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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ric, you assume too much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ric, you assume too much.</p>
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		<title>By: Ric Werme</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ric Werme]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud (07:55:31) :

&quot;Jeez, please edit your “personal attack” comment. I take exception to your selective preciosity. ‘Ethnic slur’ would be preferable.&quot;

At the top of the page is a mission statement:  Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, technology, and recent news.

That includes anecdotal evidence, it doesn&#039;t include “personal attack” or ‘ethnic slur’, though perhaps it&#039;s an anthropological question why someone would prefer being censored for one over the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary Gulrud (07:55:31) :</p>
<p>&#8220;Jeez, please edit your “personal attack” comment. I take exception to your selective preciosity. ‘Ethnic slur’ would be preferable.&#8221;</p>
<p>At the top of the page is a mission statement:  Commentary on puzzling things in life, nature, science, technology, and recent news.</p>
<p>That includes anecdotal evidence, it doesn&#8217;t include “personal attack” or ‘ethnic slur’, though perhaps it&#8217;s an anthropological question why someone would prefer being censored for one over the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez,

We all agree you have an important, and unpaid job, in service to all of us.  You aren&#039;t expected to know I&#039;ve supported Pierre more often than not, or have time to sort out everything you read.

The issue related to your use of boilerplate.  You did not have to post anything, a plain [snip] would have told me what I needed to know.

Why do good cops always detest the bad cop?

&lt;strong&gt;Reply: &lt;/strong&gt;Point taken and I apologize. My reasoning is thus, by sometimes explaining certain editorial decisions I give feedback to posters so that they understand the why. Sometimes it&#039;s so obvious that I don&#039;t explain, sometimes when they are borderline I do. It&#039;s all part of trying to get posters to comply to standards without appearing capricious.~charles the moderator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez,</p>
<p>We all agree you have an important, and unpaid job, in service to all of us.  You aren&#8217;t expected to know I&#8217;ve supported Pierre more often than not, or have time to sort out everything you read.</p>
<p>The issue related to your use of boilerplate.  You did not have to post anything, a plain [snip] would have told me what I needed to know.</p>
<p>Why do good cops always detest the bad cop?</p>
<p><strong>Reply: </strong>Point taken and I apologize. My reasoning is thus, by sometimes explaining certain editorial decisions I give feedback to posters so that they understand the why. Sometimes it&#8217;s so obvious that I don&#8217;t explain, sometimes when they are borderline I do. It&#8217;s all part of trying to get posters to comply to standards without appearing capricious.~charles the moderator.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeez, please edit your &quot;personal attack&quot; comment.  I take exception to your selective preciosity.  &#039;Ethnic slur&#039; would be preferable.

&lt;strong&gt;Reply: &lt;/strong&gt; Please do not accuse me of being selective. It&#039;s my job to maintain standards and I try very hard to to it in an even-handed manner~charles the moderator aka jeez]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, please edit your &#8220;personal attack&#8221; comment.  I take exception to your selective preciosity.  &#8216;Ethnic slur&#8217; would be preferable.</p>
<p><strong>Reply: </strong> Please do not accuse me of being selective. It&#8217;s my job to maintain standards and I try very hard to to it in an even-handed manner~charles the moderator aka jeez</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Gulrud</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34478</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Gulrud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The steady use of randomly selected anecdotes by this website does nothing to increase its integrity. Like it or not, that’s my view.&quot;

&quot;Of course it’s Anthony’s site, and he’ll do as he darn well pleases. But hopefully he’ll simply consider my comments as “suggestions for improvement”.

Come on Pierre!  Look around at your fellow commenters.  Take a sample, estimate the population.  

If Anthony&#039;s intent were plebian don&#039;t you think all these publicans would be rather scarce.

Now what does that tell you,  Pierre?  I&#039;d say you&#039;re fears imply you think that you just might be a standard deviation or two above the bulge.  

[snip, personal attack~charles the moderator]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The steady use of randomly selected anecdotes by this website does nothing to increase its integrity. Like it or not, that’s my view.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course it’s Anthony’s site, and he’ll do as he darn well pleases. But hopefully he’ll simply consider my comments as “suggestions for improvement”.</p>
<p>Come on Pierre!  Look around at your fellow commenters.  Take a sample, estimate the population.  </p>
<p>If Anthony&#8217;s intent were plebian don&#8217;t you think all these publicans would be rather scarce.</p>
<p>Now what does that tell you,  Pierre?  I&#8217;d say you&#8217;re fears imply you think that you just might be a standard deviation or two above the bulge.  </p>
<p>[snip, personal attack~charles the moderator]</p>
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		<title>By: David Archibald</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Archibald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian

Got it  - thanks very much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian</p>
<p>Got it  &#8211; thanks very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian D</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David

The file came from here.
http://cdo.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/climaps/climaps.pl?directive=order_details&amp;subrnum=&amp;region=Lower%2048%20States&amp;filename=temp06b

You can try the their instructions for the ArcExplorer and see if those files satisfy your need, but other than that, that is it.

