abhorrent act from an administration who lack the will or the imagination to lead us properly during a time when we need real leadership. 

The juries out, folks, we need to act. Building new coal plants is a symbolic act in the face of the evidence. Climbing a tower and painting the name of the Prime Minister is an equally symbolic act, though an imaginative and brave one.

 Dr James Hansen wasn&#039;t explaining away the actions of people who destroyed or maimed an important piece of infrastructure, he was taking part in a gesture of commitment. And it is a gesture not towards the planet -- no matter what it will certainly be fine in another million years or so -- but towards our future on this planet.

There&#039;s no God, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Shinto, Sun... who&#039;ll step in and take care of us all. It&#039;s up to us. Disparaging the actions of a few who think the time to act forcefully is now is certainly no help, another symbolic act if you will, clouding the issue with arguments of funding and loyalty. You should be proud you&#039;ve got a moral man is such an important position, one who backs his science with words and actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hardcore-environmentalists&#8221; as you call them, perhaps have a mental disorder, or perhaps they&#8217;re the parrot in the mine who see the construction of more coal-power stations as abhorrent act from an administration who lack the will or the imagination to lead us properly during a time when we need real leadership. </p>
<p>The juries out, folks, we need to act. Building new coal plants is a symbolic act in the face of the evidence. Climbing a tower and painting the name of the Prime Minister is an equally symbolic act, though an imaginative and brave one.</p>
<p> Dr James Hansen wasn&#8217;t explaining away the actions of people who destroyed or maimed an important piece of infrastructure, he was taking part in a gesture of commitment. And it is a gesture not towards the planet &#8212; no matter what it will certainly be fine in another million years or so &#8212; but towards our future on this planet.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no God, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Shinto, Sun&#8230; who&#8217;ll step in and take care of us all. It&#8217;s up to us. Disparaging the actions of a few who think the time to act forcefully is now is certainly no help, another symbolic act if you will, clouding the issue with arguments of funding and loyalty. You should be proud you&#8217;ve got a moral man is such an important position, one who backs his science with words and actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ecotretas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ecotretas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not being an American, I&#039;ve also posted a message on NASA&#039;s site. I hope I don&#039;t need a reply for the following:

&quot;To: Michael D. Griffin
I&#039;m particulary ashamed about NASA&#039;s James Hansen behaviour in the Greenpeace trial in the UK. Not being an American, I&#039;ve praised the many men who dedicate their lives to science. Till now.
There should be no place for activists in science. There should be no place for Hansen in NASA, whom clearly supports criminal acts on other&#039;s infrastructure. And please remember today is 9/11.
I would appreciate a reply if Mr Hansen&#039;s stays in office, explaining your view on why he should not be fired.&quot;

Ecotretas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not being an American, I&#8217;ve also posted a message on NASA&#8217;s site. I hope I don&#8217;t need a reply for the following:</p>
<p>&#8220;To: Michael D. Griffin<br />
I&#8217;m particulary ashamed about NASA&#8217;s James Hansen behaviour in the Greenpeace trial in the UK. Not being an American, I&#8217;ve praised the many men who dedicate their lives to science. Till now.<br />
There should be no place for activists in science. There should be no place for Hansen in NASA, whom clearly supports criminal acts on other&#8217;s infrastructure. And please remember today is 9/11.<br />
I would appreciate a reply if Mr Hansen&#8217;s stays in office, explaining your view on why he should not be fired.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ecotretas</p>
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		<title>By: JamesG</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d bet that in the current climate he is more likely to be promoted. My prediction is new Chief Science adviser to the new US government or whatever the title is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bet that in the current climate he is more likely to be promoted. My prediction is new Chief Science adviser to the new US government or whatever the title is.</p>
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		<title>By: jeez</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>simon talbot, 

By simply traveling to the UK to testify, Hansen was implicitly supporting the protesters.  Whether he stated they were justified or not, his action and subsequent testimony was a resounding endorsement of their actions. There is no other interpretation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>simon talbot, </p>
<p>By simply traveling to the UK to testify, Hansen was implicitly supporting the protesters.  Whether he stated they were justified or not, his action and subsequent testimony was a resounding endorsement of their actions. There is no other interpretation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee from WA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee from WA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The verdict (and especially the reasoning for it) does set a dangerous precedent.  But, it&#039;s certainly not the first time.

Here&#039;s a worse example:  A few years ago (perhaps 5 to 15 ??), a jury in Washington state acquited protestors who had blocked a train carrying nuclear warheads to the submarine base at Bangor.  The reason?  Because &quot;&lt;i&gt;they believed in what they were doing&lt;/i&gt;&quot;.  Can you imagine?  How many actions could have that justification?  Remember when French agents blew up a Greenpeace ship in New Zealand?  I&#039;m sure they believed in what they did...  (It was ironic for Greenpeace, an organization that believes that the end justifies the means, to be hoisted on their own petard by an illegal act committed against them.  Too bad that, unexpectedly, someone was in the ship and killed.)

