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		<title>By: Kristal L. Rosebrook</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post

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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correction:
Usoskin, Ilya G. and Gennady A. Kovaltsov, &lt;a href=&quot;http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2006JD007150.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosmic ray induced ionization in the atmosphere:&lt;/a&gt; Full modeling and practical application, J. Geophysical Research, V. 111, D21206, doi:10.1029/2006JD007150, 20068 November 2006.

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Usoskin, Ilya G. and Gennady A. Kovaltsov, <a href="http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2006JD007150.pdf" rel="nofollow">Cosmic ray induced ionization in the atmosphere:</a> Full modeling and practical application, J. Geophysical Research, V. 111, D21206, doi:10.1029/2006JD007150, 20068 November 2006.</p>
<p><a href="http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2006JD007150.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2006JD007150.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[On Cosmoclimatology, see detailed Monte Carlo ion modeling at:

Usoskin, Ilya G. and Gennady A. Kovaltsov, &lt;a href=&quot;//cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2006JD007150.pdf“&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosmic ray induced ionization in the atmosphere: Full modeling and practical application,&lt;/a&gt; J. Geophysical Research, V. 111, D21206, doi:10.1029/2006JD007150, 20068 November 2006.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Cosmoclimatology, see detailed Monte Carlo ion modeling at:</p>
<p>Usoskin, Ilya G. and Gennady A. Kovaltsov, <a href="//cc.oulu.fi/~usoskin/personal/2006JD007150.pdf“" rel="nofollow">Cosmic ray induced ionization in the atmosphere: Full modeling and practical application,</a> J. Geophysical Research, V. 111, D21206, doi:10.1029/2006JD007150, 20068 November 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap2-3/public-review-draft/default.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aerosol properties and their impacts on climate&lt;/a&gt; Synthesis and Assessment Product 2.3
I could not find any reference to galactic cosmic ray induced ions, as a source of aerosols and cloud nucleation, nor to Henrik Svenmark&#039;s Cosmoclimatology.
With the &lt;b&gt;deadline end of work today, &lt;/b&gt;may I encourage others to at least pick up some comment and weigh in on it.
Otherwise submit comments that the future summary document ignores this important research.
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Following are some references to relevant documents and sources on Cosmoclimatology.
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* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Center for Sun-Climate &lt;/a&gt;,  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.space.dtu.dk/english.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Danish National Space Center&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;“The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name &quot;cosmoclimatology&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Publications&lt;/a&gt;
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/cosmoclimatology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosmoclimatology&lt;/a&gt;

* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.space.dtu.dk/English/Research/Research_sections/Sun_Climate/Publications_full_text_SC.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Sun-Climate Publications-Full Text&lt;/a&gt; 

* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/cosmoclimatology/a-brief-summary-on-cosmoclimatology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A brief summary of cosmoclimatology&lt;/a&gt; “Summary of a review article on cosmoclimatology by Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center, published in Astronomy &amp; Geophysics, February 2007.”

* Harrison. R. Giles; &amp; David B. Stephenson, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fsecamlocal.ex.ac.uk%2Fpeople%2Fstaff%2Fdbs202%2Fpublications%2F2006%2Fharrison2006.pdf&amp;ei=dtSySK2ZFJy0iAHV56iEDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNE8ZHmwm8t0h1EWbKPN_Y3xemMhTg&amp;sig2=5mkOrJ7hJlzCCnB-XWfXIQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Empirical evidence for a nonlinear effect of galactic cosmic rays on clouds.&lt;/a&gt;  Proc. Roy. Soc. A. V462, Nr 2068, Apr. 8, 2006, 1221-1233.

* Marsh, Nigel, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/e3a965fb4c422d284418e34c4a2f2cde&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Galactic cosmic ray and El Niño–Southern Oscillation trends in International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project D2 low-cloud properties,&lt;/a&gt; J. Geophysical Research, V. 108, No. D6, 4195, doi:10.1029/2001JD001264, 2003 

* Marsh, Nigel D. &amp; Henrik Svensmark, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/eadb48af2cd1bf4b170f9d7c6fbf31b2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Low Cloud Properties Influenced by Cosmic Rays,&lt;/a&gt; Phys. Rev. Letters, 4, Dec. 2000, Vol. 85, No. 23, 5004-5007.

* Rusov, V; A. Glushkov, V. Vaschenko, O. Mihalys, S. Kosenko, S. Mavrodiev, B. Vachev, &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.2765?context=physics.ao-ph&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Galactic Cosmic Rays - Clouds Effect and Bifurcation Model of the Earth Global Climate. Part 1. Theory, &lt;/a&gt; Atmospheric and Oceanic Physics, (2008) In Press

* Rusov, V; A. Glushkov, V. Vaschenko, О. Mihalys, S. Kosenko, S. Mavrodiev, B. Vachev, &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.2766?context=physics.ao-ph&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Galactic Cosmic Rays – Clouds Effect and Bifurcation Model of the Earth Global Climate. Part 2. Comparison of Theory with Experiment. &lt;/a&gt; Atmospheric and Oceanic Physics, (2008) In Press

* Svensmark, Henrik, &amp; Eigil Friis-Christensen, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/5b604472894dadd59102474e2705b269&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Variation of cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage – a missing link in solar-climate relationships, &lt;/a&gt; J. Atmospheric &amp; Solar-Terrestrial Physics, V. 59, N. 11, pp. 1225-1232, 1997

* Svensmark, Henrik, Jens Olaf P. Pedersen, Nigel D. Marsh, Martin B. Enghoff, &amp; Ulrik I Uggerhǿj, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/1f09645cb14320a460fc697de6be993b&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Experimental evidence for the role of ions in particle nucleation under atmospheric conditions, &lt;/a&gt;Proc. Royal Soc. A. 2006, 1773.

