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	<title>Comments on: AMS Linking Weather Events to Climate Change</title>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/19/ams-linking-weather-events-to-climate-change/#comment-33151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barbara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope I&#039;m not being too cynical on this, but there seems to be a semantic rewriting of terms going on here.
It seems to me that, much in the same way as one immediately gets labelled &quot;non-scientist&quot; if one has any doubts about the AGM argument as currently expressed through politicians and the mass media, &quot;weather&quot; has become anything which is surplus to requirements on that front too.

New AGM-approved definitions:
SCIENTIST.
Old definition: someone with a science background
New definition: anyone who agrees with me

WEATHER.
Old definition: interesting observable and measurable atmospheric phenomena
New definition: any event which doesn&#039;t support my argument]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I&#8217;m not being too cynical on this, but there seems to be a semantic rewriting of terms going on here.<br />
It seems to me that, much in the same way as one immediately gets labelled &#8220;non-scientist&#8221; if one has any doubts about the AGM argument as currently expressed through politicians and the mass media, &#8220;weather&#8221; has become anything which is surplus to requirements on that front too.</p>
<p>New AGM-approved definitions:<br />
SCIENTIST.<br />
Old definition: someone with a science background<br />
New definition: anyone who agrees with me</p>
<p>WEATHER.<br />
Old definition: interesting observable and measurable atmospheric phenomena<br />
New definition: any event which doesn&#8217;t support my argument</p>
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		<title>By: terry p</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/19/ams-linking-weather-events-to-climate-change/#comment-32919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terry p]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my suggestion: completely skip the first 10-15 pages or so. the rest of the document is pretty ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my suggestion: completely skip the first 10-15 pages or so. the rest of the document is pretty ok.</p>
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		<title>By: terry p</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/19/ams-linking-weather-events-to-climate-change/#comment-32918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terry p]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#039;ve skimmed through it. It&#039;s a good assessment of the weather from last year but I didn&#039;t see too much in terms of &quot;this weather event was caused by human caused climate change.&quot;

At least not explicitly stated, other than in the first couple pages where it talks about CO2 concentration and the graphic Anthony has provided for us.

interestingly enough there&#039;s a lot in here for skeptics, lukewarmers, and other rational (i.e. not nuts!) believers/non-believers  to use if they so choose. If someone tells you wildfires in the US are increasing due to AGW, well, on page S118 there&#039;s a nice graph that shows they&#039;re really not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ve skimmed through it. It&#8217;s a good assessment of the weather from last year but I didn&#8217;t see too much in terms of &#8220;this weather event was caused by human caused climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p>At least not explicitly stated, other than in the first couple pages where it talks about CO2 concentration and the graphic Anthony has provided for us.</p>
<p>interestingly enough there&#8217;s a lot in here for skeptics, lukewarmers, and other rational (i.e. not nuts!) believers/non-believers  to use if they so choose. If someone tells you wildfires in the US are increasing due to AGW, well, on page S118 there&#8217;s a nice graph that shows they&#8217;re really not.</p>
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		<title>By: moptop</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/19/ams-linking-weather-events-to-climate-change/#comment-32762</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they had one of the complete lists of &quot;weather anomolies&quot; going back about 300 years, as accurate as the one for this year, or even for a century, it would be quite an interesting document, but this? It is nothing more than propaganda. The underlying assumption is that we had the climate of &quot;Camelot&quot;, where winter &quot;exits March the second on the dot, and Summer always lingers through September...&quot; before we screwed it up, just like Adam and Eve, so anything that seems unusual, is, by definition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they had one of the complete lists of &#8220;weather anomolies&#8221; going back about 300 years, as accurate as the one for this year, or even for a century, it would be quite an interesting document, but this? It is nothing more than propaganda. The underlying assumption is that we had the climate of &#8220;Camelot&#8221;, where winter &#8220;exits March the second on the dot, and Summer always lingers through September&#8230;&#8221; before we screwed it up, just like Adam and Eve, so anything that seems unusual, is, by definition.</p>
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		<title>By: terry</title>
		<link>http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/08/19/ams-linking-weather-events-to-climate-change/#comment-32739</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[terry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this has been on my coffee table for a week---I guess I should read it.

I don&#039;t recall last years being so explicit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this has been on my coffee table for a week&#8212;I guess I should read it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall last years being so explicit.</p>
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		<title>By: statePoet1775</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[statePoet1775]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sed -f Pam s/liberal/libertarian/ &gt; newpam]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sed -f Pam s/liberal/libertarian/ &gt; newpam</p>
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		<title>By: Dan McCune</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan McCune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WEATHER, n. The climate of the hour. A permanent topic of conversation among persons whom it does not interest, but who have inherited the tendency to chatter about it from naked arboreal ancestors whom it keenly concerned.
	 - Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914),
	US author, humorist - The Devils Dictionary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WEATHER, n. The climate of the hour. A permanent topic of conversation among persons whom it does not interest, but who have inherited the tendency to chatter about it from naked arboreal ancestors whom it keenly concerned.<br />
	 &#8211; Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914),<br />
	US author, humorist &#8211; The Devils Dictionary.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jewett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon Jewett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pierre,

I believe that the anecdotes presented here are important.  Anecdotes are useful to counter the use of opposite anecdotes in the political debate that is raging quite apart from the serious scientific debate.  There is infinitely more at stake than meets the eye when observing the current debates.