I&#039;ve looked around for different sources, but no luck. Sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>The file came from here.<br />
<a href="http://cdo.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/climaps/climaps.pl?directive=order_details&#038;subrnum=&#038;region=Lower%2048%20States&#038;filename=temp06b" rel="nofollow">http://cdo.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/climaps/climaps.pl?directive=order_details&#038;subrnum=&#038;region=Lower%2048%20States&#038;filename=temp06b</a></p>
<p>You can try the their instructions for the ArcExplorer and see if those files satisfy your need, but other than that, that is it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked around for different sources, but no luck. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34435</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This site has continental record high and low temperatures:

http://www.weatherexplained.com/Vol-1/Record-Setting-Weather.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site has continental record high and low temperatures:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weatherexplained.com/Vol-1/Record-Setting-Weather.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.weatherexplained.com/Vol-1/Record-Setting-Weather.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Sadlov</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Sadlov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Northern California is experiencing typical late September or early October weather. In all respects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Northern California is experiencing typical late September or early October weather. In all respects.</p>
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		<title>By: R Soul</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/25/more-frost-advisories-before-labor-day/#comment-34290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Soul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cold weather, warm weather, all makes great conversation!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cold weather, warm weather, all makes great conversation!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Bryant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Bryant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talk about warming... look at these temps.

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Continent.jpg

I wonder if anyone has a similar list of lows...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about warming&#8230; look at these temps.</p>
<p><a href="http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Continent.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Continent.jpg</a></p>
<p>I wonder if anyone has a similar list of lows&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if you are going to give one side of the coin (in this case the high/low setup on the Pacific coast), you better cite the &quot;anecdotal&quot; evidence of warming.

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA
328 AM PDT WED AUG 27 2008

...NEAR RECORD HEAT EXPECTED THURSDAY ACROSS THE EAST AND SOUTH BAY..

STRONG HIGH PRESSURE AND LIGHT OFFSHORE WINDS WILL BRING
SIGNIFICANT WARMING TO THE GREATER SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGION TODAY
INTO THURSDAY. TEMPERATURES WILL WARM TO SEVERAL DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL
TODAY WITH 80S NEAR THE COAST AND READINGS WELL INTO THE 90S
INLAND. BY THURSDAY RECORD OR NEAR RECORD HEAT WILL BE POSSIBLE
ACROSS MOST OF THE REGION. IN PARTICULAR THE POPULATED AREAS OF
THE EAST AND SOUTH BAY WILL EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE HOTTEST
TEMPERATURES ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you are going to give one side of the coin (in this case the high/low setup on the Pacific coast), you better cite the &#8220;anecdotal&#8221; evidence of warming.</p>
<p>URGENT &#8211; WEATHER MESSAGE<br />
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA<br />
328 AM PDT WED AUG 27 2008</p>
<p>&#8230;NEAR RECORD HEAT EXPECTED THURSDAY ACROSS THE EAST AND SOUTH BAY..</p>
<p>STRONG HIGH PRESSURE AND LIGHT OFFSHORE WINDS WILL BRING<br />
SIGNIFICANT WARMING TO THE GREATER SAN FRANCISCO BAY REGION TODAY<br />
INTO THURSDAY. TEMPERATURES WILL WARM TO SEVERAL DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL<br />
TODAY WITH 80S NEAR THE COAST AND READINGS WELL INTO THE 90S<br />
INLAND. BY THURSDAY RECORD OR NEAR RECORD HEAT WILL BE POSSIBLE<br />
ACROSS MOST OF THE REGION. IN PARTICULAR THE POPULATED AREAS OF<br />
THE EAST AND SOUTH BAY WILL EXPERIENCE SOME OF THE HOTTEST<br />
TEMPERATURES ON THURSDAY AFTERNOON.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael J. Bentley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael J. Bentley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The argument about anecdotal evidence seems specious to me.  If there&#039;s one thing we all can talk about, it&#039;s the weather. That weather is, for the most part, what humankind has considered important throughout history, the situation right around us.  Someone else may be baking, but we are cold, so that&#039;s what&#039;s important to us.  