* Svensmark, Henrik, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/86c49eb9229b3a7478e8d12407643bed&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosmoclimatology: a new theory emerges.&lt;/a&gt; A &amp; G, February 2007, Vol. 48 #1, 18-24

* Usoskin, I.G. &amp; N. Marsh, G. A. Kovaltsov, K. Mursula, O. G. Gladysheva, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=2&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosis.net%2Fabstracts%2FCOSPAR04%2F01683%2FCOSPAR04-A-01683-1.pdf&amp;ei=ONWySP3JOoOEiAGTj8D1Dg&amp;usg=AFQjCNFV974OXEF-H1YuCHWqAt2UFOY1yg&amp;sig2=RMzlVheQHKQplE-OIdY4kA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Latitudinal dependence of low cloud amount on cosmic ray induced ionization,&lt;/a&gt; Geophysical Research Letters Vol. 31, L16109, doi:10.1029/2004GL019507, 2004 

* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fcloud.web.cern.ch%2Fcloud%2F&amp;ei=ndWySIy8LaSCiAGt3MX_Dg&amp;usg=AFQjCNHYMxT2beOVFyzQPuCF4o8KswwuwA&amp;sig2=f31VGixjLfa9IKKyg0gTTQ&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CLOUD Proposal Documents&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;CLOUD – Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets&quot; at &lt;a href=&quot;http://cloud.web.cern.ch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CERN&lt;/a&gt;

* &lt;a href=&quot;http://cloud.web.cern.ch/cloud/documents_cloud/cloud_addendum_3.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;INITIAL CLOUD RESOURCES &amp; SCHEDULE Jan 20, 2006&lt;/a&gt;
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fpress.web.cern.ch%2Fpress%2FPressReleases%2FReleases2006%2FPR14.06E.html&amp;ei=l9aySM7rF4v6iQG3_OmYDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEb20R-M_eX8u58yXZy8KHXEHCNEA&amp;sig2=1GUTPt0_ysY-vzciSTjXaw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;New Experiment to Investigate the Effect of Galactic Cosmic Rays on Clouds and Climate &lt;/a&gt; CERN Press Report Geneva, 19 October 2006. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;“A novel experiment, known as CLOUD (Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets), begins taking its first data today with a prototype detector in a particle beam at CERN1, the world’s largest laboratory for particle physics. The goal of the experiment is to investigate the possible influence of galactic cosmic rays on Earth’s clouds and climate. This represents the first time a high energy physics accelerator has been used for atmospheric and climate science.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

* Brian H. Brown, &lt;a href=&quot;http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/4060/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Short-term changes in global cloud cover and in cosmic radiation,&lt;/a&gt; Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics Volume 70, Issue 7, May 2008, Pages 1122-1131 
&lt;blockquote&gt;“Galactic cosmic rays (GCR) have been suggested as a possible contributory mechanism to cloud formation. . . .There is an association between short-term changes in low cloud cover and galactic cosmic radiation over a period of several days. This could arise if approximately 3% of the variations in cloud cover resulted from GCR.” &lt;blockquote&gt;(significance p=0.06)

* Christiansen, Freddy, Joanna Haigh, &amp; Henrik Lundstedt, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacecenter.dk%2Fresearch%2Fsun-climate%2FProjects%2FWP_700.pdf&amp;ei=5NmySJeeHI6SiwH01ZHjDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNHEEKg45UxOEbjXkGpZ_k7urucNzw&amp;sig2=a4F3UlpHDvDuLtBG8ptlTw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Influence of Solar Activity Cycles on Earth’s Climate, Task 700-Summary Report Conclusions and Recommendations, &lt;/a&gt; Danish National Space Center, April 11, 2007.