To illustrate how important the political debate over AGW is, I would point out some of the political debates from the past.

Hole in the Ozone.
Recent science has shown that the hole is not the result of chlorofluorocarbons.  Yet tens of millions perhaps billions of dollars were wasted shifting to new refrigerants.

The spotted owl.
It turns out that it was not logging that threatened the extinction of the spotted owl, but competition from a larger, more aggressive owl.  Some 150,000 jobs were lost in communities that had no alternate sources of income. (There were small communities that depended on logging for their existence.)  People lost their homes, families were destroyed: a humanitarian disaster on the scope of Hurricane Katrina caused by a cruel, uncaring, and callous bureaucracy. When a whole group of people are crushed by their government, it’s no wonder they cling to their bibles and their guns.

DDT
First discovered about 1939, the inventor got a Nobel Prize in 1949 (?) for saving an estimated 500 million lives.  It is the most effective weapon against malaria.  DDT was banned by EPA administrator William Ruckelshaus without a scientific debate and the ban became more or less world wide.  Malaria kills about one million people in Africa a year and perhaps another two million elsewhere.  Most of the people that have died were poor and because of the way malaria kills, they were mostly women and children.  An anti-malaria program sponsored by the Bush Administration in Tanzania has proven that the judicious use of mosquito nets and DDT (Not wide spread spraying- just on the inside and outside walls of houses.) will reduce the infection rate by 90%.  Some 40 to 120 million people died painfully and needlessly because DDT was banned.  Hitler and the Nazis “only” killed 12.5 million (common number) to 25 million.

In the great scheme of things, the political debate is as important, or even more important than the scientific debate.

Regards,

Steamboat Jack]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre,</p>
<p>I believe that the anecdotes presented here are important.  Anecdotes are useful to counter the use of opposite anecdotes in the political debate that is raging quite apart from the serious scientific debate.  There is infinitely more at stake than meets the eye when observing the current debates.</p>
<p>To illustrate how important the political debate over AGW is, I would point out some of the political debates from the past.</p>
<p>Hole in the Ozone.<br />
Recent science has shown that the hole is not the result of chlorofluorocarbons.  Yet tens of millions perhaps billions of dollars were wasted shifting to new refrigerants.</p>
<p>The spotted owl.<br />
It turns out that it was not logging that threatened the extinction of the spotted owl, but competition from a larger, more aggressive owl.  Some 150,000 jobs were lost in communities that had no alternate sources of income. (There were small communities that depended on logging for their existence.)  People lost their homes, families were destroyed: a humanitarian disaster on the scope of Hurricane Katrina caused by a cruel, uncaring, and callous bureaucracy. When a whole group of people are crushed by their government, it’s no wonder they cling to their bibles and their guns.</p>
<p>DDT<br />
First discovered about 1939, the inventor got a Nobel Prize in 1949 (?) for saving an estimated 500 million lives.  It is the most effective weapon against malaria.  DDT was banned by EPA administrator William Ruckelshaus without a scientific debate and the ban became more or less world wide.  Malaria kills about one million people in Africa a year and perhaps another two million elsewhere.  Most of the people that have died were poor and because of the way malaria kills, they were mostly women and children.  An anti-malaria program sponsored by the Bush Administration in Tanzania has proven that the judicious use of mosquito nets and DDT (Not wide spread spraying- just on the inside and outside walls of houses.) will reduce the infection rate by 90%.  Some 40 to 120 million people died painfully and needlessly because DDT was banned.  Hitler and the Nazis “only” killed 12.5 million (common number) to 25 million.</p>
<p>In the great scheme of things, the political debate is as important, or even more important than the scientific debate.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Steamboat Jack</p>
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		<title>By: Syl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Syl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, the map is bogus. No mention of the snowfall in Baghdad. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the map is bogus. No mention of the snowfall in Baghdad. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pamela Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am liberal as in a believer in gay marriage, Bible as metaphor, public education, separation of church and state, taking better care of our homeless, old, and disabled, and I am quite possibly over-educated.  The list goes on.  But I also don&#039;t trust political statements any more than I trust religious statements.  And I also believe that related observations that can be experimentally repeated should be the basis for theoretical advancement.  The CO2 models were designed to eventually be used as predictors of future climate based on past events.  That is an experimental design used to advance the theory of AGW.  The experiment has not proven the theory, therefore we need to look for another cause of long term trends in weather, IE climate.

