Either way congratulations to both Dr. Tans and Anthony for providing a clear and balanced resolution of this problem.

Regarding “the raw data is avaliable” …in the past I’ve seen it posted that the files are too large to download on a normal PC.
I think I’ll go ask if the links now to the raw data are any better / different..
Unless anyone here knows better of course.

Stan, I think you’re on to something. When a scientist starts mentioning “carbon markets” a red flag should go up immediately. Where is the grant money coming from and going to?

REPLY: Sorry you had to read so much, try this one -

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/mauna-loa-to-improve-the-co2-data/

Perhaps someone could start a campaign to gather donations so that Dr Tan can purchase some better equipment so this doesn’t happen again. We’re not talking about millions of dollars here.

Yeah, but a single lawsuit involving a large power plant and the CO2 market will be millions, and any doubt cast upon a questionable data source could make for some interesting times.

Jim Hansen seems to have congress’ ear, he’d be a good one to help free up federal (i.e. our) money for upgrades and duplication.

Working at a federal govt. scientific facility (wxsat operations), we are funded from a federal budget and we have to submit a budget request prior to new bugets being approved. He may not be allowed to ‘lobby’ for additional support, but I would think they could request the funds for up-to-date systems (especially computers, as cheap as they are today) with any annual budget request. You don’t get it if you don’t request it. I wouldn’t think a facility like that would be funded through annual grants from the NSF (National Science Foundation) or the like. Seems odd…

Jeff K

Boulder by way of Berkeley. Bio:

http://www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap2-2/sap2-2prospectus-final-tans.htm

This is BS and we are letting them off way too easy. Dr Tan states “There are three independent backups of the MLO record: We also take
flask samples at MLO analyzed here in Boulder, and at Scripps Ralph
Keeling is continuing the record his father started with both continuous
analyzer measurements as well as flask samples taken at MLO and analyzed
at Scripps.”

If this is true then why would they ever have missed data. Simply take the flasks and rerun them for the CO2 reading and keep the record whole and intact, period. No more questionable algorithms and smoothings, no more BS, just the data. If it causes more work for them too bad so sad, if equipment I work on goes down I know I’ll have some long days and nights ahead.

This should be insisted on.

Hum

” See “where to measure”on my pages:
http://www.ferdinand-engelbeen.be/klimaat/co2_measurements.html ”

I had a quick look at that site – a valuable contribution to these discussions, especially using the various isotope ratios to establish origin.

Will study it more carefully