Richard S Courtney (04:39:56):
Richard, that was a masterful letter - excellent, indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The verdict (and especially the reasoning for it) does set a dangerous precedent.  But, it&#8217;s certainly not the first time.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a worse example:  A few years ago (perhaps 5 to 15 ??), a jury in Washington state acquited protestors who had blocked a train carrying nuclear warheads to the submarine base at Bangor.  The reason?  Because &#8220;<i>they believed in what they were doing</i>&#8220;.  Can you imagine?  How many actions could have that justification?  Remember when French agents blew up a Greenpeace ship in New Zealand?  I&#8217;m sure they believed in what they did&#8230;  (It was ironic for Greenpeace, an organization that believes that the end justifies the means, to be hoisted on their own petard by an illegal act committed against them.  Too bad that, unexpectedly, someone was in the ship and killed.)</p>
<p>Richard S Courtney (04:39:56):<br />
Richard, that was a masterful letter &#8211; excellent, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: transpassage</title>
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		<dc:creator>transpassage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I was really happy to hear that the Greenpeace campaigners were released.  And it feels like about time for NASA and other U.S. agencies to start publically supporting and recognizing the valid fears behind global warming.  Obviously, there is a need for science to remain outside of politics - which I can see as a dilemma in this case - but with the politicizing of global warming by the clear divide between the GOP and the Dems, how else can it be handled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I was really happy to hear that the Greenpeace campaigners were released.  And it feels like about time for NASA and other U.S. agencies to start publically supporting and recognizing the valid fears behind global warming.  Obviously, there is a need for science to remain outside of politics &#8211; which I can see as a dilemma in this case &#8211; but with the politicizing of global warming by the clear divide between the GOP and the Dems, how else can it be handled?</p>
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		<title>By: simon talbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>simon talbot</dc:creator>
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		<description>Anthony Watts,

You make disgraceful and unsupportable assertions in this post. Hansen did not  &#039;side with vandalism&#039;. He made no statement whatsoever regarding any judgment on the case. He testified as an expert witness and commented only upon his understanding of climate change, its attribution and its anticipated consequences.  You may disagree with his judgment, by all means, but your assertion that he &quot;defend[ed] vandalism in the name of a cause&quot; is entirely without basis and  is defamatory.  Your demand that he should be fired for speaking the truth as he understands it to be is tantamount to witch-hunting, forwarded as it is by unsupportable allegations on your part regarding what he said. I &lt;b&gt;suggest&lt;/b&gt; that you should read a transcript of the trial before you assert what you presume he said.  Is that basic decency too much trouble to be taken when you have a &#039;cause&#039; of your own to pursue?

Frankly, shame on you.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Flying across the Atlantic at the request of the defense pretty clearly says that he &quot;sides&quot; with them. He simply could have said no, and remained impartial. He made a choice. The choice was to help the Greenpeace defense team. That is called taking a side. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony Watts,</p>
<p>You make disgraceful and unsupportable assertions in this post. Hansen did not  &#8217;side with vandalism&#8217;. He made no statement whatsoever regarding any judgment on the case. He testified as an expert witness and commented only upon his understanding of climate change, its attribution and its anticipated consequences.  You may disagree with his judgment, by all means, but your assertion that he &#8220;defend[ed] vandalism in the name of a cause&#8221; is entirely without basis and  is defamatory.  Your demand that he should be fired for speaking the truth as he understands it to be is tantamount to witch-hunting, forwarded as it is by unsupportable allegations on your part regarding what he said. I <b>suggest</b> that you should read a transcript of the trial before you assert what you presume he said.  Is that basic decency too much trouble to be taken when you have a &#8217;cause&#8217; of your own to pursue?</p>
<p>Frankly, shame on you.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Flying across the Atlantic at the request of the defense pretty clearly says that he &#8220;sides&#8221; with them. He simply could have said no, and remained impartial. He made a choice. The choice was to help the Greenpeace defense team. That is called taking a side.</p>
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		<title>By: Diatribical Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diatribical Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike Bryant:   I knew that when I wrote it.  Still, whatever you think of Hansen, I always do try and remember that this is another human being we&#039;re talking about.  