* Marsh, Nigel &amp; Torsten Bondo, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacecenter.dk%2Fresearch%2Fsun-climate%2FProjects%2FTN_WP503_DNSC_v05.pdf&amp;ei=qtmySLH3DKWuigHYu7j1Dg&amp;usg=AFQjCNE0sXZH46-Lcl4EloWI8FHX5Zdt6A&amp;sig2=ID1OmoE1sRHAUnlxBC8Flw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Task 5-Hypothetical Physical Mechanisms, WP503-Role of Ionisation, Influence of Solar Activity Cycles on Earth’s Climate,&lt;/a&gt; Danish National Space Center, Sept. 14, 2006”

* Kirkby, Jasper, &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1938&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cosmic rays and climate&lt;/a&gt;Surveys in Geophysics 28, 333–375, doi: 10.1007/s10712-008-9030-6 (2007). (CERN-PH-EP/2008-005, 26 March 2) 42 page review 
The main experiments are:
* Ion-induced nucleation:
* Growth of CN into CCN:
* Activation of CCN into cloud droplets:
* Ice particle formation:
* Collision efficiencies of aerosols and droplets:
* Freezing mechanism of polar stratospheric clouds:
&lt;blockquote&gt;“. . .The most persuasive palaeoclimatic evidence for
solar/GCR forcing involves sub-orbital (centennial and millennial) climate variability over the Holocene, for which there is no established forcing agent at present. Increased GCR flux appears to be associated with a cooler climate, a southerly shift of the ITCZ (Inter Tropical Convergence Zone) and a weakening of the monsoon;. . .The satellite data suggest that decreased GCR flux is associated with decreased low altitude clouds, which are known to exert globally a net radiative cooling effect. Studies of Forbush decreases and solar proton events further suggest that decreased GCR flux may reduce high altitude (polar stratospheric) clouds in the Antarctic.. . .Real progress on the cosmic ray-climate question will require a physical mechanism to be established, or else ruled out. With new experiments planned or underway, such as the CLOUD facility at CERN, there are good prospects that we will have some firm answers to this question within the next few years. . . .”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In <a href="http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap2-3/public-review-draft/default.htm" rel="nofollow">Aerosol properties and their impacts on climate</a> Synthesis and Assessment Product 2.3<br />
I could not find any reference to galactic cosmic ray induced ions, as a source of aerosols and cloud nucleation, nor to Henrik Svenmark&#8217;s Cosmoclimatology.<br />
With the <b>deadline end of work today, </b>may I encourage others to at least pick up some comment and weigh in on it.<br />
Otherwise submit comments that the future summary document ignores this important research.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Following are some references to relevant documents and sources on Cosmoclimatology.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
* <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate" rel="nofollow">The Center for Sun-Climate </a>,  <a href="http://www.space.dtu.dk/english.aspx" rel="nofollow">Danish National Space Center</a></p>
<blockquote><p>“The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name &#8220;cosmoclimatology&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications" rel="nofollow">Publications</a><br />
* <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/cosmoclimatology" rel="nofollow">Cosmoclimatology</a></p>
<p>* <a href="http://www.space.dtu.dk/English/Research/Research_sections/Sun_Climate/Publications_full_text_SC.aspx" rel="nofollow"> Sun-Climate Publications-Full Text</a> </p>
<p>* <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/cosmoclimatology/a-brief-summary-on-cosmoclimatology" rel="nofollow">A brief summary of cosmoclimatology</a> “Summary of a review article on cosmoclimatology by Henrik Svensmark, Danish National Space Center, published in Astronomy &amp; Geophysics, February 2007.”</p>
<p>* Harrison. R. Giles; &amp; David B. Stephenson, <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fsecamlocal.ex.ac.uk%2Fpeople%2Fstaff%2Fdbs202%2Fpublications%2F2006%2Fharrison2006.pdf&amp;ei=dtSySK2ZFJy0iAHV56iEDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNE8ZHmwm8t0h1EWbKPN_Y3xemMhTg&amp;sig2=5mkOrJ7hJlzCCnB-XWfXIQ" rel="nofollow">Empirical evidence for a nonlinear effect of galactic cosmic rays on clouds.</a>  Proc. Roy. Soc. A. V462, Nr 2068, Apr. 8, 2006, 1221-1233.</p>
<p>* Marsh, Nigel, <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/e3a965fb4c422d284418e34c4a2f2cde" rel="nofollow">Galactic cosmic ray and El Niño–Southern Oscillation trends in International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project D2 low-cloud properties,</a> J. Geophysical Research, V. 108, No. D6, 4195, doi:10.1029/2001JD001264, 2003 </p>
<p>* Marsh, Nigel D. &amp; Henrik Svensmark, <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/eadb48af2cd1bf4b170f9d7c6fbf31b2" rel="nofollow">Low Cloud Properties Influenced by Cosmic Rays,</a> Phys. Rev. Letters, 4, Dec. 2000, Vol. 85, No. 23, 5004-5007.</p>