The ability to see data gathered from far flung areas in real time is pretty recent.  So gabbing about it is interesting and fun.  Here in Colorado, we have &quot;microclimes&quot; (I think I spelled that right...) that is my &quot;weather&quot; and the &quot;weather&quot; just a mile or so away might be quite different.  Think of a thunderstorm passing overhead.  That can reduce the temperature 10-20 degrees in a very short time.  So my reality in a storm will be quite different from a neighbor who sees the storm pass by with no more than cool wind gusts for a time.

To speak of someone as &quot;psudointellectual&quot; is a real put down.  Most folks understand the difference between local, regional and world data, and also long term and short term.  Stated another way,  I think I&#039;ve learned more from farmers, mechanics and cleaning people than folks with letters after their name. 

nuff said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument about anecdotal evidence seems specious to me.  If there&#8217;s one thing we all can talk about, it&#8217;s the weather. That weather is, for the most part, what humankind has considered important throughout history, the situation right around us.  Someone else may be baking, but we are cold, so that&#8217;s what&#8217;s important to us.  </p>
<p>The ability to see data gathered from far flung areas in real time is pretty recent.  So gabbing about it is interesting and fun.  Here in Colorado, we have &#8220;microclimes&#8221; (I think I spelled that right&#8230;) that is my &#8220;weather&#8221; and the &#8220;weather&#8221; just a mile or so away might be quite different.  Think of a thunderstorm passing overhead.  That can reduce the temperature 10-20 degrees in a very short time.  So my reality in a storm will be quite different from a neighbor who sees the storm pass by with no more than cool wind gusts for a time.</p>
<p>To speak of someone as &#8220;psudointellectual&#8221; is a real put down.  Most folks understand the difference between local, regional and world data, and also long term and short term.  Stated another way,  I think I&#8217;ve learned more from farmers, mechanics and cleaning people than folks with letters after their name. </p>
<p>nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Austin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Archibald,

You might want to look at McFarland Signature events as well. These greatly determine the viability of certain types of crops grown in the US East of the Rocky Mountains. McFarland events drive very cold air from Siberia over the poles and down into North America for a prolonged period, sometimes as far as Costa Rica and into the Tropical Pacific ( via the Darien Gap )  and as far East as the Bahamas. 

This cold air is so cold that it kills succulent plants such as citrus and others that cannot tolerate sub-freezing temps. These events should be very apparent in the fossil pollen record. They also do a number on winter wheat, alfalfa, and other crops that cannot stand prolonged cold temps - they effectively push the crop zones 500+ miles further south.  They are also very hard on livestock. 

McFarland events used to be common &lt; 1900, mostly ceased from 1900-1950, then appear to have started up in the early 1980s again.  The McFarland event of 1899 was so cold that Galveston Bay froze over. 

They should be ( and are ) relatively apparent in pollen studies from plant community changes. 

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ssd/techmemo/tm88.htm

http://www.raingardens.com/psst/articles/artic03.htm
http://www.raingardens.com/psst/articles/artic02.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Archibald,</p>
<p>You might want to look at McFarland Signature events as well. These greatly determine the viability of certain types of crops grown in the US East of the Rocky Mountains. McFarland events drive very cold air from Siberia over the poles and down into North America for a prolonged period, sometimes as far as Costa Rica and into the Tropical Pacific ( via the Darien Gap )  and as far East as the Bahamas. </p>
<p>This cold air is so cold that it kills succulent plants such as citrus and others that cannot tolerate sub-freezing temps. These events should be very apparent in the fossil pollen record. They also do a number on winter wheat, alfalfa, and other crops that cannot stand prolonged cold temps &#8211; they effectively push the crop zones 500+ miles further south.  They are also very hard on livestock. </p>
<p>McFarland events used to be common &lt; 1900, mostly ceased from 1900-1950, then appear to have started up in the early 1980s again.  The McFarland event of 1899 was so cold that Galveston Bay froze over. </p>
<p>They should be ( and are ) relatively apparent in pollen studies from plant community changes. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ssd/techmemo/tm88.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ssd/techmemo/tm88.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.raingardens.com/psst/articles/artic03.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.raingardens.com/psst/articles/artic03.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://www.raingardens.com/psst/articles/artic02.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.raingardens.com/psst/articles/artic02.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Austin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The MRF has a major cold front pushing to the Gulf Coast for Sep 3rd/4th timeframe with temps in the 30s for the upper plains and midwest.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MRF has a major cold front pushing to the Gulf Coast for Sep 3rd/4th timeframe with temps in the 30s for the upper plains and midwest.</p>
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