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	<title>Comments on: Upper Wisconsin and Minnesota Forecast: Frost and Freeze Before Labor Day</title>
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		<title>By: Mary Leonard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coleman and Franken going at it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0v2e2nyJYQ&amp;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fAcNA8XVOs&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coleman and Franken going at it!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will know it is global warming when the orange orchards are back in Georgia and South Carolina.  Right now the winters are to cold for the oranges.

In the book &quot;1421&quot; the author talks about how the Chinese Armada sailed across the northern edge of Canada.  They mapped the land mass.  The only way they could sail across is because it was warmer.   If you recall the English explorer Henry Hudson could not find passage across Canada.  A mini ice age started  by 1430.

At one time wine vineyards were growing in Greenland and in Nova Scotia.
Not any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will know it is global warming when the orange orchards are back in Georgia and South Carolina.  Right now the winters are to cold for the oranges.</p>
<p>In the book &#8220;1421&#8243; the author talks about how the Chinese Armada sailed across the northern edge of Canada.  They mapped the land mass.  The only way they could sail across is because it was warmer.   If you recall the English explorer Henry Hudson could not find passage across Canada.  A mini ice age started  by 1430.</p>
<p>At one time wine vineyards were growing in Greenland and in Nova Scotia.<br />
Not any more.</p>
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		<title>By: gwendyt</title>
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		<dc:creator>gwendyt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RJ:

&quot;Lakes did not freeze over as predicted...&quot;

Um...   were there really those predicting that lakes would freeze over?   It takes more than a few hour dip below freezing for that to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RJ:</p>
<p>&#8220;Lakes did not freeze over as predicted&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Um&#8230;   were there really those predicting that lakes would freeze over?   It takes more than a few hour dip below freezing for that to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ Hendrickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>RJ Hendrickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest news from N. Minnesota (10 miles east of Hibbing): lakes did not freeze over as predicted, low last night was 38F at my residence.  Dunno where the official temp is taken, must be at the top of the local radio tower (not much in the way of hills around here) to get that below freezing temp.   With all the windows open, the trailer only got down to 60F this morning, and it was in the 70&#039;s today during the day.   I think the weather service extrapolates these temps somehow, based on a weather station in Duluth and calls them &#039;official&#039;.  Sounds like the methods of someone else involved in the global warming climate change  scientology debate that we&#039;ve heard about..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest news from N. Minnesota (10 miles east of Hibbing): lakes did not freeze over as predicted, low last night was 38F at my residence.  Dunno where the official temp is taken, must be at the top of the local radio tower (not much in the way of hills around here) to get that below freezing temp.   With all the windows open, the trailer only got down to 60F this morning, and it was in the 70&#8217;s today during the day.   I think the weather service extrapolates these temps somehow, based on a weather station in Duluth and calls them &#8216;official&#8217;.  Sounds like the methods of someone else involved in the global warming climate change  scientology debate that we&#8217;ve heard about&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: More frost advisories before Labor Day &#171; Watts Up With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator>More frost advisories before Labor Day &#171; Watts Up With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Upper Wisconsin and Minnesota Forecast: Frost and Freeze Before Labor&#160;Day  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wind machines are used to prevent frost damage in orchards.  I wasn&#039;t speaking of blow hards.  But the double meaning is a hoot!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind machines are used to prevent frost damage in orchards.  I wasn&#8217;t speaking of blow hards.  But the double meaning is a hoot!!!</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>statePoet1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Bet the wind machines will be out in force tonight.&quot; Pamela 

I&#039;m doing my best.  But since California is insanely green, a light coating of white might be good for them</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Bet the wind machines will be out in force tonight.&#8221; Pamela </p>
<p>I&#8217;m doing my best.  But since California is insanely green, a light coating of white might be good for them</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Crap!  I just found out we have a frost advisory in Southern Oregon right on the California border!  Just over the border in California is a major wine growing region and grapes have not yet been harvested.  Bet the wind machines will be out in force tonight.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;ve posted on this, thank you for the tip. - Anthony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Crap!  I just found out we have a frost advisory in Southern Oregon right on the California border!  Just over the border in California is a major wine growing region and grapes have not yet been harvested.  Bet the wind machines will be out in force tonight.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> I&#8217;ve posted on this, thank you for the tip. &#8211; Anthony</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Latta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Latta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JP Rourke: &quot;except that we usually have a warm spell sometime in January/February, which we didn’t this past winter.&quot;

Good observation.  I remember that now.  It never really melted enough to clear all of the snow/ice off the sidewalks during the winter.