But, egad.   I re-read the part you quoted, and the short part after that and I am embarrassed that I didn&#039;t catch my typos before I sent it.   That Diatribe makes me look like an Idiot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Bryant:   I knew that when I wrote it.  Still, whatever you think of Hansen, I always do try and remember that this is another human being we&#8217;re talking about.  </p>
<p>But, egad.   I re-read the part you quoted, and the short part after that and I am embarrassed that I didn&#8217;t catch my typos before I sent it.   That Diatribe makes me look like an Idiot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jprfehrenbacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>jprfehrenbacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Hansen is a [snip]. It&#039;s incredible how far people will go because of their intellectual arrogance.

What I&#039;m sure those Greenpeace people don&#039;t understand is that power stations like the one they damaged enable scientists to do work on finding safer ways of creating energy. They certainly can&#039;t do their research in the dark!

And another thing. If all of these &quot;awful, terrible, planet raping&quot; power plants were shut down, we&#039;d start burning wood to stay warm. And it&#039;s not probable that everybody would survive the winters. So in order to save the earth and mankind by cutting our dependence on oil, coal, and gas, we would start chopping down the forests and freezing to death. Pretty ironic.

However, hardcore environmentalism may actually be a very serious mental disorder so I won&#039;t say anything to offend them. I&#039;m just that sensitive.

&lt;strong&gt;Reply: &lt;/strong&gt; Let&#039;s avoid ad hominem attacks.  Thanks. - Anne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Hansen is a [snip]. It&#8217;s incredible how far people will go because of their intellectual arrogance.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m sure those Greenpeace people don&#8217;t understand is that power stations like the one they damaged enable scientists to do work on finding safer ways of creating energy. They certainly can&#8217;t do their research in the dark!</p>
<p>And another thing. If all of these &#8220;awful, terrible, planet raping&#8221; power plants were shut down, we&#8217;d start burning wood to stay warm. And it&#8217;s not probable that everybody would survive the winters. So in order to save the earth and mankind by cutting our dependence on oil, coal, and gas, we would start chopping down the forests and freezing to death. Pretty ironic.</p>
<p>However, hardcore environmentalism may actually be a very serious mental disorder so I won&#8217;t say anything to offend them. I&#8217;m just that sensitive.</p>
<p><strong>Reply: </strong> Let&#8217;s avoid ad hominem attacks.  Thanks. &#8211; Anne</p>
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		<title>By: jewishrepublicangirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>jewishrepublicangirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The precedent that&#039;s been set by this jury is appalling.  Vandalism is okay if it&#039;s in the name of preventing global warming?  Does this mean I can steal my neighbor&#039;s gas-guzzling SUV?  Maybe I should just kill my neighbor and prevent him from creating an even greater carbon footprint...

Apparently, all ethics are suspended to prevent greater harm to the environment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The precedent that&#8217;s been set by this jury is appalling.  Vandalism is okay if it&#8217;s in the name of preventing global warming?  Does this mean I can steal my neighbor&#8217;s gas-guzzling SUV?  Maybe I should just kill my neighbor and prevent him from creating an even greater carbon footprint&#8230;</p>
<p>Apparently, all ethics are suspended to prevent greater harm to the environment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Id</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Id</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy is a nutcase.  It would be a great service and give me confidence in the government if they let him go. 

Watt are the odds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy is a nutcase.  It would be a great service and give me confidence in the government if they let him go. </p>
<p>Watt are the odds?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikael H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How serious is UK court?
Al Gore&#039;s alarmism is not ok... but vandalism is ok...  

Oh please, do not fire Hansen. Making him martyr would hurt much more, than anything else:  Science has already lost... haven&#039;t anyone noticed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How serious is UK court?<br />
Al Gore&#8217;s alarmism is not ok&#8230; but vandalism is ok&#8230;  </p>
<p>Oh please, do not fire Hansen. Making him martyr would hurt much more, than anything else:  Science has already lost&#8230; haven&#8217;t anyone noticed?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diatribical Idiot,
You said, &quot;I am loathe to call for someone to be fired or reassigned for expressing personal opinions, in most cases. It is not an easy thing to request, because it affects another person’s livelihood to suggest such a thing.&quot;

Don&#039;t worry about Dr. Hansens livelihood, Soros has that covered just fine. Also just consider the millions he will make on his &quot;tell all&quot; book royalties. The greens will buy lots and lots of books from this ecomartyr.
He will undoubtedly make more money outside of government service.

Mike Bryant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diatribical Idiot,<br />
You said, &#8220;I am loathe to call for someone to be fired or reassigned for expressing personal opinions, in most cases. It is not an easy thing to request, because it affects another person’s livelihood to suggest such a thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about Dr. Hansens livelihood, Soros has that covered just fine. Also just consider the millions he will make on his &#8220;tell all&#8221; book royalties. The greens will buy lots and lots of books from this ecomartyr.<br />
He will undoubtedly make more money outside of government service.</p>
<p>Mike Bryant</p>
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