<p>* Rusov, V; A. Glushkov, V. Vaschenko, O. Mihalys, S. Kosenko, S. Mavrodiev, B. Vachev, <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.2765?context=physics.ao-ph" rel="nofollow">Galactic Cosmic Rays &#8211; Clouds Effect and Bifurcation Model of the Earth Global Climate. Part 1. Theory, </a> Atmospheric and Oceanic Physics, (2008) In Press</p>
<p>* Rusov, V; A. Glushkov, V. Vaschenko, О. Mihalys, S. Kosenko, S. Mavrodiev, B. Vachev, <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0803.2766?context=physics.ao-ph" rel="nofollow">Galactic Cosmic Rays – Clouds Effect and Bifurcation Model of the Earth Global Climate. Part 2. Comparison of Theory with Experiment. </a> Atmospheric and Oceanic Physics, (2008) In Press</p>
<p>* Svensmark, Henrik, &amp; Eigil Friis-Christensen, <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/5b604472894dadd59102474e2705b269" rel="nofollow">Variation of cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage – a missing link in solar-climate relationships, </a> J. Atmospheric &amp; Solar-Terrestrial Physics, V. 59, N. 11, pp. 1225-1232, 1997</p>
<p>* Svensmark, Henrik, Jens Olaf P. Pedersen, Nigel D. Marsh, Martin B. Enghoff, &amp; Ulrik I Uggerhǿj, <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/1f09645cb14320a460fc697de6be993b" rel="nofollow">Experimental evidence for the role of ions in particle nucleation under atmospheric conditions, </a>Proc. Royal Soc. A. 2006, 1773.</p>
<p>* Svensmark, Henrik, <a href="http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate/Scientific%20work%20and%20publications/resolveuid/86c49eb9229b3a7478e8d12407643bed" rel="nofollow">Cosmoclimatology: a new theory emerges.</a> A &amp; G, February 2007, Vol. 48 #1, 18-24</p>
<p>* Usoskin, I.G. &amp; N. Marsh, G. A. Kovaltsov, K. Mursula, O. G. Gladysheva, <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=2&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cosis.net%2Fabstracts%2FCOSPAR04%2F01683%2FCOSPAR04-A-01683-1.pdf&amp;ei=ONWySP3JOoOEiAGTj8D1Dg&amp;usg=AFQjCNFV974OXEF-H1YuCHWqAt2UFOY1yg&amp;sig2=RMzlVheQHKQplE-OIdY4kA" rel="nofollow">Latitudinal dependence of low cloud amount on cosmic ray induced ionization,</a> Geophysical Research Letters Vol. 31, L16109, doi:10.1029/2004GL019507, 2004 </p>
<p>* <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fcloud.web.cern.ch%2Fcloud%2F&amp;ei=ndWySIy8LaSCiAGt3MX_Dg&amp;usg=AFQjCNHYMxT2beOVFyzQPuCF4o8KswwuwA&amp;sig2=f31VGixjLfa9IKKyg0gTTQ" rel="nofollow">CLOUD Proposal Documents</a><br />
&#8220;CLOUD – Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets&#8221; at <a href="http://cloud.web.cern.ch/" rel="nofollow">CERN</a></p>
<p>* <a href="http://cloud.web.cern.ch/cloud/documents_cloud/cloud_addendum_3.pdf" rel="nofollow">INITIAL CLOUD RESOURCES &amp; SCHEDULE Jan 20, 2006</a><br />
* <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fpress.web.cern.ch%2Fpress%2FPressReleases%2FReleases2006%2FPR14.06E.html&amp;ei=l9aySM7rF4v6iQG3_OmYDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEb20R-M_eX8u58yXZy8KHXEHCNEA&amp;sig2=1GUTPt0_ysY-vzciSTjXaw" rel="nofollow">New Experiment to Investigate the Effect of Galactic Cosmic Rays on Clouds and Climate </a> CERN Press Report Geneva, 19 October 2006. </p>
<blockquote><p>“A novel experiment, known as CLOUD (Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets), begins taking its first data today with a prototype detector in a particle beam at CERN1, the world’s largest laboratory for particle physics. The goal of the experiment is to investigate the possible influence of galactic cosmic rays on Earth’s clouds and climate. This represents the first time a high energy physics accelerator has been used for atmospheric and climate science.”</p></blockquote>
<p>* Brian H. Brown, <a href="http://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/4060/" rel="nofollow">Short-term changes in global cloud cover and in cosmic radiation,</a> Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics Volume 70, Issue 7, May 2008, Pages 1122-1131 </p>
<blockquote><p>“Galactic cosmic rays (GCR) have been suggested as a possible contributory mechanism to cloud formation. . . .There is an association between short-term changes in low cloud cover and galactic cosmic radiation over a period of several days. This could arise if approximately 3% of the variations in cloud cover resulted from GCR.”<br />
<blockquote>(significance p=0.06)</p>
<p>* Christiansen, Freddy, Joanna Haigh, &amp; Henrik Lundstedt, <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=3&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacecenter.dk%2Fresearch%2Fsun-climate%2FProjects%2FWP_700.pdf&amp;ei=5NmySJeeHI6SiwH01ZHjDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNHEEKg45UxOEbjXkGpZ_k7urucNzw&amp;sig2=a4F3UlpHDvDuLtBG8ptlTw" rel="nofollow">Influence of Solar Activity Cycles on Earth’s Climate, Task 700-Summary Report Conclusions and Recommendations, </a> Danish National Space Center, April 11, 2007.</p>