My prediction is that we&#039;ll have a bumper crop of bright leaves if this cooler than average weather pattern holds up without a freeze.  (Since it is almost useless to predict the weather for the winter...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP Rourke: &#8220;except that we usually have a warm spell sometime in January/February, which we didn’t this past winter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good observation.  I remember that now.  It never really melted enough to clear all of the snow/ice off the sidewalks during the winter.</p>
<p>My prediction is that we&#8217;ll have a bumper crop of bright leaves if this cooler than average weather pattern holds up without a freeze.  (Since it is almost useless to predict the weather for the winter&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diatribical Idiot,

Nice site you linked to.  w/respect to &quot;Can someone explain to me what the deal is with Mexico?&quot;  I was there in late July, north of Mexico City (Queretaro and Tecozautla), and I had to wear a jacket in the mornings, it was high 50&#039;s low 60&#039;s where I was.  Warmed up nicely during the day.  Its a dry, mountainous area so maybe that&#039;s not so unusual, but the map colors that area pink, as warmer than normal. 

Similarly (more anecdotal) a few weeks before that I was on the coast of the Dominican Republic in the last week of June, first part of July and I was very comfortable taking afternoon naps with only a fan going.  In April 2007 I was sweating like a horse in that same area, this year&#039;s July was much milder.

But I agree, the map for Mexico looks strange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diatribical Idiot,</p>
<p>Nice site you linked to.  w/respect to &#8220;Can someone explain to me what the deal is with Mexico?&#8221;  I was there in late July, north of Mexico City (Queretaro and Tecozautla), and I had to wear a jacket in the mornings, it was high 50&#8217;s low 60&#8217;s where I was.  Warmed up nicely during the day.  Its a dry, mountainous area so maybe that&#8217;s not so unusual, but the map colors that area pink, as warmer than normal. </p>
<p>Similarly (more anecdotal) a few weeks before that I was on the coast of the Dominican Republic in the last week of June, first part of July and I was very comfortable taking afternoon naps with only a fan going.  In April 2007 I was sweating like a horse in that same area, this year&#8217;s July was much milder.</p>
<p>But I agree, the map for Mexico looks strange.</p>
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		<title>By: JP Rourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve W: Don&#039;t know about CA, but I was reading that the warmer weather in Alaska resulted from the colder canadian air dipping further south which is what gave the northern U.S. some colder weather in the spring... it certainly was cooler, and later, here in Iowa!

On the other hand, I recall in the 60s that frost almost always came in early September (like Labor Day, the first week of school) and a freeze by October 1st... but that hasn&#039;t seemed to happen at all, the last 10 years at least. If we were getting frost by Sep 10th or so, regularly, I would think that frost in MN about now would not be unusual... freezing temps of course are, but is that widespread or just localized? And, will it continue, or is it just a temporary departure from the norm?

This winter was extremely snowy (which is the main reason for the disastrous flood here in Cedar Rapids), and that was due to a warmer winter (when it&#039;s colder it doesn&#039;t snow)... except that we usually have a warm spell sometime in January/February, which we didn&#039;t this past winter.

On the other other hand, a few years ago it was SO warm that it was too warm for snow (it rained all December, which is why I finally mowed my lawn for the last time of the season in January that year, when it dried out), and April got into the 80s and never went down (but, in even earlier years it has actually snowed in May, not to mention April of course)

So, what to make of all this &#039;evidence&#039;? I have no idea, except that I predict it will be colder this year and less snow... unless it&#039;s warmer, in which case we&#039;ll probably have less snow... (We had a LOT of snow this past year!)

By the way, I wonder how Norway is doing? Form what I understand it was a very warm winter there, I wonder how their summer is?