There.  A liberal blogger has disagreed with AGW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am liberal as in a believer in gay marriage, Bible as metaphor, public education, separation of church and state, taking better care of our homeless, old, and disabled, and I am quite possibly over-educated.  The list goes on.  But I also don&#8217;t trust political statements any more than I trust religious statements.  And I also believe that related observations that can be experimentally repeated should be the basis for theoretical advancement.  The CO2 models were designed to eventually be used as predictors of future climate based on past events.  That is an experimental design used to advance the theory of AGW.  The experiment has not proven the theory, therefore we need to look for another cause of long term trends in weather, IE climate.</p>
<p>There.  A liberal blogger has disagreed with AGW.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Cobb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Cobb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AGWers point to &quot;weather anomalies&quot; all the time as so-called proof of &quot;climate change&quot; (put in quotes because they always conveniently leave out the man-made aspect which is always assumed as fact).  Their much hoped for ice-free NP doesn&#039;t appear to be happening, but if it were, just imagine the doom-mongering and hysteria we&#039;d be hearing from the AGW crowd.  The big difference that tends to get overlooked is that when the AGWers say the planet is heating up (which they&#039;re wrong about now), it&#039;s always catastrophic, and unprecedented, PLUS it&#039;s man&#039;s fault, and we must spend trillions of dollars &quot;mitigating climate change&quot;, passing laws, and of course, keeping the anti-science AGW gravy train rolling along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGWers point to &#8220;weather anomalies&#8221; all the time as so-called proof of &#8220;climate change&#8221; (put in quotes because they always conveniently leave out the man-made aspect which is always assumed as fact).  Their much hoped for ice-free NP doesn&#8217;t appear to be happening, but if it were, just imagine the doom-mongering and hysteria we&#8217;d be hearing from the AGW crowd.  The big difference that tends to get overlooked is that when the AGWers say the planet is heating up (which they&#8217;re wrong about now), it&#8217;s always catastrophic, and unprecedented, PLUS it&#8217;s man&#8217;s fault, and we must spend trillions of dollars &#8220;mitigating climate change&#8221;, passing laws, and of course, keeping the anti-science AGW gravy train rolling along.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t believe &quot;climate anomaly&quot; is an accurate term.  Hurricanes, heat waves, snow, cold waves, rain and drought all seem to be part of the &quot;climate.&quot;  We may have weather that is above or below average, but an &quot;average&quot; means that there are periods above and below that magic number.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe &#8220;climate anomaly&#8221; is an accurate term.  Hurricanes, heat waves, snow, cold waves, rain and drought all seem to be part of the &#8220;climate.&#8221;  We may have weather that is above or below average, but an &#8220;average&#8221; means that there are periods above and below that magic number.</p>
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		<title>By: alexjc38</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alexjc38]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about extreme weather events, I was recently leafing through the most recent edition of computer mag PC Advisor here in the UK, and found an article entitled Green Computing. The authors write: &quot;We know... cataclysmic climatic events - such as Hurricane Katrina, Burma&#039;s Cyclone Nargis, and the recent floods in China - are increasing in frequency.&quot;

Except... they&#039;re not. But that meme still seems to be replicating happily, in odd corners of the media.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about extreme weather events, I was recently leafing through the most recent edition of computer mag PC Advisor here in the UK, and found an article entitled Green Computing. The authors write: &#8220;We know&#8230; cataclysmic climatic events &#8211; such as Hurricane Katrina, Burma&#8217;s Cyclone Nargis, and the recent floods in China &#8211; are increasing in frequency.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except&#8230; they&#8217;re not. But that meme still seems to be replicating happily, in odd corners of the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It had actually been concern about &#039;the sudden variations in the behaviour of the seasons&#039; to which the climate seemed &#039;more and more subject&#039;, and about possible effects on agricultural production and human health, that had led to the setting up of some of the first nation-wide networks of meteorological observations from 1775 onwards.&quot;

page 11 of Climate History and the Modern World by Lamb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It had actually been concern about &#8216;the sudden variations in the behaviour of the seasons&#8217; to which the climate seemed &#8216;more and more subject&#8217;, and about possible effects on agricultural production and human health, that had led to the setting up of some of the first nation-wide networks of meteorological observations from 1775 onwards.&#8221;</p>
<p>page 11 of Climate History and the Modern World by Lamb.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Climate is like &quot;every person in the world has an average 1 testicle&quot;. Weather is sometimes you have none, sometimes you have 2. (like weather some more enjoyable than the other). In fact &quot;climate&quot; does not exist in reality. It is only an expression of the average conditions ie the extremes are real, the average a mathematical artefact.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Climate is like &#8220;every person in the world has an average 1 testicle&#8221;. Weather is sometimes you have none, sometimes you have 2. (like weather some more enjoyable than the other). In fact &#8220;climate&#8221; does not exist in reality. It is only an expression of the average conditions ie the extremes are real, the average a mathematical artefact.</p>
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