<p>* Marsh, Nigel &amp; Torsten Bondo, <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;ct=res&amp;cd=1&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spacecenter.dk%2Fresearch%2Fsun-climate%2FProjects%2FTN_WP503_DNSC_v05.pdf&amp;ei=qtmySLH3DKWuigHYu7j1Dg&amp;usg=AFQjCNE0sXZH46-Lcl4EloWI8FHX5Zdt6A&amp;sig2=ID1OmoE1sRHAUnlxBC8Flw" rel="nofollow">Task 5-Hypothetical Physical Mechanisms, WP503-Role of Ionisation, Influence of Solar Activity Cycles on Earth’s Climate,</a> Danish National Space Center, Sept. 14, 2006”</p>
<p>* Kirkby, Jasper, <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.1938" rel="nofollow">Cosmic rays and climate</a>Surveys in Geophysics 28, 333–375, doi: 10.1007/s10712-008-9030-6 (2007). (CERN-PH-EP/2008-005, 26 March 2) 42 page review<br />
The main experiments are:<br />
* Ion-induced nucleation:<br />
* Growth of CN into CCN:<br />
* Activation of CCN into cloud droplets:<br />
* Ice particle formation:<br />
* Collision efficiencies of aerosols and droplets:<br />
* Freezing mechanism of polar stratospheric clouds:</p>
<blockquote><p>“. . .The most persuasive palaeoclimatic evidence for<br />
solar/GCR forcing involves sub-orbital (centennial and millennial) climate variability over the Holocene, for which there is no established forcing agent at present. Increased GCR flux appears to be associated with a cooler climate, a southerly shift of the ITCZ (Inter Tropical Convergence Zone) and a weakening of the monsoon;. . .The satellite data suggest that decreased GCR flux is associated with decreased low altitude clouds, which are known to exert globally a net radiative cooling effect. Studies of Forbush decreases and solar proton events further suggest that decreased GCR flux may reduce high altitude (polar stratospheric) clouds in the Antarctic.. . .Real progress on the cosmic ray-climate question will require a physical mechanism to be established, or else ruled out. With new experiments planned or underway, such as the CLOUD facility at CERN, there are good prospects that we will have some firm answers to this question within the next few years. . . .”</p></blockquote>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan Cheetham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Aerosol report 2.3: (pg.4) Regarding IPCC estimates of aerosol forcing: &quot;These aerosol forcing assessments have been based largely on model calculations, with scientific understanding designated as “Medium - Low” and “Low” for the direct and indirect climate forcing, respectively.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Aerosol report 2.3: (pg.4) Regarding IPCC estimates of aerosol forcing: &#8220;These aerosol forcing assessments have been based largely on model calculations, with scientific understanding designated as “Medium &#8211; Low” and “Low” for the direct and indirect climate forcing, respectively.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John F. Pittman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John F. Pittman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been reading the Aerosol report due August 25th. It is quite strange in that the work indicates the large uncertainty and inabilities of models to correctly model the effect of aerosols yet repeatedly it states Page v line 37- “Models also provide critical links among different observations, and can simulate the past and project into the future.”  It repeats this claim several times while providing evidence to the opposite...that models cannot be expected to project future climate change. It also refuses to acknowledge that the match to the past is due to tuning (over-tuning actually IMO), yet has a discussion that this tuning actually occurred.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reading the Aerosol report due August 25th. It is quite strange in that the work indicates the large uncertainty and inabilities of models to correctly model the effect of aerosols yet repeatedly it states Page v line 37- “Models also provide critical links among different observations, and can simulate the past and project into the future.”  It repeats this claim several times while providing evidence to the opposite&#8230;that models cannot be expected to project future climate change. It also refuses to acknowledge that the match to the past is due to tuning (over-tuning actually IMO), yet has a discussion that this tuning actually occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Skywalker</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lucy Skywalker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thing is, we&#039;re tackling a creature here that plays by its own rules, which are not Scientific Method. It can read all the science comments and then just dismiss them. Perhaps that&#039;s what IPCC 1,2, and 3 were about: teaching the creature to look like science? Perhaps it needed IPCC 1 before it was clever enough to get away with removing the MWP? In ancient times and in stories, this creature has names. The Hydra needed to have all its 100 heads cut off at once and cauterized, or it would regrow more. So have we now got a drip feed to teach the creature how to phrase its jiggery-pokery better? 