But ultimately, I do have a question... accuweather keeps showing the monthly charts showing most of the world is warmer, even through this summer, with lots of red dots (+ variance) and only a few blue ones... yet I see so many people here talking about global cooling. How are the two resolved, where are the charts that show global cooling, I&#039;d like to see that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve W: Don&#8217;t know about CA, but I was reading that the warmer weather in Alaska resulted from the colder canadian air dipping further south which is what gave the northern U.S. some colder weather in the spring&#8230; it certainly was cooler, and later, here in Iowa!</p>
<p>On the other hand, I recall in the 60s that frost almost always came in early September (like Labor Day, the first week of school) and a freeze by October 1st&#8230; but that hasn&#8217;t seemed to happen at all, the last 10 years at least. If we were getting frost by Sep 10th or so, regularly, I would think that frost in MN about now would not be unusual&#8230; freezing temps of course are, but is that widespread or just localized? And, will it continue, or is it just a temporary departure from the norm?</p>
<p>This winter was extremely snowy (which is the main reason for the disastrous flood here in Cedar Rapids), and that was due to a warmer winter (when it&#8217;s colder it doesn&#8217;t snow)&#8230; except that we usually have a warm spell sometime in January/February, which we didn&#8217;t this past winter.</p>
<p>On the other other hand, a few years ago it was SO warm that it was too warm for snow (it rained all December, which is why I finally mowed my lawn for the last time of the season in January that year, when it dried out), and April got into the 80s and never went down (but, in even earlier years it has actually snowed in May, not to mention April of course)</p>
<p>So, what to make of all this &#8216;evidence&#8217;? I have no idea, except that I predict it will be colder this year and less snow&#8230; unless it&#8217;s warmer, in which case we&#8217;ll probably have less snow&#8230; (We had a LOT of snow this past year!)</p>
<p>By the way, I wonder how Norway is doing? Form what I understand it was a very warm winter there, I wonder how their summer is?</p>
<p>But ultimately, I do have a question&#8230; accuweather keeps showing the monthly charts showing most of the world is warmer, even through this summer, with lots of red dots (+ variance) and only a few blue ones&#8230; yet I see so many people here talking about global cooling. How are the two resolved, where are the charts that show global cooling, I&#8217;d like to see that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Latta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Latta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan McCune,

A bit of facetiousness, no doubt.  I have read that Germans were having some problems with reduced barley acreage due to the competition between brew and fuel.  (Home)brewers have been already hard hit by real hop shortages in terms of price and availability.  The Great Hop Shortage of &#039;08 is mostly due to market practices that plague commodities markets across the world (boom and bust cycles) and some bad weather in a few places.  

Of course the corn crop in the Corn Belt is up from dismal predictions early in the summer with all of that La Nina rain we got this spring/early summer.  

The solution (I guess): switch to grain alcohol.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan McCune,</p>
<p>A bit of facetiousness, no doubt.  I have read that Germans were having some problems with reduced barley acreage due to the competition between brew and fuel.  (Home)brewers have been already hard hit by real hop shortages in terms of price and availability.  The Great Hop Shortage of &#8216;08 is mostly due to market practices that plague commodities markets across the world (boom and bust cycles) and some bad weather in a few places.  </p>
<p>Of course the corn crop in the Corn Belt is up from dismal predictions early in the summer with all of that La Nina rain we got this spring/early summer.  </p>
<p>The solution (I guess): switch to grain alcohol.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveSadlov</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveSadlov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pamela, that is not very encouraging. The Far West is having a bad summer. Not only did it start late, it was affected by insolation reduction due to smoke. And now, summer is over weeks prior to the equinox. Oh sure we&#039;ll get a couple more &quot;heat waves&quot; but those will be autumnal type events. By the normal time of such events, weather will likely be more of a true winter pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pamela, that is not very encouraging. The Far West is having a bad summer. Not only did it start late, it was affected by insolation reduction due to smoke. And now, summer is over weeks prior to the equinox. Oh sure we&#8217;ll get a couple more &#8220;heat waves&#8221; but those will be autumnal type events. By the normal time of such events, weather will likely be more of a true winter pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill (13:58:16)- 

DC was 92 today, +7 on the high.  A 79 tomorrow would be -6.  I don&#039;t see the big deal.  August will finish about normal on the month, following a very warm June and a warm July.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill (13:58:16)- </p>
<p>DC was 92 today, +7 on the high.  A 79 tomorrow would be -6.  I don&#8217;t see the big deal.  August will finish about normal on the month, following a very warm June and a warm July.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Temperature Anomaly Outlook for September to November 2008 is expected to be below normal for most of Canada.  The southern portion of the Prairies and the majority of Ontario are expected to be at near normal temperatures.  Quebec and the Maritimes look to be getting a mixed bag of normal, below normal and above normal temperatures.

