Comments on: Cryosphere Today Makes Changes – Improves product, drops Gore comment

By: John Marshall

John Marshall — Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:04:31 +0000

We have only 30 years hard data for events that are influenced by cycles that are up to 120,000 years long. So we are low on the data front. But we do have navel logs from the US navy, going back 200 years (?) and logs from the Royal Navy going back even further. They are accurate though do not have much coverage. We do know that Roald Amundsen sailed the NW passage in 1903 and reported no ice. We also know that the Medieval Warm Period, when temperatures were higher than todays, there must have been less summer ice than today. None of the previous low ice levels caused any climatic tipping point. The fact that polar bears are still in healthy numbers shows that low ice conditions are no bar to their survival.

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By: Ric Werme

Ric Werme — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:38:35 +0000

Micajah (20:44:16) :

“Whatever it was, the Al Gore bit was finally gone when I checked Cryosphere Today this morning.”

Oops – he made it on TV tonight at the Obamafest.

Our local TV station’s reporter made a slip of the tongue and referred to him as “former president Al Gore.” Sigh.

By: Micajah

Micajah — Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:44:16 +0000

Whatever it was, the Al Gore bit was finally gone when I checked Cryosphere Today this morning.

By: Ric Werme

Ric Werme — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:30:04 +0000

Micajah (13:58:21) :

Tried “shift” plus “refresh” and tried Microsoft’s “control” plus “f5″. I can see it downloading multiple files as it refreshes everything — but Al Gore is still there.

Bummer. He leaves me alone now. You might be dealing with a caching issue on an intermediate system that is returning stale data from its cache.

You might try adding a “?” to the end of the URL. That generally has no impact on reading a page, but systems along the way will see a different URL or that it’s a form submission to the server and let it through.

I.e. try http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/?

By: Neven

Neven — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:17:29 +0000

Mr. Watts, I visit your site and ClimateAudit regularly because unlike some ‘sceptics/deniers’ (such as Fred Singer, Christopher Monckton or Tim Ball) I think you are honest in your endeavours to criticize mainstream thinking concerning the AGW-theory.

Therefore I’d like to know what you make of the apparently declining trend in Arctic ice cover. I’m not implying that it’s proof that AGW is taking place, but it is slightly disconcerting IMO.

By: Smokey

Smokey — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:26:10 +0000

Here, compare this one:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png

With this one, side by side:

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20080826_Figure2.png

[Look close.]

By: Smokey

Smokey — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:23:04 +0000

Thanks, Nevin, for those graphics. I opened a new window for both sea ice graphs in the page to compare them, and noticed that one curved down at a sharper angle than the other, during the same time period. Someone is obviously diddling with the graphs. Oh, and: YAY! Post #100! REPLY: I looked at both of these in detail today, thinking the same thing, and after magnifying them, decided they were showing the same thing, but looked different due to scale and line smoothing differences. - Anthony

By: Neven

Neven — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:20:36 +0000

For those of you that are interested in the sea ice:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

By: Evan Jones

Evan Jones — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:12:31 +0000

Fernando: Well put.

By: statePoet1775

statePoet1775 — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:13:16 +0000

“You’re not the only one trying to get Al Gore to melt away.”

Unless Al has lost weight, then his and 65% of the American people’s bodies (including mine) are betting on cooler weather.

By: jeez

jeez — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:38:25 +0000

You’re not the only one trying to get Al Gore to melt away.

By: Micajah

Micajah — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:58:21 +0000

Tried “shift” plus “refresh” and tried Microsoft’s “control” plus “f5″. I can see it downloading multiple files as it refreshes everything — but Al Gore is still there. Thanks for the tip — I had never heard of either the shift or the control keys being used to force a refresh that is supposed to bypass the cache. I’m sure the Al Gore bit will melt away eventually, since it has for you and others.

By: Micajah

Micajah — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:17:35 +0000

Oh, well. I cleared my “cache” by deleting temporary files, just as the instructions for IE7 say; and I clicked to “refresh”; but this is still there:
You’ve heard Al Gore comment that the “Earth has a fever”? It may also have major tooth decay. The 40Mb animation at the le ft shows the dramatic loss of multiyear sea ice over the past year. Multiyear sea ice is old er and generally thicker ice – sea ice that has survived at least one melt season (shown in brighter white).

Maybe I should just wait for it to melt away.

Reply: Hold down the Shift key and click refresh~charles the moderator

By: John Austin

John Austin — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:11:19 +0000

The Gore comment is still there.

REPLY: No it’s gone, you have a cache issue with your browser of some sorts I think.