I have no intention of being pessimistic. But IMHO it helps to try to name the creature accurately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, we&#8217;re tackling a creature here that plays by its own rules, which are not Scientific Method. It can read all the science comments and then just dismiss them. Perhaps that&#8217;s what IPCC 1,2, and 3 were about: teaching the creature to look like science? Perhaps it needed IPCC 1 before it was clever enough to get away with removing the MWP? In ancient times and in stories, this creature has names. The Hydra needed to have all its 100 heads cut off at once and cauterized, or it would regrow more. So have we now got a drip feed to teach the creature how to phrase its jiggery-pokery better? </p>
<p>I have no intention of being pessimistic. But IMHO it helps to try to name the creature accurately.</p>
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		<title>By: deadwood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deadwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[F Rasmin:

I have a BSc, MS and the completed course work and research for a not completed PhD. I understand the truth of your explanation, and I suspect you know the truth of my comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>F Rasmin:</p>
<p>I have a BSc, MS and the completed course work and research for a not completed PhD. I understand the truth of your explanation, and I suspect you know the truth of my comment.</p>
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		<title>By: F Rasmin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[F Rasmin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[deadwood (16:27:44) :Do not be phased by the lack of post-initials Ph.D. When I received a Bachelor of Science degree, I thought I was a scientist until I attempted to read a paper from &#039;Science&#039; and similar material. I could not get past the first line. I then did a Grad Diploma and managed to struggle through the abstract of a similar paper. I then did a Master of Science and took my time over that. This then enabled me to reach the end of science papers with some understanding. I then did a ph.D , but It was not until I did a professional Doctorate that I considered myself capable of constructive criticism of science papers.The ph.D degree is  restrictive in that it centres around  a single research topic. I have found that (here in Australia anyhow) people who go from an undergraduate degree,  to an honours degree, and then a ph.D are relatively ignorant without many further years in their field. How can they aquire a depth of knowledge in their early career? There are not enough hours in the day if they travel along the demanding work route of Bachelor, Honours, then ph.D.  North Americans have a saying ,&#039;Professor in the class, dumb on the bus&#039;! Substitute young ph.D  for professor! (My apologies to all older ph.Ds!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadwood (16:27:44) :Do not be phased by the lack of post-initials Ph.D. When I received a Bachelor of Science degree, I thought I was a scientist until I attempted to read a paper from &#8216;Science&#8217; and similar material. I could not get past the first line. I then did a Grad Diploma and managed to struggle through the abstract of a similar paper. I then did a Master of Science and took my time over that. This then enabled me to reach the end of science papers with some understanding. I then did a ph.D , but It was not until I did a professional Doctorate that I considered myself capable of constructive criticism of science papers.The ph.D degree is  restrictive in that it centres around  a single research topic. I have found that (here in Australia anyhow) people who go from an undergraduate degree,  to an honours degree, and then a ph.D are relatively ignorant without many further years in their field. How can they aquire a depth of knowledge in their early career? There are not enough hours in the day if they travel along the demanding work route of Bachelor, Honours, then ph.D.  North Americans have a saying ,&#8217;Professor in the class, dumb on the bus&#8217;! Substitute young ph.D  for professor! (My apologies to all older ph.Ds!)</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Sheldon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Sheldon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;fiddle factor&quot;

How does that relate to the &quot;finagle factor&quot; my father taught me about eons ago?

http://quietsafe.org/FinaglesLaw.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;fiddle factor&#8221;</p>
<p>How does that relate to the &#8220;finagle factor&#8221; my father taught me about eons ago?</p>
<p><a href="http://quietsafe.org/FinaglesLaw.html" rel="nofollow">http://quietsafe.org/FinaglesLaw.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clarification: Previous comment was on
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-2/public-review-draft/sap1-2-prd-all.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SAP 1.2 DRAFT 3 PUBLIC COMMENT&lt;/a&gt;
CCSP Synthesis and Assessment 1 Product 1.2
2 Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes - Due 5 September 2008.

Focus first on the &lt;a&gt;Aerosol report&lt;/a&gt; due August 25th]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification: Previous comment was on<br />
<a href="http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-2/public-review-draft/sap1-2-prd-all.pdf" rel="nofollow">SAP 1.2 DRAFT 3 PUBLIC COMMENT</a><br />
CCSP Synthesis and Assessment 1 Product 1.2<br />
2 Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes &#8211; Due 5 September 2008.</p>
<p>Focus first on the <a>Aerosol report</a> due August 25th</p>
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		<title>By: hyonmin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hyonmin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read most of the report.  I am drafting a response. Comments please.
CCSP SAP 2.3
line 2
&quot;tuned&#039; Aerosol forcing, this paper assumes that the output of the model has been &quot;corrected&quot; by the addition of varying weighted aerosols.  When the output is adjusted to match some target by including a variable labeled &quot;aerosol&quot; does not mean that an &quot;aerosol&quot; was the factor that should have been adjusted.  In fact the adjustment could have been labeled &quot;unknown&quot; adjustment to make the output look correct.
line 39
&quot;direct aerosol climate forcing is ...&quot; better than unknown but not know to a high degree of certainty.  Currently the weather in the next 5 days cannot be determined from any of the mentioned models with a high degree of certainty.
One possible reason for the inaccuracies of the models is that they do ot take into account cosmic rays.  I searched the whole document and found no refrence to cosmic radiation.  High energy cosmic particles have been shown to have a direct interaction with water vapor and various aerosols.  To leave this major contributor out of th &quot;product&quot; is unthinkable.  To talk about the Earth&#039;s radiation budget and to not mention these high energy particles suggests that your understanding of the interactions of these particles with the Earth&#039;s atmosphere is incomplete.
As an aside all satellite are protected as best as can be from these particles, so NASA does have knowledge in these areas with respect to hard science. Further NASA has a daily product that relates to these particles as they are influenced by solar radiation. 
Terry Bixler
Director of Software development Secom International]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read most of the report.  I am drafting a response. Comments please.<br />
CCSP SAP 2.3<br />
line 2<br />
&#8220;tuned&#8217; Aerosol forcing, this paper assumes that the output of the model has been &#8220;corrected&#8221; by the addition of varying weighted aerosols.  When the output is adjusted to match some target by including a variable labeled &#8220;aerosol&#8221; does not mean that an &#8220;aerosol&#8221; was the factor that should have been adjusted.  In fact the adjustment could have been labeled &#8220;unknown&#8221; adjustment to make the output look correct.<br />
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&#8220;direct aerosol climate forcing is &#8230;&#8221; better than unknown but not know to a high degree of certainty.  Currently the weather in the next 5 days cannot be determined from any of the mentioned models with a high degree of certainty.<br />
One possible reason for the inaccuracies of the models is that they do ot take into account cosmic rays.  I searched the whole document and found no refrence to cosmic radiation.  High energy cosmic particles have been shown to have a direct interaction with water vapor and various aerosols.  To leave this major contributor out of th &#8220;product&#8221; is unthinkable.  To talk about the Earth&#8217;s radiation budget and to not mention these high energy particles suggests that your understanding of the interactions of these particles with the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere is incomplete.<br />
As an aside all satellite are protected as best as can be from these particles, so NASA does have knowledge in these areas with respect to hard science. Further NASA has a daily product that relates to these particles as they are influenced by solar radiation.<br />
Terry Bixler<br />
Director of Software development Secom International</p>
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		<title>By: deadwood</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deadwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My earlier comment was in reference to the second report &quot;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My earlier comment was in reference to the second report &#8220;<b><i>Past Climate Variability and Change in the Arctic and at High Latitudes</i></b>&#8220;.</p>
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		<title>By: David L. Hagen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David L. Hagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Calling on Hockey Stick specialists to weigh in. This report references 
Mann et al (1998), 
Mann et al (1999), but not
Mann et al (2004) Corrigendum.