http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?img=s234fe1t_s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Temperature Anomaly Outlook for September to November 2008 is expected to be below normal for most of Canada.  The southern portion of the Prairies and the majority of Ontario are expected to be at near normal temperatures.  Quebec and the Maritimes look to be getting a mixed bag of normal, below normal and above normal temperatures.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?img=s234fe1t_s" rel="nofollow">http://www.weatheroffice.gc.ca/saisons/image_e.html?img=s234fe1t_s</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pamela Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>High plains of northeast Oregon at the base of the Wallowa Mountains: 23 degrees colder than last month, 18 degrees colder than last year.  I had to wear a jacket at 2:00 in the afternoon to mow my lawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>High plains of northeast Oregon at the base of the Wallowa Mountains: 23 degrees colder than last month, 18 degrees colder than last year.  I had to wear a jacket at 2:00 in the afternoon to mow my lawn.</p>
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		<title>By: John-X</title>
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		<dc:creator>John-X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve W. (14:17:17) :

&quot;What do you call what happens in between, lets say 2-3 months, or 1-10 years?&quot;

&quot;Subseasonal&quot; is a term I predict you&#039;re going to be hearing more

http://weatherclimatelink.blogspot.com

Warning: This is an acronym-intensive website.  This site

http://www.weatherlinkhub.com/climate/telec.html

may help you sort through it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve W. (14:17:17) :</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you call what happens in between, lets say 2-3 months, or 1-10 years?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Subseasonal&#8221; is a term I predict you&#8217;re going to be hearing more</p>
<p><a href="http://weatherclimatelink.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://weatherclimatelink.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>Warning: This is an acronym-intensive website.  This site</p>
<p><a href="http://www.weatherlinkhub.com/climate/telec.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.weatherlinkhub.com/climate/telec.html</a></p>
<p>may help you sort through it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These reports make me wonder WHY cold weather is happening in Wisconsin/Minnesota/Alaska but not here in Southern California?  Is it something like the jet stream being north of it&#039;s usual position?  Does the trend there mean anything for where I live?  Often when we get good rains here, Washington state reports a drought, and vice-versa.  It seems like a zero-sum game.

I am trying to figure out what to call the short term trends (maybe I just did).   Weather is defined as the conditions in the air right now.  Climate is some kind of long term trend.  What do you call what happens in between, lets say 2-3 months, or 1-10 years?

BTW. Thanks Anthony for making such a great site.  It seems very friendly here.

&lt;strong&gt;REPLY:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks, everyone has to behave here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These reports make me wonder WHY cold weather is happening in Wisconsin/Minnesota/Alaska but not here in Southern California?  Is it something like the jet stream being north of it&#8217;s usual position?  Does the trend there mean anything for where I live?  Often when we get good rains here, Washington state reports a drought, and vice-versa.  It seems like a zero-sum game.</p>
<p>I am trying to figure out what to call the short term trends (maybe I just did).   Weather is defined as the conditions in the air right now.  Climate is some kind of long term trend.  What do you call what happens in between, lets say 2-3 months, or 1-10 years?</p>
<p>BTW. Thanks Anthony for making such a great site.  It seems very friendly here.</p>
<p><strong>REPLY:</strong> Thanks, everyone has to behave here.</p>
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		<title>By: Diatribical Idiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diatribical Idiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to check out these maps on a weekly basis:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/

Comments:
(1) Right now, there look to be a number of negative departures (especially Australia - our friends down under appear to be freezing), and most other regions are around average
(2) Can someone explain to me what the deal is with Mexico?   It&#039;s a bizarre map, to say the least.
(3) The one area that is bright red is part of the Former Soviet Union.  I wonder how much weight that are will be given in the final anomaly analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to check out these maps on a weekly basis:<br />
<a href="http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/regional_monitoring/</a></p>
<p>Comments:<br />
(1) Right now, there look to be a number of negative departures (especially Australia &#8211; our friends down under appear to be freezing), and most other regions are around average<br />
(2) Can someone explain to me what the deal is with Mexico?   It&#8217;s a bizarre map, to say the least.<br />
(3) The one area that is bright red is part of the Former Soviet Union.  I wonder how much weight that are will be given in the final anomaly analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From looking at the ASU sat data it looks like August is about .15C cooler than July and most forecasts have continued cool weather forecast for the rest of the month.

I know in DC it is supposed to hit a high of 79F tomorrow --- 79F , in DC, in August, are you kidding me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From looking at the ASU sat data it looks like August is about .15C cooler than July and most forecasts have continued cool weather forecast for the rest of the month.</p>
<p>I know in DC it is supposed to hit a high of 79F tomorrow &#8212; 79F , in DC, in August, are you kidding me?</p>
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