There also does not appear to be any reference to McIntyre &amp; McKitrick.

e.g., Note the following (with left line numbers):
&lt;blockquote&gt;2340     Figure 5.35 Updated composite proxy-data reconstruction of Northern 
2341 Hemisphere temperatures for most of the last 2000 years, compared with other published 
2342 reconstructions. Estimated confidence limits, 95%. All series have been smoothed with a 
2343 40-year lowpass filter. The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA), about 950–1200 AD. 
2344 The array of reconstructions demonstrate that the warming documented by instrumental 
2345 data during the past few decades exceeds that of any warm interval of the past 2000 
2346 years, including that estimated for the MCA. (Figure from Mann et al. (in press).&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The figure 5.35 and figure description is given later: &lt;blockquote&gt;Figure 5.35. Updated composite proxy-data reconstruction 
2774 of Northern Hemisphere
2775 temperatures for most of the last 2000 years, compared with other published reconstructions.
2776 Estimated confidence limits, 95%. All series have been smoothed with a 40-year lowpass filter.
2777 The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA), about 950–1200 AD. The array of reconstructions
2778 demonstrate that the warming documented by instrumental data during the past few decades
2779 exceeds that of any warm interval of the past 2000 years, including that estimated for the MCA.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

One may take further confidence from the following on page 2:
&lt;blockquote&gt;25 9.2 SUMMARY OF KEY FINDINGS
26 Chapter 5 Temperature and Precipitation
1 Statistically valid confidence levels often can be attached to scientific findings, but commonly require many
independent samples from a large population. Such a standard can be applied to paleoclimatic data in only some
cases, whereas in other cases the necessary archives or interpretative tools are not available. However, expert
judgment can also be used to assess confidence. The key findings here cannot all be evaluated rigorously using
parametric statistics, but on the basis of assessment by the authors, all of the key findings are at least “likely” as
used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (more than 66% chance of being correct); the authors
believe that the most of the findings are “very likely” (more than a 90% chance of being correct).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

See especially section: 
1728 5.4.9d Climate of the past millennium and the Little Ice Age]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling on Hockey Stick specialists to weigh in. This report references<br />
Mann et al (1998),<br />
Mann et al (1999), but not<br />
Mann et al (2004) Corrigendum.</p>
<p>There also does not appear to be any reference to McIntyre &amp; McKitrick.</p>
<p>e.g., Note the following (with left line numbers):</p>
<blockquote><p>2340     Figure 5.35 Updated composite proxy-data reconstruction of Northern<br />
2341 Hemisphere temperatures for most of the last 2000 years, compared with other published<br />
2342 reconstructions. Estimated confidence limits, 95%. All series have been smoothed with a<br />
2343 40-year lowpass filter. The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA), about 950–1200 AD.<br />
2344 The array of reconstructions demonstrate that the warming documented by instrumental<br />
2345 data during the past few decades exceeds that of any warm interval of the past 2000<br />
2346 years, including that estimated for the MCA. (Figure from Mann et al. (in press).&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The figure 5.35 and figure description is given later:<br />
<blockquote>Figure 5.35. Updated composite proxy-data reconstruction<br />
2774 of Northern Hemisphere<br />
2775 temperatures for most of the last 2000 years, compared with other published reconstructions.<br />
2776 Estimated confidence limits, 95%. All series have been smoothed with a 40-year lowpass filter.<br />
2777 The Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA), about 950–1200 AD. The array of reconstructions<br />
2778 demonstrate that the warming documented by instrumental data during the past few decades<br />
2779 exceeds that of any warm interval of the past 2000 years, including that estimated for the MCA.</p></blockquote>
<p>One may take further confidence from the following on page 2:</p>
<blockquote><p>25 9.2 SUMMARY OF KEY FINDINGS<br />
26 Chapter 5 Temperature and Precipitation<br />
1 Statistically valid confidence levels often can be attached to scientific findings, but commonly require many<br />
independent samples from a large population. Such a standard can be applied to paleoclimatic data in only some<br />
cases, whereas in other cases the necessary archives or interpretative tools are not available. However, expert<br />
judgment can also be used to assess confidence. The key findings here cannot all be evaluated rigorously using<br />
parametric statistics, but on the basis of assessment by the authors, all of the key findings are at least “likely” as<br />
used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (more than 66% chance of being correct); the authors<br />
believe that the most of the findings are “very likely” (more than a 90% chance of being correct).</p></blockquote>
<p>See especially section:<br />
1728 5.4.9d Climate of the past millennium and the Little Ice Age</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Brozyna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon Brozyna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The depressing thing about this is the realization that this (the CCSP) is a government (politically) mandated organization, established by Congress. I suppose that this was our response to the international movement that also  ultimately lead to the creation of UNEP and the IPPC.  I glanced at the two documents and it appears that they are taking the lead from the IPCC. In fact, the CCSP has released another document, &lt;i&gt;OUR CHANGING PLANET
The U.S. Climate Change Science Program for Fiscal Year 2009,&lt;/i&gt; where, in the introduction, they state, &quot;Research also indicates that the human influence on the climate system is expected to increase.&quot; The &quot;research&quot; they cite? The Summary for Policymakers, a thoroughly political document.

The whole focus of this multidecade, multinational effort has warped science with its starting fundamental premise that mankind is changing the global climate. Such a prejudicial assumption then colors all the work that follows. 

It is said that one man &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; make a difference. In this case, I suppose that that one man would be the man behind the scenes, Maurice Strong, who said in 1990, “What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?&quot; and  &quot;In order to save the planet, the group decides:  Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?  Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about?”

No, it&#039;s not some nefarious hidden conspiracy. Just a confluence of interests (and grant money) that have brought us to this sad state of affairs. The science should be studying how all the factors (yes, even the sun) affect the climate, how they interact, and how to adjust to possible changes (warmer or cooler). There is no single factor that results in real climate change. Just as AGW proponents dismiss Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) as a significant factor in climate change, so too are changes in CO2 levels not a significant factor in climate change. Changes are wrought by a sum of a combination of factors from TSI, Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR), solar and earth magnetic fields,  changes in ocean temperatures and currents, changes in cloud cover and albedo, etc.

Climatology needs to move beyond being colored by political suggestions and beliefs and reassert the hallmark of science — skepticism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The depressing thing about this is the realization that this (the CCSP) is a government (politically) mandated organization, established by Congress. I suppose that this was our response to the international movement that also  ultimately lead to the creation of UNEP and the IPPC.  I glanced at the two documents and it appears that they are taking the lead from the IPCC. In fact, the CCSP has released another document, <i>OUR CHANGING PLANET<br />
The U.S. Climate Change Science Program for Fiscal Year 2009,</i> where, in the introduction, they state, &#8220;Research also indicates that the human influence on the climate system is expected to increase.&#8221; The &#8220;research&#8221; they cite? The Summary for Policymakers, a thoroughly political document.</p>
<p>The whole focus of this multidecade, multinational effort has warped science with its starting fundamental premise that mankind is changing the global climate. Such a prejudicial assumption then colors all the work that follows. </p>
<p>It is said that one man <i>can</i> make a difference. In this case, I suppose that that one man would be the man behind the scenes, Maurice Strong, who said in 1990, “What if a small group of these world leaders were to conclude the principal risk to the earth comes from the actions of the rich countries?&#8221; and  &#8220;In order to save the planet, the group decides:  Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse?  Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about?”</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not some nefarious hidden conspiracy. Just a confluence of interests (and grant money) that have brought us to this sad state of affairs. The science should be studying how all the factors (yes, even the sun) affect the climate, how they interact, and how to adjust to possible changes (warmer or cooler). There is no single factor that results in real climate change. Just as AGW proponents dismiss Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) as a significant factor in climate change, so too are changes in CO2 levels not a significant factor in climate change. Changes are wrought by a sum of a combination of factors from TSI, Galactic Cosmic Rays (GCR), solar and earth magnetic fields,  changes in ocean temperatures and currents, changes in cloud cover and albedo, etc.</p>
<p>Climatology needs to move beyond being colored by political suggestions and beliefs and reassert the hallmark of science — skepticism.</p>
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